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Yorimichi:
i'm writing on the evolution and influence of the Babylonian Exile and its impact on Jewish religious precepts, hopefully it'll be ready by sunday

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Yorimichi:
i'm writing on the evolution and influence of the Babylonian Exile and its impact on Jewish religious precepts, hopefully it'll be ready by sunday

Like I said here some few months ago...the Torah was written by Ezra when they returned home from the Babylonian exile. Mainly from the priestly sources.....The information were changing as time passed....that is why they are two different stories about most event. ...like the creation had two different stories...
Well it is still about the two brothers Esau(Enlil) and Jacob(Enki) and their sons and daughters...
I hope you make the connection.

Captain4Jehovah:
God's word must be handled with delicacy! Genesis 1:3 it's a cap of Genesis 2:7 in conformity with your argument about who God is and his word. It depicts a finished work of God even IF HE DOESN'T SPEAK HIS WORD, HIS SUPREMACY AND WHO HE IS IS ENOUGH for HIS WILL AND PURPOSE TO BE DONE. Consider the ark of Covenant of God in Dogan's house. While Genesis 2:7 talks about a glimpse of the creation process. Consider the making of a vehicle!
Again, Genesis 1 as a whole depicts HOW POWERFUL GOD IS IN COMMANDING THINGS NOT SEEN INTO EXISTENCE. The Bible itself in Genesis 1 informs us of Creation of Adam from WHAT IS AVAILABLE (This is wisdom!) and Eve. What's more? You should understand that MAN IS NOT A FULLY COMPOSED SPIRIT BEING BUT RATHER A SPIRIT BEING IN A MORTAL HOUSE. He is an husbandman, a creator and A PORTAL! He decides what He wants to make and how he wants it be made. If we SEE HIM THUS, it is needless to parade God as inconsistent being in dealing with creation afterall He makes us self creators ourselves!


God created both good and evil even before man's existence. Genesis 2:9 informs us about this. Why would the all knowing and loving God create such good and evil even before man came into existence? Do understand that evil had been present on earth before man's creation going by Genesis 1:1 and John 8:44! And who is that? Satan! He was defeated and thrown down to earth. Evil was not created by Him in heaven, His abode. Satan created one from HIS SELF WILL. Do understand that his defeat was before the creation of heaven, sky, firmament and earth!
Again, I was made to understand that MAN IS A PROJECT OF GOD JUST LIKE JESUS WAS WHEN IN HUMAN flesh. This means THERE IS A PURPOSE FOR EACH CREATURE EXISTENCE ON EARTH JUST LIKE EVERY HERB AND ANIMAL ON EARTH! Jesus was tempted by Satan himself as he did to Eve and Adam was romanced by his wife. Had he failed, it would have been the end of God's eternal plan. This is one reality about WHO GOD IS.
So, Isaiah 45:7 does not inform us about present creation of good and evil as at the time of the prophecy(prophecy speaks about the past, present and the future), it refers to Genesis 2:9.
In the same vein since evil is ever present before any of us were born, it does not MAKE sense to see God inconsistent in His words and evil as well. Since evil is ever present with us, we should not see Him as a wicked being like Satan. If He shows Himself as wicked, it means we ourselves have been wicked as rotten fruits which can't be eaten.

Satan is not like God....He can't change the will of God. Everything that happens whether good or bad happens because it is the will of God. Satan is the air. The Lord of the air. The yourubas call them Orishas the Bible refers to them as "the sons of God"..the devil on the other hand is the Lord or the prince of darkness. ...and Lucifer is the so called queen of heaven, the orisha of love, death,war and destruction.

Yorimichi:
we can not make bold assertions about God rejecting any of his creation

We can. That is the essence of studying a person/Person.

Yorimichi:
we can not make bold assertions about God rejecting any of his creation

We can. That is the essence of studying a person.

God has already revealed Himself and He has shown that He never changes. So as He did to Esau , so did He to Saul and so did He to Solomon.

