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ThatWriterBoy:
I personally believe that the office of the apostles have ceased. Apostles were only for the Bible days; not for today. What was the criteria for picking an Apostle according to the Bible?
1. He must have been around when Jesus was there and was a physical witness to the happenings.
2. He must have the signs of the apostle to confirm his apostleship in signs and wonders and diverse strange miracles.
3. His words form major doctrine like Paul's writings and stuff.

Nobody here was around when Jesus was alive (Paul's case was special as he said he was separated in his mother's womb). The signs of an apostle were unquestionable miracles. A lame man that the whole Jerusalem knew was lame was made to walk by Peter and John, I don't see those kinds of miracles in today's church. Nobody can add to the Bible anymore, and any new doctrine coming today is most likely false.

This is why I believe there can be no apostles today. Only pastors, prophets, teachers and evangelists. The apostles have laid the foundation for us like Paul said when he talked about the household of God in Ephesians, BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES...

I would have provided verses to prove my point, but I don't have time to search them out now.

You aren't reading your Bible well. To start with there are 4 categories of Apostles in the Bible. If the word Apostle means messenger or sent how can it just end. The one you are referring to have end is what is called Foundational Apostles which are the 12 and a couple of others that layed the foundational and doctrinal template of the church of christ, Christ being the foundation and the chief cornerstone.

OneOnland:
Deborah was a judge, a prophet called by Gd. And she was a woman. Gd had never treated women lesser than men, at least the old testament tells that. While women were not so popular, there still was Deborah, a judge called by Gd. There still was Esther, a heroine/liberator.

Yes she was called but where?

Outside the Tabernacle
She was not in the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service there

on treating women lesser.
How come Aaron's daughters were not appointed priests? Nor could they do they carry out any function of priests.

And how come God did not say First born whether male or female is His?

Or how come women and girls need to clean Twice more than men and boys?

cococandy:
Well I guess he just did.

What are you going to do about it 🥱

Nadab and Abihu were called, yet you know what happened to them. But these are the days where people are not afraid of God, so continue.

Lawag3:
You left the most important stuff she was the mouth piece of God.
God revealed his plan through her.
That should tell you something.

You left he most important stuff by shifting post meanwhile, the most important stuff was that she was outside the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service in it.

Kobojunkie:
Your mean your many scammers-in-the-lords who frequent brothels and clubs, others with side-chicks aplenty, right?

You aren't making any sense bro.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes she was called but where?

Outside the Tabernacle
She was not in the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service there

on treating women lesser.
How come Aaron's daughters were not appointed priests? Nor could they do they carry out any function of priests.

And how come God did not say First born whether male or female is His?

Or how come women and girls need to clean Twice more than men and boys?

"Yes she was called but where?"
Earlier you claimed that Gd called no woman, but now it has changed to where Gd called Deborah. Issokay.

That Aaron's daughters were not priests is that Aaron's daughters were not priests. That Deborah was called by Gd and was not only a prophet but a judge and ruler of Israel taking them on to defeat the Canaanites on God's instructions means that Deborah was a prophet.

A personal sidenote here: women have duties, and that a Samuel didn't become King doesn't make anyone to say, "yeah, priests are treated lesser than some others because no priests later became king".

That women have to clean twice means women have to clean twice. Do their biology not warrant it? That women are not to handle dead bodies mean women are not to handle dead bodies.

However does few clear separation of duties mean that Gd treats or sees one gender lesser? The old testament never said that, nor did any of Gd's action denote it. So, what are you on about?


If you decide to be a misogynist, that's fine, but Gd was not a misogynist, the old testament denotes. Otherwise, Gd wouldn't have spoken to Deborah, Gd wouldn't have sent angel personally to Sara, Gd wouldn't have let Esther be favoured and rather lifted a male Israelite instead to liberate the Jews in order to prove misogyny. But Gd didn't do that!

Dtruthspeaker:
You left he most important stuff by shifting post meanwhile, the most important stuff was that she was outside the Tabernacle (church) neither did she carry on any service in it.

