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Macphenson:
Of course its welcomed. Since the constitution recognised them as a religion in the country.

I once said it that those of them in the traditional religion are dulling. They should be going on their own pilgrimage probably in India. Since govt sponsors Christians and Muslims to pilgrimage.

Interestingly, they may have the largest members since a lot of Christians and Muslims codedly patronise them.

No o, they will not be able to go on Pilgrimage with their full chest........ pastor, imam, evangelist, alfa....

Napata77:
2nd proposal

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/38/7a/a7/387aa7939b2a538c15cf9eb6b8d0e467.jpg


3rd proposal

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/a5/05/44a505ba2a68ecd303071a50e1899636.jpg

A new scam in the pipleine?? another Ghana scam??

LordReed:
So the way you see how superior a story is by how many people know it? LoLz.

What are your indices?

I know say Story wey dem tell you for your Origin here na Myth to you

But story wey the names no relate with anybody around here na Original ?

CodeTemplarr:
Traditional or satanic? It means they are all the same behind the scenes.

Is this a joke?

Well.. you can't criticize them.

There is national mosque for muslim faithfuls in Abuja..

There is national Christian centre for Christian faithfuls in Abuja.

The remaining ones can decide to set up centres in Abuja.

makjo900:
In your own religion, what unity do you have? Ya'll are so delu.ded and judgmental towards others but you don't want your case to be judge

Any Christian priest from any part of Nigeria can be invited to any part of Nigeria, you can't say same for yours. I hope this answers your question?

You have a good taste of quality architecture

RandomFellow:
I think the 3rd pics is finer, and also easier to maintain. Just let each corner represent different elements - Fire, water, earth and wind. The center will be a temple.

The design lacks concept that depicts traditional religion in Africa, it's just a play of form

Image123:
What are your indices?

I don't judge mythologies to be superior or inferior. They are all stories of how our forebears saw the world,

Anyone is good enough. Freedom of religion. All those so called religious leaders are steep into voodoo. From Islam to Christianity they all visit trado priests/priestess and people others knowledgeable in the craft for help and protection; yet they 'Hippocritically ' speak against it in public.

DiamondsAreFore:
The government should stay out of religion and leave the citizens to practice whatever each individual feels like they want for themselves.

Wether it is the so called national mosque or the national Christian Centre or this new proposed centre of traditional worship are all avenues to waste money and enrich corrupt politicians, just like the sponsoring of pilgrimages and other such nonsense.

Moreover, the building of a traditional worship centre for all Nigerian traditionalists is such a fundamentally stupid idea, that it shows how unintelligent and lacking in ideas the current administration is.

You are the one who is unintelligent. Perfectly happy to have invader cathedral and mosques, but frown on your own ancestral religion.

YOU don't get to decide what is a stupid idea. YOU ASK THE TRADITIONALISTS. If they say yes, as I'm 100% sure they will, we build it.

If you actually knew anything about ATR, you would know it is essentially ONE RELIGION with different denominations like you have in your foreign invader religions.

There are many different muslim and christian denominations in Nigeria. But they all gather in the National Cathedral and National Mosque in Abuja to worship, regardless.

Traditional religionists will do the same. No be only una get sense.

Dead on arrival.

yosmen:
The design lacks concept that depicts traditional religion in Africa, it's just a play of form

Wow. You are a hard man to please. Perhaps these classical temple designs reminiscent of ancient Benin, Nubia and Kemet may meet your standards a bit more?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fb/ef/f2/fbeff2259499d122e351910b0d61f2ac.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/cf/a4/6ecfa4b05c8f0fad0dd3df86c54d4119.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/f7/d1/e6f7d163b2a13ce45e849d52bc49f007.jpg

Tobokongs:
If I see where dem dey do church revival, I go.

If I see where dem dey do Sunnah prayer and Wudhu ablution, I enter.

If I see where dem carry masquerade, I join.

Religion is not my problem.

Good man. Wise man

DukeNija:
You failed to address the colossal failure of your gods in protecting their deluded worshippers. How can you serve a god you carved yourself? There’s a saying in igboland “if the gods demand too much of us, we’ll show them the tree they were hewn from”. Meaning we made them so they can’t become overbearing.
How can you serve gods with eyes yet blind, with ears can’t hear and with mouth that can’t speak?
Are you blind like your gods to see what Jesus has done in the past? How he built the world? Who holds the skys in the Heavens? Who keeps the waters at bay? Who makes the Sun provide light to all the planets? Who made the moon and cluster of stars in the sky?
Stop wallowing in darkness, and accept the light of Jesus. If you die today, your man-made gods won’t save you, because they couldn’t save themselves.

Look at this mumu.

Why couldn't 'Jesus' save you from defeat by Nigeria in 1967-70?

Why haven't you thrown away your bible after 'Jesus' failed to create Biafra for you or a post-British Nigerian EL-DORADO?

