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From nairaland user Odotech

Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

Nonsense. Do you publish your yearly finance on FB or Twitter?

Nigerian christians are the most guillible set of people in the world....
These are very credible questions we need to be asking because most pastors have now turned churches into business ventures that's why there are so many churches in this country, and the fact that religious organizations like church and mosques don't pay taxes like most countries do have caused the number of churches to increase .
As someone who hardly goes to church.... Wetin concern me.

CodeTemplarr:
Nonsense. Do you publish your yearly finance on FB or Twitter?

Do i collect public monies?Ur brain should not be for decoration now

genkins:
Do i collect public monies?Ur brain should not be for decoration now

Did anyone ask you to forcefully donate or how does a collection of private individuals contributing to the religious inclinations constitute public monies ?

CodeTemplarr:
Nonsense. Do you publish your yearly finance on FB or Twitter?

Ask them oo

CodeTemplarr:
Did anyone ask you to forcefully donate or how does a collection of private individuals contributing to the religious inclinations constitute public monies ?

Ask him ooo

CodeTemplarr:
Did anyone ask you to forcefully donate or how does a collection of private individuals contributing to the religious inclinations constitute public monies ?

Now I can see why it's a decoration.u know I meant money contributed by the public

No one has the right to collect donations from everybody and become rich.It is regulated.It is unregulated in Nigeria that's why one man and his sons are flying PJ and you are here defending them.In western countries,they will be sitting in jail

genkins:
Now I can see why it's a decoration.u know I meant money contributed by the public

No one has the right to collect donations from everybody and become rich.It is regulated.It is unregulated in Nigeria that's why one man and his sons are flying PJ and you are here defending them.In western countries,they will be sitting in jail

contribution(tithes n offering in honour of God) is not gift(prophets seed) nor dues(teachers).

You're really funny o!

How do you expect a one man business to go auditing so that you know?

Well that's why they all hate true Christianity! Matthew 24:9

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny o!

How do you expect a one man business to go auditing so that you know?

Well that's why they all hate true Christianity! Matthew 24:9

How many men's business is occultist JW's?

Who are the original Christianity, hope occultist JW's isn't among?

Even self, any standard international NGOs that get donations do have financial reports. So I don't understand why many are being emotional and unreasonable here

AntiisIam:
How many men's business is occultist JW's?
Who are the original Christianity, hope OCCULTIST JW's isn't among?

Matthew 10:24-25

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 10:24-25

Na question I asked you sufu, who are the business partners of Rusell

CodeTemplarr:
contribution(tithes n offering in honour of God) is not gift(prophets seed) nor dues(teachers).

Come and say that in the west..na jail u ko de

U have to declare all gift in excess of a certain amount and youl be taxed.

Those contributions u called would be accounted for...to the last penny and published for all to see.

The government scrutinizes ur books frequently.

AntiisIam:
Na question I asked you sufu, who are the business partners of Rusell

And i'm not interested in answering an abuser!

genkins:
Come and say that in the west..na jail u ko de

U have to declare all gift in excess of a certain amount and youl be taxed.

Those contributions u called would be accounted for...to the last penny and published for all to see.

The government scrutinizes ur books frequently.

bro, I have never been to the west but by reading the internet everyday, I know some of these things. I think laziness to read, Inexposure and poor university education has left millions of our people incapacitated. Too many cannot reason or see beyond their immediate pecuniary needs or beyond their local cultures/environment

2 of Nigeria big name pastors had problem in UK and USA for opaque financial dealings. One sold his books in the USA and asked for fund to be repatriated. The books were clearly marked not for sale to evade taxes. His pastor in the USA took advantage of that to involve law enforcement and break out. Happened many years ago. The other opened his business arm in the UK by registering his school as non profit to evade tax and was banned from the UK.

What we think is normal in Nigeria is abnormal everywhere else. But as the bible say, my people perish for lack of knowledge

Odotech:
Even self, any standard international NGOs that get donations do have financial reports. So I don't understand why many are being emotional and unreasonable here

NGOs have this obligation because they ask monies from everyone saying that they must use it to achieve a certain good purpose.

So, they would be liars, deceivers and thieves if they do not use that money for the purposes it was given. That is why NGOs are accountable.

But churches are set up only for private spiritual purposes, so whether they are given money or not they are within their law of set up

genkins:
Come and say that in the west..na jail u ko de

U have to declare all gift in excess of a certain amount and youl be taxed.

