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TenQ:
Ask him to tell you which of the Kaaba that Abraham built from this list and the evidence

The Kaaba in Mecca
The Kaaba of Dhul-Khalasa
The Kaaba of Najran
The Kaaba of al-Lat in Ta'if
The Kaaba of Yathrib (Medina)
The Sanctuary of Manat

tctrills:
I would have tackled him on the Kaaba. Of course Abraham did not build a black stone but then I just wanted to show him his hypocrisy. The very thing you accuse Christians of, you are even more guilty of.

TenQ:
You invited me to this chat:
What is your problem with his claims?

Except you don't know but you just needed to say something to make yourself feel good!

TenQ:
He should explain how Abraham took his livestock through the desert just to build the Kaaba.

Muslims cannot survive without LIES!

Lukuluku69:
And where did you read that Abraham took his livestock through the desert to build anything? Where? Always coming up with empty useless points to sound knowledgeable but deep down na empty somebody.

Your Bible ONLY Says Abraham took His son and Wife Hagar to Paran. No mention of livestock but you must add that to sound knowledgeable. No be so?

Now, dispute whether Abraham ever want to Paran with Ishmael and Hagar.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

I invited you for you to come see your twin brother ni

As for his claims, they are the type of nonsense you people feed Your ignorant selves with.

TenQ:
He should explain how Abraham took his livestock through the desert just to build the Kaaba.

Muslims cannot survive without LIES!

TenQ:
So,
1. Can you explain how Abraham moved from Ur his fathers place to Mecca
2. Can you shown us how Abraham went to the wilderness of Paran?
3. Who was the first prophet sent to Mecca, was it Mohammed, Ibrahim or Ishmael?

Let me help you with a map and a verse

Quran 32:3
"Or do they say, 'He has fabricated it'? Rather, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you, that they may be guided."

TenQ:
So,
1. Can you explain how Abraham moved from Ur his fathers place to Mecca
2. Can you shown us how Abraham went to the wilderness of Paran?
3. Who was the first prophet sent to Mecca, was it Mohammed, Ibrahim or Ishmael?

Let me help you with a map and a verse

Quran 32:3
"Or do they say, 'He has fabricated it'? Rather, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you, that they may be guided."

TenQ:
You made a statement that you are afraid to back up due to fear or just plain ignorance . What is difficult in itemising what you find objectionable in his writeup?
Since you have nothing valuable to say, please enjoy your blindness.

Lukuluku69:
I can see your Reverse Psychology!

A Blind fellow accusing some else of blindness.

Lol

TenQ:
Just state your objections: QED!

If you aren't fearful, what is holding you back?
You made an objection: state your reasons!

Simple

Lukuluku69:
As for the Quranic verse you posted,

1. Abraham Only dropped his son and wife in the wilderness of Paran then an uninhabitable tract of Land but on a Major route that Traders pass enroute the Shams from Egypt.

Lukuluku69:
2. Ishmael of course lived and worshipped his father God. We are told he was a Righteous man.

Lukuluku69:
3. Prophets are not sent to Mecca Dumbo. They are sent to inhabitants or a people.

tctrills:
he calls himself antichristian but he is not interested in discussing the so many faults in his own religion

AntiChristian:
Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi

Christmas is demonic - Pastor Olukoya

So why are Christians still celebrating it?

TenQ:
Don't mind him. Like satan after creating troubles above him, he flees

TenQ:
1. Can you show me where Paran was mentioned in the Qur'an: as you just made an unsubstantiated claim!
2. What evidence can you provide to show that Abraham dropped his son and hagar in the wilderness of Paran?
3. What is your evidence that when Abraham built the Kaaba, he built it in an uninhabited place?


I didn't ask you if Ismael worshipped idols.
The first two questions were
1. Can you explain how Abraham moved from Ur his fathers place to Mecca
2. Can you shown us how Abraham went to the wilderness of Paran?



The place is no more an uninhabited place BUT to a people!? Your prophet seems to disagree with you. Is he telling lies or you are the one fabricating statements

Sahih Muslim 1360 a
'Abdullah b. Zaid b. 'Asim (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Verily Ibrahim declared Mecca sacred and supplicated (for blessings to be showered) upon its inhabitants, and I declare Medina to be sacred as lbrahim had declared Mecca to be sacred. I have supplicated (Allah for His blessings to be showered) in its sa' and its mudd (two standards of weight and measurement) twice as did Ibrahim for the inhabitants of Mecca.

