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Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 5:03pm On Apr 04
Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM_fy9GR_U
Contemporary Moslem leaders tell their followers that it was Ishmael Abraham was to sacrifice.

For example, which son was the promised covenant child to Abraham in his old age; was it Ishmael or Isaac? The Koran points to Isaac – Sura 11: 69-73; 15: 51-53. The Islamic leaders have led their people to believe it was Ishmael. One of them must be wrong. Both of them cannot be correct.

For some strange inexplicable reasons, perhaps to seek to maintain their closeness to Abraham, many Arab Moslem leaders chose to replace Isaac with their ancestor Ishmael even though his name was never mentioned in relation to being the promised son. They have subsequently led the entire Moslem world to believe that it was Ishmael that was both the promised son and the one to be sacrificed when it was actually Isaac.

In this video popular Moslem scholar Yasir Qadhi shows how majority of very early Moslem scholars claim that it is Isaac that was to have been sacrificed and not Ishmael.

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by Soolmus: 5:05pm On Apr 04
Why dwell on the past and Jew/Arab mythology when we can focus on the future
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by peggywebbs(f): 8:48pm On Apr 04
Because the past has a ripple effect on the future. Any false narrative changes history in millions of ways and lives especially when the truth comes out.

Soolmus:
Why dwell on the past and Jew/Arab mythology when we can focus on the future

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 7:40am On Apr 05
It is proven from the Qu'ran and Sunnah that it was Isma'eel and not Ishaq that Ibraheem wanted to sacrifice.

Praise be to Allah.

Allaah says of His slave and Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

And he said (after his rescue from the fire): “Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!”

“My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.”

So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: “O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!” He said: “O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In shaa’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).”

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: “O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!” Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);

And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations.

“Salaam (peace) be upon Ibraaheem!”

Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

We blessed him and Ishaaq (Isaac). And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.” [al-Saaffaat 37:99-113)

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah tells us that when His Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem migrated from the land of his people, he asked his Lord to grant him a righteous son, so Allaah gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy. This was Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him), because he was the first child who was born (to Ibraaheem, peace be upon him). There is no dispute on this point among the followers of the various religions [Jews, Christians and Muslims], that (Ismaa’eel) was the first child born to Ibraaheem.

“And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him” means, when he grew up and was able to take care of himself, like his father. Mujaahid said: “And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him” means, when he grew up and was able to ride and walk and work like his father did. When this happened, then Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) saw a dream in which he was commanded to sacrifice this son of his. According to a hadeeth narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas and attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The dreams of the Prophets are Wahy (revelation).” So Allaah was testing His Close Friend by commanding him to sacrifice this beloved son who had come to him in his old age, when he was very old, and after he had been commanded to settle the child and his mother in the desert, in a valley in which there was no noise, no people, no vegetation and no animals. So Ibraaheem obeyed the command of Allaah and left them there, putting his trust in Allaah, and Allaah sent them provision, from an unexpected source. After all that, when Ibraaheem was ordered to sacrifice this son of his, who was his firstborn and his only child, he responded to his Lord and obeyed His command, hastening to do as He willed. So he told his son about it so as to put him at ease and not sacrifice him by force.

“He said: ‘O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!’” The forbearing boy immediately responded: “He said: ‘O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In shaa’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).’” This was the best answer he could give, an example of obedience to his father and to the Lord of mankind. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering).” It was said that “when they had both submitted themselves” meant when they had both surrendered to the command of Allaah. “and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead” means that he put him face down. It was said that he wanted to slaughter him from behind so that he would not see his face at the time of slaughter. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas, Mujaahid, Sa’eed ibn Jubayr, Qutaadah and al-Dahhaak… “They both submitted themselves” means that Ibraaheem said Bismillaahi’r-Rahmaan ir-Raheem and said Allaahu akbar and the boy said La ilaaha ill-Allaah because he was about to die. Al-Saddi and others said that (Ibraaheem) passed the knife over the boy’s throat but it did not cut him at all. It was said that a sheet of copper was placed between the knife and his throat, and Allaah knows best. Then it was called out from Allaah:

“’O Ibraaheem! You have fulfilled the dream!’” meaning, the purpose has been achieved, you have been tested and your obedience and willingness to do what your Lord commands have been proven. An alternative sacrifice will be provided instead of your son, just as you willingly submitted your body to the flames and you spent your wealth to honour your guests. Hence Allaah said:

“Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial” meaning that it was an obvious test.

“And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice” means, We provided a ransom for his son, an alternative to be sacrificed in his stead. According to the best known opinion of the majority of scholars, this was a fine white horned ram. Al-Thawri narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Uthmaan ibn Khaytham from Sa’eed ibn Jubayr that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: It was a ram that had grazed in Paradise for forty years.

It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that the dried ram’s head was still hanging on the downspout of the Ka’bah. This alone is evidence that the one who was to be sacrificed was Ismaa’eel, because he was the one who was settled in Makkah and we have never heard that Ishaaq ever came to Makkah from the time he was little. And Allaah knows best.

See Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah by Ibn Katheer, 1/157-158

The one who was to be sacrificed was Ismaa’eel and not Ishaaq, because of the reasons stated above. In his Tafseer (commentary) on these Ayaat, Ibn Katheer also mentioned a number of points which prove that it was Ismaa’eel who was to be sacrificed. These points may be summed up as follows:

Ismaa’eel was the first child of whom glad tidings were given to Ibraaheem. He was older than Ishaaq according to the consensus of the Muslims and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). According to the scriptures of the People of the Book, it was stated that Allaah commanded Ibraaheem to sacrifice his only son, and in some manuscripts it says that he was to sacrifice his first-born son.

The first son is usually more dear than other children, so the command to sacrifice him is a more exacting test.

It is mentioned that glad tidings of a forbearing boy were given, and that he was the one who was to be sacrificed. Later in the passage it says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.” When the angels brought the glad tidings of Ishaaq to Ibraaheem, they said: “We give you glad tidings of a boy (son) possessing much knowledge and wisdom” [al-Hijr 15:53 – interpretation of the meaning].