Those contributions u called would be accounted for...to the last penny and published for all to see.

The government scrutinizes ur books frequently.

This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

MaxInDHouse:
And i'm not interested in answering an abuser!

Why those Bible verses if truly you're not interested in answering? Walai you mumu too much aswear

Dtruthspeaker:
This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

Lol...this one na mental problem caused by religion.lol

Odotech:
bro, I have never been to the west but by reading the internet everyday, I know some of these things. I think laziness to read, Inexposure and poor university education has left millions of our people incapacitated. Too many cannot reason or see beyond their immediate pecuniary needs or beyond their local cultures/environment

2 of Nigeria big name pastors had problem in UK and USA for opaque financial dealings. One sold his books in the USA and asked for fund to be repatriated. The books were clearly marked not for sale to evade taxes. His pastor in the USA took advantage of that to involve law enforcement and break out. Happened many years ago. The other opened his business arm in the UK by registering his school as non profit to evade tax and was banned from the UK.

What we think is normal in Nigeria is abnormal everywhere else. But as the bible say, my people perish for lack of knowledge

Bros I tire o.dumb people in Nigeria are more than sophisticated guys like you.

genkins:
From nairaland user Odotech

Don't get upset. I know any discussion about churches easily stirrs emotional reaction from you guys. But, can you genuinely answer these questions:

1) which of the multinational church corporations in Nigeria audits their account with the services of external and international auditing firms such as Deloitte, PWC, etc

2) how many of the multinational church corporations have you ever seen their yearly financial report published on their church magazine, their website or on a national daily before. Every other organizations registered under law publishes financial reports for transparency and accountability.

3) how many churches work on a yearly budget basis - a budget seen by its members and vetted by a committee that has non-yes daddies in it's membership

4) have you ever seen a breakdown of how much your own church generates from various channels such as YouTube, magazines, tithes, donations, etc before?

Religious organizations activities are opaque generally in Nigeria. That's why you have pastors diverting church fund to private real estate businesses like the one currently accused by efcc.

You sheeps enable prevention of transparency and accountability in your respective churches . But when law enforcement wades in, the entire body of Christ is embarrassed by a problem you could have prevented by just being transparent and accountable in management of public fund

What should be the sole purpose of church finances apart from church building projects and equipments?
Is it for pastors or for charity or to fund church activities such as paying resident full-time pastors their salaries ?

At the time when church buildings and equipments are fully acquired, what should church money used for, according to the law ?

GO just spends money the way he likes reason I never give a dime to any church.

genkins:
Lol...this one na mental problem caused by religion.lol

Says the one who instead of shutting up because he had no reasonable counter to give instead he chose to descend into insalts. Clear proof you are stupid

paxonel:
What should be the sole purpose of church finances apart from church building projects and equipments?
Is it for pastors or for charity or to fund church activities such as paying resident full-time pastors their salaries ?

At the time when church buildings and equipments are fully acquired, what should church money used for, according to the law ?

Why hide the books?

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who instead of shutting up because he had no reasonable counter to give instead he chose to descend into insalts. Clear proof you are stupid

Read what u wrote again.Sleep,wake up and read again.

genkins:
Read what u wrote again.Sleep,wake up and read again.

You are the one who has slept and woken up and yet, you still cannot find a reasonable counter to give.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who has slept and woken up and yet, you still cannot find a reasonable counter to give.

Lol...il pass.I don't want to lose braincells

Can someone with brain power type this?


This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

genkins:
Lol...il pass.I don't want to lose braincells

Can someone with brain power type this?


This is simply a matter of the king of the land (legal) said so and not a matter of Law which is of right and wrong.

Here, the king of that land has only commanded that monies exceeding any amount he determines, a portion of it (tax) must be taken by him.

And here no one is seeing that the king is taking that which does not belong to him aka stealing under Law, so he too is guilty of wrong doing.

Clearly understanding and then understanding English is one of your problems and your second problem is that you are too accustomed to the popular foolishness that intelligence is now too strange to you. 😁

Go and ask someone intelligent to break it down for you and maybe after that you can find something reasonable to say in counter and I can now understand why you object to my view.

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly understanding and then understanding English is one of your problems and your second problem is that you are too accustomed to the popular foolishness that intelligence is now too strange to you. 😁

Go and ask someone intelligent to break it down for you and maybe after that you can find something reasonable to say in counter and I can now understand why you object to my view.

Lol..abeg I'll pass