Lukuluku69:
Dross!!!

Your Jehovah clearly says Ishmael is Abraham son in many places in your Bible, so, all these dross about Bola, Tolu and Delete should be reserved for your Church Members and not people of reasoning.

You agreed that your Jehovah spoke to others yet you insisted that Jehovah spoke only to Israel.

I gave you instances with names from your Bible yet you keep typing those empty meaningless dross and you want me to keep engaging you?

Lol

AntiChristian:
You sabi tell lies! This is in one of the banners! Na only Jesus own you see!

Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!. Qur'an 5:32.


Demon of bloodshed below:

Na this spirit of blood shed they worry you and your people!
Samson kills 30 with the spirit of the Lord Boko haram spirit!
"Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power, and he went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men..."Judges 14:19:

Spirit of the Lord made Samson kill 1000!
Judges 15:14-15: "When he came to Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him, and the ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men."

Samson go carry Olosho later!
Judges 16:1: "One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her."

Lukuluku69:
You never get sense you this boy!?

1. Can you also explain how Abraham went to Egypt with Sarah where Dem dash Hagar to Sarah?

2. Can you also show me how he got to Cannan from Ur in Chaldean?

3. While at it, also show me with Maps how your Apostle Paul got to Arabia

Lol

It is the year 2025 since your puny man-god was allegedly strung up yet Sense is so far from you?

So, tell me how did Abraham move his Livestock to Egypt abi he used a Cargo Chariot back then?

Ode jati jati like you

Baldwretch:


You said "your bible" as if it is not our bible. It's your bible, too. If it weren't for the bible, we wouldn't have known that Ishmael was given birth to when Abraham was 86 years old. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't have known that an Angel of the Lord appeared to Hagar because of Ishmael's sufferings and made provisions for her. And made promises to her. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't have known that Ishmael, like Isaac, was promised nationhood too. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't have known that Ishmael was one of the attendees of his father, Abraham's funeral, and actually covered him. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't have known that Ishmael had twelve sons who became the founders of twelve tribes named after them. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't have known how long Ishmael lived or where he lived. If it weren't for the bible we wouldn't even have known where these tribes lived. I could go on and on and on.

It is the bible, not the Quran, that dignified Ishmael -for if it didn't bring up all these information, Ishmael's descendants would never have had a voice or claim any rivalry because the record is with us, not with you. They do not even have a record of their genealogy or where they lived. They are not any different from the different tribes dispersed across Africa. What an irony! A sad, sad one at that.

I am so happy, though, that you didn't offer any rebuttals. It only shows that my logic is in line with good judgment. Haha. E go too pain me, though, if you rebuffed me logically, but let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense that the events in question was corrupted or the records was tainted to favour Isaac. For all I can see now, that is the only branch I see you sitting on. And why you would think this way is what I don't understand. The author could have simply said God instructed Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac without adding any modifiers. Muhammad fell for a blind trap that disproved in no uncertain terms his prophet-hood. Bastar*! B*stard!

Instead of logically agreeing with what has been revealed many years before you were born before furthering your own narratives as wise people would often do, you contradict what has been revealed and then claim to be a confirmation of what has been sent before you. What an extremely illogical human. Probably demon-possessed. Even Jewish prophets who frequently spoke against drunkenness never out-rightly condemned alcohol because that would make their revelation contradictory to what has already been revealed before now.

Now, there is something I want you to think about carefully and it is this: God never leads people astray before he leads them aright. He first leads people aright, show them the path they should follow first off before he leads them astray. Yes, God does both, but the order is extremely important because he is absolutely holy. Blaming the writer, the scribes, or the people for the corruption does not exonerate God or make him innocent, for if he knew how gullible mankind can be and how difficult it would be for them to unlearn and relearn and if he knew how extremely difficult men find it to leave a destructive path once they have learnt or followed such a path especially in their thousands, then why allow this in the first place? And why blame those who do not leave knowing full well their inclinations? I am not even siding with Christianity here. What I am saying is that Judaism is the purest religion we have ever had. Any religion that aligns with or tows its path is the closest to true religion.