Allâh said (interpretation of the meaning): “But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq, and after him, of Ya’qoob.” (Hood 11:71) meaning that a child called Ya’qoob would be born during their (Sara and Ishaaq’s) lifetimes, and he would have many descendents… and it does not sound right for Ibraaheem to be commanded to sacrifice him when he was little, because Allaah had promised that he would have many descendents.

Ismaa’eel is described here (in Soorat al-Saffaat) as being “forbearing” because this is very appropriate in this context.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/15. And Allaah knows best.

From islamQA.com
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 12:54pm On Apr 05
AntiChristian:

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

We blessed him and Ishaaq (Isaac). And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.” [al-Saaffaat 37:99-113)

It is mentioned that glad tidings of a forbearing boy were given, and that he was the one who was to be sacrificed. Later in the passage it says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.” When the angels brought the glad tidings of Ishaaq to Ibraaheem, they said: “We give you glad tidings of a boy (son) possessing much knowledge and wisdom” [al-Hijr 15:53 – interpretation of the meaning].

Allâh said (interpretation of the meaning): “But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq, and after him, of Ya’qoob.” (Hood 11:71) meaning that a child called Ya’qoob would be born during their (Sara and Ishaaq’s) lifetimes, and he would have many descendents…
You guys can be impossible at times. If you watched the video and not just wishing to win an argument what you should do is show how what he stated is wrong or false.
You have not succeeded in doing that.

That Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth and presents CONFLICTING and opposing sides to a single matter is what you guys should deal with. But he has stated here that majority of earlier Moslems scholars (not those later ones who sought to change things) believe that it was Isaac and not Ishmael.

Even after you stated this:
Later in the passage it says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.” When the angels brought the glad tidings of Ishaaq to Ibraaheem, they said: “We give you glad tidings of a boy (son) possessing much knowledge and wisdom” [al-Hijr 15:53 – interpretation of the meaning].
You still claim that Ishmael is
"the first child of whom glad tidings were given to Ibraaheem."

How does that makes sense to you? Is Ishmael mentioned in that portion?

That a person is first born does not necessarily confer any special rights on him. David was not the first or second or third, yet he became the king of Israel over and above his elder brothers. There are other examples of same. So, that is a lame argument, if we can call it that.

It is very clear from very early Islamic sources that Isaac was the son of promise.
Which do you want to believe: the earlier sources or the later sources? Hagar had no problem with conceiving. Sarah on the other hand had problem with conceiving. So, if a promise is to be given will it be to Hagar and by extension Ishmael or to Sarah and by extension Isaac? This is simple logic. Why is it so difficult for you guy to accept? You guys seem bent on changing history.

Why don't you take Yasir Qadhi's points and show us how they are not correct.

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 2:03pm On Apr 05
sagenaija:

You guys can be impossible at times. If you watched the video and not just wishing to win an argument what you should do is show how what he stated is wrong or false.
You have not succeeded in doing that.

That Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth and presents CONFLICTING and opposing sides to a single matter is what you guys should deal with. But he has stated here that majority of earlier Moslems scholars (not those later ones who sought to change things) believe that it was Isaac and not Ishmael.

Even after you stated this:

You still claim that Ishmael is


How does that makes sense to you? Is Ishmael mentioned in that portion?

That a person is first born does not necessarily confer any special rights on him. David was not the first or second or third, yet he became the king of Israel over and above his elder brothers. There are other examples of same. So, that is a lame argument, if we can call it that.

It is very clear from very early Islamic sources that Isaac was the son of promise.
Which do you want to believe: the earlier sources or the later sources? Hagar had no problem with conceiving. Sarah on the other hand had problem with conceiving. So, if a promise is to be given will it be to Hagar and by extension Ishmael or to Sarah and by extension Isaac? This is simple logic. Why is it so difficult for you guy to accept? You guys seem bent on changing history.

Why don't you take Yasir Qadhi's points and show us how they are not correct.

Actually, I don't have any business with Yasir. I only do need to state what is right.
Why do you like cherry picking so much?

In the Qu'ran verse above who is the forbearing boy? Or did you skipped that?

Later after the forbearing boy came glad tidings of Ishaq!

This is conflicting to you but clear to us.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 3:10pm On Apr 05
AntiChristian:
It is proven from the Qu'ran and Sunnah that it was Isma'eel and not Ishaq that Ibraheem wanted to sacrifice.

Praise be to Allah.

Allaah says of His slave and Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

And he said (after his rescue from the fire): “Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!”

“My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.”

So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: “O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!” He said: “O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In shaa’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).”

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: “O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!” Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);

And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations.

“Salaam (peace) be upon Ibraaheem!”

Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

We blessed him and Ishaaq (Isaac). And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.” [al-Saaffaat 37:99-113)

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah tells us that when His Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem migrated from the land of his people, he asked his Lord to grant him a righteous son, so Allaah gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy. This was Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him), because he was the first child who was born (to Ibraaheem, peace be upon him). There is no dispute on this point among the followers of the various religions [Jews, Christians and Muslims], that (Ismaa’eel) was the first child born to Ibraaheem.

See Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah by Ibn Katheer, 1/157-158

The one who was to be sacrificed was Ismaa’eel and not Ishaaq, because of the reasons stated above. In his Tafseer (commentary) on these Ayaat, Ibn Katheer also mentioned a number of points which prove that it was Ismaa’eel who was to be sacrificed. These points may be summed up as follows:

Ismaa’eel was the first child of whom glad tidings were given to Ibraaheem. He was older than Ishaaq according to the consensus of the Muslims and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). According to the scriptures of the People of the Book, it was stated that Allaah commanded Ibraaheem to sacrifice his only son, and in some manuscripts it says that he was to sacrifice his first-born son.

The first son is usually more dear than other children, so the command to sacrifice him is a more exacting test.

It is mentioned that glad tidings of a forbearing boy were given, and that he was the one who was to be sacrificed. Later in the passage it says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.” When the angels brought the glad tidings of Ishaaq to Ibraaheem, they said: “We give you glad tidings of a boy (son) possessing much knowledge and wisdom” [al-Hijr 15:53 – interpretation of the meaning].

