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Geekhard:
You left the message and began attacking the messenger. Can you in all honesty and truthfulness commend Tinubu for doing a great job since he took over. You are a pathetic coming here to fill everywhere with words because you feel you can write. Meanwhile all you wrote here should into one place: the trash bin.

Tinubu should rank as the worst President to have ever ruled Nigeria. Tinubu should thank Peter Obi for giving him ideas which Tinubu obviously has not been able to come up. I understand you have to earn the pittance you pathetic e-rats get paid to attack anyone who calls out Tinubu for his misrule. You are too blind to see that in a prosperous setting you would not need the 30k e-rat job. I do pity the poor folks like you who defends the source of their poverty.

iamwebguru:
Omo eran, Omo Agutan - Goat Kid, Lamb
How much do you have in your bank account?

Love800:
You are out of point!

ruffhandu:
I hope you have good intentions for Nigeria and not just out to malign the person of Obi for politics.
Most of Obi's suggestions, to me, seem progressive. This is in the light of the fact that we all assume that the president is only working with the data submitted to him by his foot soldiers. I am sure you saw how the former gover of Plateau, who became Buhari's minister, told us how Buhari was truly not aware of many happenings around him, including the Efcc/Dss fiasco right in front of the president's office. The president visiting some of these institutions once in a while unannounced gives him first hand info.

The person you mentioned was never a governor. He was one of the ministers dropped. Perhaps you may need to investigate his antecedents before giving weight to anything he says. Every Commander-in-Chief is well aware of what goes on in every part of the country. There is police formation in every LGA, along with institutions that will pass information higher up. He receives daily security briefings, which is why NSA is almost always with him. So it is an uninformed and inexperienced person who'd ask a president to visit every nook and cranny to keep himself abreast of the suffering of the people. It is also not proper to assume people give him false information. This is what a beer-parlour talk would look like. There is one president, one vice president, 36 state governors, more than 42 ministers,109 senators, 350 members of the house of representatives, more than 6,500 councilors. Yet one man is asking a president to visit states and decent human beings see sense in it. What are the other people doing? The president can do that if he is jobless and has no confidence in the other elected and appointed officials. Anyone who leads like that is a nano manager. A nano manager is a poor manager. Because the president wants governance to be closer to the people, he got his AG to fight for LGA autonomy. Who are those opposed to it?

For the coastal highway, every well meaning Nigerian kicked against it. That was not important at the time. We know it was a money drain and a means of compensating his friend. Many Nigerians advised he should have made existing highways motorable first, such roads as lago-benin, enugu-ph, etc.

Your generalization is not correct. Peter Obi and Atiku condemned it. Niger Delta leaders supported the project. Yoruba leaders supported it. I supported it. Those who mostly opposed it were opposed to it for political reasons and claims that certain business interests were affected. Are you aware that the USA spent their way out of recession during the great depression? There is no such thing as too much infrastructure.

Attacking the person Obi doesn't seem to be neccessary here. Obi's records are in the open, and everything he advised he, he did while a governor. He visited schools and medical facilities impromptu and interviews students and staff personally. Thereafter, he made promises, approved projects for them, and followed up to ensure there no embezzlement. He gave his personal phone numbers to senior prefect, medical staff and students, to put management in check.

But it is okay for Peter Obi to throw shades at the president? I criticized his submissions and questioned why he could not do what he advised. I do not know how that works out to insulting him. What Peter Obi was doing as governor was what an LGA chairman would have done or the governor of a small state. He can advice a governor to do so, not a president.

I know politics and tribalism and hate has divided this country, but let's always remember that posterity will judge us for not fixing what we can. Our children always know if we did well or not during our time.

Until the lion learns to tell the story, the tale of the hunt will glorify the hunter. We saw how the spokespersons of a certain candidate promoted religious intolerance and made provocative statements because their opponent decided to choose a same-faith running mate. Instead of telling us their plans, they focused on incendiary statements. My motivation is to put things on record for posterity because there have been too much lies, propaganda, hate and divisive tendencies. If we don't correct these things, the blowback on us would be disastrous. False information led to the recent riots in the UK. We must fight it.

