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Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by JuicyEarth: 3:04pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ok still on your analogy..
Abia North is made of who and who?
Abia South is predominately Ngwas
Abia Central is Ngwa and Umuahia, right? If Umuahia people have ruled is it not Logical for someone of the other divide to rule to balance the equation?
Don't you think is greed that will make someone from Abia North to rule/ have stake more in the state than those whom you believe are in the majority? What justifies that?

You said we should leave history of Abia out of this, then what's the essence of living. If not from history, where did you get the notion that Ngwa people are more clannish than your people? Did politics just started off oblivion? These your subsumed colonial creation are they not in existence? Even in the fourth Republic where majority votes is important, why promote power rotation?
Ojiofor:
Let us concentrate on politics of Abia and leave tantrums for now.
We are nolonger living in colonial times when Igboland was divided in old Bende and Aba divisions....We are in the fourth republic where senatorial zones have constitutionally replace the old order.So old Bende and Aba division is nolonger in existence.

In 1999 Abia elders had a gentleman's agreement for sake of equity and justice to rotate power among the 3 senatorial zones so called Aba division was part of that agreement only to selfishly change the rules of the game in the middle of a match in the name of old Bende and Aba division that is being clannish.
Aba and Umuahia was a colonial creation and we in Abia North see the two cities as a collective heritage of nde Abia state and we have contributed a lot to its development.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor:
JuicyEarth:
Now sequel to the above reply,

Is your fear that of the Local Government Areas that will remain in Abia state or that the goose that lays the golden egg is pulled out from Old Bende's whims? Just like the oil that grease the wheel of Nigeria is in Southern Nigeria so it is with the Ngwas in Abia State. State your truth and stop profiling people as clannish. Tomorrow you will fight hard here, when Igbos are been profile as ritualist, drug barons and all evils in their bag.

Until there is a paradigm shift in thinking, you will continue to emotinally justify your wrong submissions. Tomorrow it will be "Wawa people" or "Deje people".

Just like Obasanjo said "Atiku to be president? I laugh" Old Bende region will keep developing Ngwa region just same way una believe say "Igbos are developing Lagos ".
As far as Aba remains in Abia state we have no problems in developing it.What is wrong in one developing his state?
Aside from Aba what else does an Ngwa man have?Our villages can never be compared with villages in Ngwaland.
The oil and gas is found in Ukwa west which is Ndoki land.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by JuicyEarth: 3:15pm On Sep 30, 2024
At this point I will stop engaging you but refer you to BIR ask them what each Local Government contribute as revenue to the state, move to Ministry of Lands and Housing abd ask what the Ngwa region have to offer to the state. Did you just ask, "Aside from Aba what else does an Ngwa man have?"
Bro you are talking with someone who is in the known about happenings in your state.
Which part of Ngwaland is comparable to development, table land and security to Bende, Isiukwuato, Umunneochi and Ohafia axis of your state?
Calm bro, make I no go give others wetin to use attack Abia later.
Ojiofor:
As far as Aba remains in Aba state we have no problems in developing it.What is wrong in one developing his state?
Aside from Aba what else does an Ngwa man have?Our villages can never be compared with villages in Ngwaland.
The oil and gas is found in Ukwa west which is Ndoki land.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 3:23pm On Sep 30, 2024
JuicyEarth:
Ok still on your analogy..
Abia North is made of who and who?
Abia South is predominately Ngwas
Abia Central is Ngwa and Umuahia, right? If Umuahia people have ruled is it not Logical for someone of the other divide to rule to balance the equation?
Don't you think is greed that will make someone from Abia North to rule/ have stake more in the state than those whom you believe are in the majority? What justifies that?

