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2 Timothy 2:19 KJV
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Matthew 7:1-5 NKJV
[1] “Judge not, that you be not judged. [2] For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. [3] And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? [4] Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? [5] Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

Let him that reads understand.

Going to which hell again? Is not this same man said there is no hell fire? And too, said sin cannot take anyone to hell. Why now?

Jayhome24:
Ndooh!!!

I will be alright las las.

Of course, b*tch...

HedgesTV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRpUVxp_TU

Nigerian Apostle Abel Damina has gone Viral for criticizing the Catholic Church while making very controversial statements like “ They are on their way to Hell “.

This clip got a lot of mixed reactions from people in the Christian community.

Full video above.

1 Corinthians 11:23-26?

LoneSoldier:
Of course, b*tch...

Ndooh your healing is on the way. You will be alright las las.

Wallade:
Who is the man that he worships?

Jesus Christ of course

We just need a reset on our thinking abilities
No one talks when someone stole billions meant for development
No one gather to fight every lie called law because they find greed in it
People won't condemn bad act because they Re gaining from it
But when it comes to things of tribe religion it turns to war
Why won't politicians use the opportunity

I was told we should always say a prayer to Nigeria but the people keep amusing me daily with there attitude

Ectics is important in ones life knowing what to do at the right time is far way better

NobleStag007:
Jesus Christ of course

wot is difference worshiping man or god?
Its d samething

Jayhome24:
I will share your replys and post it to nairaland mods, just the way I shared the last two.

Oh really, so you where trying to get my attention, so you can share my replies to nairaland mods, well go ahead modaf*cker.... Jobless miscreant....

Jayhome24:
I will share your replies and post it to nairaland mods, just the way I shared the last two.

Oh really, so you where trying to get my attention, so you can share my replies to nairaland mods, well go ahead modaf*cker.... Jobless miscreant....

The most dangerous thing to attack is a man's faith

Even Paul Apostle did not dare attack the worshipping of the "Unknown God", instead, he praise them to offer to enlighten them on the identity of the "Unknown God"

NobleStag007:
Jesus Christ of course

This chat is pointless. Have a nice day.

Sobalim:
You be pure Mumu man

LiKE your pastor right?

Looking4Trouble:
Oloriburuku Oloshi somebody.

Better go and form your own Religion, this Christianity that you claim to be practicing is owned by the Catholics, they established it and decide what is right or wrong

Catholics are not considered Christians.
Christianity are people who practice the teaching of Christ...
But you rather worship holy Mary and all sorts of Roman (Roman people) saints

Krismas:
wot is difference worshiping man or god?
Its d samething

The moment man equate or think or accept his or her God has anything in common with man. He has lost it

NobleStag007:
The moment man equate or think or accept his or her God has anything in common with man. He has lost it

U don't know nothing about god.
what is god? Lets start from there

lagonovo:
What if God's view is different from your human conclusion on this? The keyword is "worship". After the emphatic 10 commandments, we had the story in Numbers 21: 4-9 where symbolic image was used. There was also the Ark of the Covenant and you also know the story of Uzzah in 2 Samuel 6. Keep in mind that this same Mary carried Jesus whose presence within her led to Elizabeth's words and Mary's response, read Luke 1. That's why some early christians refered to her as new covenant ark of the covenant. The same Mary was central at the very first miracle, Cana in Galilee. She was by the cross, she was with the apostles when the holy spirit descended on them.

Most of these events and many more are probably symbolic. Revelations chapter 12 is another one especially Revelations 12:17.

How was she central to the first miracle, by performing it? Have you read the whole of Rev 12? Do you think the scripture is really about Mary?

When someone told Jesus these words, "blessed is the womb that bore you, and blessed is the breast you sucked", What was his reply? He said “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it”. This was a good situation where he could have affirmed the authority of his mother. Why did he not?

Every Christian has to hold Mary in high esteem as the earthly mother of Jesus. But other than that, She holds no power, she lived and died like a mortal. After Jesus departed to heaven and left the disciples to continue the good news, Mary was with them.

