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Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by AntiChristian: 9:34pm On Dec 07, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Quote it out let everyone see what your Quran says about Moses, Aaron and Mary the mother of Jesus! smiley
I would be the one to quote the mistake you brought? Grandpa you are getting senile!
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:46pm On Dec 07, 2024
AntiChristian:
I would be the one to quote the mistake you brought? Grandpa you are getting senile!
Usual attitude whenever you're corrected. smiley
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by AntiisIam(m):
AntiChristian:
Which reference in Qur'an?
Quran 3;106–107

On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

But as for those whose faces will turn white, [they will be] within the mercy of Allah . They will abide therein eternally.


Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161

"I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, Ishaq:243

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).


Is the Quran racist? Chapter 3 verse 106-107 mentions those with "white faces" and those with "black faces"?
Quran 3;106–107

On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

But as for those whose faces will turn white, [they will be] within the mercy of Allah . They will abide therein eternally.

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."

Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161

"I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, Ishaq:243

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256

In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).

However Arabs had negative perception of Turks and Kurds also

This is not the only example of Muhammad using negative physical descriptors for non-Arabs. He describes Turks “as if their eyes are the pupils of locusts and as if their faces are hammered shields” or “shields coated with leather.” (Bukhari 2928, Ibn Majah 4099)
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by AntiChristian: 8:45am On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Usual attitude whenever you're corrected. smiley
You are telling me to help you quote what you call a mistake from my book! Isn't that senility?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:19am On Dec 08, 2024
AntiChristian:
You are telling me to help you quote what you call a mistake from my book! Isn't that senility?
And you never noticed that it has been quoted in other posts shey?

Ọmọ try to be sincere in whatever you do this is what will help you when others around you turn their back on the things you all agreed to keep on doing.

If inspired writings in the Bible has errors just as you've concluded explain how Aaron who lived over 1600 years before Mary could be her brother! Quran 19:28 Surah Maryam.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 2:13pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
This is what is found written in your Quran:

"Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil nor was your mother unchaste" Quran 19:28
Anyone with a common sense that have read the Qur'an as a whole would know the author was not claiming Mary the mother Jesus was a sister of Aaron in the literal sense.
I will understand if this is coming from someone that have been a Christian all his/her life that just read Qur'an 19:28 in isolation, but coming from an exmuslim is what I don't understand, so It is either you were an ignorant Muslim or you are just a dishonest JW.

Here are verses that suggests there are gaps between Moses and Jesus, and Moses and Aaron could not have been Jesus uncles

Q5:44
Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the PROPHETS, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers

Q5:46
Then in the footsteps of the PROPHETS, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed BEFORE him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.

Q2:87
Indeed, We gave Moses the Book and sent AFTER him SUCCESSIVE MESSENGERS. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit. Why is it that every time a messenger comes to you with something you do not like, you become arrogant, rejecting some and killing others?


It is very clear the author believe Torah was revealed to Moses and tons of prophets, Rabbis, Judges used the same torah before Jesus was given the Injeel. Do you know how many Jewish prophets are mention in the Qur'an? To now conclude the author thought Moses was an uncle of Jesus is a conclusion I can't comprehend.

When they saw her with a baby in her arms and she was unmarried , The term "sister of Aaron" was used there to draw her attention to the piety and righteousness she should have and the piety and righteousness of her parents.

Why they called her "sister of Aaron" is something I honestly don't know. The author of Qur'an made it known that Mary used to work in the temple as a consecrated virgin, performing tasks such as weaving, sewing and the likes. It is possible the term was just a title for virgins working in the temple at the time, I really don't know. But what I know is that the author did not believe Moses and Aaron were Jesus uncles.


MaxInDHouse:
According to Luke Elizabeth and Zechariah are both from the tribe of Levi so they were both descendants of Aaron the brother of Moses both descendants of Levi.

So your prophet lied Aaron was not the brother of Elizabeth, Mary or anyhow you guys wish to twist it but he is the ancestor of Zechariah and Elizabeth!
You can apply common sense to know that Luke referring to Elizabeth as of the daughters of Aaron does not mean she was a literal daughter of Aaron but applying same common sense to the Qur'an text is where you draw the line.