You said we should leave history of Abia out of this, then what's the essence of living. If not from history, where did you get the notion that Ngwa people are more clannish than your people? Did politics just started off oblivion? These your subsumed colonial creation are they not in existence? Even in the fourth Republic where majority votes is important, why promote power rotation?
Where did I say you should forget history?Read well before you reply.
Look Abia central is partly Ngwa and partly Umuahia, so you want to be rotating power between Abia central and Abia south?
Ochendo who is from Abia central handed over to Abia south in the spirit of power rotation and Abia south at the end of their tenure supposed to return power to Abia north where it started but rather Ikpeazu schemed to return it back to Abia central leaving Abia north behind.

We are not in colonial time any more you have to embrace reality.There are communities which was under Bende division that are found in Cross Rivers and Ebonyi state today.And there communities in Aba division found in Imo state and River state today,shall we invite then to come and take their turn?how can we be talking about division in this era?
Let me tell you that without power rotation Abia south will find it very difficult to win governorship election in Abia state,you can take this to the bank.It is in favour of Abia south and nde Ngwa to rest that gentleman's agreement.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op): 5:17pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ojiofor:
As far as Aba remains in Abia state we have no problems in developing it.What is wrong in one developing his state?
Aside from Aba what else does an Ngwa man have? Our villages can never be compared with villages in Ngwaland.
The oil and gas is found in Ukwa west which is Ndoki land.
Which of Your village.
How I wish every LGA in Abia state will be asked to start generating money to pay their workers.
You guys always hide under Abiriba to claim what you are not.
You have got nothing in your rural LGA.
You made mention of oil, well Abia has not invested much in oil exploration.
Searching for black gold (crude oil) in your zone is equivalent to searching for oil in Sambisa forest.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by CJStarz: 5:24pm On Sep 30, 2024
Adiola:
you reason like a Yoruba man
Because you hate the thought of Ngwa people having their own state?
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 6:20pm On Sep 30, 2024
OnoVegasBlog:
Which of Your village.
How I wish every LGA in Abia state will be asked to start generating money to pay their workers.
You guys always hide under Abiriba to claim what you are not.
You have got nothing in your rural LGA.
You made mention of oil, well Abia has not invested much in oil exploration.
Searching for black gold (crude oil) in your zone is equivalent to searching for oil in Sambisa forest.
All the villages in Bende to Ohafia,Arochukwu to Isuikwuato etc ...not just Abariba..Have you been to Igbere,Alayi,Ozuitem ...Ovim.
Kponkponkon you have no single cup of crude oil in Ngwaland.If everybody start developing their towns and villages and leave Aba for nde Ngwa Aba will become a typical Ngwa village.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op): 6:26pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ojiofor:
All the villages in Bende to Ohafia,Arochukwu to Isuikwuato etc ...not just Abariba..Have you been to Igbere,Alayi,Ozuitem ...Ovim.
Kponkponkon you have no single cup of crude oil in Ngwaland.If everybody start developing their towns and villages and leave Aba for nde Ngwa Aba will become a typical Ngwa village.
I have been to Ihechiowa in Arochukwu, they don't even have good soil for cultivation.
Which Bende, is it Mkpa, or Alayi ?
Mkpa very poor. Or do you want to hide under Igbere that was built by OUK.
You guys got nothing. Apart from Abiriba nothing is in Abia north. The evidence is clear.
Just empty noise making.
Split the state let know who is who. Paras1te
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 6:44pm On Sep 30, 2024
OnoVegasBlog:
I have been to Ihechiowa in Arochukwu, they don't even have good soil for cultivation.
Which Bende, is it Mkpa, or Alayi ?
Mkpa very poor. Or do you want to hide under Igbere that was built by OUK.
You guys got nothing. Apart from Abiriba nothing is in Abia north. The evidence is clear.
Just empty noise making.
Split the state let know who is who. Paras1te
Nkpa is better than any village in rural Ngwa land.They also have a very good fertile expanse of land for farming and they are called the land of professors for a reason.The current APC Abia state chairman Dr Ononogbu is from there and secretary of Nigeria Labour Congress Comrade Emma Ugboaja too and many others.Nobody is splitting Abia state of 17 LGAs only while Imo state have 27 LGAs it is not possible so stop day dreaming.God bless the God's own state!

