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Bede2u:
Iran

I see IPOB identifying with Isreal in the hope it will gain it favour and by extension, its support. However Isreal does not operate that way. Isreal has no foreign policy of arming groups. Besides Isreal has no problems with Nigeria and gains nothing from arming a group against the state of Nigeria. Israel is looking for legitimacy.

Iran on the other hand has armed capable groups in Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Palestine. These are just the ones popularly known.
And make no mistakes, Iran is a very powerful country. Isreal may currently be winning against it but that is because of America and EU. Iran is one of those countries that stand on their own. It is also a cradle of civilisation and one of the richest countries in the world. It makes many of its own weapons and is the leader of the global Shi'ite movement and a potential superpower.
Also Iran has a beef with Nigeria and has incentive to interfere. Nigeria has persecuted Shiites before. Also Iran may want to secure a foothold in Africa.
If IPOB becomes a Shiite movement, it may successfully secure the support of Iran and change its reputation and strength, even if majority of Biafrans remain Christians. With Iran's support, the Alawiit of Syria which comprised only just about 20% of Syria ruled that country for over 50 years. Waiting for American or Jewish support for Biafra is of no consequence, they won't go against British interests. And neither will Russia help, they dont arm non-governmental groups as much as Iran. These countries have zero incentive to go against Nigeria
However we know IPOB will rather fail than go Islamic...so go figure 🙄

Great points you made but however I am against killing innocent Yoruba and Hausa masses and soldiers for Biafra to be actualized because that would be the first victims of the onslaughts if those guys lay their hands on Iranian superior weapons, missiles, fighter jets, rocket propellers etc. I prefer exploring diplomatic channels even if it takes 20 years . That is how many countries have been able to achieve theirs. I remember Nigerians laughing at Camerounians and reading for armed onslaught against Cameroun over bakassi but they went to court. It took them 20 years but at the end of the day they got Oil rich bakassi ahead of Nigeria. From Ojukwu to Uwazuruike to Nnamdi Kanu to Simon Ekpa, there is no evidence that they have brought the case of Biafra to United Nations because they are mostly concerned with exception of Ojukwu of raising millions of dollars and pocketing under the guise of actualizing Biafra while in their hearts they are not interested in Biafra. There was a lady that started Biafran agitation online after Kanu arrest, the money she raised within a few months dumbfounded her so much that she chickened out of it. Reno supported Nnamdi Kanu for only a few months before his arrest but the money he made in that short period of time enabled him travel almost all over the world, same about billions Ekpa have made etc so the current agitations you see today is a conduit pipe to siphon money for Biafran cause but not to actually actualize Biafra. We need to follow it through the right channel if Biafra is what every or most Igbos want

Ojiofor:
Taliban and Iran share common border.Nigeria navy controls our water ways and the ocean.
They can only help by giving financial assistance but ideologically speaking IPOB can't work with Iran.

ideologically speaking is the main thing. Other things you wrote don't follow. Even oil smugglers are beating our navy not to talk of a sophisticated state like Iran. I repeat it to the roof, if they decide to arm a group in Nigeria, forget it. They will do it.

Bede2u:
lol, every single country on earth has developed better than their 1960s state. The problem is that while most countries in Asia and southern Africa has had accelerated growth, Nigeria's growth has been painful to watch. The road you see today here, you may not see tomorrow. The infighting and tribalism got worse etc. Regional governments maybe the other alternative but Nigerian governments have kept playing around this. Maybe outright disintegration is the next best thing

You have just said a whole lot of NOTHING.

Utter nonsense and trash.

Nigeria is standing, and is developing FAST, and is going nowhere.

rinzaugustine:
Great points you made but however I am against killing innocent Yoruba and Hausa masses and soldiers for Biafra to be actualized because that would be the first victims of the onslaughts if those guys lay their hands on Iranian superior weapons, missiles, fighter jets, rocket propellers etc. I prefer exploring diplomatic channels even if it takes 20 years . That is how many countries have been able to achieve theirs. I remember Nigerians laughing at Camerounians and reading for armed onslaught against Cameroun over bakassi but they went to court. It took them 20 years but at the end of the day they got Oil rich bakassi ahead of Nigeria. From Ojukwu to Uwazuruike to Nnamdi Kanu to Simon Ekpa, there is no evidence that they have brought the case of Biafra to United Nations because they are mostly concerned with exception of Ojukwu of raising millions of dollars and pocketing under the guise of actualizing Biafra while in their hearts they are not interested in Biafra. There was a lady that started Biafran agitation online after Kanu arrest, the money she raised within a few months dumbfounded her so much that she chickened out of it. Reno supported Nnamdi Kanu for only a few months before his arrest but the money he made in that short period of time enabled him travel almost all over the world, same about billions Ekpa have made etc so the current agitations you see today is a conduit pipe to siphon money for Biafran cause but not to actually actualize Biafra. We need to follow it through the right channel if Biafra is what every or most Igbos want