MaxInDHouse:
As for Khadijat history has it that she was Catholic!
Which history has it that Khadijah was a Catholic? The one concocted in your kingdom hall?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
The author was not claiming Mary the mother Jesus was a sister of Aaron in the literal sense.
As your imams twisted it after finding out that there is no way Aaron could be Mary's or Elizabeth's brother.
Please everyone can read the Quran it's what's written we want to talk about not how your imams twisted it to suit their lies!

Here is it again:

Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 3:45pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
As your imams twisted it after finding out that there is no way Aaron could be Mary's or Elizabeth's brother.
Please everyone can read the Quran it's what's written we want to talk about not how your imams twisted it to suit their lies!

Here is it again:
So all the verses I quoted about how there are prophets in between Moses and Jesus flew over your head? I know a dishonest fellow when I see one.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

Agenda must agend.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:52pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
So all the verses I quoted about how there are prophets in between Moses and Jesus flew over your head? I know a dishonest fellow when I see one.
Below is what we need from you Sir!

Qasim6:
Why they called her "sister of Aaron" is something I honestly don't know.
And i'm telling you why:

Muhammad was never inspired he was doing cut and join regarding what he heard from the religion of Khadijat his sugar mummy.

So if you don't know something there's no need trying to defend it jọọ. smiley
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 3:53pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
And i'm telling you why:

Muhammad was never inspired he was doing cut and join regarding what he heard from the religion of Khadijat his sugar mummy.

So if you don't know something there's no need trying to defend it jọọ. smiley
Don't worry

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

I can not have a discussion with a dimwit.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:55pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
Don't worry
You can believe whatever you want to believe.
I can not have a discussion with a dimwit.
Usual attitude whenever you're corrected after saying you don't know why the writers of your Quran called Mary the sister of Aaron! cheesy
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 4:02pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Usual attitude whenever you're corrected after saying you don't know why the writers of your Quran called Mary the sister of Aaron! cheesy
Lol

Guy I can't help you further. Believe whatever you want to believe.

Even if I say I don't know why she was called Sister of Aaron, What you can not say is that the author believed She was sister of Moses and Aaron except if you are a dishonest person.

The Qur'an verses I quoted indicates the author is very much aware there are lots of Prophet in-between Moses and Jesus. But if you want to disregard that and believe the author confused both Marys. You are welcome to believe whatever you want to believe.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:09pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
Guy I can't help you further. Believe whatever you want to believe.
YES!

I believe your Quran was fabricated by people who don't know the history of the Israelites but wanted to attach themselves where they do not belong. wink
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 4:19pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
YES!

I believe your Quran was fabricated by people who don't know the history of the Israelites but wanted to attach themselves where they do not belong. wink
Anything that make you sleep at night..
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:25pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
Anything that make you sleep at night..
Next time learn to have manners i don't insult because i know it doesn't speak well of a true believer but when talking about errors authors of your Quran has no right to dabble into the history of Israelites claiming what the Israelites penned down in their own scriptures is wrong!
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Qasim6(m): 4:33pm On Dec 08, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Next time learn to have manners i don't insult because i know it doesn't speak well of a true believer but when talking about errors authors of your Quran has no right to dabble into the history of Israelites claiming what the Israelites penned down in their own scriptures is wrong!
Imagine, you are speaking about manners?
U don't insult? Really, maybe you should go back to our conversation on this thread and see who was the first to start throwing insults around.

You can believe whatever you want to believe about the errors in the Qur'an. I can't have a conversation with a dishonest fellow.

You have proven yourself to be very dishonest and all those smiling emojis are just gimmicks.

If you are not daft, you will know I can do the same with ur Bible. You use your common sense to know Luke calling Elizabeth daughter of Aaron does not mean she is literally a daughter of Aaron but applying same common sense to the Qur'an is where you draw the line.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Dec 08, 2024
Qasim6:
Imagine, you are speaking about manners?
U don't insult? Really, maybe you should go back to our conversation on this thread and see who was the first to start throwing insults around.
You can believe whatever you want to believe about the errors in the Qur'an. I can't have a conversation with a dishonest fellow.
You have proven yourself to be very dishonest and all those smiling emojis are just gimmicks.
If you are not daft, you will know I can do the same with ur Bible. You use your common sense to know Luke calling Elizabeth daughter of Aaron does not mean she is literally a daughter of Aaron but applying same common sense to the Qur'an is where you draw the line.
Aaron is not the brother of Mary or Elizabeth is wrong!

