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Sand2022:
So you think that fixing a definite date the kingdom will come is the same as having a sense of urgency?

Sand2022:
Since it is tricky to know an anointed of God only through miraculous works, I was wondering if there is any prophet in our time that is known for unfailing Prophecy. Do you know any?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you're just deceiving yourself all this while claiming you have studied the Bible with holy Spirit.

If anointed of God could only be known through miraculous works why did Jesus say it's not the criterium? Matthew 7:21-23

Why did Jesus say false prophets will perform miracles that may confuse the REAL anointed? Matthew 24:24

Is it possible for a maker of counterfeit money to produce naira notes that will confuse those in charge of printing real money?
Shouldn't the printer of real money know all its features so that he could recognize it anywhere?

Guy you don't know anything better go back to the Kingdom Hall and humbly accept a Bible study from Jehovah's Witnesses, tell them how you've missed your route on the spiritual journey!

Sand2022:
Don't tell me you don't understand that sentence. The sentence says opposite of what youre attacking. Check it once more.

MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist had such a FIXED DATE in mind though he never mentioned it that's why he questioned Jesus' credentials when Jesus didn't come to rescue him in prison yet John believed the end of badness is here after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3


Many first century Christians also had such a FIXED DATE in mind when Jesus told Peter saying:

“If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” John 21:22

The rumor went round among first century Jewish disciples of Christ that Jesus will come back to establish God's Kingdom before the death of apostle John! John 21:21-23


They had such a FIXED DATE in mind though they never mentioned it that's why they asked him if God's Kingdom will be given to Israel immediately after Jesus' resurrection! Act 1:6

So if it's a crime to anticipate a FIXED DATE in mind for the end of badness then John the baptist and Jesus' disciples are guilty!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy only the Governing Body qualifies to be anointed of God all others rely on miracles as that's what their followers are looking for!

Sand2022:
John had a fixed date, though he never said it. How then do you know if he never said it?

Sand2022:
I think you should be researching the publications before you comment. You're making errors that even Watchtower can not make.

Sand2022:
It is true that Jews, including Jesus disciples thought that Messiahs coming will usher in the kingdom. That was the belief probably as taught by the Rabbis.

Actually the Messiah will usher in the kingdom according to the prophecy at Isaiah 9. But when he will do so no one knows. They didn't have any fixed date. It was just expectation just as we do have today about God's kingdom.

Sand2022:
Secondly, John 21 is not about John the Baptist. It's about apostle John, the writer. Even that is not a fixed date. Who knows when John will die?

Sand2022:
In summary, there was a high sense of urgency and expectation at the time, but they didn't have any fixed date when the kingdom will come. And all there expectation was not by calculating dates and fixing when the kingdom will come, it was just a normal human curiosity. JWs fixing dates was not a sense of urgency, but misinterpretations of the scriptures

Sand2022:
But they never had any fixed date in mind. There was a high sense of urgency during that time because of how they understand the law and prophets.

Sand2022:
Oga, you have not answered me. So you do not understand the sentence? if you now understand it, you should be apologizing for your misguided attack on me. And not switching to something else I never brought up.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy only the Governing Body qualifies to be anointed of God all others rely on miracles as that's what their followers are looking for!

MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist QUESTIONED Jesus' credentials because Jesus didn't rescue him as he thought. Matthew 11:2-3


That's to show you i'm making my own personal research apart from what Watchtower says. Are you now convinced that it's not just whatever Watchtower says?


So his disciples also got confused based on the fixed date they all had in mind after confirming he is the Messiah they thought the Kingdom will come immediately after his resurrection! Act 1:6


I never said it's about John the baptist i specifically mentioned John the apostle and the RUMOUR went round among BELIEVERS that John will not die until Jesus return {John 21:21-23} abeg when Jesus returns what exactly will happen according to beliefs of faithful and loyal disciples of Christ?



So how come such sense of urgency never meant John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth who caused it weren't termed FALSE PROPHETS as you're now saying about Jehovah's Witnesses?
Is it not the same sense of urgency they created in the minds of faithful people back then?



Guy stop lying to yourself!

High sense of urgency means FIX DATING since believer can never think it will take more than a century before God's Kingdom comes the way John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth delivered their message! Matthew 3:2; 4:17

Sand2022:
Nawa o. Oga if there is a fixed date, which date is that? In the case of JWs, we know the date they fixed. So which date did John and Jesus disciples fix?

MaxInDHouse:
There you go deceiving yourself!
Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century Apostles or Governing Body fixed any date it's all about sense of urgency misconstrued by many as fixed date.
But if you don't agree please quote any of the publications of the Watchtower where a date is fixed e.g 18/12/2024 that any publication of Watchtower mentioned apart from anticipation like first century Jewish disciples of Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
Seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ
what a fearful twisting false jw you are, aren't you
false jw's named many specific years for prophecy's such as armageddon etc. to happen
they all of course failed, so they named other specific years when more prophecies will happen
they too all failed of course
you have seen them on other threads, but are such a denier of truth, aren't you
why don't you ask me to prove what i say and post some of them here
i'll be happy to

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not stupid you should know that ex-jws should know better and be able to present a real fixed date found in the publications of Watchtower not just stories from Paul Grundy who is deceiving you with lies.
Wait and see if any former JW could present a publication of Watchtower where a fixed date was mentioned instead of seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses up and down the forum!

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.

Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

johnw47:
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, of course you even deny quotes from your own publications,
you are fully entrenched in lying, just like your father the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Without Jehovah's Witnesses you have no life.

MaxInDHouse: Check out your comments for the past eight months it's only about Jehovah's Witnesses showing that without us you're lifeless!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not stupid you should know that ex-jws should know better and be able to present a real fixed date found in the publications of Watchtower not just stories from Paul Grundy who is deceiving you with lies.
Wait and see if any former JW could present a publication of Watchtower where a fixed date was mentioned instead of seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses up and down the forum!

Sand2022:
Since it is tricky to know an anointed of God only through miraculous works, I was wondering if there is any prophet in our time that is known for unfailing Prophecy. Do you know any?

MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist had such a FIXED DATE in mind though he never mentioned it that's why he questioned Jesus' credentials when Jesus didn't come to rescue him in prison yet John believed the end of badness is here after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3


Many first century Christians also had such a FIXED DATE in mind when Jesus told Peter saying:

“If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” John 21:22

The rumor went round among first century Jewish disciples of Christ that Jesus will come back to establish God's Kingdom before the death of apostle John! John 21:21-23


They had such a FIXED DATE in mind though they never mentioned it that's why they asked him if God's Kingdom will be given to Israel immediately after Jesus' resurrection! Act 1:6

So if it's a crime to anticipate a FIXED DATE in mind for the end of badness then John the baptist and Jesus' disciples are guilty!

MightySparrow:
Defending the imperfect perfect organization again? None of the people qouted by you fixed any dates.. Don't deceive us.
Which dates did they fix? The date fixers are William Miller who worked together with C. T. Russell, who predicted the return of Jesus in 1844.When the prediction failed, Russell parted ways with Miller. Russell also towed the path of Miller The 1914 you touted now originall6was Miller's idea. He started fixing dates ffluke! , then recently, Harold Camping, who died about ten years ago.
All date fixers failed. Then jw.org publications bullying with the idea of a Jesus who only appeared to their leader upon being crowned in heaven.. A thing Jesus warned that we should be careful of those who would say Jesus is in their corner, they are the only privileged to have him in their possession.
Matt.24.22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matt.24.23 - Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matt.24.24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt.24.25 - Behold, I have told you before.
JW.org even built a house for Abraham. Abraham an American
Since the Jehovah's Witnesses built a house in California in the 1920s called Beth Sarim for Abraham Isaac, etc to live in. . that shows us how sure they were concerning their prediction. Then Harold Camping lately. I remember a dear brother, a sincere fellow, who upon the day following the day Jesus was to ' return I think 2012, March 21, I called him very early in the morning of 22ńd, mocking him if he disappeared overnight. .
Abeg, getouta here.

MaxInDHouse:
Please QUOTE a publication of Watchtower in which a specific date was mentioned regarding the end of the world.

That's the assignment i gave the OP because it is evident that he's just obsessed with Jehovah's Witnesses supporting whatever anyone says against the organization so i'm waiting for any of you to present that then we'll have something to discuss but as for now you guys are just making noise.

Thanks in advance!

paxonel:
There is no such prophet!
And by the way, what do you need that kind of a prophet for, you are more important to your life than prophecies and spiritual entertainments

MightySparrow:
Fixing dates is what is important here as Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in the end of the world but a rehabilitated earth, Jehovah's Witnesses' paradise.

Anyway, 1914, 1975 is about what, for what? Not date fixing?

MaxInDHouse:
He wants a sorcerer who will tell him what will happen tomorrow e.g the result of baba ijebu lottery so he can become a millionaire overnight.

You people don't understand why this guys are complaining about God's organization.

They don't want to face the reality that others in the faith are facing what each of them is indirectly saying:

"No one should speak about God's Kingdom in my ears again since it's not coming in time, all i want to know is my own future and what i'm living for, i need to become rich now and enjoy myself"

This is what each ex-jw is saying in their hearts but instead of uttering it out they are attacking the only organization that's reminding them of the URGENCY of God's Kingdom, note that this OP is claiming PIMO among Jehovah's Witnesses that means a faithless person who is disguising in the midst of faithful people.

WHY?

They don't want to miss out in anything faithful people are benefitting but at the same time they detests the faith!

MaxInDHouse:
Just QUOTE any publication of Watchtower in which a specific date was mentioned regarding what you are saying.

Thanks in advance.

paxonel:
[color=#990000][b]The op's current condition is far better than your miserable deceptive organization yes or no?

paxonel:
You know the truth you don't want to accept.
How long have you been a jw, since you were born abi?

paxonel:
When your ideology is not working towards the truth to make your life happy,

MightySparrow:
Unfulfilled Watch Tower Society predictions
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Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society publications have made a series of predictions about Christ's Second Coming and the advent of God's kingdom, each of which has gone unfulfilled. Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918, and 1925 were later reinterpreted as a confirmation of the eschatological framework of the Bible Student movement and Jehovah's Witnesses, with many of the predicted events viewed as having taken place invisibly. Further expectations were held for the arrival of Armageddon in 1975.

English researcher George D. Chryssides has argued that although there have been some "unrealized expectations", changes in Watch Tower chronology are attributable more to changed chronological schemes, rather than to failed predictions.[1] The Watch Tower Society has acknowledged errors, which it said helped "sift" the unfaithful from its ranks, but says adherents remained confident that "God's Word" had not failed.[2]