The most important thing is that she was used by God. Not working in the tabernacle.


God revealed his mind and his plan to Deborah a woman not to the priests and workers in the tabernacle. That should tell you something.



In that time there was a limit to what woman could do and become not because that's how God wanted it to be it was because of men and the traditions of Men.


God now can use women as deacons ministers as long as they are a willing vessel God will use them.

jesusjnr2020:
It shows that not everyone in today's church is ignorant that the teaching against women speaking in the church is not only erroneous but antichrist!

I don't know who the woman is but if she was truly chosen by God, to hell with the opinion of men, including so-called Christians.

When it comes to choosing men or women for His work, God never consults with any man, not even His prophets or apostles.

He chooses whomever He wills so it's up to His servants to either accept that fact or be left out of what God is doing.

God bless.

Please mention one female apostle in the Bible.

MadamVanessa:



The title 'Apostle' in Christendom holds profound significance, reserved for genuine disciples of Christ. Witnessing this esteemed title being trivialized is truly disheartening. Let's be candid, we both know that she doesn't merit this honorable title.

Do you know her? If you knew her, then you would know that this woman is a true firebrand through and through.

Victoria Orenze can be ordained or not ordained by an apostle, but it doesn't stop her from doing the aposterial work that she is called to do.

Apostles of Jesus Christ are just trainers' trainers. Was there any is there supposed to be any prestige attached to it? When Paul became an apostle, his eyes saw shege.

Does Victoria preach heresy? Does she not carry fire? If she was ordained as an apostle by men of God, just believe that they are carrying out God's instruction.
She has yielded herself to be used as an apostle and so, my prayer for her is that she will keep walking in humility and will be a great threat to the kingdom of darkness in Jesus name, Amen.

Advancedman:
Please mention one female apostle in the Bible.

Very funny😂.

Was she called to be an Apostle from the onset? Why did she go into music ministry if she was called to be an Apostle. The role of an Apostle is very tedious she can't juggle it with music. To me she was far more influential as a music minister than this title. People just won't rest. To each his own sha. I barely have time to listen to music sef.

Evidenx:
Scriptures can not be broken or changed for anyone.. Scriptures says a woman should not have authority over men in the church.

That means bible forbids a woman to stand on the altar to preach,and also forbid them having a church building where they have male pastors working under them.

Yes God still calls women into ministry but as prophetess and evangelist and their work is to go outside the church to win souls to church,not drag microphone with men on the altar.

That been said,no woman can become apostle,ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THIS NONSENSE ORDINATION WILL HAVE THE WRATH OF GOD VISIT THEM IF THEY DON'T REPENT!!!

Did God give you this message to those involved or you just cooked it up in your head? The bible says, "woe unto those foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing.." Ezekiel 13:2-5

I hope you don't get to be the one judged🤷.

JESUS HAD 12 APOSTLES AND THERE WAS NO APOSTLE RITA AMONG THEM. 1 COR 14-34 AND 1 TIM 2-11-15 REMAIN VALID TILL THE CONSUMMATION OF TIME FOR TRUE DAUGHTERS OF GOD, WHO LOVE THE TRUTH, WHILE THE REBELLIOUS DAUGHTERS OF JEZEBEL WHO PARADE THEMSEKVES AS DAUGHTERS OF GOD, WILL CONTINUE TO REBEL AGAINST GOD'S WORD AND END UP AMONG THOSE DESCRIBED AS WORKERS OF INIQUITY, WHO KNEW THE TRUTH BUT FOR PERSONAL INTEREST TRAMPLED UPON IT.

OneOnland:
"Yes she was called but where?"
Earlier you claimed that Gd called no woman, but now it has changed to where Gd called Deborah. Issokay.

You will understand better how wolves come in sheep clothing when you see habitual liars coming dressed up as truth speakers.

Evidenx:
Scriptures can not be broken or changed for anyone.. Scriptures says a woman should not have authority over men in the church.

That means bible forbids a woman to stand on the altar to preach,and also forbid them having a church building where they have male pastors working under them.

