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MaxInDHouse:
All these are rumours and heresay just QUOTE one publication where a specific date is mentioned as the end of badness or wicked world.

That's all!

We are discussing unfulfilled prophecies and date fixing.here not end of the world. This is just a means diversion .

MightySparrow:
We are discussing unfulfilled prophecies and date fixing.here not end of the world. This is just a means diversion .

Here you go again, is it not about Armageddon you just mentioned?
OK QUOTE a publication of Watchtower where the specific date of Armageddon will take place!

MaxInDHouse:
Here you go again, is it not about Armageddon you just mentioned?
OK QUOTE a publication of Watchtower where the specific date of Armageddon will take place!

I don't have anything to say about Armageddon. I am talking about date fixing. Are you claiming you have not fixed dates before?

MaxInDHouse:
Never! I'm happy with the organization with which i worship and can boldly claim i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere i go, your friend is hiding in the organization and dying in silence because he doesn't want to go nor stay. Now SINCERELY answer your own question: who is better between the two?

He is better because he iis seeing the light gradually and will soon leave finally.
But you, you are still engrossed in delusion

The truth is i'm one of the global family of peace loving worshipers foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:4!

mention one place in the bible were jw was mentioned if you are not being deluded by ideas of ordinary men you are far better than, that are governing jw?

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It is my guy, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses i have families in almost all the countries around the world if not for the restrictions by human government i can travel to any of these countries and i will get a warm welcome from Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world! Mark 10:29-30

now you know that the human governments that jw is teaching you people to hate so much are controlling your jw organization and can put restrictions on you and all of you jw must obey the governments.
Because you people are confused.

That's what your friend doesn't want to loose otherwise nothing is stopping him from joining other religions claiming Christians!

He has nothing to loose if he leaves because he will also become friends to human governments and be free from unnecessary bondage

MightySparrow:
I don't have anything to say about Armageddon. I am talking about date fixing. Are you claiming you have not fixed dates before?

He is trying to dodge the failed 1914 Armageddon date

paxonel:
He is trying to dodge the failed 1914 Armageddon date

Artful Dodger.

Sand2022:
Don't tell me you don't understand that sentence. The sentence says opposite of what youre attacking. Check it once more.

That guy na so so lies and manipulations full his brains

See this.....

John the baptist had such a FIXED DATE in mind though he never mentioned it that's why he questioned Jesus' credentials when Jesus didn't come to rescue him in prison yet John believed the end of badness is here after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3

Ask am the fixed date now, he will start more lies and manipulations. They will just assume and speculate nonsense into the Bible and call it TRUTH

MightySparrow:
We are discussing unfulfilled prophecies and date fixing.here not end of the world. This is just a means diversion .

His usual tactics when cornered

Sand2022:
John had a fixed date, though he never said it. How then do you know if he never said it?

I think you should be researching the publications before you comment. You're making errors that even Watchtower can not make.

It is true that Jews, including Jesus disciples thought that Messiahs coming will usher in the kingdom. That was the belief probably as taught by the Rabbis.

Actually the Messiah will usher in the kingdom according to the prophecy at Isaiah 9. But when he will do so no one knows. They didn't have any fixed date. It was just expectation just as we do have today about God's kingdom.

Secondly, John 21 is not about John the Baptist. It's about apostle John, the writer. Even that is not a fixed date. Who knows when John will die?

In summary, there was a high sense of urgency and expectation at the time, but they didn't have any fixed date when the kingdom will come. And all there expectation was not by calculating dates and fixing when the kingdom will come, it was just a normal human curiosity. JWs fixing dates was not a sense of urgency, but misinterpretations of the scriptures.


But they never had any fixed date in mind. There was a high sense of urgency during that time because of how they understand the law and prophets.

Thanks for the response jare

If not for lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains.

MaxInDHouse..... 7:48 pm December 17

John the baptist had such a FIXED DATE in mind though he never mentioned it that's why he questioned Jesus' credentials when Jesus didn't come to rescue him in prison yet John believed the end of badness is here after baptizing Jesus! Matthew 11:2-3

Same MaxInDHouse...... 8:57 pm December 18

There you go deceiving yourself!

Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century Apostles or Governing Body fixed any date it's all about sense of urgency misconstrued by many as fixed date.

Still looking for publications that shows your religious organization setting and fixing dates that when shown you will run or look away as if they are not your religious organization publications.

paxonel:
He is better because he iis seeing the light gradually and will soon leave finally.

