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So this damina guy eventually run mad.

So Adam didn't commit any sins. No original sins. Why did Jesus die for? Is Christianity a scam?

press9jatv:
it’s a sin please. Read the scriptures to understand

Pls give us some biblical quotes about alcohol been a sin and maybe cigarettes too. Thanks pastor. We r waiting. God bless you.

Ojuntana:
Fornication? How? Adam and Eve were husband and wife!! Have you ever read your bible? How can a couple fornicate?

Wasn't time to make babies yet but they disobeyed. That was the apple message

oroje1:
You don't know me, so I'll pardon your ignorance and wrong choice of words,,,you may know much about translations as u said,in my humility I'll say I know quite a little and I'm still learning.of the many translations I've checked,I think the new world translation 2013 edition pgs 1718 -1721 tell much about the principles of Bible translation.if u can lay ur hands on it,I think you'll like it,,For our day God has given us the bible as a guide,so find a translation that hits the mark.the bible is God's voice to us,what people think about it may not matter much if it's all about finding fault in it's pages.so honest hearted individuals the message is crystal clear.

I don't need to know you, your words define you. Like I said, a cup filled with mud can never be filled with water. It takes a second to understand what that means. I am not here to change your view on life, it's pointless. You do you. You came to my comment thinking you knew better, but you didn't. I am not your average gullible individual working the street. You already told me you fear individuals who like to think and learn.

occfx:
Wasn't time to make babies yet but they disobeyed. That was the apple message

Where's that in the bible?

Ojuntana:
Where's that in the bible?

Old testament is understood by inspiration. Its 80% stories and history... Written by some inspired leaders. Unfortunately, non of our elders were smart enough to document our history. Old testament is pure Jewish history. If you know the things inspired by God himself, read the book of Hebrew. Anything you didn't see in the book of Hebrew was not inspired by God and possibly did not happen.

You're not gullible,good,neither am i.your posing to be an encyclopedia of knowledge can't intimidate me, we're talking about God here and not about our insignificant selves,so shelve your "I too know" attitude,,,with a honest heart seek to find God(from the Bible),,,like as seen in the Bible God deals with and reveals his message to humble and lowly ones and not proud persons who think they know more than him.

agentarcher:
I don't need to know you, your words define you. Like I said, a cup filled with mud can never be filled with water. It takes a second to understand what that means. I am not here to change your view on life, it's pointless. You do you. You came to my comment thinking you knew better, but you didn't. I am not your average gullible individual working the street. You already told me you fear individuals who like to think and learn.

occfx:
Old testament is understood by inspiration. Its 80% stories and history... Written by some inspired leaders. Unfortunately, non of our elders were smart enough to document our history. Old testament is pure Jewish history. If you know the things inspired by God himself, read the book of Hebrew. Anything you didn't see in the book of Hebrew was not inspired by God and possibly did not happen.

I asked you where it is written in the Bible that it wasn't time to make babies but they disobeyed and you resorted to this disjointed epistle. Genesis 1:28 Be fruitful and multiple. Was that before or after the fall in your bible

Ojuntana:
I asked you where it is written in the Bible that it wasn't time to make babies but they disobeyed and you resorted to this disjointed epistle. Genesis 1:28 Be fruitful and multiple. Was that before or after the fall in your bible

I am saying I don't read old testament according the the wordings. If you read it that way, alot of things were not corresponding and I don't believe God is confused like that.

occfx:
I am saying I don't read old testament according the the wordings. If you read it that way, alot of things were not corresponding and I don't believe God is confused like that.

So how do you read it. Give me your exegesis of Genesis 1:28 in relation to your claim

Ojuntana:
So how do you read it. Give me your exegesis of Genesis 1:28 in relation to your claim

If I believe Genesis 1:28 according to how it's written, why shouldnt I believe other controversial chapters. Therefore, I constructed my mind to read it with wisdom and what I believe it says, it's what I believe in relation to Christ. The only reason why Adam failed was disobedience, therefore how it happened is what any one can construct including me

occfx:
If I believe Genesis 1:28 according to how it's written, why shouldnt I believe other controversial chapters. Therefore, I constructed my mind to read it with wisdom and what I believe it says, it's what I believe in relation to Christ. The only reason why Adam failed was disobedience, therefore how it happened is what any one can construct including me

You mean you can write your own bible as long as you get the underlying theme correct?