Yes God still calls women into ministry but as prophetess and evangelist and their work is to go outside the church to win souls to church,not drag microphone with men on the altar.

That been said,no woman can become apostle,ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THIS NONSENSE ORDINATION WILL HAVE THE WRATH OF GOD VISIT THEM IF THEY DON'T REPENT!!!

Are you sure you understand the work of prophetess? Go back to your Bible n study Deborah

Judges 4:4-5
4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided

You are the one that broke the scripture cos you use a verse to validate a doctrine

femi4:
Are you sure you understand the work of prophetess? Go back to your Bible n study Deborah

Judges 4:4-5
4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided

You are the one that broke the scripture cos you use a verse to validate a doctrine

Was Israel a church or a nation? Church started when Jesus died rose and went to heaven,that is Christianity started from the books of acts ....is clear you don't understand the scriptures you quoted.

Evidenx:
Was Israel a church a nation? Church started when Jesus died rose and went to heaven,that is Christianity started from the books of acts ....is clear you don't understand the scriptures you quoted.

Oga read new testament too . Philip four daughters were prophetess Acts 21:9 You can read my submission in previous page of this thread

jesusjnr2020:
It shows that not everyone in today's church is ignorant that the teaching against women speaking in the church is not only erroneous but antichrist!

I don't know who the woman is but if she was truly chosen by God, to hell with the opinion of men, including so-called Christians.

When it comes to choosing men or women for His work, God never consults with any man, not even His prophets or apostles.

He chooses whomever He wills so it's up to His servants to either accept that fact or be left out of what God is doing.

God bless.

You are just talking out of ignorance of the word of God. Are you more wise than Jesus Christ who could not appointed even a single woman as an apostle in his time? The role of an Apostle is not for women.

Dtruthspeaker:
Nadab and Abihu were called, yet you know what happened to them. But these are the days where people are not afraid of God, so continue.

So what are you doing about it?

cococandy:
So what are you doing about it?

Cococandy my dear, how are you. You really impress me. Abeg pet my head to keep me calm today.

livetalk:
You are just talking out of ignorance of the word of God. Are you more wise than Jesus Christ who could not appointed even a single woman as an apostle in his time? The role of an Apostle is not for women.

So who was Mary Magdalene.
His wife?

His side chic?

His baby mama?

The washer of his feet with perfume?

His ressurector from the grave?

femi4:
Oga read new testament too . Philip four daughters were prophetess Acts 21:9 You can read my submission in previous page of this thread

and I did mention God still calls women as prophetess and Evangelist,or you didn't read my submission also?

lacasera14:
Was she called to be an Apostle from the onset? Why did she go into music ministry if she was called to be an Apostle. The role of an Apostle is very tedious she can't juggle it with music. To me she was far more influential as a music minister than this title. People just won't rest. To each his own sha. I barely have time to listen to music sef.

The more reason why you should know that it is more than being known. God can ask you to leave that which you are excelling at to take up another task where fewer people will reckon with you, all for His glory.

Evidenx:
and I did mention God still calls women as prophetess and Evangelist,or you didn't read my submission also?

mumu , you said their duty is to evangelise not lead. You seem not to remember your words

DeepSight:
Cococandy my dear, how are you. You really impress me. Abeg pet my head to keep me calm today.

I’m fine thank you

I hope everything is okay

ttime:
That verse is greatly misinterpreted.
Read it in ESV
It says "they are well known to the Apostles"
Speaks of their relationship to the Apostles, since they were christians before him.
That verse doesn't mean they were apostles themselves.

History lessons.

cococandy:
I’m fine thank you

I hope everything is okay

Oh perfect. Just reviewed some of your arguments and realized you are perfectly on point.

DeepSight:
Oh perfect. Just reviewed some of your arguments and realized you are perfectly on point.

Okay. Thank you 😘

Ynix:
You aren't reading your Bible well. To start with there are 4 categories of Apostles in the Bible. If the word Apostle means messenger or sent how can it just end. The one you are referring to have end is what is called Foundational Apostles which are the 12 and a couple of others that layed the foundational and doctrinal template of the church of christ, Christ being the foundation and the chief cornerstone.