Was she revered and worshipped by the apostles? When did the devotion and the reverence to Mary start? If it did not start with Jesus Christ and the disciples, are we saying that Christianity is subject to changes and 'plus and minuses'?

People say they don't worship Mary, they pray to her. As Christians can we separate worship from prayer?

These are genuine questions. I hope it does not lead to a fight or anything. I would hate that.

Ewu

Krismas:
U don't know nothing about god.
what is god? Lets start from there

The Creator of all.

WowSweetGuy:
Mary never died but was transferred from earthly to heavenly existence without undergoing death.

How do you know this? Pope Pius declared it in 1950. Are you convinced that it is true?

LoneSoldier:
Oh really, so you where trying to get my attention, so you can share my replies to nairaland mods, well go ahead modaf*cker.... Jobless miscreant....

Pls why cant you shut up pizzazz

Jayhome24:
Pls why cant I shut up pizzazz

Madman

Those things catholics are doing there is occultic. They progress because, they seems to know what they worship and they serve it well. About making heaven, na God go decide that one

I thought Damina is a theologian , now i know is one of these road sides so call preacher.
Even Christ on the last super gave out bread as His body and wine as His blood and commanded His disciples to always repeat the breaking of bread in His memory

Jayhome24:
Pls why cant you shut up pizzazz

Keep sharing it

Only God really knows who will make it to heaven God doesn't belong to any denomination

When you want advertise your church business, just attack the Catholics.

He should focus on his tithe

Not a problem, I will try my best to source some info and provide responses to your posers regarding Mary, her role, and the way the Catholic Church views her. This is to emphasize Mary’s unique role in salvation history, her deep connection to Christ, and the Church's consistent reverence for her as the Mother of God. The opinion here might differ from other Christian denominations, but just like you, the goal is to clarify, and to foster a deeper understanding of the faith. Faith is faith, not science. Keep in mind that I refer to the more traditional Catholics. There are Catholics who lean towards some form of Pentecostalism with zero focus on Mary or the saints, they focus more singularly on Christ and their respective individual and collective roles in the earthly realm. While others are a mix. Bottomline, there is a reason why we call it "faith".

1. How was she central to the first miracle, by performing it?
Catholics often interpret the event at the wedding of Cana (John 2:1-11) as significant in understanding Mary’s role. In this passage, Mary informs Jesus that the wine has run out, prompting Jesus to perform His first miracle. While Mary does not "perform" the miracle directly, her role is central because she acts as an intercessor, bringing the problem to Jesus’ attention. Catholic theology sees this as an example of Mary's intercession, where she acts as a mediator between humanity and Christ. The key is that Jesus listens to His mother and responds to her request, demonstrating her unique role in salvation history.

2. Have you read the whole of Revelation 12? Do you think the scripture is really about Mary?
Catholics tend to see Revelation 12 as a symbolic depiction of Mary, particularly in the vision of the woman clothed with the sun, who gives birth to a male child (interpreted as Christ) and is pursued by a dragon (symbolizing Satan). While some Protestants see this passage as purely symbolic of the Church or Israel, Catholics believe it also refers to Mary, who bore Jesus Christ and has a special role in God's plan of salvation. This interpretation is supported by the Church’s historical teachings and its understanding of Mary as the Mother of the Church.

3. When someone told Jesus, "blessed is the womb that bore you," What was his reply?
Jesus’ reply, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (Luke 11:27-28), emphasizes the importance of obedience to God’s will, rather than elevating His mother above others. However, most Catholics emphasize that Jesus’ statement is not a rejection of Mary's unique role, but rather a teaching on discipleship. Jesus is emphasizing that all believers who follow God's Word and keep His commandments are blessed, but this does not negate Mary's unique, blessed role as the Mother of God. In fact, Catholic teaching holds that Mary is the epitome of one who hears God’s word and keeps it perfectly.