That sounds like fraud to me. It's like saying I can print my own naira as long as I use the existing denominations

Ojuntana:
You mean you can write your own bible as long as you get the underlying theme correct?

That sounds like fraud to me. It's like saying I can print my own naira as long as I use the existing denominations

I advise you don't believe everything thing you see in the Bible. You should only believe if it's related to Christ... Every other thing is history and stories you cannot verify.

occfx:
I advise you don't believe everything thing you see in the Bible. You should only believe if it's related to Christ... Every other thing is history and stories you cannot verify.

I reject your advice

Ojuntana:
I reject your advice

Evangelism is for everyone... I am doing my own evangelism as well but as a Christian, it's optional to believe or not. The Bible contains the word of God, the words of men and the words of the devil. If you reject the word of God, you are just like Adam. However, if you perish because of ignorance, no one will save you. Put your self in the Muslim world, how would you rescue yourself from the Jihadist Quran if you don't use your head?

occfx:
Evangelism is for everyone... I am doing my own evangelism as well but as a Christian, it's optional to believe or not. The Bible contains the word of God, the words of men and the words of the devil. If you reject the word of God, you are just like Adam. However, if you perish because of ignorance, no one will save you. Put your self in the Muslim world, how would you rescue yourself from the Jihadist Quran if you don't use your head?

The bible is an historical book
That you choose to add what is not there to it is a curse in itself according to the same bible.
The bible is clear that Eve ate the forbidden fruit and gave to Adam to eat as well
That you're adding your own version as facts without any evidence is a fraud on your part.
There are fake evangelists just as there are fake prophets like Muhammad was

oroje1:
You don't know me, so I'll pardon your ignorance and wrong choice of words,,,you may know much about translations as u said,in my humility I'll say I know quite a little and I'm still learning.of the many translations I've checked,I think the new world translation 2013 edition pgs 1718 -1721 tell much about the principles of Bible translation.if u can lay ur hands on it,I think you'll like it,,For our day God has given us the bible as a guide,so find a translation that hits the mark.the bible is God's voice to us,what people think about it may not matter much if it's all about finding fault in it's pages.so honest hearted individuals the message is crystal clear.

There is a little bit on translation near the end of this video, regarding some principles that are useful for translation when considering the ancient texts. Since the older Greek manuscripts are written in uncial script, sometimes the later translators parsed the words and sentences in ways that blurred the original meaning. It's always a good idea to go back to the original or as close as you can get to it.

Revelation chapter 1 verses 1 through 7 with commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArIyv8Cp38

Ojuntana:
The bible is an historical book
That you choose to add what is not there to it is a curse in itself according to the same bible.
The bible is clear that Eve ate the forbidden fruit and gave to Adam to eat as well
That you're adding your own version as facts without any evidence is a fraud on your part.
There are fake evangelists just as there are fake prophets like Muhammad was

Let me start from the tail, who will tell followers of Mohammed that he is fake?

Now who would say what Moses wrote is right or wrong?

If you start reasoning like this, you will start seeing the truth.

Jesus was there in spirit when Adam was created and he didn't validate any apple eating. That is the fact unless you don't believe Jesus. However, since he didn't say what was eating, means you need to use ur understanding.

However, whatever happened is irrelevant. The main thing is Adam did the wrong thing and the wrong thing could be whatever you construct in your head as sin. In my head, what I sense is premature sex. Moses said Apple, Damina said nothing was eaten, you can still say your own.

The message is clear, Adam sinned.

This is nice, but I find the book "Revelation It's Grand Climax At Hand" to be more comprehensive..so too pages 1718-1721 of the new world translation....

epfa:
There is a little bit on translation near the end of this video, regarding some principles that are useful for translation when considering the ancient texts. Since the older Greek manuscripts are written in uncial script, sometimes the later translators parsed the words and sentences in ways that blurred the original meaning. It's always a good idea to go back to the original or as close as you can get to it.

Revelation chapter 1 verses 1 through 7 with commentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ArIyv8Cp38

occfx:
Let me start from the tail, who will tell followers of Mohammed that he is fake?