Allâh said (interpretation of the meaning): “But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq, and after him, of Ya’qoob.” (Hood 11:71) meaning that a child called Ya’qoob would be born during their (Sara and Ishaaq’s) lifetimes, and he would have many descendents… and it does not sound right for Ibraaheem to be commanded to sacrifice him when he was little, because Allaah had promised that he would have many descendents.

Ismaa’eel is described here (in Soorat al-Saffaat) as being “forbearing” because this is very appropriate in this context.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/15. And Allaah knows best.

From islamQA.com

Stop reasoning from the Islamic perspectives and be objective .

Ordinarily , which account would you believe as valid ?
ISAAC HISTORY :

A)The history that came first when Islam was not existing and no one knew thare was going to be anything like Islam.
B) The history which specifically revealed the name of the child that was to be sacrificed.
C) The historical account that tells us about the child that inherited Abraham's properties and the promised land.
D) The one that was buried in the same place with Abraham or in a foreign land.

ISHMAEL HISTORY:
2
A)The history that originated 2000 years after the first account of the same story was revealed B) The history which failed to reveal the name of the child that was to be sacrificed but made people to speculate which is which
C) The child that sent away on exile from the promised land without any inheritance from their father .

Which would you pick ?

Why would Yasir Qadhi , an Islamic professor who has read and understands Arabic , say it was Isaac ?

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 4:41pm On Apr 05
AntiChristian:


Actually, I don't have any business with Yasir. I only do need to state what is right.
Why do you like cherry picking so much?

In the Qu'ran verse above who is the forbearing boy? Or did you skipped that?

Later after the forbearing boy came glad tidings of Ishaq!

This is conflicting to you but clear to us.
You guys can deny even your Allah and your prophet Mohamed just to win an argument. You are trying to distance yourself from Yasir Qadhi. I can see that. You will soon claim that he is not known in Islam.

Suddenly you "don't have any business with Yasir". So, does the fact that he provided Moslem sources not even challenge you to look at them to see the genuineness of his claim?

You are only being DECEITFUL or DISMISSIVE when you say that a matter of which Moslem scholars have divergent views is clear to you.

Now, a renowned Islamic scholar like him brings up portions of Islamic literature to show that MAJORITY of early Islamic scholars agree that it was Isaac that was to be sacrificed. What we expect you to do is be humble enough to look at the EVIDENCE provided and see how strong it is for you to take a position. Instead you seem to be willing to hold on to a preconceived position, with or without evidence for it.

Like I also repeatedly said, Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. So, if some of your scholars are saying it is Isaac and others are saying that it is Ishmael, doesn't that show how confused the religion is? Is the Koran not supposed to make things plain? Where then is the clarity here?

The thing with you guys is that you have CREATED YOUR OWN PICTURE OF ISLAM and you run with that your creation no matter what.

You are always quick to want to go back to Mohamed. But when the position of earlier Moslems is presented to you on issues, and such position does not fit your narrative you disregard it or question its authenticity. You do this because you are afraid that some of the things you will find out about Islam may shake your faith in the religion. But is it not better to know the truth and go with it than live in falsehood?

If majority of earlier Islamic scholars believed that it was Isaac but later ones claimed it was Ishmael, who should you believe?

Again, between Ishmael and Isaac whose report in the Koran and circumstances of birth shows that he is the child of promise? What does the Koran which you claim to believe say about Ishmael on this matter?

What we see in the Koran is the glad tidings about Isaac, We blessed him and Isaac, etc. Can you show us where Ishmael was referred to in similar terms BY NAME?

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 5:50pm On Apr 06
sagenaija:

You guys can deny even your Allah and your prophet Mohamed just to win an argument. You are trying to distance yourself from Yasir Qadhi. I can see that. You will soon claim that he is not known in Islam.

Suddenly you "don't have any business with Yasir". So, does the fact that he provided Moslem sources not even challenge you to look at them to see the genuineness of his claim?

You are only being DECEITFUL or DISMISSIVE when you say that a matter of which Moslem scholars have divergent views is clear to you.

Now, a renowned Islamic scholar like him brings up portions of Islamic literature to show that MAJORITY of early Islamic scholars agree that it was Isaac that was to be sacrificed. What we expect you to do is be humble enough to look at the EVIDENCE provided and see how strong it is for you to take a position. Instead you seem to be willing to hold on to a preconceived position, with or without evidence for it.

Like I also repeatedly said, Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. So, if some of your scholars are saying it is Isaac and others are saying that it is Ishmael, doesn't that show how confused the religion is? Is the Koran not supposed to make things plain? Where then is the clarity here?

The thing with you guys is that you have CREATED YOUR OWN PICTURE OF ISLAM and you run with that your creation no matter what.

You are always quick to want to go back to Mohamed. But when the position of earlier Moslems is presented to you on issues, and such position does not fit your narrative you disregard it or question its authenticity. You do this because you are afraid that some of the things you will find out about Islam may shake your faith in the religion. But is it not better to know the truth and go with it than live in falsehood?

If majority of earlier Islamic scholars believed that it was Isaac but later ones claimed it was Ishmael, who should you believe?

Again, between Ishmael and Isaac whose report in the Koran and circumstances of birth shows that he is the child of promise? What does the Koran which you claim to believe say about Ishmael on this matter?

What we see in the Koran is the glad tidings about Isaac, We blessed him and Isaac, etc. Can you show us where Ishmael was referred to in similar terms BY NAME?

A careful examination of the verses in question reveals the truth about this matter. But Holy Spirit won't guide you to that.
Must Ishamel be mentioned by name before we know the verse was refering to another person?
Abeg if you no gree accept na you sabi.

Na Ishmael as proven above from the Qur'an. If na Isaac you choose according Yasir/your Bible na you sabi.