Thus it is certain and guaranteed that He shall do same to anybody who is like them today.

Dtruthspeaker:
We can. That is the essence of studying a person.

God has already revealed Himself and He has shown that He never changes. So as He did to Esau , so did He to Saul and so did He to Solomon.

Thus it is certain and guaranteed that He shall do same to anybody who is like them today.

You don't seem to be familiar with Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:1-3

Dtruthspeaker:
Whom God rejects can never be brought back eg Esau, Saul, Solomon etc

that kind of view is too malapert, to assume a full comprehension and understanding of the mind of God to make such claims as to speak or judge in place of God

Yorimichi:
that kind of view is too malapert, to assume a full comprehension and understanding of the mind of God to make such claims as to speak or judge in place of God

Ignore him..

He is our resident lunatic.
I have volunteered to pay for his treatment...

He has not agreed yet. I wish I know his house, I would come and chain him up.

Yorimichi:
You don't seem to be familiar with Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:1-3

See sinners Creed. S
You just remind me as,i was passing a bar some stupid looking young prostitutes were shaking their filthy asses chanting one stupid statement that ends with "don't Judge" while it seems they were videoing themselves.

What rubbish. Now i know that this "dont judge" is meant to stop people from condemning them and this has even made them increase their sinning to not bearable portions.

If you were more than familiar with it then you would have seen that He Said many many things in that statement. One of which is that we are judged already and we shall be judged whether we want it or not.

And secondly, if you don't get anything from that statement, there is one thing you got, which is you already know you are guilty and condemned, which clearly means that you do not want to repent but you choose to live in and with your sins and to keep sinning.

Yorimichi:
that kind of view is too malapert, to assume a full comprehension and understanding of the mind of God to make such claims as to speak or judge in place of God

God Said He does not change and His acts prove it, so i can indeed tell you whom God has rejected, can never ever be brought back again.

Abraham tried it for sodom and gomorrah, it did not work.

Moses tried it for his people, still failed.

Samuel tried it for Saul, Eff is what he got!

God has Said it, He is The LORD, He will never change".

sonmvayina:
Ignore him..

He is our resident lunatic.
I have volunteered to pay for his treatment...

He has not agreed yet. I wish I know his house, I would come and chain him up.

lol

Dtruthspeaker:
God Said He does not change and His acts prove it, so i can indeed tell you whom God has rejected, can never ever be brought back again.

Abraham tried it for sodom and gomorrah, it did not work.

Moses tried it for his people, still failed.

Samuel tried it for Saul, Eff is what he got!

God as Said it, He is The LORD, He will never change".

This is misleading!

sonmvayina:
Satan is not like God....He can't change the will of God. Everything that happens whether good or bad happens because it is the will of God. Satan is the air. The Lord of the air. The yourubas call them Orishas the Bible refers to them as "the sons of God"..the devil on the other hand is the Lord or the prince of darkness. ...and Lucifer is the so called queen of heaven, the orisha of love, death,war and destruction.

What an awful concoction of lies.
This is pure hullabaloo!

sonmvayina:
Like I said here some few months ago...the Torah was written by Ezra when they returned home from the Babylonian exile. Mainly from the priestly sources.....The information were changing as time passed....that is why they are two different stories about most event. ...like the creation had two different stories...
Well it is still about the two brothers Esau(Enlil) and Jacob(Enki) and their sons and daughters...
I hope you make the connection.

All this billy Carson proteges filled with all sort of misleading convoluted exegesis.

Explore2xmore:
This is simply a sign of respect and love for him, as well as acknowledging the significant role he played in propagating the message of Islam

Hmm how fascinating?
You don't see scientists say "peace be upon Einstein" for he brought to us relativity.

Even the Jews don't say "peace be upon Moses" and that's saying a lot😂😂😂.

Allah must be so caring🤨 to instruct you guys to pray for the prophets of old.