You want to split Abia state because Ngwa sponsored PDP candidate failed in last election grin
Alex Otti is Ngwa man too grin after his 8 years that will be 16 good years of uninterupted nde Ngwa rule and hopefully power will return to Abia north at the end of Alex Otti's tenure grin.Kponkponkon chegharia inu. grin
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by ANON333: 7:30pm On Sep 30, 2024
RESOLVE WHAT ONGOING PROBLEMS?!
ETITI STATE BEATS OTHERS BY A LONG MARGIN THOUGH I'D PREFER THEY REVIEW THE AFFECTED LGAS AND INCLUDE THE UMUIMENYI PART FROM BENDE LGA.
A BRAND NEW CIVIL SERVICE, LGA SECRETARIATS, HOA & NA CONSTITUENCIES, TERTIARY INSTITUTIONS, FEDERAL ALLOCATIONS (AKA NATIONAL CAKE), AND ALL ROUND HUMAN AND INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR BONA FIDE 100 PERCENT TRUSTED HINTERLAND IGBO COMMUNITIES.
waternogetemeny:
THE 6TH STATE CREATION IS FOR SE, NOBODY IS GIVING SS 7 STATES.

ONLY THE NW HAVE 7 STATES


ALSO, GET ALL THOSE OTHER STATES OUT OF YOUR HEAD.


STATES ARE NOT CREATED FOR FUN OR FOR THE SAKE OF IT.


THEY ARE CREATED TO RESOLVE ONGOING PROBLEMS.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 7:37pm On Sep 30, 2024
ANON333:
RESOLVE WHAT ONGOING PROBLEMS?!
ETITI STATE BEATS OTHERS BY A LONG MARGIN THOUGH I'D PREFER THEY REVIEW THE AFFECTED LGAS AND INCLUDE THE [b]UMUIMENYI PART [/b]FROM BENDE LGA.
A BRAND NEW CIVIL SERVICE, LGA SECRETARIATS, HOA & NA CONSTITUENCIES, TERTIARY INSTITUTIONS, FEDERAL ALLOCATIONS (AKA NATIONAL CAKE), AND ALL ROUND HUMAN AND INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR BONA FIDE 100 PERCENT TRUSTED HINTERLAND IGBO COMMUNITIES.
Umuimenyi clan joining their Isu brothers in Etiti state will not be a bad idea.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by ANON333: 7:42pm On Sep 30, 2024
OnoVegasBlog:
That will be the choice of Ukwa people to make, I won't even mind if Umuahia and Even Mbaise to be part of it.
The problem is we don't want you guys from Abia north. You are developers go and develop Abia north.
Ngwa people know the people the share historical affiliation with and they are Umuahia (ohuhu umuahia), Ndoki, Asa, Mbaise (especially Ezilaihite) and Etche.
We don't have anything in common with you guys from Abia north.
Remove ohuhu-umuahia from your nonsensical fabrications.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op): 8:34pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ojiofor:
Nkpa is better than any village in rural Ngwa land.They also have a very good fertile expanse of land for farming and they are called the land of professors for a reason.The current APC Abia state chairman Dr Ononogbu is from there and secretary of Nigeria Labour Congress Comrade Emma Ugboaja too and many others.Nobody is splitting Abia state of 17 LGAs only while Imo state have 27 LGAs it is not possible so stop day dreaming.God bless the God's own state!