Qur'an 37
101. So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

102. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

104. And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105. You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun

112. And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaque (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

113. We blessed him and Ishaque (Isaac), and of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.

Sai da Safe!
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by peggywebbs(f): 7:09pm On Apr 06
Why do Muslims like dragging issues with Christians. Whether it was Esau or Isaac, it makes no difference. The point is the message that Abraham loved God and he was was willing to lose his son. He chose God, trusting him and at the end of the day, God proved he had only good intentions for him.

He proved that he would never harm him and then he multiplied him. Today we are all children of Abraham whether Muslim or Christian. Esau and Isaac were not Christian or Muslim, the only message here is our heritage and how we can trace the history of man and how spread around the world.

So please end this unnecessary debate.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 10:29am On Apr 07
AntiChristian:


A careful examination of the verses in question reveals the truth about this matter. But Holy Spirit won't guide you to that.
Must Ishamel be mentioned by name before we know the verse was refering to another person?
Abeg if you no gree accept na you sabi.

Na Ishmael as proven above from the Qur'an. If na Isaac
You guys look for Mohamed in the Bible. When you do you do not ask yourselves if Mohamed needs to be mentioned by name in the Bible. But now that it comes to Ishmael you don't think that he has to be mentioned by name. Instead you can just the magic of Moslem reasoning to deduce it. Interesting!

Islamic sources were referenced in the video but you conveniently avoided talking about them. Are you denying your books just to win a debate or are you afraid of the truth?

See what the Koran proves:
Sura 11:69-73

Sahih International
And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf.

But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob.

She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"

They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable."

In the koran Abraham's relationship with Sarah is the one HIGHLIGHTED. Not the one between him and Hagar.

If Ishmael was the FOCUS why didn't the Koran emphasise it?

Again in the Koran we have: "we gave him.......Isaac" and "we blessed him and Isaac". Why no specifics like these for Ishmael?
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 11:09am On Apr 07
sagenaija:

You guys look for Mohamed in the Bible. When you do you do not ask yourselves if Mohamed needs to be mentioned by name in the Bible. But now that it comes to Ishmael you don't think that he has to be mentioned by name. Instead you can just the magic of Moslem reasoning to deduce it. Interesting!

Islamic sources were referenced in the video but you conveniently avoided talking about them. Are you denying your books just to win a debate or are you afraid of the truth?

See what the Koran proves:
Sura 11:69-73

Sahih International
And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf.

But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob.

She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"

They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable."

In the koran Abraham's relationship with Sarah is the one HIGHLIGHTED. Not the one between him and Hagar.

If Ishmael was the FOCUS why didn't the Koran emphasise it?

Again in the Koran we have: "we gave him.......Isaac" and "we blessed him and Isaac". Why no specifics like these for Ishmael?

Because the Qur'an is not a story book like the Bible. It is an eternal message for the world.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 8:02pm On Apr 07
AntiChristian:


Because the Qur'an is not a story book like the Bible. It is an eternal message for the world.

You are partially correct about the Bible. It contains historical facts which are necessary. Without history , man is no where and life on earth would have been full of wars and chaos.

It is history that makes you to know your origin and ancestors. Most land disputes are caused by lack of historical fact and are resolved by references to oral and written histories.

The Bible also gives the commandments or laws of God to the believers in order to escape eternal damnation.

But you are 100% wrong about the Quran.

The Quran is partially a story book .
It is different from the Bible in that it contains fictitious stories and fables:

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذَا تُتْلٰى عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايٰتُنَا قَالُوا قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَآءُ لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هٰذَآ ۙ إِنْ هٰذَآ إِلَّآ أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 31)

"And those who disbelieve say, This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it. But they have committed an injustice and a lie."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 4)

It also contains satanic laws and instructions which are meant to take people to hell.

Allah SWT said:
الرِّجَالُ قَوّٰمُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلٰى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوٰلِهِمْ ۚ فَالصّٰلِحٰتُ قٰنِتٰتٌ حٰفِظٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَالّٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِى الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ۖ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 34)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 2:48pm On Apr 08
AntiChristian:


Because the Qur'an is not a story book like the Bible. It is an eternal message for the world.
Even though it is hard for you guys to admit when you're wrong and your opponent is right one can still see when that happens.

The Bible is a story book of God's eternal message to the world. It started with his creation of the world, how man fell from grace to grass and his redemptive work through Jesus Christ and the ultimate restoration of man to glory in eternity.

It doesn't have the fairytale like we have in the Koran. It doesn't move from one issue to a completely different one as in the Koran. It has a FLOW. Like the story we've been looking at: it is clear and direct in the Bible. No ambiguity. No room for guesswork or misinterpretation. No TWO opinions by different scholars. Just one straightforward story. One CLEAR message. That is the Bible for you.

Isaac is part of God's redemption story. Through him would come the one who will ultimately come as God's sacrifice for mankind's sin - Jesus Christ. Isaac was uniquely birthed - his mother was past child bearing age and his father had lost all sexual power. It took JEHOVAH to restore them to the position reproductive capacity for them to have Isaac.

Did God do that for fun? Absolutely not!

So, for that to be discountenanced and prefer a different person means that the devil is at work. That would mean refusing God's story and creating a new one - a false one. A different NARRATIVE. And we know which religion "the standard Narratives have holes" in them.

May God open your eyes to the truth.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 3:08pm On Apr 08
enilove:


You are partially correct about the Bible. It contains historical facts which are necessary. Without history , man is no where and life on earth would have been full of wars and chaos.

It is history that makes you to know your origin and ancestors. Most land disputes are caused by lack of historical fact and are resolved by references to oral and written histories.

The Bible also gives the commandments or laws of God to the believers in order to escape eternal damnation.


But you are 100% wrong about the Quran.

The Quran is partially a story book .
It is different from the Bible in that it contains fictitious stories and fables:

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذَا تُتْلٰى عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايٰتُنَا قَالُوا قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَآءُ لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هٰذَآ ۙ إِنْ هٰذَآ إِلَّآ أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 31)

When the Qur'an is recited to some people they say "tales of the ancient". Does this now prove it contains fables and fictitious stories? Even the hearers said "If they had willed they could have say (something) like this. Were they willing to say fictitious stories and fables?
Holy Spirit gone haywire in your head!


