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Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly your madness will always prevail hence you just must speak like a stupid mad person

MaxInDHouse:
You can't run away using insults as cover this time Jesus with his father along with all his disciples are One! John 17:22

Dtruthspeaker:
Sed more display of madness thereby proving that jws are mad people.

MaxInDHouse:
Who is not mad from your viewpoint?

Guy whether you like it or not Jesus said himself with his father and his disciples are One! John 17:22

Insults won't save your face today!

Dtruthspeaker:
You are mad from everbody's view point and your mad repetitions is just proving it more and more! So keep your showing that jws turn their people to mad people.

thorpido:
Indeed he never confused His listeners because the Jews knew what He meant.

In the very next verse;
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. The Jews who heard Him(and they were religious scholars)knew what he meant and that was why they accused Him of blasphemy.He called Himself God.They knew what He meant when He said 'I and My Father are One'.

seguntijan:
➜The Internet has been vibrating about a recent banner in front of Lekki Central Mosque. What that mosque printed is true and violates no authentic Scriptural beliefs. It only offended church dogma, which are ideas that emanate from a congregation rather than Scripture. Yeshua, Whom you call Jesus, is not God. It is an abomination to call Him God. He is the Way to God-John 14:6. But He is not the Destination. There is only One God, and He has no equal or partner-Deuteronomy 6:4. It is that One God who sits on the Throne, and He is above Yeshua-John 14:28. Yeshua never called Himself God. John 1:1 does not mean He is God. He Himself prayed to God-Matthew 27:46, Matthew 26:39, John 11:41-42. Yeshua is also subject to God-1 Corinthians 15:28. Finally, if you say, 'I do not believe in prophet Muhammad's message', no Muslim will be offended. But if you insult their prophet, they may find out your true identity (your identity here is obviously fake), take action, and I will NOT condemn them! Thanks again, and may God give us wisdom.

Dtruthspeaker:
See more display of madness thereby proving that jws are mad people.

This Speaker guy nah nutcase.
Jesus said himself (Jesus),the disciples& his Father are One, John 17:21

John 17:21
"That all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us

MaxInDHouse:
You're expecting me to join you rolling in the quagmire of shame but i won't allow you change the subject.

Jesus said himself, his father and his disciples are One. John 17:22

Next time you won't engage me with no scriptural knowledge!

Michael547:
The Jews mistakenly thought[/b]that Jesus meant that he was the Almighty God by saying that he and the Father are one and that he is the son of God.

Below is John 10:36

King James Bible
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, [b]I am the Son of God?

thorpido:
Mistakenly thought kwa?
You guys know how to dribble!

Believe the word of God.

Michael547:
Kindly show me in John 10 where Jesus claimed to be the Almighty God.

thorpido:
In 10:28,Jesus said, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. Who can give eternal life except God?

Again in 10:38......He said they you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father... He was talking about His divinity in those words.

Originally,those words,'I and My Father are One' still point to that.Remember the Jews knew what He meant with those words.

thorpido:
Indeed he never confused His listeners because the Jews knew what He meant.

In the very next verse;
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. The Jews who heard Him(and they were religious scholars)knew what he meant and that was why they accused Him of blasphemy.He called Himself God.They knew what He meant when He said 'I and My Father are One'.

Dtruthspeaker:
Good counter.

But, No Christian could walk on water or ascend to heaven. Wheras, Jesus did and can do everything His Father does So let us see if you can validly counter!

seguntijan:
A govt hospital in Lagos would place a bible at a Muslim’s bedstead and pretend it is normal.

Aemmyjah:
What did he mean?
That he is the Father or that he is equal to the father?

seguntijan:
A govt hospital in Lagos would place a bible at a Muslim’s bedstead and pretend it is normal.

thorpido:
Crap arguments above.^^^
They cherry pick scriptures but will not wind together the scriptures to get a full picture.

When he said,I and My Father are One(John 10:30) ,they won't see that.

Janosky:

This Speaker guy nah nutcase.
Jesus said himself (Jesus),the disciples& his Father are One, John 17:21

John 17:21
"That all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me

seguntijan:
Both Jesus and John Taught Us That Jesus Is Not The Almighty God

Yeshua (Jesus) clearly said he was not God but, in fact, had a God (the God). He said so in John 20:17.

Yeshua also said that there is no equality between Him and God. You find that in John 14:28.

John the Baptist also said, "no man hath seen God at any time" (John 1:18). Yet John the Baptist had not only seen Yeshua; he was also talking about Him.

If John was looking at Yeshua and at the same time saying, "No man hath seen God", what does that tell you?

I said this to someone, and they quoted the second part of that verse, which in some translations says, "But the one and only Son, who is himself God" as evidence that Yeshua is God.

The truth is that that statement is not in the oldest copy of the Book of John. Now, assume I am a liar and fact-check me.

Any translation that uses that additional statement in John 1:18, "who is himself, God," will usually include a footnote that reads something like this: 'Older manuscripts do not say so.'

Other translations, such as the King James Version, refuse to use that part of the sentence.

Instead of insulting, criticising, or swearing for me, open to John 1:18 in your Bible and verify or debunk what I wrote.

The challenge many people have is that they think the Bible was written in English. It was not. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.

That is why some people quote Isaiah 9:6 as evidence that Yeshua is God Almighty.

That verse was written in Hebrew and when you translate from Hebrew to English, things get lost in translation.

That verse reads as follows:

For unto us, a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

However, the Hebrew word used in that verse is el. That word does not mean Almighty God. There is a Hebrew word for that. There is a difference between Almighty God and Mighty God.

The God that sits on the Throne, whom Yeshua refers to in John 20:17, is not a Mighty God. He is the Almighty God.

The Hebrew word el, used in Isaiah 9:6 and translated as Mighty God (אֵ֣ל), is the singular of the Hebrew word Elohim.

In Hebrew, plurals are not suffixed with an s. Rather, they end with im. For instance, one angel is a cherub, and multiple angels are cherubim.

If an angel has intercourse with a human, they produce an offspring called a Nephil or Naphil. Multiple of such children are called Nephilim.

Now, the word el used in Isaiah 9:6 is simply el. When Hebrews want to use that word to refer to the God who sits on the Throne, they pluralise it as Elohim.

It is similar to how Lukumi Yoruba will say o șe (thank you) to a young man. But when speaking to an elder, they pluralise it and say e șe. The plural is a sign of respect.

Another example is what is called the royal we. European monarchs do not refer to themselves as 'I'. Please fact-check me. They speak of themselves as 'We'.

For example, King Charles III will not say, 'I am happy with you'. Prince William can. But King Charles III will say, 'We are happy with you'.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, Elohim could refer to multiple gods together, such as Molech, Baal and Dagon, which will be collectively called Elohim.

But when they want to refer to the one God on the Throne, they use the term Elohim as a mark of respect.

An example is Genesis 1:1, which starts with 'In the beginning God created'. The Hebrew word used there is Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֑ים), which, as you can see, is different from the el (אֵ֣ל) used in Isaiah 9:6.

So please, don't just say, 'Rubbish', 'Nonsense', 'Go and sit down', 'Rest', or any of the usual things you say when you cannot counter factual statements.

Instead, shame those racists who say that if you want to hide anything from a Black man, put it in a book. Go and read. Maybe if you read more, you will know God more.

Brenbentondiaz:
Oook. And Jesus said His followers would do greater works than Him. Meaning they would become greater God, right?