I responded not to attack you as a person but to challenge your arguments. So, I would not like yiu to use vile words if you wish to respond. I like submitting to superior arguments. Peace.
Thank you for your decency in marshslling your arguments. However, you may be mistaking me for someone else here. I do not go out to attack anyone but I only return insults when people leave the substance of the conversation and launch derogatory remarks due to their limited comprehension skills. I have been wished death on this forum, I have been accused of being paid to promote government. I only challenge them to provide proof. But there is one thing I'd never do; I shall never take positions to please anyone. I criticize government too. When I do, I.am accused of lamenting. People make assumptions and run with them. There is no wisdom there.

emkz:
Interesting.

Peter Obi's intervention is timely, welcome and needed.

However, most of his arguments seem pedestrian and ill-thought out.

It is not in his place to manage the president. So the suggestion that the president should spend his holidays in different parts of the country or use the National Hospital or visit tertiary institutions or travel through highways do not make sense.

It is curious that this same man opposed the Lagos-Calabar Coastal Highway. Suddenly, he wants the president to travel on highways. As for the president visiting educational facilities or each state, each state has a governor, three senators, at least a minister, and several houses of representatives members. It is not in the place of the president to be everywhere. His ministers are responsible for certain beats.

Asking the president to go to the frontlines shows Peter Obi's backwardness. What happened to Idris Derby Itno? Since Peter Obi is not exactly employed at this time and has been gallivanting, he can set an example and go to the frontlines to motivate our troops.

It is curious that the only comparison Peter Obi could draw was when he took Obasanjo on a road trip that triggered Obasanjo to order the repair of parts of a federal highway. Why couldn't Peter Obi draw parallels to his innovative ideas in rapid infrastructural development, healthcare, education and industrialization? Of ourselves, he couldn't because he was sorely lacking in developmental ideas; hence his pedestrian suggestions.

Dear Peter Onwuabasi Obi (POO), the things you suggest are not propositions on running a country. Enjoy your gallivanting and aimless twitter threads and allow those who have the mandate to lead.

You are not ready to lead Nigeria.

Lithiumite:
When tinubu removed subsidy all of you also staged protest all over Nigeria but he never listened to you and heaven hasn't fallen....why didn't GEJ do same.....how is that tinubu's fault that he is weak and ineffectual?

Lithiumite:
Masses never have the mental capacity to understand how economies work ....they are only concerned about rice and beans....if that's your forte,I am sorry there isn't any point having an intellectual discourse with you

NaijaSumigan:
If intellectual discourse is about ignoring Truths and masquerading lies, I think it's best you run along as fast as possible.

IfnobeGod20:
Am I missing up something or reading different thing? Please go back and read how you started your comment. You said, "Peter Obi's intervention is timely, welcome and needed".
But still went saying, "however, most of his arguments seem pedestrian and ill-thought out".

You now see how incoherent you are. You praised in one breadth and debased in another length.

Next time let your thought process be processed very well before you pour them as comment.

Mr. Man, we are in Nigeria where people prefer to praise sing their leaders than to tell their leaders the real issue on ground. If you're a leader and you're not careful, your subordinate would tell you you have build castle in the air and everybody are now flying in the air and rarely can you see traffic jam anywhere in the country but alas, when you go out to get the first hand info by yourself, all you will see is to the contrary.
Mr. Man, giving Mr. President an advise to visit the state, ride on the roads and plan unscheduled visit to hospitals gives him the opportunity to see for himself the situations things and not rely on hearsay or false info that might given to him by his ministers or advisers.

Mr. Man, what is Mr. President doing that he cannot spare three months out of the 12 months in a years to go around the country to see for himself the progress report of what his ministers and those he employed to do for the country are saying they have done? I don't think is too much for a president to do for a while year.

I don't think the good people of Nigeria voted Mr. President to seat down in Aso like robot signing only papers and receiving visitors and at the end of the month get his fat salary and allowances. Part of his job description is to oversee the welfare of the people of Nigeria, meaning he must be on top of his job.