Gabrielshow24:
This is misleading!

if it was truly misleading you would have pointed out the misrepresentation.

Dtruthspeaker:
if it was truly misleading you would have pointed out the misrepresentation.

A simple contradiction to your claims is the grafting in of the gentiles!

According to scriptures Israel is the Lord's chosen, the rest were technically "rejected" 👀 but look at us now🫠.

Sodom and Gomorrah is because they didn't repent, they were headstrong althought earmarked for destruction if they had humbled themselves before God then surely they would have been spared!

God is ever loving and merciful!

"Isaiah's message to the king got reverted because the king prayed"

So many instances of cast aways being returned back to God and yet God receives them.

What you wrote up there was an oversimplification of biblical facts omitting mercy and grace!

Gabrielshow24:
All this billy Carson proteges filled with all sort of misleading convoluted exegesis.

You have not said anything meaningful..

Or you just don't want to learn?

You won't grow..

Gabrielshow24:
What an awful concoction of lies.
This is pure hullabaloo!

It only shows that you are brain washed. And don't want to use your brain ...


I just pity you..

Make research...the Internet is not only for watching porn. It seems that's all you do...

sonmvayina:
It only shows that you are brain washed. And don't want to use your brain ...


I just pity you..

Make research...the Internet is not only for watching porn. It seems that's all you do...

Unlike you I don't watch porn it seems that's what you do hence the prerogative to be inclined to think such of others!

Contrary to your statement you are the one not using your brain.

sonmvayina:
You have not said anything meaningful..

Or you just don't want to learn?

You won't grow..

I compared you to the so called "world leading expert of ancient text", billy Carson, which is just some crony posing around with false texts and beliefs!

Just like him all your sources are false or non existent!

You both are like your father the devil!

Gabrielshow24:
A simple contradiction to your claims is the grafting in of the gentiles!

According to scriptures Israel is the Lord's chosen, the rest were technically "rejected" 👀 but look at us now🫠.

Sodom and Gomorrah is because they didn't repent, they were headstrong althought earmarked for destruction if they had humbled themselves before God then surely they would have been spared!

God is ever loving and merciful!

"Isaiah's message to the king got reverted because the king prayed"

So many instances of cast aways being returned back to God and yet God receives them.

What you wrote up there was an oversimplification of biblical facts omitting mercy and grace!

Read well, God Said through Isreal the of famillies and nations of the earth will be saved.

That means time God chose 1 to save All!

Which is why He Said "Isreal is my first born". So who is the second and third? Especially when you remember that Abraham is himself a gentile.

so you are wrong.

Secondly, did you see God Say He did not want to have anything to do with Hezekiah, when He sent Isaiah to him? Unlike Saul and Solomon where He did not even send any prophet to them again?

Don't let thieves and Liars,and adulterers deceive you, God's Grace and Mercy has a time limit.

This explanation below negates your initial statement. You had to explain to make it seem right at face value what you wrote before was hocum! and your explanation isn't really satisfying!

Dtruthspeaker:
Read well, God Said through Isreal the of famillies and nations of the earth will be saved.

That means time God chose 1 to save All!

Which is why He Said "Isreal is my first born". So who is the second and third? Especially when you remember that Abraham is himself a gentile.

I don't think so, if both had repented they would have been saved. That's the oversimplification your initial statement failed to address!

Dtruthspeaker:
so you are wrong.

Secondly, did you see God Say He did not want to have anything to do with Hezekiah, unlike Saul and Solomon where He did not even send any prophet to them again?

Gabrielshow24:
This explanation below negates your initial statement. You had to explain to make it seem right at face value what you wrote before was hocum! and your explanation isn't really satisfying!

It does not for you obviously did not know and remember that Abraham was a gentile like us, thus as you said God chose Isreal and techinically rejected gentiles, then he too is rejected.

So you see you fell here.