The whole significance of the event is not an Ishmael or Isaac thing, but a test. Just want you to absolutely know that the burnt offering is Isaac, Muhammad is literate and knows what he is doing.

That said, I don't hate you or despise muslims, so you should not have to avoid me like you said. It is your prophet, not muslims, that I despise because he is a liar and the father of lies.

That being said, If Ile-ya meat, whether the big or the small Sallah, if meat dey available, just holla me abeg, I dey gallant. I wan chop meat. Don't forget your servant.

TenQ:
I asked you simple question and I even gave you a map to see the Journey of Abraham from Ur down to Egypt and Cannan.

If you need references,
#Start from Ur Genesis 11:31–32:
#To Haran Genesis 11:31–32, 12:1–4:
#To Cannan ( Shechem, Bethel and Negiv) Genesis 12:4–9
#To Egypt Genesis 12:10–20
#Return to Cannan (Hebron, Mamre and Dan ) Genesis 13:1–18, Genesis 14:1–16:


NOW, you answer my Questions
From your Qur'an
1. Can you explain how Abraham moved from Ur his fathers place to Mecca
2. Can you shown us how Abraham went to the wilderness of Paran?
[s]3. Who was the first prophet sent to Mecca, was it Mohammed, Ibrahim or Ishmael?
[/s]
I have helped you with a map

Quran 32:3
"Or do they say, 'He has fabricated it'? Rather, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you, that they may be guided."

Lukuluku69:
See meaningless drivel!

Abraham took a Cargo Chariot to Paran while herding his kine and goats in the baggage hold. And on his return journey, he took a ship via the Arabian sea thru the Persian gulf back to Cannan because Sarah and his servants were eagerly awaiting his return.

Lukuluku69:
Abraham used a Cargo Chariot to get to Paran with his Livestock hanging out.

TenQ:
Are you throwing tantrums just because I showed that you are more knowledgeable than your prophet?

You called for this as I was on my lane and minding my own business this morning.

Did you see how shamelessly you cook up Falsehood?

TenQ:
Run!

Islam is a SCAM!
Everything is a fabrication and unsubstantiated claims. Are you not ashamed of yourself?

Simple questions, you can't answer except to fabricate falsehood and insist on it as if it is the truth.

Have a nice day!

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Keep living your delusions you this Delusional Dolt.

Now, log out and log in with your other accounts.

Shameless worshipper of a puny man-god

TenQ:
Lukuluku69 and Antichristian

A picture is worth many words

BlackfireX:
Still better than Muhammad that,is a pedophile and a necromancer who stole a woman's pant .

The poison really did him shege, even the imaginary jubril prayer didn't save him from the Jewish woman who exposed him as fake and empty.

AntiChristian:
Yahweh got 32 girls from the genocide in Numbers 31:40. These girls has infants, babies and minors all totalling 32,000 shared for the warriors!

Talking about magicians and sorcerers visiting Jesus at birth! It only takes a devil to acknowledge one another!

And finally the father of your God sentenced him to be hanged to death and Jesus claimed God forsook him. God no dey forsake his own people o!

tctrills:
Don't you see the irony here. You claim that Abraham built the Kaaba and idolaters hajacked it from him but you can't give God the same courtesy. God created all days including December 25. The idolaters hajacked it. Judge Christianity with the same measure you judge yours. Stop applying different standards. That's so hypocritical.
There are many things you can criticize the modern christian for but for celebrating the birth of the Savior of the world is just looking for faults. Muslims celebrate Abraham's actions yet they say Christians don't have a right to celebrate he who is greater than Abraham. And they tell us that the day belongs to the Sun god. My dear friend, the sun god has no day, that's even supposing that a Sun god really exists. Because we know who created the sun and who has power over the sun. All days belong to the Almighty. So really, what is your point?

AntiChristian:
There's no irony anywhere! No God mandated celebrating any day to you! No Prophet picked any particular day to celebrate for you in your Bible. Our celebrations in Islam are what our Prophet celebrated in his lifetime.

Almost everything about Christianity is from Pagan traditions from Rome! Jesus and none of the disciples deem it fit to celebrate Christmas. Jesus spent 33 years and he didn't celebrate it. Even Paul and all others! Then some Romans shifted the celebration to coincide with when they worship their gods!

And you guys will create evidence for the idolatry!

No wonder those pastors call it demonic, idolatrous and unscriptural!