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Krismas:
He told u fact. But u too proud to listen.
Catholic Church is different from the Roman Catholic. And the first split was around 600yrs ago, when Greek orthodox left the Catholic Church. Luther ke? Luther na mumu

lagonovo:
What if God's view is different from your human conclusion on this? The keyword is "worship". After the emphatic 10 commandments, we had the story in Numbers 21: 4-9 where symbolic image was used. There was also the Ark of the Covenant and you also know the story of Uzzah in 2 Samuel 6. Keep in mind that this same Mary carried Jesus whose presence within her led to Elizabeth's words and Mary's response, read Luke 1. That's why some early christians refered to her as new covenant ark of the covenant. The same Mary was central at the very first miracle, Cana in Galilee. She was by the cross, she was with the apostles when the holy spirit descended on them.

Most of these events and many more are probably symbolic. Revelations chapter 12 is another one especially Revelations 12:17.

Augustine2244:
Ewoo! Judges everywhere declaring who will go to hell and who won't.
What does the Scriptures say about not judging so that one would not be judged?
All these useless Pentecostal pastors,eeh!
Brethren, don't be surprised that this man's name isn't on the Book of Life and he is here stupidly declaring Catholics as hell bound.
This is one reason why I encourage people to avoid all these useless Pentecostal churches, because they are such an annoying nuisance to the society.
Nobody on earth is more judgemental than religious fools of Pentecostal churches, and their idiotic pulpit bandits of pastors.
In this life, the worst and most dangerous instrument of manipulation is RELIGION and the most dangerous form is Religious Manipulation.
China saw this and thus maintains a tight and strict control of its religious sphere.
During the Soviet Union Era, The Joseph Stalin administration greatly repressed and even shut churches, though not all because of this _RELIGIOUS MANIPULATION.
In the then Soviet Union, churches were becoming unnecessarily politically inclined and amassing influence and power.
So the Joseph Stalin saw the need to tame churches and religious leaders.
Nigeria needs a leader who would render all these useless Pentecostal churches into oblivion including the pastors.
Religious manipulation has made fools out of many in this country and still is.It has taken people's senses away from their heads, made them zombies without discretion, and direction.
Anywhere their pastor directs them,they zombifyingly go.
Nowadays, Satan and his demons are just sitting, sipping Champagne and relaxing without bothering to hunt for souls because Useless Nigeria Pentecostal churches and pastors are doing the job very well for them.
They say clubs are houses of iniquities but for me,many Nigerian Pentecostal churches are doorways by which thousands of fools are stupidly marching to eternal damnation in Hell

zedman1:
Okay, I agree, 600 years ago. Lol. Which kind mumu analysis be this? Jon snow.....you know nothing!

NobleStag007:
So you think everything came from nothing right?

Krismas:
By everything, what do you mean?
Cos alot of things were made by man.
No god made man, plus every god, was equally created.

NobleStag007:
For example Man..
Man sprung out of thin air right

Krismas:
Man was not created by any god.
The being you call god, was equally created by same process that created man.

NobleStag007:
You are not answering my question..

What's the origin of man creation.. sprung from thin air or big bang or evolution from monkey lol

gasparpisciotta:
Catholicism is the headquarters of idolatry in the world.

Visit the Vatican before arguments please.

They worship and bow down to all sorts of statues in the name of Saints.

Krismas:
Evolution theory never said man evolved from monkey.
As for ur question, man was created by evolution

NobleStag007:
Created by evolution from nothing abi?

