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Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

Lol...

From Jewish extra biblical sources,(Midrash) Abram's Father Terah was an idol maker. One day Abram destroyed idols in his father's shop when a woman came to sacrifice to them.

Ultimately Terah his father, the idol maker took him to King Nimrod and Abraham made a fool out of Nimrod over what elements were worthy of worship.

Nimrod ordered Abram to be thrown into a fire but Abram was unharmed. Nimrod killed Haran Abrams brother by throwing him into the fire.

So Abram fled from Ur with his father Terah, his wife Sarai and orphaned Nephew, Lot.

I have also found out that God does not call people randomly to do stuff...he must have seen something in them that pleases him.

In Abram's case, he had shown his love for a montheistic God over idol worship and this moved God deeply.

Remember he is the one before whom nothing is hidden.

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

Beautiful!

His acts thereafter have shown you!

Who has not heard from God? Everyone.

How many follow and obey Him? Nearly no one.

And do you not see that Job is many many centuries away from Isreal aka Jacob?

otipoju:
Job does not predate Abraham. Job was a grandson to Esau and was an Edomite.

The full name is Jobab

Esau is Abraham's grandson like Isreal, abi na. Your link did not open

Dtruthspeaker:
Beautiful!

His acts thereafter have shown you!

Who has not heard from God? Everyone.

How many follow and obey Him? Nearly no one.

And do you not see that Job is many many centuries away from Isreal aka Jacob?

In other words, God already knew what Abraham would do and then picked him right? His foreknowledge and all? I think I get it.

However, I would have to disagree with you on the Job point. Check it, Job was the oldest book in the Bible. He lived even before Abraham.

Dtruthspeaker:
And do you not see that Job is many many centuries away from Isreal aka Jacob?

I take it back. I think I might not be correct. I just did some googling and it seems it's possible that Job was younger than Abraham but older than Moses. Or they could have been contemporaries. 😅

Abraham faith led to Judaism & Christianity

That's why both Jews & Christians recognise God as the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Exo 3:6 KJV Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

No where in the Koran is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob mentioned, showing that Allah is not God

ThatWriterBoy:
➜ Hello everyone! Happy New Year! One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).
➜ Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?
Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.
➜Weren't there other people God could have picked?
➜Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness. What do you think?

1. God did not choose Abraham as father of religions as you claim nor did God choose Abraham as father of Israel. 🤔
When reading a book, try to empty your head of all previous ideas you may have had of the content and focus your mind and heart on comprehending what is written in the book exactly as it is written so you can better tell the false ideas from the right ones out there.

2. According to the book, God chose Abraham because Abraham obeyed His Laws and commandments. You will find this written in the book as you read on. God Himself answered in the book. 🤔

3. If you follow what is written, all the others in the book were condemned as wicked at that time. 🤔

4. How could Job have predated Abraham when Job's friend, Eliphaz, was listed as a Temanite, a tribe that came down from one of the descendants of one of sons of Esau, Abraham's grandchild, according to Genesis 36?🤔

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

Galatians 3:8
"Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith,
and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
'All nations will be blessed through you.

Its about a combination of the 3Ps (i.e. process, positioning and privilege)

There's something called 'the protoevangelium gospel', thats needs to be known about. You'll find about it in Genesis 3:15, where you'll see the mentioning of first prophecy of the coming of God Incarnate, Jesus Christ.

The long and short of it, is that the coming of God in human flesh involved the 3Ps.
Process - It took 4000 years for
Positioning & Privilege - Started right from Abel, Seth, Noah .... the Patriarchs (i.e. Abraham et cetera) .... Joseph & Mary

Fact is God’s choice of anyone, is a privilege, and one that isn't based on human actions or merit but on God's divine will. God will be gracious to whomever God chooses. Its just as simple as that beloved

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Buhari4dullard:
➜Abraham faith led to Judaism & Christianity That's why both Jews & Christians recognise God as the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.
Exo 3:6 KJV Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
✓ No where in the Koran is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob mentioned, showing that Allah is not God

The statement in bold is a false claim that was created by the religious and the ignorant. There is no mention of the terms Judaism or Christianity in all of Scripture nor is there any direct link between the God of Israel and Jesus Christ of Israel and any religion of men out there.

2. This last statement is a fact and the reason has nothing to do with the quran but the fact that the God of Israel --YHWH -- is described as a God who does not change His mind or lie. Allah on the other hand represents a complete departure from YHWH's plans meaning Allah is a completely different entity from the YHWH of Israel. 🤔

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

Abraham's faith makes him different. His descendants survived and became great based on promise.

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

God does what He Wills. He chooses whom He will. He Alone Elevates whom He Wills.

People of Faith don't ask the question you are asking because we don't question God's Decisions or choices. Our motto is " We hear and we Obey".

His choice of Abraham we don't question.