Every of the advises given are needed especially at this critical state of our national life that citizens are grappling for life and survival. There is no alternative to follow up on an assignment.

Mr. Man, I don't think Peter Obi said Mr. President should go to the warfront but he suggested that he should go to their camp to motivate them. It is the responsibility of the GCFR to do that as to motivate them and to also encourage them at least once in a while. We saw Jonathan doing that during his term. We saw Buhari doing that during his term. It's not out of place for the GCFR to motivate his troops. The example you cited died because he joined in the warfront to fight. Peter Obi wasn't advising Mr. President to go and fight at the warfront please. You twisted his narrative.

Meanwhile, Peter Obi and all well meaning Nigerians condemned the award of the Coastal Highway because of the dilapidated and eyesore of our existing roads and highways. No responsible leaders that doesn't prioritise businesses. You leave roads in dilapidated state to be building new roads and not a road that will be completed in 10 to 15 years. You know what it means, you're subjecting the people to dead traps and untold hardship. I don't think it is too much to ask Mr. President to prioritise businesses. If we know the number of lives that have been lost on those dilapidated roads, no serious leader will not take those roads to cognizant.

Mr. Man, below your belly, you know the advises given are genuine but since you're use to attack your imaginary enemy, you find it difficult to just walk away without attacking Obi for nothing. This is why you contradicted yourself in your comment.

emkz:
Research what is called "compliment sandwich technique". It would broaden your horizon.

Lithiumite:
I am pretty sure you haven't held any public office and also have limited knowledge of public admin.....the masses are known to be averse to what's best for them.

IfnobeGod20:
Are you saying what is best for the masses is to be subjected to poverty, starvation and untold hardship by lowering their purchasing power and render them incapacitated to meet their daily needs?
No reasonable citizens that would not be averse to anything that will take away his daily bread.
In this scenario it would have been better to deal with those cabal ripping the nation's treasury through subsidy than dipping the citizens into poverty on the premise that the cabal are the one benefitting from the subsidy and not the masses.
You people have refused to take into account the number of people that have been dipped into poverty because of this antipeople policy.

E mu ra si.

IfnobeGod20:
When I see sandwiching I know one and it's not done the way you claimed it.
Next time you start with compliment and end with compliment, then you would fulfilled sandwiching but in this you played to the gallery and confuse yourself.

kuntash:
are you condemning the person that made the suggestions for the sake of it or ALL the suggestions doesnt make sense to you? if the latter is the case, pls can make your suggestions then counter each of Peter Obi's ..?

Krankhead:
Which useless advise. He lives in Lagos. Why can't he lives in his village or Anambra before he can now be telling the president to spend his Xmas in other parts of the country. Practice what you preach

Lithiumite:
I am pretty sure you haven't held any public office and also have limited knowledge of public admin.....the masses are known to be averse to what's best for them.

Lithiumite:
You are just being unduly sensational...... Should you keep getting cheap subsidised petrol while the country bleeds.....even the almighty USA hasn't been able to totally eradicate narcotics smuggling with all their technological sophistry.

Public admin isn't has pedestrian or easily comprehensible to the layman.......you need to get your economy first on a strong footing then your citizens can then begin to reap the rewards.....we are over 4 decades behind in our economic development and if we seek to grow something has to give,china didn't get where they are today eating rice and beans and driving benzs.....they had to sacrifice.

emkz:
You never knew until I asked you to research it. Do not gaslight me here as you do not possess the intelligence for such. If you had read to understand, you'd have realized the closing compliment is optional. You made assertions from ignorance which shows you and I are not on the same wavelength. You are someone who attends a comedy show, hears a joke on a Saturday night and only understanding it six months after and laughing recklessly.

IfnobeGod20:
All over the world, countries subsidise one thing or the other for the citizens. It's never a new thing for a country to subsidise product for her citizens, especially if that product is an essential community for the citizens and its price can impact of the citizens very well. You may not have read your own economy to that extent and that is why you're supporting antipeople policy that have made more poorer people than bargained for.