"And those who disbelieve say, This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it. But they have committed an injustice and a lie."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 4)

Almost all scriptures/revelations were denied from Noah, Moses, etc.
So does that make them fictitious and fables?
You are a disbeliever quoting the words as said by the disbelievers!


It also contains satanic laws and instructions which are meant to take people to hell.

Allah SWT said:
الرِّجَالُ قَوّٰمُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلٰى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوٰلِهِمْ ۚ فَالصّٰلِحٰتُ قٰنِتٰتٌ حٰفِظٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَالّٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِى الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ۖ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 34)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

grin

So how does the above verse lead to hell from what the Holy Spirit guided you to understand from it?
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 3:39pm On Apr 08
sagenaija:

Even though it is hard for you guys to admit when you're wrong and your opponent is right one can still see when that happens.
You and your Yasir are wrong here.

The Bible is a story book of God's eternal message to the world. It started with his creation of the world, how man fell from grace to grass and his redemptive work through Jesus Christ and the ultimate restoration of man to glory in eternity.
Who wrote the books of the Bible? How can we authenticate these writers as regard their credibility? When was each books written? Who were its copiers? How was it protected from one generation to generation? And how reliable is the Bible since no two documents discovered are exactly alike?


It doesn't have the fairytale like we have in the Koran. It doesn't move from one issue to a completely different one as in the Koran. It has a FLOW. Like the story we've been looking at: it is clear and direct in the Bible. No ambiguity. No room for guesswork or misinterpretation. No TWO opinions by different scholars. Just one straightforward story. One CLEAR message. That is the Bible for you.

No Ambiguity na lie! No room for guesswork Na lie! Anyways! You are ignorant. I don't expect you to know much about the Bible as you only read the English version that suits your denomination.

Isaac is part of God's redemption story. Through him would come the one who will ultimately come as God's sacrifice for mankind's sin - Jesus Christ. Isaac was uniquely birthed - his mother was past child bearing age and his father had lost all sexual power. It took JEHOVAH to restore them to the position reproductive capacity for them to have Isaac. Did God do that for fun? Absolutely not!

So, for that to be discountenanced and prefer a different person means that the devil is at work. That would mean refusing God's story and creating a new one - a false one. A different NARRATIVE. And we know which religion "the standard Narratives have holes" in them.

May God open your eyes to the truth.

The God of the Bible is so fair. He approved the fertilization of a human then treats him discriminately. Alhamdulillah! I no dey serve a discriminatory God. The same way the slave was born is the same way the free is born. Slavery does not determine one's destiny.

Why does God need human's/other's help to redeem...? Enough of all this nonsense animal blood then Jesus's blood Babalawo ritualistic sacrifice. Can't your God redeem without ritual blood?

I think I once told you the holes exists in your head!
And I wish you Allah's guidance soon.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 5:01pm On Apr 08
AntiChristian:



When the Qur'an is recited to some people they say "tales of the ancient". Does this now prove it contains fables and fictitious stories? Even the hearers said "If they had willed they could have say (something) like this. Were they willing to say fictitious stories and fables?
Holy Spirit gone haywire in your head!

Almost all scriptures/revelations were denied from Noah, Moses, etc.
So does that make them fictitious and fables?
You are a disbeliever quoting the words as said by the disbelievers!
grin
So how does the above verse lead to hell from what the Holy Spirit guided you to understand from it?

Is this not a fable :
Allah SWT said:
"Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
"So [Solomon] smiled, amused at her speech, and said, My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to do righteousness of which You approve. And admit me by Your mercy into [the ranks of] Your righteous servants."
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 18 -19)

Another example of revelation of hell fire is this:
Allah SWT said:
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

THIS REVELATION WAS GIVEN SO THAT YOU MUSLIMS CAN MARRY THE WIVES OF YOUR ADOPTED SONS.
WHY WAS ADOPTION CANCELLED BY ALLAH AFTER THIS REVELATION ?
WHEN DID IT BECOME AN ISSUE TO MARRY OR NOT TO MARRY YOUR SON'S WIFE ?

The Bible tells us not to divorce our wives and not to marry a divorcee . This is contrary to surah 33:37 above.

God is not an author of confusion . He does not speak with both sides of His mouth.

David that took another person's wife was rebuked by the lord and paid seriously for it , despite the fact that he repented and asked for forgiveness. He did not google a revelation like Muhammad.

2 Samuel 12:9-13 KJV
Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[10] Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. [11] Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. [12] For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[13] And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

STORIES LIKE THESE FROM THE BIBLE TEACH YOU TO FEAR GOD UNLIKE THAT OF THE QURAN.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by sagenaija: 10:55pm On Apr 08
AntiChristian:

Why does God need human's/other's help to redeem...? Enough of all this nonsense animal blood then Jesus's blood Babalawo ritualistic sacrifice. Can't your God redeem without ritual blood?

I think I once told you the holes exists in your head!
And I wish you Allah's guidance soon.
To just pick Yasir Qadhi's points and show how he is wrong has been difficult for you. And you are here spewing out nonsense.

When you kill rams in Islam, it is not nonsense to you. It is not ritualistic sacrifice; is it? If asked why you do it, you have no reason. You may resort to saying that it is because a previous prophet did it. Why did that prophet do it? You'll have no reason. When Allah and satan both have houses in the same Mecca, it is not nonsense to you. When you stone the devil without remembering that he is not a physical creature it is not nonsense to you. When you kiss the black stone without knowing why you do so, it is not nonsense to you. But when it comes to the only provision God made to make it possible for mankind to be reconciled to him, you call that nonsense. A provision he made himself. Only those with HOLES in their heads will prefer the former for the latter.

You prefer Mohamed who wasn't even sure of where he would end up. But the one you reject says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through me". You reject the emphatic and confident for the INSECURE and uncertain. Very unfortunate.

Why does your Allah need you to kiss the black stone, run up down two locations, stone the devil and all the other rituals you guys perform? Why does your Allah believe that fallible men can DO WORKS that will meet a divine standard unless his standards are at the human level?