You want to split Abia state because Ngwa sponsored PDP candidate failed in last election grin
Alex Otti is Ngwa man too grin after his 8 years that will be 16 good years of uninterupted nde Ngwa rule and hopefully power will return to Abia north at the end of Alex Otti's tenure grin.Kponkponkon chegharia inu. grin
Ngwa people want Abia to be splitted because they have the right to self determination. If they don't I wonder why Igbos are pursuing Biafra using self determination as a rhetoric.. I believe we easterners are not hypocrites.
Most importantly we want Abia splitted because we felt your region needs real development and modernization.
Because when I see some of your people doing Bugga for Ebonyi state (for reasons best known to you) I smiled cus I know that they only edge Abia has over Ebonyi is Ngwa land. grin
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op): 8:39pm On Sep 30, 2024
Before you claim you gave me clothes, show me what your wardrobe really holds grin

Before you claim you developed Aba, let’s take a look at how developed your region old Bende is. cheesy
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 9:17pm On Sep 30, 2024
OnoVegasBlog:
Ngwa people want Abia to be splitted because they have the right to self determination. If they don't I wonder why Igbos are pursuing Biafra using self determination as a rhetoric.. I believe we easterners are not hypocrites.
Most importantly we want Abia splitted because we felt your region needs real development and modernization.
Because when I see some of your people doing Bugga for Ebonyi state (for reasons best known to you) I smiled cus I know that they only edge Abia has over Ebonyi is Ngwa land. grin
Aba is not Sokoto or Lagos...Aba belongs to all of us ndi Abia and Igboland in general grin
Aba bu nke anyi Umuahia bukwa nke anyi.Stop acting like Ngwa people developed Aba on their own.Anyway you will never have your wish..Aba no be Lagos.Because you have Ikwerre mindset Aba state will never come to pass. Aba state is not even feasible not when Imo state have 27 LGAs and you want to split Abia state that have 17 only,If Aba state is created what will be left of remaining state? Aba will forever remain part of Abia state.You want to run away from competition and corner Ukwa people and turn them into your slaves.
No responsible Igbo leader will support Aba state creation.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by waternogetemeny: 9:22pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ojiofor:
Aba is not Sokoto or Lagos...Aba belongs to all of us ndi Abia and Igboland in general grin
Aba bu nke anyi Umuahia bukwa nke anyi.Stop acting like Ngwa people developed Aba on their own.Anyway you will never have your wish..Aba no be Lagos.Because you have Ikwerre mindset Aba state will never come to pass. Aba state is not even feasible not when Imo state have 27 LGAs and you want to split Abia state that have 17 only,If Aba state is created what will be left of remaining state? Aba will forever remain part of Abia state.You want to run away from competition and corner Ukwa people and turn them into your slaves.
No responsible Igbo leader will support Aba state creation.
ABA GOES BACK TO COLONIAL TIME AND THE BRITISH.


IGBO PEOPLE MUST CHANGE THEIR WICKED WAYS BEACUSE IT IS REALLY AFFACTING US.


THE WHOLE WORLD CANNOT HATE YOU AND YOU HATE YOURSELT MBANU


U CAN DO BETTER, SO DO BETTER.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 9:28pm On Sep 30, 2024
waternogetemeny:
ABA GOES BACK TO COLONIAL TIME AND THE BRITISH.


IGBO PEOPLE MUST CHANGE THEIR WICKED WAYS BEACUSE IT IS REALLY AFFACTING US.


THE WHOLE WORLD CANNOT HATE YOU AND YOU HATE YOURSELT MBANU


U CAN DO BETTER, SO DO BETTER.
Who is acting wicked here?
Where did you see hate in my post?
When did patriotism to ones state become act of wickedness and hatred?
Gbaru ogwu gi nu o.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by waternogetemeny: 9:34pm On Sep 30, 2024
Ojiofor:
Who is acting wicked here?
Where did you see hate in my post?
When did patriotism to ones state become act of wickedness and hatred?
Gbaru ogwu gi nu o.
U know what i'm talking about
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Ojiofor: 9:36pm On Sep 30, 2024
waternogetemeny:
U know what i'm talking about
I don't know.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op):
In the event that Aba, representing Abia South and the southern part of Abia Central, secedes from the current Abia State, the longstanding unity within Abia North will be severely tested. For years, this unity has been more a product of collective resentment towards Aba, than any true cohesion.
The shared envy of Aba’s economic power has been the glue preventing these northern factions from turning against one another.