Do you know how much it would cost to bring that huge number of people out of the poverty line again. A reasonable leaders would have frontally confront the cabal milking the nation than transferring their inadequacy to the citizens and also quickly revamp and build new refineries to incapacitate the cabal because that would have literally removed the subsidy the government is talking about that takes away huge government revenue.

This is what someone like us has been saying for long. Build and revamp these refineries and the subsidy will fizzle out automatically. It that not what we are experiencing now, that the price of PMS is slicing with the coming onboard Dangote refinery and the revamping of Port Harcourt and Warri refineries. Simple economy sense, now become so difficult for leaders and some supporters of government because of politics.

The big question now, how to lift those that have been dipped into poverty out. Lifting them out is now a huge task because inflation still creeping the system with prices of goods and services still much high.

You guys should try and be applying brake, it's not everything you hail government for. There are some issues that required common sense which the government of the day may not know but hailing them make them not to know the more but correcting them make them to know. It's not out of place to lead any leader for the good of the country but blindly following them brings a disastrous end.

Lithiumite:
Your electricity is being subsidised and still a major reason why you haven't been able to get real investments in that sector.....a lot of subsidy goes into agriculture though of very little effect due to the corruption in that space but that is currently being addressed as a lot of focus is now directed in that regard.

Isn't it curious that why is it when subsidy was removed we got 3 refineries up in less than 24 months when we had been at it for over 2 decades..... doesn't that tell you something......for those who are familiar with the industry,the cry had always been that the subsidy regime was degenerative to the industry,govt and the people on the long run but the layman on the streets wouldn't see this all he wants is cheap petrol.

Subsidy removal isn't the singular cause of the inflation we are experiencing but the devaluation of our currency which was also being subsidised to keep it at the artificial low rate it was.....also we aren't producing enough for our immediate needs how did you expect the economy to grow.....it's easier for laymen and the poor to keep screaming blue murder than fir them to have the foresight to see that the economy was headed the wrong way and it takes a president with balls to try to redeem the situation with hard hitting reforms.

The Nigerian economy was living on borrowed tine and the earlier you stop the haemorrhaging the better that was what GEJ and madam iweala were shouting about over a decade ago that we couldn't continue with subsidy.

IfnobeGod20:
Mr. Man, it is curious to you because you think revamping of refineries can be done with 2 years. Mr. Man, it was Buhari since his first term that have been pumping money into revamping the refineries and not Tinubu. Buhari spent not less than $25b into those moribund refineries as declared by the outgoing 9th senate. Or you may want us to know how much Tinubu has invested into revamping those refineries. It was solely the handiwork of Buhari but no doubt since governance is continuum he takes the glory because he can claim it was APC legacy.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2023/06/09/sule-buhari-spent-over-19bn-on-fixing-refineries-in-eight-years-without-results/&ved=2ahUKEwi4neflv-CKAxXRVUEAHUg3LcAQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0i8a99vHEpb9SfbYWCs7UI
This was what outsider said on the amount Buhari pumped into revamping the refineries, you can get that in the link above ($19b) while the senate said it was $25b.
Now, can we know how much Tinubu invested to bring the refineries to function.

My brother, nothing is subsidise in this country as at today. Everything that was once subsidised as been removed from this wicked government. Even the waiver they claimed they will give on some foreign goods had not been implemented till date and that is why you see virtually everything is skyrocketed. You heard when one of the die hard supporter of Tinubu, Joe Igbokwe lamenting of the hike in the electricity tariff few months ago.
Please which of the agriculture? I am a farmer. The chemical that was buying before for ₦2,500, last year I bought it ₦6,000. The only product that doesn't increase is force up. It stood at ₦3,500 for two year now. The rest have gone either doubled or tripled. Fertiliser cannot come by again. A 5kg fertiliser is almost ₦15,000. Cosy of heaping the same. Please say what you know and stop this hyping that has put us in a sorry state.

You see how you ended up implicating Tinubu. As GEJ and Iweala was shouting of the subsidy to be removed, was it not Tinubu and his gang that frustrated the move in 2012, which was even easier then because of the oil boom. Now the economy has been bastardized that he removed it, not taking to cognizance the economy impact of the crawling citizens.