Gabrielshow24:
I don't think so, if both had repented they would have been saved. That's the oversimplification your initial statement failed to address!

See it, you really do not have any valid thing to say for you can see that whilst God sent a prophet to Hezekiah He did not do so to Saul after He had told Samuel that He has even rejected him.

And after that, never again did God return to Saul even though saul "repented"/repented.

Esau even repented genuinely and yet God never took him back!

Clearly, repentance has a time limit!

Dtruthspeaker:
It does not for you obviously did not know and remember that Abraham was a gentile like us, thus as you said God chose Isreal and techinically rejected gentiles, then he too is rejected.

So you see you fell here.



See it, you really do not have any valid thing to say for you can see that whilst God sent a prophet to Hezekiah He did not do so to Saul after He had told Samuel that He has even rejected him.

And after that, never again did God return to Saul even though saul "repented"/repented.

Esau even repented genuinely and yet God never took him back!

Clearly, repentance has a time limit!

Very misleading initial statement!
The covenant to Abraham was from him to his lineage!

It started from him!
God chose Abraham and his lineage which became a nation called "Israel"

Do you now understand?

Show me the verse where esau repented to God?

And also that of Saul when the spirit left him?

Gabrielshow24:
Very misleading initial statement!
The covenant to Abraham was from him to his lineage!

It started from him!
God chose Abraham and his lineage which became a nation called "Israel"

Do you now understand?

Show me the verse where esau repented to God?

And also that of Saul when the spirit left him?

You are just moving post. Now you are trying to raise Abraham's lineage of which both Isaac and Ishmael are of it, yet God chose Isaac and you can see He has nothing with Ishmael, clearly rejecting him especially as he was a seed born out of adultery. (Another example of a person rejected and cast out)

Then Isaac had Twins! Esau and Jacob meaning both are equal in rights and strength.

And both were equally blessed with even Esau being blessed more than Jacob for he already have prospered and established a city even before the Jacob.

So, the question that should have occurred to you is what did Esau do, that made God hate him and made Him utterly destroy and wipe out Esau?

And you asked where did Esau repent. See Hebrews 12/17.

And for Saul, see 1 Samuel 15:24/25.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just moving post. Now you are trying to raise Abraham's lineage of which both Isaac and Ishmael are of it, yet God chose Isaac and you can see He has nothing with Ishmael, clearly rejecting him especially as he was a seed born out of adultery. (Another example of a person rejected and cast out)

Then Isaac had Twins! Esau and Jacob meaning both are equal in rights and strength.

And both were equally blessed with even Esau being blessed more than Jacob for he already have prospered and established a city even before the Jacob.

So, the question that should have occurred to you is what did Esau do, that made God hate him and made Him utterly destroy and wipe out Esau?

And you asked where did Esau repent. See Hebrews 12/17.

And for Saul, see 1 Samuel 15:24/25.

The first part of this speech is the usual straw man fallacy I have no business with Ishmael, you brought up "Abraham being gentile was rejected l" and I showed you that the scriptures states that he was the recipient of the covenant and the seed of the covenant was towards Isaac not Ishmael that biblical standard.

The two verses you pointed out just shows moral obedience of God's word and the consequences/judgement for breaking God's word.

Also the self same Esau was well to do!
As recorded when he and Jacob crossed.

This is what am saying as regards your oversimplification.
All what you committed here is hasty generalization!

And your statement doesn't differentiate between judgement and rejection!

Gabrielshow24:
The first part of this speech is the usual straw man fallacy I have no business with Ishmael, you brought up "Abraham being gentile was rejected l" and I showed you that the scriptures states that he was the recipient of the covenant and the seed of the covenant was towards Isaac not Ishmael that biblical standard.

The two verses you pointed out just shows moral obedience of God's word and the consequences/judgement for breaking God's word.

Also the self same Esau was well to do!
As recorded when he and Jacob crossed.

This is what am saying as regards your oversimplification.
All what you committed here is hasty generalization!