4. Every Christian has to hold Mary in high esteem as the earthly mother of Jesus. But other than that, she holds no power.
Catholic theology maintains that Mary is not just a mortal woman but has been given a special role in salvation history. While she lived and died like a mortal, Catholics believe she was assumed into Heaven (Assumption of Mary) and now holds a unique position as the Queen of Heaven, interceding for the faithful. The idea of Mary's "power" is not that she is independent of God, but that she has been given a special relationship with Him that allows her to intercede on behalf of humanity. Catholics do not view Mary as a source of power in herself, but as a powerful intercessor who points the faithful toward Christ.

5. Was she revered and worshipped by the apostles?
Catholics argue that the apostles certainly held Mary in high esteem, though the type of reverence and devotion that grew over the centuries was more fully articulated later in Church history. The apostles themselves were focused on the proclamation of the Gospel, but Mary’s special role was recognized and honored within the early Church, especially by the time of the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, which declared Mary as "Theotokos" (God-bearer). While the devotion to Mary developed over time, Catholics believe this devotion is deeply rooted in the Church's early understanding of her role as the Mother of Jesus and the Church.

6. When did the devotion and the reverence to Mary start?
Devotion to Mary began in the early Church, with the first major recognition of her role coming at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD. However, the veneration of Mary likely began much earlier, as the early Christians honored her as the mother of their Savior. The Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55) is an early proclamation of Mary’s significance. The Church’s understanding of Mary has deepened over the centuries, but her central role in salvation history has always been recognized, even if expressed more fully at later points.

7. If it did not start with Jesus Christ and the disciples, are we saying that Christianity is subject to changes and 'plus and minuses'?
Catholics would argue that the development of devotion to Mary is part of the Church’s living tradition, which grows and deepens over time. Catholicism teaches that the Church, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, develops a deeper understanding of revelation over time without changing the core truths of the faith. The teachings on Mary are seen not as changes to the Gospel but as clarifications of the Church’s understanding of her role in God's plan. The idea is that as the Church reflects on Scripture and tradition, it may come to a fuller appreciation of certain truths.

8. People say they don't worship Mary, they pray to her. As Christians, can we separate worship from prayer?
Catholics make a clear distinction between worship (latria) and veneration (dulia). Worship is due to God alone, while veneration is an honor given to saints and Mary, as the greatest of saints. Catholics pray to Mary not to worship her, but to ask for her intercession with her Son, Jesus. Catholics believe that prayer to Mary is a form of asking her to pray for them, just as one might ask a friend to pray for them. This is not worship, but a recognition of her special role as the Mother of the Church and the intercessor for all Christians.

9. These are genuine questions, and I hope it does not lead to a fight or anything.
Catholics would affirm that these are indeed valid and important questions, and they would encourage respectful dialogue. The goal is to provide a reasonable and respectful explanation of the faith, helping to clear up misunderstandings while fostering unity and charity.

bunnae:
How was she central to the first miracle, by performing it? Have you read the whole of Rev 12? Do you think the scripture is really about Mary?

When someone told Jesus these words, "blessed is the womb that bore you, and blessed is the breast you sucked", What was his reply? He said “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it”. This was a good situation where he could have affirmed the authority of his mother. Why did he not?

Every Christian has to hold Mary in high esteem as the earthly mother of Jesus. But other than that, She holds no power, she lived and died like a mortal. After Jesus departed to heaven and left the disciples to continue the good news, Mary was with them.

Was she revered and worshipped by the apostles? When did the devotion and the reverence to Mary start? If it did not start with Jesus Christ and the disciples, are we saying that Christianity is subject to changes and 'plus and minuses'?

People say they don't worship Mary, they pray to her. As Christians can we separate worship from prayer?

These are genuine questions. I hope it does not lead to a fight or anything. I would hate that.

Don't judge so that you should not be judged

Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

NobleStag007:
The Creator of all.

How are u so sure?
Sorry to burst ur bubble,
No god is creator of anything.
All gods die
And your religion, which u're so proud of,
is a fabrication as well.

Krismas:
How are u so sure?
Sorry to burst ur bubble,
No god is creator of anything.
All gods die
And your religion, which u're so proud of,
is a fabrication as well.

So you think everything came from nothing right?