Now who would say what Moses wrote is right or wrong?

If you start reasoning like this, you will start seeing the truth.

Jesus was there in spirit when Adam was created and he didn't validate any apple eating. That is the fact unless you don't believe Jesus. However, since he didn't say what was eating, means you need to use ur understanding.

However, whatever happened is irrelevant. The main thing is Adam did the wrong thing and the wrong thing could be whatever you construct in your head as sin. In my head, what I sense is premature sex. Moses said Apple, Damina said nothing was eaten, you can still say your own.

The message is clear, Adam sinned.

I agree with you. It was not real apple, rather it was symbolic. How can someone eat an apple and the first thing he will realize is that he/she was naked. The apple was just symbolic.

occfx:
Let me start from the tail, who will tell followers of Mohammed that he is fake?

Now who would say what Moses wrote is right or wrong?

If you start reasoning like this, you will start seeing the truth.

Jesus was there in spirit when Adam was created and he didn't validate any apple eating. That is the fact unless you don't believe Jesus. However, since he didn't say what was eating, means you need to use ur understanding.

However, whatever happened is irrelevant. The main thing is Adam did the wrong thing and the wrong thing could be whatever you construct in your head as sin. In my head, what I sense is premature sex. Moses said Apple, Damina said nothing was eaten, you can still say your own.

The message is clear, Adam sinned.

The bible tells them that Muhammad is fake. Even they themselves know he's deeply flawed reason why they don't encourage inquiry and questioning in their faith. They have such phrases like Allah knows best to cover their ignorance and confusion.

What Moses wrote was validated by other prophets that came after him most especially Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel.

Moses never said apple. I suspect you've never read the bible. The type of fruit was described as the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or simply put the conscience or discernment that everyone carries around. There's another tree there with fruits known as the tree of life. None of the two were described as apples. You're doing even worse than Damina. It couldn't have been premature sex because a lot of sexual sins have occurred since then and man has not been accused of falling all over again. In fact, Sodom and Gomorrah were notorious for sexual perversions which is why they were destroyed. Thus, if it was sexual sin, any time it is committed anywhere, it will imply that man has fallen all over again which will negate the idea of original sin and of course invalidate the death of Jesus as redemption from all sins since only a particular sin was committed by Adam.

olarmybee:
I agree with you. It was not real apple, rather it was symbolic. How can someone eat an apple and the first thing he will realize is that he/she was naked. The apple was just symbolic.

Have you ever read the bible? Can you point to where apple was named as the fruit eaten?

ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES ARE THE WAY OF BLEEPING YOURSELF. NOT GOOD FOR GOD.
ADAM AND EVE BLEEPED EACH OTHER AND GOT HIGH BEFORE GOD.

Ojuntana:
The bible tells them that Muhammad is fake. Even they themselves know he's deeply flawed reason why they don't encourage inquiry and questioning in their faith. They have such phrases like Allah knows best to cover their ignorance and confusion.

What Moses wrote was validated by other prophets that came after him most especially Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel.

Moses never said apple. I suspect you've never read the bible. The type of fruit was described as the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or simply put the conscience or discernment that everyone carries around. There's another tree there with fruits known as the tree of life. None of the two were described as apples. You're doing even worse than Damina. It couldn't have been premature sex because a lot of sexual sins have occurred since then and man has not been accused of falling all over again. In fact, Sodom and Gomorrah were notorious for sexual perversions which is why they were destroyed. Thus, if it was sexual sin, any time it is committed anywhere, it will imply that man has fallen all over again which will negate the idea of original sin and of course invalidate the death of Jesus as redemption from all sins since only a particular sin was committed by Adam.

See your problem is organized religion.

Where was it mentioned in the Bible that Mohammed was fake. I never saw Mohammed in the Bible not to talk of him been fake.

Tree of knowledge and evil is a description by Moses. However if it is correct which I think he is, it's a position from God. We don't know the reasons because, God won't explain everything to you. However, like I say, it's completely irrelevant if it's Apple or not. Disobedience is disobedience and it is Jesus dieing and resurrecting is why we are still for some reasons we still can't tell.

I am telling you what I think it is and you can say your own just like Moses said.