Well, colonial borders in Africa has only been successfully changed twice. Bakassi was not one of them. Bakassi was never Nigerias. It was under our control but was never gazetted as ours on any colonial records.
The two cases of south sudan and Eritrea were both by armed struggle. There are more internationally recognised claims to self determination, such as Palestine, or the Kurds etc. Is it Biafra that UN will leave all these to listen to? On what basis?
In Africa today, Somaliland has been independent for decades but unrecognised. Even independent Northern Cyprus is unrecognised. No UN will give you Biafra. Only Nigeria can. And currently, Nigeria doesn't want to negotiate its unity. So basically if you want it, you fight for it. Full stop.

Bede2u:
just? All change in government is a quest for a shift in elitism. The whole idea of a coup or deposition is to change who call the shots. It is not 'just'

The likes of Nnamdi Kanu, Simon Ekpa and co do not have such capacity even within the SouthEast. These guys can't even influence a change of government within any of the SouthEastern states. In fact, there's no evidence of any form of positive development in the S/East anchored by ipo.b. Only armed gangs who intimidate and kill poor, striving citizens in the name of sit-at-home. They can't even take the sit-at-home madness to their government houses.

jazzman7711:
You have just said a whole lot of NOTHING.

Utter nonsense and trash.

Nigeria is standing, and is developing FAST, and is going nowhere.

Nigeria is not fast developing. Nigeria is not even among the top 20 fastest developing economies in Africa. But I like your patriotism. Hope your patriotism is to Nigeria and not to your ethnic group, otherwise toh

NaMe4:
The likes of Nnamdi Kanu, Simon Ekpa and co do not have such capacity even within the SouthEast. These guys can't even influence a change of government within any of the SouthEastern states. In fact, there's no evidence of any form of positive development in the S/East anchored by ipo.b. Only armed gangs who intimidate and kill poor, striving citizens in the name of sit-at-home. They can't even take the sit-at-home madness to their government houses.

they can influence a change of government. Hell, they brought sit at home and it has been largely followed for 3 years. If they flex that change of government muscle, they will achieve it. They however play as being above Nigerian politics.
One thing about Nigeria and Nigerians is they underestimate a security threat. Only a typical Nigerian would write off kanu and ipob as not being influential. Hezebolah had an army stronger than Lebanese military but never interfered in the governance of lebanon

Bede2u:
Eritrea defeated Ethiopia with the help of Italy despite Ethiopia getting support of Soviet union. South Sudan defeated Sudan
And Somilland defeated Somalia.

The writing of the history of African borders has not finished my friend. Sovereign states collapse all the time, even the almighty soviet union

So you don't understand how international politics works right now.
You think any country even the world powers would want to have issues with Nigeria?
How old are you again

Exousiang01:
So you don't understand how international politics works right now.
You think any country even the world powers would want to have issues with Nigeria?
How old are you again

Lol this is very funny and laughable. You are the one I should be telling this to.
As we are currently speaking, many countries are arming groups in other countries to cause mayhem, to achieve certain objectives your apparently small mind won't comprehend. Nigeria is currently not a top 3 economy in Africa. Nigeria is currently not a top 3 oil producer in Africa. Why would a world power feel so particularly averse to having issues with Nigeria?
Nigeria is under the protection of UK as its founder. Countries that align with or fear UK will not want to interfere in Nigeria. But that does not include countries such as Iran, China and Russia etc. They will interfere if they want and nothing will happen

jazzman7711:
See his dummy head like “Singapore”.

A UNIQUE city-state with a totally different geopolitical experience from any country in Africa.

You have absolutely NO CLUE how and why Singapore came to be developed, or the unique forces that drove its industrialisation.

You just know that “Singapore” is developed, therefore any tiny mushroom community anywhere on Earth can easily transform itself into a “Singapore”.

A ludicrously naïve, simplistic conceptualisation of development.

Singapore’s neighbours and brothers, from Cambodia to Myanmar, Nepal, Laos, Mongolia, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka, have mysteriously been unable to replicate a “Singapore” in their own lands.

Have you ever asked yourself why?

No.

It is your IPOB thug - led “Biafra” thousands of miles away in West Africa that will transform itself into “Singapore”.

Just like that.

Ewu Singapore.

Well it's good to see that you could not make a single case why Nigeria should be.

Case closed

jazzman7711:
But in 1960 a footpath led to your village. Do you think the British built roads for you?