Let him leave first!

MaxInDHouse:
Here you go again, is it not about Armageddon you just mentioned?
OK QUOTE a publication of Watchtower where the specific date of Armageddon will take place!

"false prophets so called Jehovah's witnesses have a reputation for failing prophecy"


lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, here is one in awake which is published by watchtower
not a specific date but a false prophecy just the same

awake
1968 - "Armageddon will be within a few years at most "

"within a few years at most there will take place a climax in human affairs so gigantic that it will affect every person on earth, every man, woman and child. It will, without fail, affect you. What is this climax? God himself will take a direct hand in world affairs. He will use his overwhelming power to crush wickedness and wicked people. (Rev. 11:18) This act of God is called "Armageddon" in some Bible versions... Time is fast running out for it! It is much later for this world than you may think! Indeed, it has only a few more years of existence left!

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

"false prophets so called Jehovah's witnesses have a reputation for failing prophecy"

another one:
armageddon was to be just months after sept. 1941

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288


and another one, specific years for the start and the end of armageddon:
The End the "Day of Vengeance" (Armageddon)
Armageddon, also referred to as the Day of Vengeance, and the Battle of the Great Day, was to end in October 1914.

"we have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914." Studies In the Scriptures - The Day of Vengeance 1911ed pp.546,547

Studies in the Scriptures; Charles Taze Russell

paxonel:
There is no such prophet!

And by the way, what do you need that kind of a prophet for, you are more important to your life than prophecies and spiritual entertainments

Lol. They are rare, but some have had such reputation in the past.

As I progress in my scriptural studies, I am beginning to see that what is unfailing prophecy might not be what I think. What I think is a failed prophecy might in fact have fulfilled differently.

MaxInDHouse:
There you go deceiving yourself!

Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century Apostles or Governing Body fixed any date it's all about sense of urgency misconstrued by many as fixed date.

But if you don't agree please quote any of the publications of the Watchtower where a date is fixed e.g 18/12/2024 that any publication of Watchtower mentioned apart from anticipation like first century Jewish disciples of Christ!

I don't think that in English the phrase "fixed date" must be a fixed day. A fixed date can mean a fixed year or month. From your escapee reply, I want to believe that you agree that the apostles never set any date for the kingdom to come.

Sand2022:
I don't think that in English the phrase "fixed date" must be a fixed day. A fixed date can mean a fixed year or month. From your escapee reply, I want to believe that you agree that the apostles never set any date for the kingdom to come.

Were they expecting the Kingdom during their lifetime?
If so then they have surely FIXED a day or month or year because what they have in mind will always reflect in their conversation with a relatives who is not a Christian or neighbour.

Sand2022:
I don't think that in English the phrase "fixed date" must be a fixed day. A fixed date can mean a fixed year or month. From your escapee reply, I want to believe that you agree that the apostles never set any date for the kingdom to come.

He is finding it difficult to backtrack or get choked up on his lies. He has to keep defending that nonsense of John and the disciples having a fixed date in mind to defend the nonsense of Russell their so called Governing Body members

MaxInDHouse:
Were they expecting the Kingdom during their lifetime?
If so then they have surely FIXED a day or month or year because what they have in mind will always reflect in their conversation with a relatives who is not a Christian or neighbour.

Just to advance the lies and manipulations that Jehovah's Witnesses are right in fixing dates

MaxInDHouse:
Were they expecting the Kingdom during their lifetime?
If so then they have surely FIXED a day or month or year because what they have in mind will always reflect in their conversation with a relatives who is not a Christian or neighbour.

If they ever fixed a year, a month or whatever, there is no way to reach that conclusion from the scriptures. A high expectation is already in the land. The Jews see the Messiah as one who will liberate them from Roman captivity and establish his kingdom, but that Jesus disciples fixed a date cannot be concluded from what they said.

John 21 might be a possibility that some expected the kingdom during John's lifetime. But can we call that a fixed date? I doubt. who knows how long John will live? Even John who wrote the epistle sounded as if he himself didn't even reach that conclusion himself. He pointed out what Jesus actually said and what some concluded from what he said. So did all, as God's organization at the time teach that the kingdom will come during johns lifetime? No, obviously John didn't see it so. But did some concluded so, yes. How long did that expectation last? We don't know, but there is nothing in the other books of the new testament that suggests that these lasted a long time, and never did any preach such a doctrine. It was never officially agreed by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem.