Calling the present Ọọ̀ni of Ifẹ̀ the son of Odùduwa makes sense because he is one of the descendants of Odùduwa but calling Odùduwa the brother of the present Ọọ̀ni is totally wrong! smiley
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt:
MaxInDHouse:
Muhammad was never inspired he was doing cut and join regarding what he heard from the religion of Khadijat his sugar mummy.

So if you don't know something there's no need trying to defend it jọọ. smiley
This notion is far from the truth.

Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, the first wife of Prophet Muhammad pbuh was never a Catholic or linked to Christianity. She was a respected noblewoman from the Quraysh tribe in Makkah, recognized for her integrity, intelligence, and successful business acumen. Before embracing Islam, she practiced the traditional monotheistic beliefs of the Hanifs, who followed the Abrahamic tradition and worshipped Allah without associating partners with Him. This background made her transition to Islam a natural one when the Prophet pbuh received his revelation.

MaxInDHouse:
Below is what we need from you Sir!
The relationship between Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Aaron an important figure in Jewish tradition raises interesting questions about the role of biology and heredity in sisterhood. While some interpretations may try to establish a direct biological link, it is important to note that the term "sister of Aaron," as mentioned in Islamic texts, is more symbolic than literal. This title reflects a shared spiritual heritage rather than a direct family connection (O Sister of Aaron, 2018). In this sense, Mary symbolizes not just an individual but a collective identity grounded in faith.

Additionally, viewing Mary's role through the lens of Jewish heritage highlights her symbolic importance. In Jewish tradition, figures like Mary can represent broader themes related to community identity and religious continuity (Mary in Jewish Tradition). This viewpoint suggests that Mary's importance goes beyond mere biological relationships; her connection to Aaron invites us to explore deeper ties among women in religious contexts. The sisterhood she represents resonates with shared responsibilities and roles traditionally assigned to women in priestly settings.

Therefore, while biology and heredity may influence identity within certain frameworks, they do not solely define significance. The spiritual kinship represented by Mary as "sister of Aaron" emphasizes how sisterhood can emerge from shared faith and responsibility rather than just biological ties (Mary, Personification of the Jewish People).
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:24pm On Dec 08, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
This notion is far from the truth.
Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, the first wife of Prophet Muhammad pbuh was never a Catholic or linked to Christianity. She was a respected noblewoman from the Quraysh tribe in Makkah, recognized for her integrity, intelligence, and successful business acumen. Before embracing Islam, she practiced the traditional monotheistic beliefs of the Hanifs, who followed the Abrahamic tradition and worshipped Allah without associating partners with Him. This background made her transition to Islam a natural one when the Prophet pbuh received his revelation.
Whatever you people say at least it's not your Allah rather the religion borrowed from Israel so why claim you people now know better than the Israelites whose history is never part of Arab's life?



Ohyoudidnt:
The relationship between Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Aaron an important figure in Jewish tradition raises interesting questions about the role of biology and heredity in sisterhood. While some interpretations may try to establish a direct biological link, it is important to note that the term "sister of Aaron," as mentioned in Islamic texts, is more symbolic than literal. This title reflects a shared spiritual heritage rather than a direct family connection (O Sister of Aaron, 2018). In this sense, Mary symbolizes not just an individual but a collective identity grounded in faith.

Additionally, viewing Mary's role through the lens of Jewish heritage highlights her symbolic importance. In Jewish tradition, figures like Mary can represent broader themes related to community identity and religious continuity (Mary in Jewish Tradition). This viewpoint suggests that Mary's importance goes beyond mere biological relationships; her connection to Aaron invites us to explore deeper ties among women in religious contexts. The sisterhood she represents resonates with shared responsibilities and roles traditionally assigned to women in priestly settings.