However, with Aba removed from the equation, the underlying tensions within Abia North will be exposed. The Ohafia warriors, with their proud tradition of military might, will likely resist any attempt to make Umuahia the capital, seeing it as a symbol of political overreach. At the same time, the influential Arochukwu, with their mystical heritage and strategic past, may lay claim to the capital, seeking to assert their dominance over the new political landscape.

What has kept these groups from outright conflict until now has been their shared disdain for Aba, but with that common adversary gone, their unity will begin to unravel. The absence of Aba as the focal point of their collective envy will allow long-suppressed rivalries to come to the fore, shaking the very foundation of Abia North’s alliance.
The once delicate balance of power, held together by their opposition to Ngwa dominance, will likely collapse into internal discord, leaving the region vulnerable to fragmentation and political infighting.

Oh, I forgot to include Bende (the butterfly 🦋 who thought it's a bird.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by OnoVegasBlog(op):
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by LtCZAR: 5:17pm On Oct 02, 2024
And in all this, what will ASA people get then?
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by mandax: 11:28am On Oct 03, 2024
waternogetemeny:
LOL THEN WHO ARE THE OWERRI RELATED TO?
By culture, traditions and dialect, Owerri is purely related to Ikwerre in Rivers state, but no relationship (except Igbo language) with any community either in Okigwe or in Orlu zones in Imo state.
Guess why Owerri fought tooth and nail during military govts and got nearly all government establishments in Imo state located in Owerri zone; and that led to many new urban towns in Owerri zone; but dwindling cities in Orlu and Okigwe with no government establishment.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by ChinenyeN(m): 7:30am On Dec 30, 2024
It’s funny how we are still having the same discussion after 100 years. I guess it really is true that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In any case, I will save my historical analysis of state creation and the Aba State Movement for another thread and simply focus on the cultural/anthropological question for which I was explicitly tagged.

waternogetemeny:
LOL OWERRI PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COPE WITH IKWERRE AND THEIR WE ARE NOT IGBO NONSENSE,


WE NEED MORE SCHOLARLY INPUT HERE, @ ChinenyeN, OfoIgbo, cheruv, Ojiofor:
The details are nuanced, so I will try to simplify it.

Uratta is related to Ohaji and Echie. The primogenitors, Akuru, Ochie, Okani, are supposedly related as brothers. Either that or the names may refer to the same person according to some traditions. In other words, the same autochthonous population.

Ohaji and Echie are related to Ikwerre. The primogenitor, Ochichi, is said to have hailed from Ozuzu. This suggests Echie movements made it to Ikwerre before Ohaji movements pushed south and merged with them to create the core Elele population.

Ngwa is related to Echie. The primogenitors of most Echie village-groups come from the Ngwa cultural complex (a.k.a. Ngwa and Mbaise) predominantly and secondarily from later waves of Uratta and Isu. This is why Echie dialect shows more affinity with the Ngwa than with Uratta despite the Akuru, Ochie, Okani oral traditions.

Ngwa is related to Ikwerre. The primogenitors Ochichi and Iwhnurnuohna are said to be father and son. In Ngwa oral tradition, Iwhnurnuohna is known as Iwhnerneohna. Iwhnerneohna was a population movement of Ngwa people from within Ozuzu to found and people villages in Elele and Isiokpo. The father/son tradition might explain Echie/Ohaji elements arriving earlier (Ochichi) followed by Ngwa elements (Iwhnerneohna). A later wave of Ngwa elements founded Obio (the core community within P.H. and surrounding villages).
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by Gajagojo: 2:51am On Jan 13, 2025
ChinenyeN:
It’s funny how we are still having the same discussion after 100 years. I guess it really is true that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In any case, I will save my historical analysis of state creation and the Aba State Movement for another thread and simply focus on the cultural/anthropological question for which I was explicitly tagged.



The details are nuanced, so I will try to simplify it.

Uratta is related to Ohaji and Echie. The primogenitors, Akuru, Ochie, Okani, are supposedly related as brothers. Either that or the names may refer to the same person according to some traditions. In other words, the same autochthonous population.