Could you give me some examples of the other types of apostles that weren't foundational to the spread and development of the Christian faith?

Ynix:
You aren't reading your Bible well. To start with there are 4 categories of Apostles in the Bible. If the word Apostle means messenger or sent how can it just end? The one you are referring to has ended is what is called Foundational Apostles which are the 12 and a couple of others that lay the foundational and doctrinal template of the church of Christ, Christ being the foundation and the chief cornerstone.

Also, could you point out the role and function of an apostle, so we can see which apostle is carrying out the role today?

I believe Apostles have ceased to exist, and some people who claim to be apostles function more as pastors, teachers and evangelists than apostles.

Well, I could be wrong though, but can I get a convincing argument as to why?

The New Testament was written by apostles for example. Nobody's writing an additional book to the Bible today so why are we still saying that apostles exist? That's just one example sha.

The apostles are the foundation on which the rest of the church is built on. After the foundation was finished, they ceased. The other offices are building on what they have already done.

ThatWriterBoy:
Also, could you point out the role and function of an apostle, so we can see which apostle is carrying out the role today?

I believe Apostles have ceased to exist, and some people who claim to be apostles function more as pastors, teachers and evangelists than apostles.

Well, I could be wrong though, but can I get a convincing argument as to why?

The New Testament was written by apostles for example. Nobody's writing an additional book to the Bible today so why are we still saying that apostles exist? That's just one example sha.

The apostles are the foundation on which the rest of the church is built on. After the foundation was finished, they ceased. The other offices are building on what they have already done.

let me do some short explanation for you, there are different categories of apostles, to start with Jesus Christ Himself was an Apostle.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was sent by the Father as an apostle (Hebrews 3:1). The Greek word "apostolos" (ἀπόστολος) means "one sent forth" or "messenger." Jesus was the ultimate Apostle, sent to redeem humanity and establish the church.

Then we have the Apostles of the Lamb

The Apostles of the Lamb, they are the primary foundational apostles, being chosen by Jesus Christ to lay the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20; Revelation 21:14). These apostles, including Peter, James, John, and others, were entrusted with the responsibility of spreading the Gospel and establishing the early church. In simple terms they are the 12 Disciples.

But there are other apostles beyond the original 12: for example

- Paul, who was called by God to be an apostle (Romans 11:13; 1 Corinthians 15:9; 1 Timothy 2:7; 2 Timothy 1:11)
- Barnabas, who was sent out by the church in Jerusalem as an apostle (Acts 14:4, 14)
- Silas, who was recognized as an apostle by the church in Jerusalem (1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1)
- Timothy, who was considered an apostle by Paul (1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:1) There are even some women referred to as Apostles in the Holy Bible some of them like Paul, Barnabas, Mark are aso considered as

The Foundational Apostles and Prophets

These foundational apostles and prophets provided the doctrinal foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20). They laid the foundation, and subsequent apostles and leaders were to build upon it.

Let me use a A House Analogy which is a prominent analogy of the body of Christ in the Holy Bivle

Consider a house as an analogy for the church. The foundational apostles and prophets laid the foundation of the house, establishing the doctrinal framework of the church. Subsequent apostles and leaders are like builders who add to the structure, but they must build upon the existing foundation.

Ephesians 2:20 which I mentioned earlier says, "Having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone." This verse emphasizes the importance of the foundational apostles and prophets in establishing the church.

Then other Apostles emerges after them, some of which includes Timothy and many others till the ones we have today. It becomes easy when you change the word Apostle to Messenger

Like I said Apostles today are not to lay new foundations or establish new doctrines. Instead, they are to build upon the existing foundation laid by the foundational apostles and prophets (1 Corinthians 3:10-11). Apostles today are to:

- Plant and establish new churches (1 Corinthians 3:6-10)
- Provide spiritual oversight and guidance to churches (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5)
- Equip and train leaders for ministry (Ephesians 4:11-12)
- Spread the Gospel and make disciples (Matthew 28:18-20)