Buhari4dullard:
Abraham faith led to Judaism & Christianity

That's why both Jews & Christians recognise God as the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Exo 3:6 KJV Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

No where in the Koran is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob mentioned, showing that Allah is not God

What God did Ishmael worshipped? Are you saying he did not follow his father to worship and know his father God?

Remember he was circumcised when he was 16 by order of his father God. Are you saying Abraham did not mention his God to his First son hearings? What kinda of father was he then?

ThatWriterBoy:
I take it back. I think I might not be correct. I just did some googling and it seems it's possible that Job was younger than Abraham but older than Moses. Or they could have been contemporaries. 😅

Nothing has led me to even ponder this nor have I heard any of this before

ThatWriterBoy:
In other words, God already knew what Abraham would do and then picked him right? His foreknowledge and all? I think I get it..

Do you not already know that anyone you employ may obey/disobey and disappoint you? Yet, from the interview you choose one whom your assessment shows potential.

So, it is here.

Wipe out that rubbish predestination thinking. God respects and honours the freewill and rights He gave us, so forget that shit.

So as I said, when God Speaks to people do they obey? No

So, the question is why did God Speak to him and he obeyed? And of course you know that there are some people who God will never speak to.

Buhari4dullard:
Abraham faith led to Judaism & Christianity

That's why both Jews & Christians recognise God as the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Exo 3:6 KJV Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

No where in the Koran is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob mentioned, showing that Allah is not God

Abraham's belief in God instead of idols led to Christianity.

Judaism is Judah-ism which is the same paganism and idol worship God was trying to separate Isreal from.
https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

Lukuluku69:
God does what He Wills. He chooses whom He will. He Alone Elevates whom He Wills.

People of Faith don't ask the question you are asking because we don't question God's Decisions or choices. Our motto is " We hear and we Obey".

His choice of Abraham we don't question.

Rubbish. The Bible shows in line with His Word, He only chose righteous and potentially righteous people and not murderers and paedophiles and adulterers and fornicators

Dtruthspeaker:
Rubbish. The Bible shows in line with His Word, He only chose righteous and potentially righteous people and not murderers and paedophiles and adulterers and fornicators

Do you normally read your responses to posts before you hit on the submit button?

And must you use the word "Rubbish" in your response?

Moses killed a man before God called him.

Abraham married his own sister according to your Bible.

We read of David's story before Jehovah begot him?

So, what dross are you yarning?

Lukuluku69:
What God did Ishmael worshipped? Are you saying he did not follow his father to worship and know his father God?

Remember he was circumcised when he was 16 by order of his father God. Are you saying Abraham did not mention his God to his First son hearings? What kinda of father was he then?

A child does not choose religion, it is adults who do hence his circumcision does not count as it was forced on him. No one asked him if he will agree to be circumcised and he will follow God.

Secondly as you can see paternity fraud shows, a child born out adultery and unlawfulness is not an acceptable child and he shall be rejected, so Ishmael is not the first born.

And lawful children are never sent away from their parents house but children born of adultery and prostitution, like Ishmael.

So, you see, Ishmael is a strange child and seeing how strange and evil you Ishmaelites are it is clear that you children and your father Ishmael are Satan's seeds and children.

And Exactly what Satan did to Eve in getting her defiled to give birth to unholy children of prostitutes and murderers like Cain, so did he in using 2 women to defile yet again God's chosen family that would have raised up "holy" children.

Dtruthspeaker:
A child does not choose hence his circumcision does not count.

Secondly as you can see paternity fraud shows, a child born out adultery and unlawfulness is not an acceptable child, so Ishmael is not the first born.

And lawful children are never sent away from their parents house but children born of adultery and prostitution, like Ishmael.

So, Abraham is an Adulterer?

Lukuluku69:
So, Abraham is an Adulterer?

He would have been guilty of adultery if not that it was clearly not his will and sin but that of his sin full wife..

And this clear act of her shows why she was barren even before God came to Abraham.

Which is why this question in this thread is very very important because it is truly interesting what did God see in Abraham that He revealed Himself to Him? Or better still what did Abraham do, that separated himself from others?

Dtruthspeaker:
A child does not choose religion, it is adults who do hence his circumcision does not count as it was forced on him. No one asked him if he will agree to be circumcised and he will follow God.

Secondly as you can see paternity fraud shows, a child born out adultery and unlawfulness is not an acceptable child and he shall be rejected, so Ishmael is not the first born.

And lawful children are never sent away from their parents house but children born of adultery and prostitution, like Ishmael.

So, you see, Ishmael is a strange child and seeing how strange and evil you Ishmaelites are it is clear that you children and your father Ishmael are Satan's seeds and children.

And Exactly what Satan did to Eve in getting her defiled to give birth to unholy children of prostitutes and murderers like Cain, so did he in using 2 women to defile yet again God's chosen family that would have raised up "holy" children.

And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
-- Genesis 16:3
KJV Holy Bible


The above is from your Bible.

You people consider Rachel and Leah Handmaiden Children with Jacob as legitimates but not so Ishmael?