The prophets that came after Moses were all human beings as well and still came short of the glory. If not, there was no need for Christ.

My advise is for us to concentrate on the salvation. What Adam did is now irrelevant however, we must learn from it.

If you sin you shall die. Even if you are forgiven, the consequences are there.

Adam sinned and God had to intercede before he was rescued.

occfx:
See your problem is organized religion.

Where was it mentioned in the Bible that Mohammed was fake. I never saw Mohammed in the Bible not to talk of him been fake.

Tree of knowledge and evil is a description by Moses. However if it is correct which I think he is, it's a position from God. We don't know the reasons because, God won't explain everything to you. However, like I say, it's completely irrelevant if it's Apple or not. Disobedience is disobedience and it is Jesus dieing and resurrecting is why we are still for some reasons we still can't tell.

I am telling you what I think it is and you can say your own just like Moses said.

The prophets that came after Moses were all human beings as well and still came short of the glory. If not, there was no need for Christ.

My advise is for us to concentrate on the salvation. What Adam did is now irrelevant however, we must learn from it.

If you sin you shall die. Even if you are forgiven, the consequences are there.

Adam sinned and God had to intercede before he was rescued.

Go and read the gospel. Jesus Christ already warned his disciples to beware of fake prophets who will rise up in his name. Muhammad is among such. He twisted the story of Jesus to his narrative which his disciples believe today. Jesus said some people will think they are doing God's work by killing Christians. Who are those killing Christians today?

The story of creation was as revealed to Moses. As he said in Deuteronomy 29:29, the secret things belong to God. It is those that are revealed to us that are for us and our children. The story of creation as narrated by him is one of such. It is not Moses' thoughts but the revelation God gave to him on Mount Sinai.

You need to read the bible first, get a proper understanding before you start venturing your interpretation. It is dangerous to add what is not in the bible to it claiming you're free to add your own to it.

Be guided.

Ojuntana:
Go and read the gospel. Jesus Christ already warned his disciples to beware of fake prophets who will rise up in his name. Muhammad is among such. He twisted the story of Jesus to his narrative which his disciples believe today. Jesus said some people will think they are doing God's work by killing Christians. Who are those killing Christians today?

The story of creation was as revealed to Moses. As he said in Deuteronomy 29:29, the secret things belong to God. It is those that are revealed to us that are for us and our children. The story of creation as narrated by him is one of such. It is not Moses' thoughts but the revelation God gave to him on Mount Sinai.

You need to read the bible first, get a proper understanding before you start venturing your interpretation. It is dangerous to add what is not in the bible to it claiming you're free to add your own to it.

Be guided.

God warned you about fake prophets and you think it's Mohammed?

God warned us about the tree of life and death and I think its sex, you say I am wrong but you are right.

Britain and organized religion has messed up the fellowship of Christ but my hope still lies on the Christ life because, the truth cannot be subdued forever.

Whatever happened in the old testament is history and we just have to learn from it. They are completely irrelevant if it does not correspond with the salvation Christ brought.

If our ancestors were smart, they would have documented there experiences and it's old testament as well. They had prophets sent by God as well... I know this will sound strange to you and organized religion. But no p

occfx:
God warned you about fake prophets and you think it's Mohammed?

God warned us about the tree of life and death and I think its sex, you say I am wrong but you are right.

Britain and organized religion has messed up the fellowship of Christ but my hope still lies on the Christ life because, the truth cannot be subdued forever.

Whatever happened in the old testament is history and we just have to learn from it. They are completely irrelevant if it does not correspond with the salvation Christ brought.

If our ancestors were smart, they would have documented there experiences and it's old testament as well. They had prophets sent by God as well... I know this will sound strange to you and organized religion. But no p

Was Muhammad not claiming to be a prophet?

Where is there any hint of the tree of knowledge of good and evil being referred to as sex? If you insist it is sex, what then is the tree of life according to you? Also, if the fruit is sex, what offence did Adam commit in having sex with his wife? Eve would be the only sinner in your scenario since she had sex with the serpent according to your narrative. Why then did God curse Adam who was even the wronged party?

Ojuntana:
Was Muhammad not claiming to be a prophet?