Was your entire village not illiterate in 1960?

Did you have mansions in your villages like you have today, while cursing and hating the independent Nigeria that made that possible?

Was it not just mud huts and thatched roofs in your village in 1960?

Did anybody there know what electricity was?

How many public schools did the British build for you before independence?

Name the industries, power stations and universities they built?

Do you know it amounts to ZERO?

Ewu.

Without independence in 1960, you would be a stark illiterate peasant, and malnourished village farmer, palmwine tapper or hunter today, so STFU.

Colonial mentality is a terminal disease

All this one knows is that the British came from Europe to rain bombs and bullets on his ancestors so as to put them in Colonial project they called "Nigeria"

And as a result of that, everyone in that British colonial project must be Nigerian forever

Bede2u:
Lol this is very funny and laughable. You are the one I should be telling this to.
As we are currently speaking, many countries are arming groups in other countries to cause mayhem, to achieve certain objectives your apparently small mind won't comprehend. Nigeria is currently not a top 3 economy in Africa. Nigeria is currently not a top 3 oil producer in Africa. Why would a world power feel so particularly averse to having issues with Nigeria?
Nigeria is under the protection of UK as its founder. Countries that align with or fear UK will not want to interfere in Nigeria. But that does not include countries such as Iran, China and Russia etc. They will interfere if they want and nothing will happen

so with the diplomatic relationship China and Russia has with one of the strongest nations in Africa you think they will throw that away for a nobody like Biafra in the middle of war....
Every nation wants a strong partner, These nations will not destroy their relationship with a string nation Nigeria for a mushroom nobody community like Biafra.

Or you don't know why Nigeria was invited to the last BRICS meeting in SA before this previous one in Russia?

The BRICS need the power houses in every continent not some government in exile with less that a 1000 troops and zero global economic influence....
Like I asked earlier, How old are you.
You don't seem to know anything about international politics.
You think Iran with what they are facing right now will come to help Biafra

Are you even educated?
Don't you know the process of getting independence?
Don't you know it's your house of Assembly and national assembly members that would push for it?

Who do you think will loss if a war breaks out?
You thinl you 5 local governments can hold the Nigerian Armed forces
You must be less than 5years old

Exousiang01:
so with the diplomatic relationship China and Russia has with one of the strongest nations in Africa you think they will throw that away for a nobody like Biafra in the middle of war....
Every nation wants a strong partner, These nations will not destroy their relationship with a string nation Nigeria for a mushroom nobody community like Biafra.

Or you don't know why Nigeria was invited to the last BRICS meeting in SA before this previous one in Russia?

The BRICS need the power houses in every continent not some government in exile with less that a 1000 troops and zero global economic influence....
Like I asked earlier, How old are you.
You don't seem to know anything about international politics.
You think Iran with what they are facing right now will come to help Biafra

Are you even educated?
Don't you know the process of getting independence?
Don't you know it's your house of Assembly and national assembly members that would push for it?

Who do you think will loss if a war breaks out?
You thinl you 5 local governments can hold the Nigerian Armed forces
You must be less than 5years old

Lots of insults, little substance. Typical of a Nigerian.
First of all, countries have supported countries to break up in Africa in the past. Somalia, Sudan and Ethiopia all broke up by groups that got foreign support. Also countries go against allies all the time. When the South Africa wanted to Anex Lesotho and Namibia, UK refused. Even though South Africa has a large British population.

Russia and China may not be interested in fighting Nigeria today. However tomorrow may be another matter. Nigeria being invited to a BRICS meeting is of little consequence. Nigeria is not part of Brics and Nigeria does not hold any strategic importance to either Russia or China today. They may not interfere because Biafra means little or nothing to them.

However Iran can interfere, has the capacity to interfere and has the incentive to Interfere. What they are facing today makes it even more pertinent for them to arm more proxies around the world and expand their influence. That is the only way their regime can survive. The Biafran territories have oil and gas that would appeal to them. And being able to defeat a Western-backed government in Africa sends a strong message to the west that Iran is not defeated.

Lol Nigeria has said over and over they would not negotiate its unity. This simply means that no political mediums to achieve Biafra, only military ones.

Bede2u:
Lots of insults, little substance. Typical of a Nigerian.
First of all, countries have supported countries to break up in Africa in the past. Somalia, Sudan and Ethiopia all broke up by groups that got foreign support. Also countries go against allies all the time. When the South Africa wanted to Anex Lesotho and Namibia, UK refused. Even though South Africa has a large British population.