Therefore, while biology and heredity may influence identity within certain frameworks, they do not solely define significance. The spiritual kinship represented by Mary as "sister of Aaron" emphasizes how sisterhood can emerge from shared faith and responsibility rather than just biological ties (Mary, Personification of the Jewish People).
There was never an link between Aaron and Mary because she's from the tribe of Judah not Levi, Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons:
Reuben
Simʹe·on
Leʹvi*****
Judah
Isʹsa·char
Zebʹu·lun
Benjamin
Dan
Naphʹta·li
Gad
Ashʹer
Joseph
Descendants of Levi were chosen to operate in the house of their God that's where Moses and Aaron came from but as for Mary Jesus' mother she's from the tribe of Judah who are the descendants of David that's why Jesus was called the son of David.
So if any religion wants to correct anything in the history of Israelites please it can never ever be Arabians who were not directly related to Israel calling Mary the sister of Aaron is great BLUNDER and unacceptable! undecided
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt:
MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you people say at least it's not your Allah rather the religion borrowed from Israel so why claim you people now know better than the Israelites whose history is never part of Arab's life?
Eh ya. Misplaced ideas of borrowing. Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah are from where?
MaxInDHouse:
There was never an link between Aaron and Mary because she's from the tribe of Judah not Levi, Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons:
Reuben
Simʹe·on
Leʹvi*****
Judah
Isʹsa·char
Zebʹu·lun
Benjamin
Dan
Naphʹta·li
Gad
Ashʹer
Joseph
Descendants of Levi were chosen to operate in the house of their God that's where Moses and Aaron came from but as for Mary Jesus' mother she's from the tribe of Judah who are the descendants of David that's why Jesus was called the son of David.
So if any religion wants to correct anything in the history of Israelites please it can never ever be Arabians who were not directly related to Israel calling Mary the sister of Aaron is great BLUNDER and unacceptable! undecided
Where there priests of non levi origins? Why is Mary a kindred of Elizabeth?

1Kings 12:31
Jeroboam built shrines on high places and appointed priests from all sorts of people, even though they were not Levites
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:04am On Dec 09, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
Eh ya. Misplaced ideas of borrowing. Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah are from where?
Where there priests of non levi origins? Why is Mary a kindred of Elizabeth?
1Kings 12:31
Jeroboam built shrines on high places and appointed priests from all sorts of people, even though they were not Levites
Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah people who got married to the lineage of Abraham but the promise of pure worship was made only to the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so any child of Abraham that refused to accept this arrangement is cast out that's why you can't mention any prophet apart from those that descended from Jacob!

Elizabeth is related to Mary that doesn't necessarily mean both of them are of the same paternity their parents are Israelites who are able to marry any tribe in Israel but once a male child is born to the Levites he is a priest automatically.

Jeroboam established false religion that's why Jesus said Samaritans worship what they don't know {John 4:22} because the temple in Jerusalem is the authentic center for worship in ancient Israel!
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:48am On Dec 09, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah people who got married to the lineage of Abraham but the promise of pure worship was made only to the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so any child of Abraham that refused to accept this arrangement is cast out that's why you can't mention any prophet apart from those that descended from Jacob!

Elizabeth is related to Mary that doesn't necessarily mean both of them are of the same paternity their parents are Israelites who are able to marry any tribe in Israel but once a male child is born to the Levites he is a priest automatically.

Jeroboam established false religion that's why Jesus said Samaritans worship what they don't know {John 4:22} because the temple in Jerusalem is the authentic center for worship in ancient Israel!
Come let's reason.
Does the covenant apply to Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah exclusive of their people?

In earlier narrations the Noah's flood affected the whole world and a covenant was made; why then will the people amd their descendants be deprived of good haven survived?

Non Levites performed other roles within Israelite society and worship practices (e.g., judges, leaders) in agreement with the will of God.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:39am On Dec 09, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
Come let's reason.
Does the covenant apply to Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah exclusive of their people?
Whoever wants the blessings of God according to the scriptures must accept the arrangement of worship established by God back then so if Keturah's children joined the Israelites they will become part of the covenant just as Rahab and Ruth who were never part of the Israelites nor having anything to do with the covenant benefited by abandoning the worship of their ancestors to join the Israelites in pure worship.
Both Rahab and Ruth were blessed to be counted as great grandmothers of Jesus the Messiah! Matthew 1:5

Ohyoudidnt:
In earlier narrations the Noah's flood affected the whole world and a covenant was made; why then will the people amd their descendants be deprived of good haven survived?
That covenant was about total annihilation of the entire human race and other creatures but the covenant God had with Israelites was that of pure worship so whoever is practicing any other forms of worship after the establishment of the nation of Israel has already been deprived of the blessings that comes from that covenant unless they leave such forms of worship and join the Israelites.

