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Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by lereinter(m): 6:00pm On Dec 06, 2024
MadamExcellency:
This teaching is beyond your level. The theology isn't meant for radical spirit-filled youths. There are no more Apostles as no man can appoint someone an Apostle. It's only Jesus Christ that appoints the Apostles. Apostles can write the Holy Scriptures as they are inspired to do so.

Read your Bible and study hard. Doctrinal teachings are different from spiritual warfare.
Hmmmm

Excellent piece
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Lawag3: 6:06pm On Dec 06, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
Yes!

Outside!

She was not in the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service there
She led the people of Israel. If God saw a woman fit be be his mouth piece then what can we mere humans do about it.



God doesn't discriminate genders
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Cti28(m): 6:07pm On Dec 06, 2024
MadamVanessa:
shocked


The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title
Apostleship is not even a title, it is an office. True Apostleship is very, very rare. Majority prostrating as Apostles today, are not.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by bukatyne(f): 6:10pm On Dec 06, 2024
Ashawoman82:
she deserves it... Just try and listen to her songs...GUC dey learn work when it comes to powerful worship songs..
While I will not debate her worthiness for the office, it is unchristian to say 'gospel minister A is learning work from B' when it comes to such things.

Modified:

I am somewhat aligned with the position that Apostlic ministry is about the people who walked physically with Christ. The only person called an Apostle outside the circle of the physical disciples was Paul. And he saw Jesus on the road to Damascus.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by OkCornel(m): 6:23pm On Dec 06, 2024
Meti99:
Your quote is erroneous.
Here is what that passage actually says
Romans 16:
7. Greet Andronicus and Junia,c my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. THEY ARE WELL KNOWN TO THE APOSTLES, and they were in Christ before me.

Not that they were APOSTLES themselves but were popular among/to the Apostles
Do a bit of research on who Junia is. Then confirm whether the bearer of that name was male or female.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by EgusiShankly: 6:30pm On Dec 06, 2024
Lol
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by udemzyudex(m): 6:33pm On Dec 06, 2024
jesusjnr2020:
It shows that not everyone in today's church is ignorant that the teaching against women speaking in the church is not only erroneous but antichrist!

I don't know who the woman is but if she was truly chosen by God, to hell with the opinion of men, including so-called Christians.

When it comes to choosing men or women for His work, God never consults with any man, even if it be His prophets or apostles.

He chooses whomever He wills so it's up to His servants to either accept that fact or be left out of what God is doing.

God bless.
Lol.. Very funny post.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by OkCornel(m): 6:43pm On Dec 06, 2024
Kam2021:
Are women ordained as apostles? Following the footsteps of Christ men were ordained apostles. Another title would have been better.
Check for Junia in Romans 16 v 7
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 6:52pm On Dec 06, 2024
Lawag3:
She led the people of Israel. If God saw a woman fit be be his mouth piece then what can we mere humans do about it.

God doesn't discriminate genders
You have now moved post from prophet, priest to leader.

Any one can lead for God did not say only men could lwad. so an outcast and son of a LovePeddler even led Israel.

But none of them served in the.Holy Tabernacle (church)
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Lawag3: 6:59pm On Dec 06, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
You have now moved post from prophet, priest to leader.

Any one can lead for God did not say only men could lwad. so an outcast and son of a LovePeddler even led Israel.

But none of them served in the.Holy Tabernacle (church)
You left the most important stuff she was the mouth piece of God.


God revealed his plan through her.


That should tell you something.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Capernum: 7:20pm On Dec 06, 2024
In my sincere opinion, ordaining people in to the office of an Apostle is unbiblical. You don't ordain an apostle. It is not a biblical pattern! We are starting another craze again now o.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by cococandy(f): 7:20pm On Dec 06, 2024
Well I guess he just did.

What are you going to do about it 🥱

Dtruthspeaker:
Ignoring your Off Point tirade. The word is "can be called". Meaning you admit and confess that God had never called a woman before.

And by the time His Word was completed andI Finished, did He still call any? No.

Rather He closed it all, Saying "it is Finished"!.

Clearly, He was not calling anyone again and would not be.

Thus, no woman has been called by God and no woman would be called so it is only you hunans doing the calling thinking that it makes you look fair and even better than God. Clearly, you love to be cast into hellfire, like Uzzah.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by cococandy(f): 7:22pm On Dec 06, 2024
This !
BlessingIsraelM:
You are simply a classic example of women who hate women thriving in diverse role. When you say 'both' who else holds this idea as you ? Stop looking for people to support your archaic believe of gender role !
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 7:34pm On Dec 06, 2024
Capernum:
In my sincere opinion, ordaining people in to the office of an Apostle is unbiblical. You don't ordain an apostle. It is not a biblical pattern! We are starting another craze again now o.
The craze started a bunch of Romans — non-Israelites— decided to make themselves gods over an idea alien to their bloodline and even created a religion — Christianity— of it. undecided
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Macnnoli4(m): 7:50pm On Dec 06, 2024
I blame Apostle Paul for bringing sexism into the church. The only reason why women weren't apostles during Jesus time is because of the patrachial environment that time. But now times have changed, are we going to continue being retrogressive?
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 7:55pm On Dec 06, 2024
Macnnoli4:
I blame Apostle Paul for bringing sexism into the church. The only reason why women weren't apostles during Jesus time is because of the patrachial environment that time. But now times have changed, are we going to continue being retrogressive?
LOL... Paul never brought sexism into the church. He could not have done that since Paul was a servant, not a master, under Jesus Christ of Isreal. After all, Paul was an Israelite. undecided

The ones who gave you sexism as a foundation in your religion of Christianity fashioned by non-Israelites— those Jesus Christ of Israel warned were not endowed with the ability to handle that which is Holy(they can only tamper with it)— are your religious leaders. Their major idea is to rule over your will with ideas and doctrines that fit well within their scheme and understanding. undecided
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by OneOnland: 7:58pm On Dec 06, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
Ignoring your Off Point tirade. The word is "can be called". Meaning you admit and confess that God had never called a woman before.