DO YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE THE BRITISH CAME WITH 'JESUS', WE DID NOT BUILD FRONT DOORS TO OUR HOUSES?

Not even the large houses of the nobility?

Why?

Because THEFT was unknown.

GO AND ASK YOUR ELDERS IF YOU DON'T KNOW.

Today with ''JESUS AND MUHAMMAD IN CHARGE'', can you build a house without barbed wire high fencing with CCTV and iron gates, plus iron bars on your windows?

Here is a report by the UK Guardian on the Ancient Benin Kingdom from around the 14th century, Just to show you that you have been MISEDUCATED about your past.

...............


''Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”..... Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

Benin City, 17th Century
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In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.


African fractals

Benin City’s planning and design was done according to careful rules of symmetry, proportionality and repetition now known as fractal design. The mathematician Ron Eglash, author of African Fractals – which examines the patterns underpinning architecture, art and design in many parts of Africa – notes that the city and its surrounding villages were purposely laid out to form perfect fractals, with similar shapes repeated in the rooms of each house, and the house itself, and the clusters of houses in the village in mathematically predictable patterns.

As he puts it: “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”

At the centre of the city stood the king’s court, from which extended 30 very straight, broad streets, each about 120-ft wide. These main streets, which ran at right angles to each other, had underground drainage made of a sunken impluvium with an outlet to carry away storm water. Many narrower side and intersecting streets extended off them....

“Houses are built alongside the streets in good order, the one close to the other,” writes the 17th-century Dutch visitor Olfert Dapper. “Adorned with gables and steps … they are usually broad with long galleries inside, especially so in the case of the houses of the nobility, and divided into many rooms which are separated by walls made of red clay, very well erected.”

Dapper adds that wealthy residents kept these walls “as shiny and smooth by washing and rubbing as any wall in Holland can be made with chalk, and they are like mirrors. The upper storeys are made of the same sort of clay. Moreover, every house is provided with a well for the supply of fresh water”.


https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

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For some reason, people seem to think that anything that has the word "national" in its name is owned or was built by government. That's obviously not true (government doesn't own the National Association of Nigerian Students, for example).

The National Mosque and the National Christian Center are not owned, neither were they built by government.

President Shehu Shagari began putting up structures in Abuja in the early 1980s and it looked like he wanted to move the Federal Government to Abuja before the end of his tenure.

Prominent Muslims got together and decided that they needed to have a central worship center in Abuja. They created a fund raising committee to raise money for the project. The committee was chaired by Sir Siddiq Abubakar, who was the Sultan of Sokoto at the time. Money was raised and AIM Consult was selected as the contractor to design the mosque. The National Mosque, Abuja was thus opened in 1984.


Christians began talking about building a National Christian Center in Abuja. They got a piece of land opposite the National Mosque in 1989, but the project was abandoned for many years.

They began talking about reviving the project in 1999 and fund raising began.

The National Christian Center was opened in 2005 and the ceremony coincided with Nigeria's independence anniversary.

I remember the ceremony because President Obasanjo said something that had been on my mind for a while.

Nigeria built a lot of structures during the oil boom in the 1970s. However, by the 1990s, the country did not have money to maintain them properly. I remember that the central air condition at the National Theater in Lagos was not working.

At the opening of the National Christian Center, President Obasanjo told the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) that they needed to plan for money for maintenance. He said, for example, what would happen if the air condition system had a fault? He asked if they would have the money to repair it.

The altar/stage at the National Christian Center rotates and President Obasanjo asked CAN how they would be able to afford to fix it if it developed a fault.

These structures were not built by government.

LordReed:
I don't judge mythologies to be superior or inferior. They are all stories of how our forebears saw the world,

Judge is a strong and slippery word in my clime, i will use rate. i rate stories differently and indeed find some superior to others. Anything wrong with rating?

Image123:
Judge is a strong and slippery word in my clime, i will use rate. i rate stories differently and indeed find some superior to others. Anything wrong with rating?

I don't rate stories to be superior or inferior. I categorise then based on what type of story they are telling. If for example it's a funny story, then it would be by which I find funnier. It doesn't mean it is a superior story because I found it more entertaining, that's just my preference. Some other persons might not find it as funny as I did and that is fine.

Rating is fine but to condemn one just because you favour another is just sad.

LordReed:
I don't rate stories to be superior or inferior. I categorise then based on what type of story they are telling. If for example it's a funny story, then it would be by which I find funnier. It doesn't mean it is a superior story because I found it more entertaining, that's just my preference. Some other persons might not find it as funny as I did and that is fine.

Rating is fine but to condemn one just because you favour another is just sad.

Similar take here, really. i like the comparative without being comparative.

naptu2:
For some reason, people seem to think that anything that has the word "national" in its name is owned or was built by government. That's obviously not true (government doesn't own the National Association of Nigerian Students, for example).

The National Mosque and the National Christian Center are not owned, neither were they built by government.