At the end of the day the choice is yours - choose life and live or go on the way that leads to death.

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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 9:45am On Apr 09
sagenaija:

To just pick Yasir Qadhi's points and show how he is wrong has been difficult for you. And you are here spewing out nonsense.
The nonsense is from you and the Holy Spirit misleading you.


When you kill rams in Islam, it is not nonsense to you. It is not ritualistic sacrifice; is it? If asked why you do it, you have no reason. You may resort to saying that it is because a previous prophet did it. Why did that prophet do it? You'll have no reason. When Allah and satan both have houses in the same Mecca, it is not nonsense to you. When you stone the devil without remembering that he is not a physical creature it is not nonsense to you. When you kiss the black stone without knowing why you do so, it is not nonsense to you. But when it comes to the only provision God made to make it possible for mankind to be reconciled to him, you call that nonsense. A provision he made himself. Only those with HOLES in their heads will prefer the former for the latter.

Allah says: "It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him". Qur'an 22:37 So we slaughter as commanded in remembrance of Abraham as commanded by Allah's Apostle (salallahu alayhi wasalam).
This doesn't in any way mean we kill rams to be saved. Or how can you relate this with the ritualistic sacrifice of your God and his son?

Our religion is that of followership. We obey Allah and His Apostle. Same was commanded to the people of Noah, Moses, etc. They were to obey Allah and their respective Apostles. But they deny them and eventually perished. Majority of the People of Noah disbelieved in Allah and refused to board the ship believing the big heights/buildings can save them from the impending doom.


You prefer Mohamed who wasn't even sure of where he would end up. But the one you reject says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through me". You reject the emphatic and confident for the INSECURE and uncertain. Very unfortunate.
Muhammad was not certain till he received the revelation. Jesus was the way for the Israelites during his time. Moses was the way for his people during his time just as Noah was the way to salvation for his people during his time.
So Muhammad is the way now till resurrection day. All of the Prophets including Jesus were ignorant till they receive revelations.
In John 5:30 Jesus said "I can do nothing by myself.." Which means he doesn't have any power of his own.
And in Mat 24:36 & Mark 13:32 Jesus said "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." And this confirms that Jesus was ignorant and not omniscient like God.


Why does your Allah need you to kiss the black stone, run up down two locations, stone the devil and all the other rituals you guys perform? Why does your Allah believe that fallible men can DO WORKS that will meet a divine standard unless his standards are at the human level?
This question will open up more questions. Why does you God need you to worship Him?
Allah is not in need of us. We are the ones in need of Him.
Allah says:
“I did not create jinn and humans but that they worship Me (only). I do not want any sustenance from them and I do not want them to give me food. Verily Allah is the One Who Gives sustenance Who has the Strength of the Very Strong “(Adz Dzariat: 56-58)

And Allah says:
“O my servant, if all the people and the jinn from the earliest to the last, are all the ones most righteous, it does not add to my power. O my servant, if all the people and the jinn from the very first to the last, all be the most ridiculous, it does not diminish my power” (Narrated by Muslim, no.2577).

“If you do good, goodness is for yourself and if you do evil, then it is for yourself” (al-Isra: 7)

At the end of the day the choice is yours - choose life and live or go on the way that leads to death.
Allah says: "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers".
Qur'an 3:85

['Iesa (Jesus) said]: "And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets)." [Tafsir At-Tabari]
Qur'an 19:36
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by Canberra55: 10:14am On Apr 09
sagenaija:

You guys look for Mohamed in the Bible. When you do you do not ask yourselves if Mohamed needs to be mentioned by name in the Bible. But now that it comes to Ishmael you don't think that he has to be mentioned by name. Instead you can just the magic of Moslem reasoning to deduce it. Interesting!

Islamic sources were referenced in the video but you conveniently avoided talking about them. Are you denying your books just to win a debate or are you afraid of the truth?

See what the Koran proves:
Sura 11:69-73

Sahih International
And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf.

But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob.

She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"

They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable."

In the koran Abraham's relationship with Sarah is the one HIGHLIGHTED. Not the one between him and Hagar.

If Ishmael was the FOCUS why didn't the Koran emphasise it?

Again in the Koran we have: "we gave him.......Isaac" and "we blessed him and Isaac". Why no specifics like these for Ishmael?
Sage please leave this guy alone : he prefers to die blind, all in the name of following an illiterate rapist prophet. Nothing you bring here will change his mind.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by Canberra55: 10:15am On Apr 09
AntiChristian:


Because the Qur'an is not a story book like the Bible. It is an eternal message for the world.
even your Quran is now ETERNAL. JUST like your Allah. Just change your name to SHIRK already.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by Canberra55: 10:24am On Apr 09
Muslims stone the devil? Haaaaa I never hear this one before ooo. Just when I think I've had enough of Mohammed's stupidity,he keeps proving me wrong lol.
sagenaija:

To just pick Yasir Qadhi's points and show how he is wrong has been difficult for you. And you are here spewing out nonsense.

When you kill rams in Islam, it is not nonsense to you. It is not ritualistic sacrifice; is it? If asked why you do it, you have no reason. You may resort to saying that it is because a previous prophet did it. Why did that prophet do it? You'll have no reason. When Allah and satan both have houses in the same Mecca, it is not nonsense to you. When you stone the devil without remembering that he is not a physical creature it is not nonsense to you. When you kiss the black stone without knowing why you do so, it is not nonsense to you. But when it comes to the only provision God made to make it possible for mankind to be reconciled to him, you call that nonsense. A provision he made himself. Only those with HOLES in their heads will prefer the former for the latter.

You prefer Mohamed who wasn't even sure of where he would end up. But the one you reject says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through me". You reject the emphatic and confident for the INSECURE and uncertain. Very unfortunate.

Why does your Allah need you to kiss the black stone, run up down two locations, stone the devil and all the other rituals you guys perform? Why does your Allah believe that fallible men can DO WORKS that will meet a divine standard unless his standards are at the human level?