Where is there any hint of the tree of knowledge of good and evil being referred to as sex? If you insist it is sex, what then is the tree of life according to you? Also, if the fruit is sex, what offence did Adam commit in having sex with his wife? Eve would be the only sinner in your scenario since she had sex with the serpent according to your narrative. Why then did God curse Adam who was even the wronged party?

God did not curse Adam... Adam suffered the consequences of his Sin. You will start quoting the Bible but you are actually quoting Moses.

Like I told you what happened in the Garden of Eden is a mystery because, nobody was there except Christ. The author was interpreting according to inspiration. Then from my own understanding, it's sex because the Author says it's a tree at the center. I think another interpretation says Apple. If you ask me the tree of life, I will say it's Christ because, Christ was present.

If you look at my argument, it's consistent and Christ is the reason.

I tell you, the had premature sex introduced from an animal afflicted by Lucifer.

Eve had sex with the animal afflicted by Lucifer who was supposed to guide Adam and told Adam that it was sweet. The idiot could not rebuke Eve, he went ahead to sleep with Eve and that was the beginning of nakeddness.

Let's use our understanding!!!

Nwaikpe:
After saying all these things, someone will still cut white stupid thing and give you to eat and call it the body of Jesus.



Calm down.

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occfx:
God did not curse Adam... Adam suffered the consequences of his Sin. You will start quoting the Bible but you are actually quoting Moses.

Like I told you what happened in the Garden of Eden is a mystery because, nobody was there except Christ. The author was interpreting according to inspiration. Then from my own understanding, it's sex because the Author says it's a tree at the center. I think another interpretation says Apple. If you ask me the tree of life, I will say it's Christ because, Christ was present.

If you look at my argument, it's consistent and Christ is the reason.

I tell you, the had premature sex introduced from an animal afflicted by Lucifer.

Eve had sex with the animal afflicted by Lucifer who was supposed to guide Adam and told Adam that it was sweet. The idiot could not rebuke Eve, he went ahead to sleep with Eve and that was the beginning of nakeddness.

Let's use our understanding!!!

It's obvious you've never read the bible but just depending on hearsay
Genesis 3:17

To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it

Is this part missing from your bible?

Christ is not the tree of life because God said in the same Genesis 3 that if man eats from the tree of life, he'll become immortal. Are you saying Jesus being the son of God with the likelihood of God was also a tree? in other words, is God a tree? If so, what kind is he?

Again, you're yet to show from the bible that there's anything called premature sex cause if there is, it will imply that sex was forbidden for humans until the time of maturity. What then is the time of maturity?
Also, in Genesis 1, God already told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. If you say sex was premature, how were they expected to muliply in accordance with God's pronouncement?

Again, you've not showed how Adam having sex with his wife is a sin is disobedience since God told them to be fruitful and muliply. Note also that in Genesis 2:16, God said they can eat from every fruit of the trees in the garden except that of the tree of good and evil. If you say eating the fruit from that tree means premature sex, what is eating the fruit from the other trees then? Mature sex?

Ojuntana:
It's obvious you've never read the bible but just depending on hearsay
Genesis 3:17



Is this part missing from your bible?

Christ is not the tree of life because God said in the same Genesis 3 that if man eats from the tree of life, he'll become immortal. Are you saying Jesus being the son of God with the likelihood of God was also a tree? in other words, is God a tree? If so, what kind is he?

Again, you're yet to show from the bible that there's anything called premature sex cause if there is, it will imply that sex was forbidden for humans until the time of maturity. What then is the time of maturity?
Also, in Genesis 1, God already told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. If you say sex was premature, how were they expected to muliply in accordance with God's pronouncement?

Again, you've not showed how Adam having sex with his wife is a sin is disobedience since God told them to be fruitful and muliply. Note also that in Genesis 2:16, God said they can eat from every fruit of the trees in the garden except that of the tree of good and evil. If you say eating the fruit from that tree means premature sex, what is eating the fruit from the other trees then? Mature sex?

You are just quoting Moses... Like I told I don't believe God said all that and did all that in the old testament. This is where you are missing. If you insist God said and did all these... Should we assume God did all that evil in the old testament. Don't believe everything you see or read if Jesus Christ did not validate it in the new testament.