Ohyoudidnt:
Non Levites performed other roles within Israelite society and worship practices (e.g., judges, leaders) in agreement with the will of God.
All Israelites are under the covenant of pure worship as long as they continue to participate in the arrangement Levites were only chosen to officiate in the arrangement it doesn't mean they are more blessed than other Israelites.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 5:08pm On Dec 09, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Whoever wants the blessings of God according to the scriptures must accept the arrangement of worship established by God back then so if Keturah's children joined the Israelites they will become part of the covenant just as Rahab and Ruth who were never part of the Israelites nor having anything to do with the covenant benefited by abandoning the worship of their ancestors to join the Israelites in pure worship.
Both Rahab and Ruth were blessed to be counted as great grandmothers of Jesus the Messiah! Matthew 1:5


That covenant was about total annihilation of the entire human race and other creatures but the covenant God had with Israelites was that of pure worship so whoever is practicing any other forms of worship after the establishment of the nation of Israel has already been deprived of the blessings that comes from that covenant unless they leave such forms of worship and join the Israelites.


All Israelites are under the covenant of pure worship as long as they continue to participate in the arrangement Levites were only chosen to officiate in the arrangement it doesn't mean they are more blessed than other Israelites.
While the Bible does establish a distinct covenant with Israel that includes particular laws and practices for their worship, it does not suggest that only those within Israel can be regarded as true worshippers of God.

Jethro and the people of Nineveh illustrate elements of genuine worship by acknowledging God’s authority, even though they were from the Median and Assyrian cultures.

Will I be correct to conclude you are an Israelite who lost his geographic home?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:33pm On Dec 09, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
While the Bible does establish a distinct covenant with Israel that includes particular laws and practices for their worship, it does not suggest that only those within Israel can be regarded as true worshippers of God.

Jethro and the people of Nineveh illustrate elements of genuine worship by acknowledging God’s authority, even though they were from the Median and Assyrian cultures.
Do you think anyone acknowledges the true God today without answering the call to Salat?

Of course not! Because according in Islam that is the only calling that has to do with pure worship acceptable to God. Right?

Same applies to the Israelites back in ancient times any other forms of worship is idolatry as long as it's not according to what God instituted in Israel. If other forms of worship is to be accepted by God then why propagate Islam? Why not leave everyone with the God of their choice? And don't come talking about monotheism because the worshipers of Ògún face only one God just as worshipers of Ṣàngó has only one God.

Ohyoudidnt:
Will I be correct to conclude you are an Israelite who lost his geographic home?
Hilarious!
Well are you an Arab?
Why do you practice the religion of Arabians?
Why calling people to worship in Arabic?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 7:46pm On Dec 09, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Do you think anyone acknowledges the true God today without answering the call to Salat?

Of course not! Because according in Islam that is the only calling that has to do with pure worship acceptable to God. Right?

Same applies to the Israelites back in ancient times any other forms of worship is idolatry as long as it's not according to what God instituted in Israel. If other forms of worship is to be accepted by God then why propagate Islam? Why not leave everyone with the God of their choice? And don't come talking about monotheism because the worshipers of Ògún face only one God just as worshipers of Ṣàngó has only one God.


Hilarious!
Well are you an Arab?
Why do you practice the religion of Arabians?
Why calling people to worship in Arabic?
No, the call to Salat is not the sole fundamental aspect of pure worship that is pleasing to Allah. Although Salat is a key element of worship in Islam, pure worship involves a wider framework that includes sincerity, obedience, and devotion in every aspect of life.

Surah Saba (34:28), Allah says:
"And We have not sent you except comprehensively to mankind as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you." (Surah Al-Hujurat, 49:13).

An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white person has no superiority over a black person, nor does a black person have any superiority over a white person, except by piety and good action.