Ohaji and Echie are related to Ikwerre. The primogenitor, Ochichi, is said to have hailed from Ozuzu. This suggests Echie movements made it to Ikwerre before Ohaji movements pushed south and merged with them to create the core Elele population.

Ngwa is related to Echie. The primogenitors of most Echie village-groups come from the Ngwa cultural complex (a.k.a. Ngwa and Mbaise) predominantly and secondarily from later waves of Uratta and Isu. This is why Echie dialect shows more affinity with the Ngwa than with Uratta despite the Akuru, Ochie, Okani oral traditions.

Ngwa is related to Ikwerre. The primogenitors Ochichi and Iwhnurnuohna are said to be father and son. In Ngwa oral tradition, Iwhnurnuohna is known as Iwhnerneohna. Iwhnerneohna was a population movement of Ngwa people from within Ozuzu to found and people villages in Elele and Isiokpo. The father/son tradition might explain Echie/Ohaji elements arriving earlier (Ochichi) followed by Ngwa elements (Iwhnerneohna). A later wave of Ngwa elements founded Obio (the core community within P.H. and surrounding villages).
It is funny how one group have oral traditions for another group

Do Ikwerre have this oral tradition for themselves

Do any other group have their own oral tradition for where Ngwa came from and would Ngwa people accept that.

This subtle imperialism is risible

There is no reputable Ikwerre man that claims he is of Ngwa origin


Your explanation of dialect to primogenitor is silly

We speak English today does not mean we have English ancestors
The slave trade occurred for centuries in a tiny space and the majority of slave sold from those shores were Igbo
It was not a space that was at peace to enable the kind of conjecture you propose

Large numbers of people were coming and going mixing and shuffling to such an extent that it is impossible to make meaning assertions about origin from your superficial reading of contemporary observations in dialect.


Ikwerre are related to Ngwa to the extent that Ngwa slaves passed through there and settled there in numbers after the slave trade ended
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by waternogatenemy: 9:40am On Mar 01, 2025
ChinenyeN:
It’s funny how we are still having the same discussion after 100 years. I guess it really is true that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

In any case, I will save my historical analysis of state creation and the Aba State Movement for another thread and simply focus on the cultural/anthropological question for which I was explicitly tagged.



The details are nuanced, so I will try to simplify it.

Uratta is related to Ohaji and Echie. The primogenitors, Akuru, Ochie, Okani, are supposedly related as brothers. Either that or the names may refer to the same person according to some traditions. In other words, the same autochthonous population.

Ohaji and Echie are related to Ikwerre. The primogenitor, Ochichi, is said to have hailed from Ozuzu. This suggests Echie movements made it to Ikwerre before Ohaji movements pushed south and merged with them to create the core Elele population.

Ngwa is related to Echie. The primogenitors of most Echie village-groups come from the Ngwa cultural complex (a.k.a. Ngwa and Mbaise) predominantly and secondarily from later waves of Uratta and Isu. This is why Echie dialect shows more affinity with the Ngwa than with Uratta despite the Akuru, Ochie, Okani oral traditions.

Ngwa is related to Ikwerre. The primogenitors Ochichi and Iwhnurnuohna are said to be father and son. In Ngwa oral tradition, Iwhnurnuohna is known as Iwhnerneohna. Iwhnerneohna was a population movement of Ngwa people from within Ozuzu to found and people villages in Elele and Isiokpo. The father/son tradition might explain Echie/Ohaji elements arriving earlier (Ochichi) followed by Ngwa elements (Iwhnerneohna). A later wave of Ngwa elements founded Obio (the core community within P.H. and surrounding villages).
Thanks bro for this highly valued contribution.

Please enlighten us on mbaise clan and their relatves.


Are they also Uratta?


I was hoping to get some incite on them from this your submission but nothing was mentioned.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by waternogatenemy: 9:44am On Mar 01, 2025
Gajagojo:
It is funny how one group have oral traditions for another group

Do Ikwerre have this oral tradition for themselves

Do any other group have their own oral tradition for where Ngwa came from and would Ngwa people accept that.