At the end of the day the choice is yours - choose life and live or go on the way that leads to death.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 10:45am On Apr 09
enilove:


Is this not a fable :
Allah SWT said:
"Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."
"So [Solomon] smiled, amused at her speech, and said, My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to do righteousness of which You approve. And admit me by Your mercy into [the ranks of] Your righteous servants."
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 18 -19)

Holy spirit needs spanking for making you have this thought. Solomon was granted abilities which include hearing the speech of animals. He then thanked Allah for granting him such. How is this a fable?

It is not a fable for biblical Solomon to have 300 wives and 700 concubines right?


Another example of revelation of hell fire is this:
Allah SWT said:
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

THIS REVELATION WAS GIVEN SO THAT YOU MUSLIMS CAN MARRY THE WIVES OF YOUR ADOPTED SONS.
WHY WAS ADOPTION CANCELLED BY ALLAH AFTER THIS REVELATION ?
WHEN DID IT BECOME AN ISSUE TO MARRY OR NOT TO MARRY YOUR SON'S WIFE ?

Allah permits whatever He wills through the Prophet and we are not to question anything from His command. Even the Prophet was cautioned in the verse you quoted. This simply makes the Qur'an the truth as even the Prophet was cautioned in it.

The Bible tells us not to divorce our wives and not to marry a divorcee . This is contrary to surah 33:37 above.

The Bible tells us...Can Bible talk? Since you are not sure who says what in it. And the Bible does not forbid divorce in case of sexual immorality and physical/emotional neglect/abuse, etc. Exo 21:10-11, Deut. 21: 11-14, Mat 5:31-32, Mat 19:8, 1 Cor: 7:15.....and many more verses.

God is not an author of confusion . He does not speak with both sides of His mouth.
But your God was accepting salvation from animal blood till he killed his son. Isn't this the greatest confusion in History? Remember Jesus said
"Father why have you forsaken me?" And you guys claim he was aware he was to be the sacrifice. The sacrifice of Abraham didn't complain like this.

David that took another person's wife was rebuked by the lord and paid seriously for it , despite the fact that he repented and asked for forgiveness. He did not google a revelation like Muhammad.
Your David was an adulterer, murderer, etc but our Dauud was free of all these sins! And so na google Muhammad used to search for revelation? You can claim their was electricity in Mecca that time tooo.

2 Samuel 12:9-13 KJV
Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[10] Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. [11] Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. [12] For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[13] And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

STORIES LIKE THESE FROM THE BIBLE TEACH YOU TO FEAR GOD UNLIKE THAT OF THE QURAN.

Why didn't you quote verses like:

1. 2 Kings 2:23-25
23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

2. Exodus 21:7-11
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Why many Languages?

Bible says in Genesis 11:1-7
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar [b] and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

Allah says in Surah 30:22
And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Lo! herein indeed are portents for men of knowledge.

According to the Bible, the difference in languages was a plot from God who felt jealous and afraid when He saw men speaking the same language.

Allah says in the Quran that the difference in languages is a miracle, and not a curse. Allah does not plot jealously against humans. All humans cannot do anything against the will of Allah and can neither harm nor benefit the Almighty Allah whether they speak one language or not.
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 1:31pm On Apr 09
AntiChristian:


Holy spirit needs spanking for making you have this thought. Solomon was granted abilities which include hearing the speech of animals. He then thanked Allah for granting him such. How is this a fable?
Allah says in the Quran that the difference in languages is a miracle, and not a curse. Allah does not plot jealously against humans. All humans cannot do anything against the will of Allah and can neither harm nor benefit the Almighty Allah whether they speak one language or not.

I am not surprised at your ignorant responses above , since you can believe a bewitched person to be a prophet.
No wonder you can't see in surah 33:37 that it was a man made revelation to cover up for Muhammad's evil.

Who told Muhammad that Solomon could hear ants speaking ? Is that not a fable ?
Things that never existed and are rediculous are what Muhammad claimed existed to fool the Arabs like him.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU

1) When Aishat was accused of adultery , Muhammad could not get any revelation from Allah to prove her innocence .
Why couldn't he ?

2)Muhammad was accused of stealing a piece of clothes why couldn't he prove his innocence and fish out the culprit ?

Allah SWT said:
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَنْ يَغُلَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيٰمَةِ ۚ ثُمَّ تُوَفّٰى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
"It is not [attributable] to any prophet that he would act unfaithfully [in regard to war booty]. And whoever betrays, [taking unlawfully], will come with what he took on the Day of Resurrection. Then will every soul be [fully] compensated for what it earned, and they will not be wronged."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 161)
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by AntiChristian: 2:55pm On Apr 09
enilove:


I am not surprised at your ignorant responses above , since you can believe a bewitched person to be a prophet.
No wonder you can't see in surah 33:37 that it was a man made revelation to cover up for Muhammad's evil.
Call me ignorant Jesus too gave an ignorant answer too. How was Muhammad a bewitched person? Was Paul too bewitched when he say the light and was blinded? He saw devil posed as Jesus. And this lead him to create Christianity. Biblical Jesus died a Jew.
No revelation in the Qur'an is man-made. That was one of the permissions granted to the prophet.


Who told Muhammad that Solomon could hear ants speaking ? Is that not a fable ?
Things that never existed and are rediculous are what Muhammad claimed existed to fool the Arabs like him.
If that story was in the Bible, you'll say it was copied but now na fable abi? Chai, Holy Spirit don corrupt your brain with nonsense. No wonder your the Yahweh of Adeboye dey drink his tea.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU

1) When Aishat was accused of adultery , Muhammad could not get any revelation from Allah to prove her innocence .
Why couldn't he ?
He didn't get a revelation or it came much later?

2)Muhammad was accused of stealing a piece of clothes why couldn't he prove his innocence and fish out the culprit ?