Continue but know that you will account for every words you utter in your journey here on earth.

Dtruthspeaker:
He would have been guilty of dultery if not that it was clearly not his will and sin but that of his sin full wife..

And this clear act of her shows was why she was barren since and long before even God came to Abraham.

Which is why this question in this thread is very very important because it is truly interesting what did God see in Abraham that He revealed Himself to Him? Or better still what did Abraham do, that separated himself from others?

Devoid of any sensible take. This response.

But your Jehovah Said He Will bless this Ishmael who according to you came from Adultery.

You want me to quote Jehovah for you concerning Ishmael?

Lukuluku69:
And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
-- Genesis 16:3
KJV Holy Bible

The above is from your Bible.

You people consider Rachel and Leah Handmaiden Children with Jacob as legitimates but not so Ishmael?

Continue but know that you will account for every words you utter in your journey here on earth.

Lawfull according to God!

And this is where you see God is Law and whatsoever He Approves, stands Lawful and whatsoever He rejects becomes unlawful.

So as God accepted the erstwhile children of Leah and Rachel, so does it stand Lawful, especially given the fact that we see Satan has already inter-fared with God's Plans of a holy family with Jacob being hooked to Rachel instead of Leah.

So, the contention between the 2 sisters is understandable (force majore) and none of them intended committing adultery, so no sin was done exactly the same Defence of Law Abraham had which is the defence of not my will aka lack of mens rea.

That is why the 2 cases do not have the same judgement.

Nobody said anything to anybody...God is not a man or a woman or a human being for that matter. God is the universe itself...

You are reading Jewish propaganda written by Jewish scribes...

Nothing more....

Embrace your own heritage. It is rich too...

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello everyone! Happy New Year!

One of my goals for 2025 is to read through the Bible. Right now, I'm in Genesis 16 and I'm wondering why God picked Abraham to become the most important father in the world (seeing that he became the father of both Christians, Jews and Muslims).

Is it that there was something inherently different about him like Noah who was the ONLY blameless man in the whole world before the flood?

Because Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldeans. And I don't think they were worshipping Yahweh over there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as if God just picked a random sinner man and made him all those promises and then he became father of the monotheistic religions.

Weren't there other people God could have picked?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Job predates Abraham right? Why didn't God pick Job then? He was a righteous man that He (God) even bragged to Satan about his righteousness.

What do you think?

'Cause its a story.

Lukuluku69:
Do you normally read your responses to posts before you hit on the submit button?

And must you use the word "Rubbish" in your response?

Moses killed a man before God called him.

Abraham married his own sister according to your Bible.

We read of David's story before Jehovah begot him?

So, what dross are you yarning?

I said rubbish to indicate that what you said is absolutely wrong.

Moses killed to save another as was explained in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8245908/thou-shall-not-killdoes-judgement/1#133490013 eg

"Section 32(3) of the Criminal Code provides,
Inter alia:
A person is not criminally responsible for an act or
omission if he does or omits to do the act… when the
act is reasonably necessary in order to resist actual
and unlawful violence threatened to him or to another person in his presence

Correction, half sister. And even at that Abraham was already married before God came and at a time he there was no Law that Said that he could not marry his sister.(Nullum crimen sine lege) eg Section 36 (12) of 99 constitution
"a person cannot be convicted of a criminal offense for an act or omission that was not an offense at the time it took place."

I don't know what you read o on David but what sin did David commit before God came and chose him king in replacement of Saul?

Dtruthspeaker:
I said rubbish to indicate that what you said is absolutely wrong.

Moses killed to save another as was explained in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8245908/thou-shall-not-killdoes-judgement/1#133490013 eg

"Section 32(3) of the Criminal Code provides,
Inter alia:
A person is not criminally responsible for an act or
omission if he does or omits to do the act… when the
act is reasonably necessary in order to resist actual
and unlawful violence threatened to him or to another person in his presence

Correction, half sister. And even at that Abraham was already married before God came and at a time he there was no Law that Said that he could not marry his sister.(Nullum crimen sine lege) eg Section 36 (12) of 99 constitution
"a person cannot be convicted of a criminal offense for an act or omission that was not an offense at the time it took place."

I don't know what you read o on David but what sin did David commit before God came and chose him king in replacement of Saul?

It is no use.

Lukuluku69:
Devoid of any sensible take. This response.

But your Jehovah Said He Will bless this Ishmael who according to you came from Adultery.

You want me to quote Jehovah for you concerning Ishmael?

There isn't any reasonable counter you can give.

And secondly, do we not all know that God had to bless Ishmael because He must keep His Word to Abraham?

And besides the fact that the wicked prosper is proof that blessing the sinner is not a problem to/ for God. So did He bless Esau and Canaan and Egypt but that did not make them acceptable to Him and stop their final destruction.

Lukuluku69:
It is no use.

Of course the Bible shows that David did not do any wrong thing before God came and chose him king in replacement of Saul neither is there any reasonable counter anybody can bring to this.