So I don't see how one will find any first century parallel to the organization's fixing dates for the kingdom coming and even announcing it in public preaching. God's people in Bible times didn't do that.

Sand2022:
If they ever fixed a year, a month or whatever, there is no way to reach that conclusion from the scriptures. A high expectation is already in the land. The Jews see the Messiah as one who will liberate them from Roman captivity and establish his kingdom, but that Jesus disciples fixed a date cannot be concluded from what they said.

"But we were hoping that this man was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred. Luke 24:21

That is what his disciples said!

So they had a FIX DATE about the end of badness in mind!

Sand2022:
Lol. They are rare, but some have had such reputation in the past.

As I progress in my scriptural studies, I am beginning to see that what is unfailing prophecy might not be what I think. What I think is a failed prophecy might in fact have fulfilled differently.

Well, in Christianity there is only one prophecy that should concern Christians and that prophecy is Christ.

Every other prophecies we think is coming from pastors concerning our immediate lives and future fortunes are all fake

paxonel:
Well, in Christianity there is only one prophecy that should concern Christians and that prophecy is Christ.

Every other prophecies we think is coming from pastors concerning our immediate lives and future fortunes are all fake

Christ is the central figure that all prophecies point to. So all true prophets emphasize that. But they tell about the future as well.

MaxInDHouse:
"But we were hoping that this man was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred. Luke 24:21

That is what his disciples said!

So they had a FIX DATE about the end of badness in mind!

Ok, perhaps I missed it, what actually is the date there?

achorladey:
He is finding it difficult to backtrack or get choked up on his lies. He has to keep defending that nonsense of John and the disciples having a fixed date in mind to defend the nonsense of Russell their so called Governing Body members

And I don't see how one can make that happen from the scriptures.

Sand2022:
Since it is tricky to know an anointed of God only through miraculous works, I was wondering if there is any prophet in our time that is known for unfailing Prophecy. Do you know any?

There is none. Prophecy or prediction of the future is not an easy task. Even genuine prophets don't find it easy. The prophetic office or ministry is one of the most complicated and misunderstood ministry. Although, genuine prophets predictions or prophecies do come to pass but not all the time because the prophet might misunderstand or misinterprete his visions or what he heard. Even false prophets do give accurate prophecies or predictions even though their source may not be from God.

Sand2022:
But they tell about the future as well.

of what vail, to show that they are soothsayers?

Truvelisback:
There is none. Prophecy or prediction of the future is not an easy task. Even genuine prophets don't find it easy. The prophetic office or ministry is one of the most complicated and misunderstood ministry. Although, genuine prophets predictions or prophecies do come to pass but not all the time because the prophet might misunderstand or misinterprete his visions or what he heard. Even false prophets do give accurate prophecies or predictions even though their source may not be from God.

That's very true. This is why I say that what I think is failed prophecy might have fulfilled differently. It is very difficult office to operate. But what I have come to understand is that gift also differs. Some receive prophecies in more clearer way than others. Prophets that see clearer are very very few. One prophet says that God told him that such clearer prophets are just seven in the whole world, and He didn't even tell him there names. He was only trying to guess who occupy such office.

I have heard Sid Roth say he knows just one of such prophets, but that he doesn't operate on social media. He doesn't allow his service to be covered on camera. Now could that man be among the seven? No one knows.

I am generally interested in what my God is doing in my lifetime, so I enjoy searching for such people, even I don't find them, it's part of my spiritual journey.

paxonel:
of what vail, to show that they are soothsayers?

If God gives this gift to men, we need to speak well of it, right?

Sand2022:
And I don't see how one can make that happen from the scriptures.

Except inputing ready made assumptions, speculations and eisegesis into the explanation of the scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
"But we were hoping that this man was the one who was going to deliver Israel. Yes, and besides all these things, this is the third day since these things occurred. Luke 24:21

That is what his disciples said!

So they had a FIX DATE about the end of badness in mind!

Still forcing lies and manipulations packed into his brains into the scripture

paxonel:
Well, in Christianity there is only one prophecy that should concern Christians and that prophecy is Christ.

Every other prophecies we think is coming from pastors concerning our immediate lives and future fortunes are all fake

Revelation 19:10.....

Yes, “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires [or, is the whole inclination, intent, and purpose of] prophesying

Sand2022:
Christ is the central figure that all prophecies point to. So all true prophets emphasize that. But they tell about the future as well.

Yes, “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires [or, is the whole inclination, intent, and purpose of] prophesying

When the future is equally about the messiah and his kingdom.