Very unlike Christianity and Judaism worship or covenants are not tied to a tribe or region which makes a form of racism enter their culture; Islam is not like this.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19pm On Dec 09, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
No, the call to Salat is not the sole fundamental aspect of pure worship that is pleasing to Allah. Although Salat is a key element of worship in Islam, pure worship involves a wider framework that includes sincerity, obedience, and devotion in every aspect of life.
Surah Saba (34:28), Allah says:
"And We have not sent you except comprehensively to mankind as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you." (Surah Al-Hujurat, 49:13).
So a Ṣàngó or Ògún worshiper who is doing all that but ignoring the Salat since he doesn't know your Allah will go to your heaven. Shey?
Guy you don't have to pretend i've been in that religion and i know how important the Salat is in Islam because that's the only reason why you can't condemn Boko Haram no matter the havoc this group is causing as long as they are responding to Salat.

Ohyoudidnt:
An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white person has no superiority over a black person, nor does a black person have any superiority over a white person, except by piety and good action.
Ok why must people travel to Saudi Arabia as part of what your Allah requires?
Why is it that throughout the world the call to prayer in your religion is done in Arabic?
Why is it that there is no Chief Iman whose say is stronger than that of Arabians from other races?
My friend you can say this to someone who knows nothing about Islam simply because i don't like going back into those stuff doesn't mean i have forgotten things that irritates me in that religion.

Ohyoudidnt:
Very unlike Christianity and Judaism worship or covenants are not tied to a tribe or region which makes a form of racism enter their culture; Islam is not like this.
Are you sure?
Guy, why must everyone throughout the earth pray facing Mecca?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:41pm On Dec 09, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
So a Ṣàngó or Ògún worshiper who is doing all that but ignoring the Salat since he doesn't know your Allah will go to your heaven. Shey?
Guy you don't have to pretend i've been in that religion and i know how important the Salat is in Islam because that's the only reason why you can't condemn Boko Haram no matter the havoc this group is causing as long as they are responding to Salat.


Ok why must people travel to Saudi Arabia as part of what your Allah requires?
Why is it that throughout the world the call to prayer in your religion is done in Arabic?
Why is it that there is no Chief Iman whose say is stronger than that of Arabians from other races?
My friend you can say this to someone who knows nothing about Islam simply because i don't like going back into those stuff doesn't mean i have forgotten things that irritates me in that religion.


Are you sure?
Guy, why must everyone throughout the earth pray facing Mecca?
Your usual line. Do you use it to gain praise in JW? For how long were you a Muslim and are you certain it was no more than baring an arabic name?
Boko haram is condemned by Islam. They are widely condemned by mainstream Islamic teachings and by many Muslim leaders around the world. Their ideology does not reflect true Islamic principles but rather represents a radical deviation that has been rejected by most Muslims.

Worshipping Sango and or Ogun is worshipping others instead of or in association with Allah. This is Shirk.
Indeed you claim to know Islam but show you only pretend to know and know not.

Pilgrimage for hajj is a core principle but is not mandatory if you don't have the means. Don't you know this?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41pm On Dec 09, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
Your usual line. Do you use it to gain praise in JW? For how long were you a Muslim and are you certain it was no more than baring an arabic name?
Apart from bowing towards the black stone in Mecca what else is Islam?
Come on, whoever bears Arabic name and is bowing towards the black stone in Mecca is a Muslim the rest is story because all religions teaches people to do good so the only thing that makes a Muslim is Islamic name and bow towards the black stone in Mecca.

Ohyoudidnt:
Boko haram is condemned by Islam. They are widely condemned by mainstream Islamic teachings and by many Muslim leaders around the world. Their ideology does not reflect true Islamic principles but rather represents a radical deviation that has been rejected by most Muslims.
Can you tell me what exactly do Boko Haram does that's not Islamic?
Guy, they are political fighters ready to die for the establishment of Sharia everywhere they go so as long as the government in power is not ready to implement Sharia they keep fighting to sabotage such a government in order to prove that such a government can't protect it's citizens, that's why they are fighting. Is there any other way you people can establish your religion anywhere without such act?