What man evolved from is air Abi


You are damn funny

Augustine2244:
Ewoo! Judges everywhere declaring who will go to hell and who won't.
What does the Scriptures say about not judging so that one would not be judged?
All these useless Pentecostal pastors,eeh!
Brethren, don't be surprised that this man's name isn't on the Book of Life and he is here stupidly declaring Catholics as hell bound.
This is one reason why I encourage people to avoid all these useless Pentecostal churches, because they are such an annoying nuisance to the society.
Nobody on earth is more judgemental than religious fools of Pentecostal churches, and their idiotic pulpit bandits of pastors.
In this life, the worst and most dangerous instrument of manipulation is RELIGION and the most dangerous form is Religious Manipulation.
China saw this and thus maintains a tight and strict control of its religious sphere.
During the Soviet Union Era, The Joseph Stalin administration greatly repressed and even shut churches, though not all because of this _RELIGIOUS MANIPULATION.
In the then Soviet Union, churches were becoming unnecessarily politically inclined and amassing influence and power.
So the Joseph Stalin saw the need to tame churches and religious leaders.
Nigeria needs a leader who would render all these useless Pentecostal churches into oblivion including the pastors.
Religious manipulation has made fools out of many in this country and still is.It has taken people's senses away from their heads, made them zombies without discretion, and direction.
Anywhere their pastor directs them,they zombifyingly go.
Nowadays, Satan and his demons are just sitting, sipping Champagne and relaxing without bothering to hunt for souls because Useless Nigeria Pentecostal churches and pastors are doing the job very well for them.
They say clubs are houses of iniquities but for me,many Nigerian Pentecostal churches are doorways by which thousands of fools are stupidly marching to eternal damnation in Hell

Krismas:
Why do u take air for granted?
From what was air created? How did air come about?

Arostar2023:
You are deflecting...most core truths are simple and seemly childish. You don't need to know Greek and Latin to know certain things. Simply reading the Bible will give you the answers.

There was no time in the Bible that the early church was called "Roman Catholic". Instead there was a church in Rome, that was under the leadership of the apostles in Jerusalem.

ChizzyBuna:
Hellfire was over crowded with millions of Protestant members.

So Devil beg God to send some catholics to Hellfire
To balance out the number of protestants ganishing in Hellfire

According to Statisense
Here are the population in Hell

1. Protestants ( 890 million)
2. Jehovah Witness (200 million)
3. Catholics (120k thousand)
4. Hindu (41 million)
5. Anglican (87 million)
6. Methodist (33 million)
7. Muslims (485 billion)

ChizzyBuna:
Hellfire was over crowded with millions of Protestant members.

So Devil beg God to send some catholics to Hellfire
To balance out the number of protestants ganishing in Hellfire

According to Statisense
Here are the population in Hell
Hahahahahaha, why muslim, d religion of P come plenty pass
1. Protestants ( 890 million)
2. Jehovah Witness (200 million)
3. Catholics (120k thousand)
4. Hindu (41 million)
5. Anglican (87 million)
6. Methodist (33 million)
7. Muslims (485 billion)

lagonovo:
Not a problem, I will try my best to source some info and provide responses to your posers regarding Mary, her role, and the way the Catholic Church views her. This is to emphasize Mary’s unique role in salvation history, her deep connection to Christ, and the Church's consistent reverence for her as the Mother of God. The opinion here might differ from other Christian denominations, but just like you, the goal is to clarify, and to foster a deeper understanding of the faith. Faith is faith, not science. Keep in mind that I refer to the more traditional Catholics. There are Catholics who lean towards some form of Pentecostalism with zero focus on Mary or the saints, they focus more singularly on Christ and their respective individual and collective roles in the earthly realm. While others are a mix. Bottomline, there is a reason why we call it "faith".

1. How was she central to the first miracle, by performing it?
Catholics often interpret the event at the wedding of Cana (John 2:1-11) as significant in understanding Mary’s role. In this passage, Mary informs Jesus that the wine has run out, prompting Jesus to perform His first miracle. While Mary does not "perform" the miracle directly, her role is central because she acts as an intercessor, bringing the problem to Jesus’ attention. Catholic theology sees this as an example of Mary's intercession, where she acts as a mediator between humanity and Christ. The key is that Jesus listens to His mother and responds to her request, demonstrating her unique role in salvation history.