Allah SWT said:
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَنْ يَغُلَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيٰمَةِ ۚ ثُمَّ تُوَفّٰى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
"It is not [attributable] to any prophet that he would act unfaithfully [in regard to war booty]. And whoever betrays, [taking unlawfully], will come with what he took on the Day of Resurrection. Then will every soul be [fully] compensated for what it earned, and they will not be wronged."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 161)

Yes, he may have been accused and all exonerated him in the verse. All Prophets are free from sins like this. It is only in the Bible that Prophets became drunk & naked, commit murder and adultery.
Jesus was accused of insanity in the Bible. Does that really mean he was insane?

And why do you keep cutting out part of the response that your Holy spirit couldn't respond to?
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Apr 09
ISAAC!
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 3:39pm On Apr 09
AntiChristian:

Call me ignorant Jesus too gave an ignorant answer too. How was Muhammad a bewitched person? Was Paul too bewitched when he say the light and was blinded? He saw devil posed as Jesus. And this lead him to create Christianity. Biblical Jesus died a Jew.
No revelation in the Qur'an is man-made. That was one of the permissions granted to the prophet.


If that story was in the Bible, you'll say it was copied but now na fable abi? Chai, Holy Spirit don corrupt your brain with nonsense. No wonder your the Yahweh of Adeboye dey drink his tea.

He didn't get a revelation or it came much later?

Yes, he may have been accused and all exonerated him in the verse. All Prophets are free from sins like this. It is only in the Bible that Prophets became drunk & naked, commit murder and adultery.
Jesus was accused of insanity in the Bible. Does that really mean he was insane?

And why do you keep cutting out part of the response that your Holy spirit couldn't respond to?

There is no prophet in the Bible that was drunk and naked , committed murder and adultery. These are only known with your bewitched prophet.
Muhammad was the only prophet that was accused of STEALING . What a shame.
He was a murderer , a pedophile , a thief , a demon possessed , a drinker of human blood,an adulterer and an idolater.
I can prove all these from your Islamic books.

Prove me wrong.

Your answers are always upside down.
Was it written that Paul was bewitched or that actually Jesus was insane? No . They were not misbehaving unlike Muhammad .

You asked how Muhammad was bewitched ? Let me show you how :

Hadith
Narrated `Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet (ﷺ) so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself. Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet (ﷺ) went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils." I asked, "Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, "No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3268
In-book : Book 59, Hadith 78

THIS IS NOT AN ABUSE OR ACCUSATIONS , THIS IS A FACT THAT MUHAMAMAD WAS BEWITCHED BY THE DEVIL.

It is there4 not a surprise when he started getting satanic verses .
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by pxcrown: 3:39pm On Apr 09
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Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by enilove(m): 3:43pm On Apr 09
AntiChristian:

Call me ignorant Jesus too gave an ignorant answer too. How was Muhammad a bewitched person? Was Paul too bewitched when he say the light and was blinded? He saw devil posed as Jesus. And this lead him to create Christianity. Biblical Jesus died a Jew.
No revelation in the Qur'an is man-made. That was one of the permissions granted to the prophet.


If that story was in the Bible, you'll say it was copied but now na fable abi? Chai, Holy Spirit don corrupt your brain with nonsense. No wonder your the Yahweh of Adeboye dey drink his tea.

He didn't get a revelation or it came much later?

Yes, he may have been accused and all exonerated him in the verse. All Prophets are free from sins like this. It is only in the Bible that Prophets became drunk & naked, commit murder and adultery.
Jesus was accused of insanity in the Bible. Does that really mean he was insane?

And why do you keep cutting out part of the response that your Holy spirit couldn't respond to?

There is no prophet in the Bible that was drunk and naked , committed murder and adultery. These are only known with your bewitched prophet.
Muhammad was the only prophet that was accused of STEALING . What a shame.
He was a murderer , a pedophile , a thief , a demon possessed , a drinker of human blood,an adulterer and an idolater.
I can prove all these from your Islamic books.
Can you prove me wrong?

Your answers are always upside down.
Was it written that Paul was bewitched or that actually Jesus was insane? No . They were not misbehaving unlike Muhammad .

You asked how Muhammad was bewitched ? Let me show you how :

Hadith
Narrated `Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet (ﷺ) so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself. Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet (ﷺ) went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils." I asked, "Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, "No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3268
In-book : Book 59, Hadith 78

THIS IS NOT AN ABUSE OR ACCUSATIONS , THIS IS A FACT THAT MUHAMAMAD WAS BEWITCHED BY THE DEVIL.

It is there4 not a surprise when he started getting satanic verses :

Allah SWT said:
وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

Lastly , I cut your responses to what I post to shorten it .
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by Kobojunkiee: 4:59pm On Apr 09
AntiChristian:
It is proven from the Qu'ran and Sunnah that it was Isma'eel and not Ishaq that Ibraheem wanted to sacrifice.

Praise be to Allah.

Allaah says of His slave and Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

And he said (after his rescue from the fire): “Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!”

“My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.”

So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: “O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!” He said: “O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In shaa’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).”

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: “O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!” Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);

And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations.

“Salaam (peace) be upon Ibraaheem!”

Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

We blessed him and Ishaaq (Isaac). And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.” [al-Saaffaat 37:99-113)
But what you posted says Ishaaq is the one on the scene who was eventually blessed . undecided
Re: Yasir Qadhi: Who Did God Ask Abraham To Sacrifice? Isaac Not Ishmael by haekymbahd(m): 5:06am On Apr 10
Kobojunkiee:
But what you posted says Ishaaq is the one on the scene who was eventually blessed . undecided
Allah SWT said:

"And We gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - all [of them] We guided. And Noah, We guided before; and among his descendants, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the doers of good."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 84)

"And Zechariah and John and Jesus and Elias - and all were of the righteous."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 85)

"And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot - and all [of them] We preferred over the worlds."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 86)


"And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 87)

"And they did not appraise Allah with true appraisal when they said, Allah did not reveal to a human being anything. Say, Who revealed the Scripture that Moses brought as light and guidance to the people? You [Jews] make it into pages, disclosing [some of] it and concealing much. And you were taught that which you knew not - neither you nor your fathers. Say, Allah [revealed it]. Then leave them in their [empty] discourse, amusing themselves."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 91)

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