Meanwhile, nothing any of you, even the leaders can tell me on the issue of subsidy that I will take because they left what they suppose to do and chasing shadows. Those inflating the subsidy amount and surchanging the destinies of the people are those they suppose to face frontally and also revamp the refineries but they left them and punishing the downtrodden.

Again, the bureaucracy has not yet stopped till date, Tinubu still continue in spending riotously and frivolously with no consideration of the economy situation. Cost of governance is still at a very high side, even higher in his government. Then, you ask what is the difference between his government and the former. Nothing but even worse.

Lithiumite:
If there was still subsidy,those refineries still wouldn't work.....if it was easy to face the subsidy fraudsters,trust me any govt would have,only if it was that easy......the same subsidy thieves are the ones bankrolling all this campaign of calumny against tinubu trying to get him to return the subsidy.....talking about corruption fighting back.....if you haven't held public office before you wouldn't know how terrible corruption has eating deep into the fabric if this country.....it's easy to say arrest the subsidy thieves,how many do you want to arrest and how many do you want to prosecute.....the best thing to do was to pull the plug on the monster itself to kill it rather than fight it......America with all her advancement hasn't been able to stop narcotics smuggling or illegal migration even terrorism.....that's to show you how hard it is to fight some vices.

You acclaim you are a farmer,I wouldn't want to dispute that but I will tell you a million times over,there is subsidy from the govt going into agriculture but I would agree it's of little effect due to corruption.....inputs are being massively subsidised but it's same people who would go buy from the govt at cheap rates and resell to you at higher rates,it's public knowledge,it's as clear as day.........this is primarily because that sector is unorganised and there isn't adequate data on the farmers themselves and what they are doing.....the corruption goes as deep as the heads of the farmers associations themselves.

Your electricity is being subsidised....if it wasn't you would be paying far more than you are paying right now,go to Cotonou just next door to us and go see how much they pay for their electricity,you would know you are enjoying here.....it's easier to condemn but govt is doing a lot but it's corruption that's our bane in this country.

Nigeria's problems did not start with tinubu,we are over 4 decades behind in our economic development and how's that tinubu's fault.....anyone who comes to you to tell you there are easy fixes to our economic problems is telling you lies.....same thing tinubu is facing now was what GEJ was afraid of that the people won't give him a second term if he removed subsidy,sacrificing national interest for his personal interest,hows that tinubu's fault......that's why we voted tinubu because we knew he was the man with the balls to drive those hard reforms whether anyone likes it or not.....even obi and atiku all campaigned subsidy had to go.....so why hating Tinubu for doing same.

IfnobeGod20:
You're just trying hard to justify leadership inadequacy and this won't help Nigeria to grow. As at the time Buhari pumped over $25b into revamping the refineries were there no subsidy payment. Stop all these justification my brother. At least there was still subsidy payment till Buhari left in May, 2023.
Let's even come to reality here, please who told you that Tinubu's government not still paying subsidy till we are speaking here. Many people have come out to challenge them that they are paying subsidy stylishly and they have not for once denied that.
Do you also know that the amount they have expended to cushion the effects of the subsidy removal has over weighed the amount spent on subsidy since 2023. Trillions have gone for palliative without result in sight. Till date they are still sharing palliative because of the attendant repercussion of subsidy removal that have pushed many into poverty line and toll tomorrow they will still share palliative, except this issue of inflation is overcome quickly.

Meanwhile, are you saying those cabal are more powerful than the government or what are you insinuating? This is serious if you think non state actors can be so powerful than constituted authority. Mr. Man, nobody is power than the government, except the government doesn't have their time or feign nonchalant about them. This is the reason I said they transfer their inadequacy to the citizens while the citizens now facing the brute.

The way you're comparing the issue of immigrants to corrupt individuals is giving me concern. Come to think of it, US and UK have not relented in cracking down immigrants to their country, then, you now ask what has Nigeria government done on those cabal till date? They instead pat them at the backs to do more.
Again, at least we have heard Trump resolved to deport all illegal immigrants and he vowed that nothing can change it. You then ask, what can't Tinubu be bold to fight those cabal with his authority than this antipeople policy in favour of the few that may not be more than 200 people but subjecting over 200m to ache and making over 130m to drop below poverty line. Does that make sense to any reasonable human being?