And your statement doesn't differentiate between judgement and rejection!

Were you not the one who brought up "Abraham's lineage" saying "God chose Isreal rejecting the gentiles" which I rebutted by reminding you that Abraham was a gentile?

You clearly do not have any valid thing to say which is why now you see you cannoy counter, you are now cryong claiming fallacy.

Dtruthspeaker:
Were you not the one who brought up "Abraham's lineage" saying "God chose to Isreal rejecting the gentiles" which I rebutted by reminding you that Abraham was a gentile?

You clearly do not have any valid thing to say which is why now you see you cannoy counter, you are now cryong claiming fallacy.

It seems you have forgotten your initial sentiments.

Let me remind you, You said what God reject cannot be brought back.

I brought up the examples of the gentiles though originally rejected but are now part of Israel whether spiritually or physically that is a story for another day.

You claimed that Abraham was a gentile and as a result he too was rejected.

Which I showed that Abraham being a gentile was the recipient of the Covenant but you were rather quick to mention Ishmael 👀.

Do you see you have me mistaken?

You committed the fallacy of undistributed middle.

Gentiles were rejected.
Abraham was a gentile.
Hence Abraham was rejected!

Can you see how fallacious your statement was?
Negating the fact that Abraham was the recipient of the Covenant!

Gabrielshow24:
It seems you have forgotten your initial sentiments.

Let me remind you, You said what God reject cannot be brought back.

I brought up the examples of the gentiles though originally rejected but are now part of Israel whether spiritually or physically that is a story for another day.

You claimed that Abraham was a gentile and as a result he too was rejected.

Which I showed that Abraham being a gentile was the recipient of the Covenant but you were rather quick to mention Ishmael 👀.

Do you see you have me mistaken?

You committed the fallacy of undistributed middle.

Gentiles were rejected.
Abraham was a gentile.
Hence Abraham was rejected!

Can you see how fallacious your statement was?
Negating the fact that Abraham was the recipient of the Covenant!

You are the one who just raised the issue of Abraham's lineage" and "God chose Isreal rejecting the gentiles",

Now, you i have reminded you, you are going further back, clearly meaning you have nothing for, everything you and i have said to each other is clearly stated here and the argument moved forward.

And if you had anything to say it would move forward. But your going backwards clearly means that you have nothing to say on this issue, raising a supposed fallacy whereas, you are the one who created the situation and trying to move post to an issue that is not the topic that is "Abraham was the recipient of the Covenant",

Please rest, you have nothing further to say, so you are trying to crea new grounds for argument.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who just raised the issue of Abraham's lineage" and "God chose Isreal rejecting the gentiles",

Now, you i have reminded you, you are going further back, clearly meaning you have nothing for, everything you and i have said to each other is clearly stated here and the argument moved forward.

And if you had anything to say it would move forward. But your going backwards clearly means that you have nothing to say on this issue, raising a supposed fallacy whereas, you are the one who created the situation and trying to move post to an issue that is not the topic that is "Abraham was the recipient of the Covenant",

Please rest, you have nothing further to say, so you are trying to crea new grounds for argument.

I am trying to correct your oversimplification!

your posits, logically doesn't make sense.

Your initial premise didn't meet the standard of non-contradiction and hence as a result fails.

That's why I brought up a simple counter - gentiles, as far as Israel is concerned, children of Ishmael are technically gentiles, and were initially rejected!!!

Now through Christ all can be saved, whether Jew or gentile!!!

That's what your oversimplification failed to accommodate!!!

As touching Abraham.
Your logic also fails although gentile, he was chosen of God and the recipient of the covenant.

And I have outlined earlier the false equivocation you have made which goes along this line.

"Gentiles were rejected".
"Abraham was a gentile".
Hence "Abraham was rejected".

was Abraham rejected 👀 according to the bible?
No!

Can you see the errors in your oversimplification?