This subtle imperialism is risible

There is no reputable Ikwerre man that claims he is of Ngwa origin


Your explanation of dialect to primogenitor is silly

We speak English today does not mean we have English ancestors
The slave trade occurred for centuries in a tiny space and the majority of slave sold from those shores were Igbo
It was not a space that was at peace to enable the kind of conjecture you propose

Large numbers of people were coming and going mixing and shuffling to such an extent that it is impossible to make meaning assertions about origin from your superficial reading of contemporary observations in dialect.


Ikwerre are related to Ngwa to the extent that Ngwa slaves passed through there and settled there in numbers after the slave trade ended
Ikwerre did not fall from the sky.

Forget all this oil politics, ikwerre are not from Bini, their kith and kin are in Imo state,, the Ohaji people and very much Igbo.


Goes to show how they can be one thing and claim another.

All those clan around Ikwerre are their relatives, i suspect it goes all the way to Owerri.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by 00FFT00(m): 10:15am On Mar 01, 2025
OnoVegasBlog:
If land mass is all that matters, then no southeast state is qualified to be a state. FG should kukuma merge all South East state and turn the present state to LGA.
Some state in the north is bigger than south east combined.
That's a fine proposition as long as the mono state gets all its entitlements in multiples of a factor of six and everything else is properly weighted against its pluralistic peers.

The savings in 5 governors and government houses alone will be staggering. Money that will go directly into development.

This model, even to a lesser extent, should be advocated for the entire country. It is called regionalism.
Re: State Creation In South East: Aba State by ChinenyeN(m): 9:33am On Mar 04, 2025
waternogatenemy:
Thanks bro for this highly valued contribution.

Please enlighten us on mbaise clan and their relatves.


Are they also Uratta?


I was hoping to get some incite on them from this your submission but nothing was mentioned.
This will be a somewhat oversimplified explanation but… Mbaise is canonically considered to be made up of five clans. In no particular order, they are Ezinihitte, Ahiara, Okeuvuru, Ekwereazu and Agbaja.

Ahiara, Ezinihitte and Isiala Ngwa are originally the same autochthonous group referred to as mfulala in the local parlance.

Ekwereazu also claims autochthony while simultaneously having oral tradition that links Ihitte Aforukwu and Obohia to Obizi in Ezinihitte. This suggests the original settlers of Ekwereazu were of Ezinihitte stock before a later arrival of Isu people brought Isu cultural influence into Ekwereazu axis.

Agbaja is actually not a clan, but an amalgam of three clans, being Enyiogwugwu, Nguru and Okwuato. Of these three, Nguru and Okwuato are basically part of Ezinihitte clan. Nguru sister clan is Onicha in Ezinihitte while Okwuato villages either claim descent from Oboama/Umunama or claim autochothony. Both Ezinihitte and Okwuato confirm they are the same people. Enyiogwugwu is the only one that maintains two traditions. One which confirms migration from Uratta area and another which is shared with Nguru that claims Enyiogwugwu be “junior brother” to Nguru. This “junior brother” could suggest that Nguru villages extended into parts of Enyiogwugwu before Uratta elements migrated into the area at a later date. Long story short, most of Agbaja clan is of Ezinihitte stock and Enyiogwugwu is where Ezinihitte and Uratta converged.

Okeuvuru claims autochthony as well, but nearly all villages in Oke claim descent from Oboama/Umunama in Ezinihitte, making them predominantly of Ezinihitte stock.

Long story short, Mbaise is basically the border where Ngwa cultural complex, Uratta cultural complex and Isu cultural complex converge. Analyzing the cultural influence and oral traditions, however, shows Mbaise is overwhelmingly related to Ngwa. But you can see the Uratta cultural influence notably in Enyiogwugwu and Nguru. And the Isu cultural influence in Ekwereazu.
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