2. Have you read the whole of Revelation 12? Do you think the scripture is really about Mary?
Catholics tend to see Revelation 12 as a symbolic depiction of Mary, particularly in the vision of the woman clothed with the sun, who gives birth to a male child (interpreted as Christ) and is pursued by a dragon (symbolizing Satan). While some Protestants see this passage as purely symbolic of the Church or Israel, Catholics believe it also refers to Mary, who bore Jesus Christ and has a special role in God's plan of salvation. This interpretation is supported by the Church’s historical teachings and its understanding of Mary as the Mother of the Church.

3. When someone told Jesus, "blessed is the womb that bore you," What was his reply?
Jesus’ reply, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (Luke 11:27-28), emphasizes the importance of obedience to God’s will, rather than elevating His mother above others. However, most Catholics emphasize that Jesus’ statement is not a rejection of Mary's unique role, but rather a teaching on discipleship. Jesus is emphasizing that all believers who follow God's Word and keep His commandments are blessed, but this does not negate Mary's unique, blessed role as the Mother of God. In fact, Catholic teaching holds that Mary is the epitome of one who hears God’s word and keeps it perfectly.

4. Every Christian has to hold Mary in high esteem as the earthly mother of Jesus. But other than that, she holds no power.
Catholic theology maintains that Mary is not just a mortal woman but has been given a special role in salvation history. While she lived and died like a mortal, Catholics believe she was assumed into Heaven (Assumption of Mary) and now holds a unique position as the Queen of Heaven, interceding for the faithful. The idea of Mary's "power" is not that she is independent of God, but that she has been given a special relationship with Him that allows her to intercede on behalf of humanity. Catholics do not view Mary as a source of power in herself, but as a powerful intercessor who points the faithful toward Christ.

5. Was she revered and worshipped by the apostles?
Catholics argue that the apostles certainly held Mary in high esteem, though the type of reverence and devotion that grew over the centuries was more fully articulated later in Church history. The apostles themselves were focused on the proclamation of the Gospel, but Mary’s special role was recognized and honored within the early Church, especially by the time of the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, which declared Mary as "Theotokos" (God-bearer). While the devotion to Mary developed over time, Catholics believe this devotion is deeply rooted in the Church's early understanding of her role as the Mother of Jesus and the Church.

6. When did the devotion and the reverence to Mary start?
Devotion to Mary began in the early Church, with the first major recognition of her role coming at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD. However, the veneration of Mary likely began much earlier, as the early Christians honored her as the mother of their Savior. The Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55) is an early proclamation of Mary’s significance. The Church’s understanding of Mary has deepened over the centuries, but her central role in salvation history has always been recognized, even if expressed more fully at later points.

7. If it did not start with Jesus Christ and the disciples, are we saying that Christianity is subject to changes and 'plus and minuses'?
Catholics would argue that the development of devotion to Mary is part of the Church’s living tradition, which grows and deepens over time. Catholicism teaches that the Church, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, develops a deeper understanding of revelation over time without changing the core truths of the faith. The teachings on Mary are seen not as changes to the Gospel but as clarifications of the Church’s understanding of her role in God's plan. The idea is that as the Church reflects on Scripture and tradition, it may come to a fuller appreciation of certain truths.

8. People say they don't worship Mary, they pray to her. As Christians, can we separate worship from prayer?
Catholics make a clear distinction between worship (latria) and veneration (dulia). Worship is due to God alone, while veneration is an honor given to saints and Mary, as the greatest of saints. Catholics pray to Mary not to worship her, but to ask for her intercession with her Son, Jesus. Catholics believe that prayer to Mary is a form of asking her to pray for them, just as one might ask a friend to pray for them. This is not worship, but a recognition of her special role as the Mother of the Church and the intercessor for all Christians.

9. These are genuine questions, and I hope it does not lead to a fight or anything.
Catholics would affirm that these are indeed valid and important questions, and they would encourage respectful dialogue. The goal is to provide a reasonable and respectful explanation of the faith, helping to clear up misunderstandings while fostering unity and charity.

b0rn2fuck:
hell no exist...mumu

Samunique:
With all these nonsense you wrote here, you're no better man than the pastor you quoted, in fact you're worse than him from all indications.