President Shehu Shagari began putting up structures in Abuja in the early 1980s and it looked like he wanted to move the Federal Government to Abuja before the end of his tenure.

Prominent Muslims got together and decided that they needed to have a central worship center in Abuja. They created a fund raising committee to raise money for the project. The committee was chaired by Sir Siddiq Abubakar, who was the Sultan of Sokoto at the time. Money was raised and AIM Consult was selected as the contractor to design the mosque. The National Mosque, Abuja was thus opened in 1984.


Christians began talking about building a National Christian Center in Abuja. They got a piece of land opposite the National Mosque in 1989, but the project was abandoned for many years.

They began talking about reviving the project in 1999 and fund raising began.

The National Christian Center was opened in 2005 and the ceremony coincided with Nigeria's independence anniversary.

I remember the ceremony because President Obasanjo said something that had been on my mind for a while.

Nigeria built a lot of structures during the oil boom in the 1970s. However, by the 1990s, the country did not have money to maintain them properly. I remember that the central air condition at the National Theater in Lagos was not working.

At the opening of the National Christian Center, President Obasanjo told the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) that they needed to plan for money for maintenance. He said, for example, what would happen if the air condition system had a fault? He asked if they would have the money to repair it.

The altar/stage at the National Christian Center rotates and President Obasanjo asked CAN how they would be able to afford to fix it if it developed a fault.

These structures were not built by government.

Sorry but those are foreign invaders’ religions.

Why should govt spend a single kobo on them?

Our traditional religion is very different.

We must honour and reconnect officially with our ancestral heritage, or we are still a colonised people.

We are not English.

We are not Arabs.

We are Africans, and Proudly so.

Napata77:
Sorry but those are foreign invaders’ religions.

Why should govt spend a single kobo on them?

Our traditional religion is very different.

We must honour and reconnect officially with our ancestral heritage, or we are still a colonised people.

We are not English people.

We are not Arabs.

We are Africans, and Proudly so.

I never said that government should spend money on them. I am responding to those that are complaining that government spent money on them and I am saying that government did not spend money on them.

AntiChristian:


It will never be successful!

Aamin!

Intolerant islamist

Your religion met them in Africa

Kukutenla:
Intolerant islamist

Your religion met them in Africa

Paul and Jesus were very tolerant! They permitted shrines to be built right?

AntiChristian:
Paul and Jesus were very tolerant! They permitted shrines to be built right?

Paul and Jesus preached to convert pagans not kill them

Kukutenla:
Paul and Jesus preached to convert pagans not kill them

That's because they were not militarized like Samson, Moses, Joshua and co!

2. Judges 14:19 (NIV): Then the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of everything and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he returned to his father’s home.

The Spirit of the Lord no be Jesus relative?

AntiChristian:
That's because they were not militarized like Samson, Moses, Joshua and co!



The Spirit of the Lord no be Jesus relative?

What stopped them from being militarised? Is it ewa or agbado

The spirit of the Lord does not turn people to robots
He got the strength to fight by the power of God in him does not mean the spirit of God guided him to kill people. Each one is responsible for what they use the gift they were given for. In Samson's case, God brought him as a deliverer to his people from the oppression of the Phillistines which he did by killing the Phillistines

illicit:
Well it's simply going to be symbolic

No single temple can accommodate all traditional religion

The moslems worship the same way, the christians too, but the idol worshippers differ...

who told you Muslim and Christians worship the same way?

Kukutenla:
What stopped them from being militarised? Is it ewa or agbado

The spirit of the Lord does not turn people to robots
He got the strength to fight by the power of God in him does not mean the spirit of God guided him to kill people. Each one is responsible for what they use the gift they were given for. In Samson's case, God brought him as a deliverer to his people from the oppression of the Phillistines which he did by killing the Phillistines

The spirit of the Lord enter him for him to kill but when he wants to carry Olosho the spirit go dey silent or comot!

illicit:
That's right
The difference is that most christian sects use the same settings

But traditionalists have different settings

Even among yoruba alone, Ogun can not be worshipped in sangos temple, oya and osun are not the best of friends

Ayelala, soponna are worshipped in the jungle because they are gods of disease and miserable untimely death

They all require different types of sacrifices...


This place will just be a symbol, in utility it will just be used for gathering

You get my drift?

There are commonalities running through all those traditional denominations. You just need to sit the various chief priests down at a round table and tell them we need them to devise a modality for integrated sessions or services in the temple that account for their collective spiritual values, and fundamental teachings.

They will surely come up with something.

How can they shun such an opportunity? Never.

They will arrange it so that even strangers can walk in and offer short prayers before leaving, or participate in temple services.

Animal sacrifice will be prohibited and replaced by food, flowers etc.

If we do it the right way, Nigerian traditional religion will trend globally just like Afrobeats and Nollywood have done.

Anything we touch turns to gold.