I won't dispute that government may be subsidising some agriculture products that may not get to the end users but you ask, how many of these products are they subsidising? 1. Can they subsidise labourers working in the farm that have inflated their labour price?
2. Are there tractors that are readily available that have been subsidised for farmers?
3. Are the fertiliser readily available at government outlets and at how much?
4. How many agrochemicals do government subsidised for farmers?
5. Which farm implements do government made available at subsidised rate?
6. Which finishing equipment do government made available?
Are these are critical issues that I have not seen in my domain as a farmer. Farmers around me are all doing everything by themselves without government input anywhere.

Yes, there are no easy fix to the economy but you don't punish the masses because not the few raping the common patrimony. It makes no sense and this is where Tinubu and all that says they will remove subsidy missed it.

To the issue that all of them says they would remove subsidy. Yes, everybody can say they would go to Sokoto but do you know one can decide to use road transport, another can decide to board plane while another can decide to make use of water transportation and funnily another one can decide to still make use of road but have stop over on the road because of the distance and continue the next day or hours. Everyone has approaches to do things my brother. You can claim because all of them say they will remove subsidy and claim they will all do it the same. There's what is called policy somersault. A policy can somersault and as an administrator, you must be ready for that and adjust your policy. Tinubu didn't consider that but only adamant because IMF told him to remove subsidy to get their loan. Today he has gotten their loans but has the removal of subsidy help the nation positively or increase the purchasing power of the people? IMF itself had even said the subsidy removal wasn't working for the country or you didn't read that last year?

Besides, are you aware that Tinubu was part of those that didn't allow the subsidy to be removed in 2012? If GEJ had been adamant that time, you know the attendant deaths the country would have recorded as the protest was spreading like wild fire then. As he allowed people to exercise their fundamental right but in Tinubu's own people were intimidated and beaten not to protest and police even blocked protesters in a democratic setting. What a shame. This just tells you that Tinubu's ambition supersedes national interest. Meaning he was fighting to undermined Jonathan's government and not because the love he has for the people. If he was doing it for the love of the citizens, he will not turnaround to eat his own vomit.

TemmyT002:
Somebody is giving advice that will benefit you and your family if the person being advised follows it but you have time for side talk.
Continue.

Lithiumite:
You are only angry cos it's tinubu......subsidy still being paid to whom by whom.....don't rely on infantile unsubstantiated beer parlour rumours.....you would believe anything no matter how ridiculous as long as it puts tinubu in bad light.

What has your state gov done in alleviating the suffering of your people,how many CNG buses has he provided to ease the cost of transportation,how many schools has your gov equipped to standard or built to provide cheap education for children,how many hospitals,how much as your gov invested in agric......but everything is tinubu despite huge allocations going to your govs.

Agric is directly under the purview of your state gov.....FG has no lands belong to the state.....what's stops you gov from buying 10 tractors for each LG to boost agriculture,how many irrigation projects.....the FG is doing a lot to support agric but you see those state civil servants they are the real devil just as the FG is giving people palliatives to share to the masses but they would hoard it and go and keep in private warehouses....that's why most of all these things don't get to the farmers directly.....but everything is tinubu.

What would obi have done differently.. if you want subsidy to remain,you have to keep borrowing.....your analogy of fighting corruption is at best pedestrian and impractical,if everyone were to go in for corruption you would be shocked even your own relatives and friends would be involved.....why fight everyone when you could just kill the subsidy monster itself.,that is a very wise way to go about it......do you know how many people collected monies from GEJs anchor borrowers or buhari's agric funds without returning a dime and didn't even use it for what it was intended I guess you would say tinubu should go after all those ones too and jail them.....how many people do you think would be involved.

emkz:
Enough to pay you for the next 5 years without sweat.

Kidnapper wants to know my financial standing.

emkz:
Please read what you wrote again and advise yourself with it. You need your advise in your life more than anyone else.