Ohyoudidnt:
Worshipping Sango or Ogun is worshipping others instead of or in association with Allah. This is Shirk. Indeed you claim to know Islam but show you only pretend to know and know not.
Allah is the stone all Muslims bow to in Saudi Arabia just as Ṣàngó is the image his worshipers bow to both are monotheistic Gods and none between the two teaches people to steal or defraud others so what's the difference?

Ohyoudidnt:
Pilgrimage for hajj is a core principle but is not mandatory if you don't have the means. Don't you know this?
So whoever has the means must travel to Mecca for what reason o? undecided
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 3:10am On Dec 10, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Apart from bowing towards the black stone in Mecca what else is Islam?
Come on, whoever bears Arabic name and is bowing towards the black stone in Mecca is a Muslim the rest is story because all religions teaches people to do good so the only thing that makes a Muslim is Islamic name and bow towards the black stone in Mecca.
Good you show yourself that you were never a Muslim. You know absolutely nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you tell me what exactly do Boko Haram does that's not Islamic?
Guy, they are political fighters ready to die for the establishment of Sharia everywhere they go so as long as the government in power is not ready to implement Sharia they keep fighting to sabotage such a government in order to prove that such a government can't protect it's citizens, that's why they are fighting. Is there any other way you people can establish your religion anywhere without such act?
Good you answer yourself. Political fighters are not religious fighters. What do you know about Sharia? Where does Boko Haram say this is their goal?
The version of Sharia you claim they want to establish represents a considerable departure from the core principles of Islam, fundamentally conflicting with the values of justice and social progress highlighted in Islamic teachings.

MaxInDHouse:
Allah is the stone all Muslims bow to in Saudi Arabia just as Ṣàngó is the image his worshipers bow to both are monotheistic Gods and none between the two teaches people to steal or defraud others so what's the difference?


So whoever has the means must travel to Mecca for what reason o? undecided
Is this what you were told in your lie that you were a Muslim?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:46am On Dec 10, 2024
Ohyoudidnt:
Good you show yourself that you were never a Muslim. You know absolutely nothing.
Funny delusion!
Please apart from bowing towards the black stone in Mecca what exactly is unique about Islam that all other religions don't have?

Ohyoudidnt:
Good you answer yourself. Political fighters are not religious fighters. What do you know about Sharia? Where does Boko Haram say this is their goal?
The version of Sharia you claim they want to establish represents a considerable departure from the core principles of Islam, fundamentally conflicting with the values of justice and social progress highlighted in Islamic teachings.
You said "let us reason" so i ask you:
Is Sharia only within the adherents of Islam as you were told or it affects everyone in a society where Muslims makes the majority?
If it's just within the adherents of your religion and not forced on those who wish not to be in your religion do you think it will have any impact?
Ohyoudidnt:
Is this what you were told in your lie that you were a Muslim?
Good! So you're still munching on the things you were told but as you can see i'm thinking wide that's what makes the difference!
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:10am On Dec 10, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
You said "let us reason" so i ask you:
Is Sharia only within the adherents of Islam as you were told or it affects everyone in a society where Muslims makes the majority?
If it's just within the adherents of your religion and not forced on those who wish not to be in your religion do you think it will have any impact?
Good you realise your delusion and attempt to put out a show. Hope your audience is entertained and you feel fulfilled? Is it east coast or west coast? Afrobeat, fusion, nollywood, bollywood or Hollywood?

Monotheism of Islam, is the most pure expression of the faith, focusing on the absolute Oneness of Allah. It prohibits intermediaries in worship and promotes a direct relationship with Allah without saints, clergy, or idols. Islam rejects the Trinity and polytheism, highlighting Allah's attributes without compromising His Oneness. Prophets from Adam to Muhammad convey this message, integrating all aspects of life with sincerity and obedience.

MaxInDHouse:
You said "let us reason" so i ask you:
Is Sharia only within the adherents of Islam as you were told or it affects everyone in a society where Muslims makes the majority?
If it's just within the adherents of your religion and not forced on those who wish not to be in your religion do you think it will have any impact?
When you don't know what the sharia is and how it applies to non muslims you cannot make good statements.

Where in Nigeria is the Sharia actually practiced?
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