Russia and China may not be interested in fighting Nigeria today. However tomorrow may be another matter. Nigeria being invited to a BRICS meeting is of little consequence. Nigeria is not part of Brics and Nigeria does not hold any strategic importance to either Russia or China today. They may not interfere because Biafra means little or nothing to them.

However Iran can interfere, has the capacity to interfere and has the incentive to Interfere. What they are facing today makes it even more pertinent for them to arm more proxies around the world and expand their influence. That is the only way their regime can survive. The Biafran territories have oil and gas that would appeal to them. And being able to defeat a Western-backed government in Africa sends a strong message to the west that Iran is not defeated.

Lol Nigeria has said over and over they would not negotiate its unity. This simply means that no political mediums to achieve Biafra, only military ones.

Okay now I see you are a child.
Please go and read for your WAEC

Exousiang01:
Okay now I see you are a child.
Please go and read for your WAEC

Throwing insults about does nothing but expose you as someone to be ignored. My last reply to you

Chibuzoc:
Iran that helped the zoo to bomb Biafra in 1967?
Nigeria should keep supporting Hamas in UN conventions

Every country that has ever existed supported the zoo against Biafla, including the Roman empire, the Greek empire, the Chaldeans, and the Byzantine empire. I even read somewhere that Biafla supported the zoo against Biafla.

gidgiddy:
Colonial mentality is a terminal disease

All this one knows is that the British came from Europe to rain bombs and bullets on his ancestors so as to put them in Colonial project they called "Nigeria"

And as a result of that, everyone in that British colonial project must be Nigerian forever

Was there any country called “BIAFRA” before the colonial invaders came?

Did Igbos even regard themselves as one people?

NO THEY DID NOT.

They WARRED against each other.

You lived in INDEPENDENT CHIEFDOMS which regarded their fellow Igbo-speaking neighbours as FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

So this your nonsensical “Igbo kwenu” tribalism and “Biafra” sentiment itself is a DIRECT FUNCTION AND PRODUCT OF BRITISH COLONIALISM.

Nigeria as presently constituted can and will be the world’s FIRST GENUINE BLACK SUPERPOWER since Ancient Egypt and Nubia of the pharaohs.

jazzman7711:
Was there any country called “BIAFRA” before the colonial invaders came?

Did Igbos even regard themselves as one people?

NO THEY DID NOT.

They WARRED against each other.

You lived in INDEPENDENT CHIEFDOMS which regarded their fellow Igbo-speaking neighbours as FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

So this your nonsensical “Igbo kwenu” tribalism and “Biafra” sentiment itself is a DIRECT FUNCTION AND PRODUCT OF BRITISH COLONIALISM.

Nigeria as presently constituted can and will be the world’s first genuine black superpower since Ancient Egypt.

Can? Yes. Will be? Probably not. Because our best days are fast going behind us. We are gradually losing our economy. It would take a major restructuring to start growing economy again. We also have not managed to put aside our differences after 64 years of independence. We are still as Awolowo described us, 'a mere geographical expression'
Also 3 nations were brought together in 1960 to federate and form Nigeria. Gowon destroyed that by creating 12 states. Successive fulani military men managed to up that to 36 mushroom states that struggle monthly to pay salaries. Monthly minimum wage is less than 50 dollars and even that is hard for these states to pay on time. States created simply to share oil money and give undue advantage to North

jazzman7711:
But in 1960 a footpath led to your village. Do you think the British built roads for you?

Was your entire village not illiterate in 1960?

Did you have mansions in your villages like you have today, while cursing and hating the independent Nigeria that made that possible?

Was it not just mud huts and thatched roofs in your village in 1960?

Did anybody there know what electricity was?

How many public schools did the British build for you before independence?

Name the industries, power stations and universities they built?

Do you know it amounts to ZERO?

Ewu.

Without independence in 1960, you would be a stark illiterate peasant, and malnourished village farmer, palmwine tapper or hunter today, so STFU.

You should STFU. Everything you mentioned can be said about 3-4 Asian countries in the same 1960 that we were even better than some. But today they're are light years ahead of us in everything you use to measure human development. Why are we not like those countries, those are our mates that we got the same independence together.

Isreal arms kurdish separatist and they are their natural alien in the mid west .

Heard of PKk,YPG and persmerga?

AK481:
Isreal arms kurdish separatist and they are their natural alien in the mid west .

Heard of PKk,YPG and persmerga?

no. Explain

gidgiddy:
Don't worry about that. Years of corruption, mismanagement, insecurity, political instability, suffering and deprivation is only leading Nigeria to inevitable collapse and disintegration

Then everyone can finally go their way

I don't see anything called Nigeria existing in 5 years

you are a funny guy....people are gettin rich in nigeria till today....
go and explain your wahala to people that achieved whealth in nigeria....