And by the time His Word was completed andI Finished, did He still call any? No.

Rather He closed it all, Saying "it is Finished"!.

Clearly, He was not calling anyone again and would not be.

Thus, no woman has been called by God and no woman would be called so it is only you hunans doing the calling thinking that it makes you look fair and even better than God. Clearly, you love to be cast into hellfire, like Uzzah.
Deborah was a judge, a prophet called by Gd. And she was a woman. Gd had never treated women lesser than men, at least the old testament tells that. While women were not so popular, there still was Deborah, a judge called by Gd. There still was Esther, a heroine/liberator.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Mariangeles(f): 8:01pm On Dec 06, 2024
Macnnoli4:
I blame Apostle Paul for bringing sexism into the church. The only reason why women weren't apostles during Jesus time is because of the patrachial environment that time. But now times have changed, are we going to continue being retrogressive?
Still, Jesus Christ had women who worked/walked closely with him.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by OneOnland: 8:04pm On Dec 06, 2024
Mariangeles:
Still, Jesus Christ had women who worked/walked closely with him.
Mary Magdalene, for example.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Mariangeles(f): 8:08pm On Dec 06, 2024
OneOnland:
Mary Magdalene, for example.
Even Martha her sister, and many others that their names were never mentioned.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Originalsly: 8:09pm On Dec 06, 2024
Hmmmm .... couldn't she just declare herself an apostle?... after all ... she has popular Christian songs on her resume ... what do the two have? ... who made them apostles?...and gave them the power to appoint apostles? Three blind mice ... doesn't the Bible state women should not have position on the church? The blind leading the blind.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by OneOnland: 8:18pm On Dec 06, 2024
MadamVanessa:
shocked


The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title.
Merit? How could you know who merits what and what, a matter of 'spirit-related'?

Plus, how could you be certain that she may not be a genuine christ disciple. Your Jesus embraced a prostitute, so how terrible could a church-going gospel singer be to the Jesus?
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Mariangeles(f): 8:20pm On Dec 06, 2024
Samfloxin:
A woman should not officiate in a church,any woman who is gifted should work as a worker in a church or open a ministry. She can head a ministry but not the church
Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being His counsellor hath taught Him?
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:00pm On Dec 06, 2024
MadamVanessa:
shocked


The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title.
Ignorance
How do you know that she doesn't deserve it...God's PA
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:01pm On Dec 06, 2024
Samfloxin:
A woman should not officiate in a church,any woman who is gifted should work as a worker in a church or open a ministry. She can head a ministry but not the church
Deborah was a prophetess
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:01pm On Dec 06, 2024
OneOnland:
Merit? How could you know who merits what and what, a matter of 'spirit-related'?

Plus, how could you be certain that she may not be a genuine christ disciple. Your Jesus embraced a prostitute, so how terrible could a church-going gospel singer be to the Jesus?
You dey mind that buffon
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:03pm On Dec 06, 2024
Kobojunkie:
Sexual discrimination and religion including Christianity are like Siamese twins joined in the brain... inseparable! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Christianity doesn't discriminate against women, people interpretes the scripture based on their agenda. In the same scripture, we have prophetess like Deborah and four daughters of Philip
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by ttime(m): 9:07pm On Dec 06, 2024
OkCornel:
Junia was a female apostle in the Bible. She was in the ministry even before Paul was converted.

Romans 16 v 7
Greet Andronicus and 👉Junia👈, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding 👉among the apostles👈, and they were in Christ before I was
That verse is greatly misinterpreted.
Read it in ESV
It says "they are well known to the Apostles"
Speaks of their relationship to the Apostles, since they were christians before him.
That verse doesn't mean they were apostles themselves.
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 9:16pm On Dec 06, 2024
femi4:
✓ Christianity doesn't discriminate against women, people interpretes the scripture based on their agenda. In the same scripture, we have prophetess like Deborah and four daughters of Philip
I know your kind...denial of the obvious facts is your way.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:18pm On Dec 06, 2024
Kobojunkie:
I know your kind...denial of the obvious facts is your way.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I speak facts with proof, not a hypocrite like you
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by Kobojunkie: 9:19pm On Dec 06, 2024
femi4:
I speak fact with proof, not a hypocrite like you
Your mind seems to have forgotten what the term fact imply then ....😂😂😂😂😂😂
Re: Victoria Orenze Ordained As Apostle, Sparks Debate Among Christians by femi4: 9:22pm On Dec 06, 2024
Kobojunkie:
Your mind seems to have forgotten what the term fact imply then ....😂😂😂😂😂😂
lolz, Cry more
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