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Truthseeker10:
You are a confused individual filled with contradictions.

Alright, Sir. I have heard you, Sir.

Look at someone that said that identity encompasses essence and persons. This guy is just so confused.

Nachmonides:
Yes, I can see it.

Jesus and the father share the same identity, and they don't share the same identity at the same time.


1 identity: They both are God

2 identities: Jesus is the Son, God is the Father.


Identity is different from Persons, and Essence.

The same human being also said this and he wants me to take him serious.

Nachmonides:
You lack an understanding of identity


Identity encompasses essence and personhood.

Identity answers both the question: "What are you?" (essence) and "Who are you?" (personhood).

Truthseeker10:
Look at someone that said that identity encompasses essence and persons. This guy is just so confused.

Yes identity is different from Persons and Essence

But it encompasses Persons and Essence.


I'm really trying to understand what is confusing there.


Identity is the sum total of person(s) and essence

It doesn't mean person (s) stand-alone, and essence stand-alone. I mean, in definition.

Nachmonides:
Yes identity is different from Persons and Essence

But it encompasses Persons and Essence.


I'm really trying to understand what is confusing there.


Identity is the sum total of person(s) and essence

It doesn't mean person (s) stand-alone, and essence stand-alone. I mean, in definition.

Identity can be understood in person, it can be understood in essence.

Identity doesn't mean person in definition, it doesn't mean essence in definition.

Essence has its own meaning, Person (s) has its own meaning.

Identity has its own meaning.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Nachmonides:
I thought you meant the phrase "man of war"


That only appears once.

Your argument about peace is a logical fallacy.

Modified:

It appears twice

But why is God being called Man. Point is, Man must also mean God - hence, "Son of Man" actually means "Son of God"

DaddyCoool:
But why is God being called Man. Point is, Man must also mean God - hence, "Son of Man" actually means "Son of God"

Exactly, why is God being referred to as Man.

Why? — I ask the JWs who are afraid of John 1:1 and what it means


They are also afraid of comparing Daniel 7:31-34 with Revelation 1:4-8, and Revelation 22:12-15

Nachmonides:
Yes identity is different from Persons and Essence

But it encompasses Persons and Essence.


I'm really trying to understand what is confusing there.


Identity is the sum total of person(s) and essence

It doesn't mean person (s) stand-alone, and essence stand-alone. I mean, in definition.

If identity(God) is the sum total of persons(Father and Son) and essence, how come Jesus(person) is not the same identity(God) as God(identity) the Father(person) but in essence?

Truthseeker10:
If identity(God) is the sum total of persons(Father and Son) and essence, how come Jesus(person) is not the same identity(God) as God(identity) the Father(person) but in essence?

Based on what I've been saying, this is how I have rephrased your question:

If identity (person, and essence) is the sum total of persons(Father and Son) and essence (God), how come Jesus(person) is not the same identity (person) as God the Father(person) but in essence?


This is how I understand your question based on what I've said about identity, do I go on to answer this?

Nachmonides:
Based on what I've been saying, this is how I have rephrased your question:

If identity (person, and essence) is the sum total of persons(Father and Son) and essence (God), how come Jesus(person) is not the same identity (person) as God the Father(person) but in essence?


This is how I understand your question based on what I've said about identity, do I go on to answer this?

🤣🤣🤣 So identity is no longer 'God'? So it is essence that is 'God' now?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣 So identity is no longer 'God'?

No, that's not what I said, I said Identity encompasses essence (God) and person (father and son).

Based on that idea, I used it to link to each element in your question.

Your question is saying if identity (essence; God) is the sum total... I didn't say essence is the sum total, I said Identity is the sum total.

Nachmonides:
Based on what I've been saying, this is how I have rephrased your question:

If identity (person, and essence) is the sum total of persons(Father and Son) and essence (God), how come Jesus(person) is not the same identity (person) as God the Father(person) but in essence?


This is how I understand your question based on what I've said about identity, do I go on to answer this?

Kindly correct your error In bold.

Nachmonides:
No, that's not what I said, I said Identity encompasses essence (God) and person (father and son).

Based on that idea, I used it to link to each element in your question.

Your question is saying if identity (essence; God) is the sum total... I didn't say essence is the sum total, I said Identity is the sum total.

Oga you said earlier that 'God' is the linked 'identity' of the two persons na. Which kind confusion be this?

Truthseeker10:
Kindly correct your error In bold.

It is not an error sir.

Please tell me the error.
I said that is how I understand your question.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you said earlier that 'God' is the linked 'identity' of the two persons na. Which kind confusion be this?

Yes, I said earlier that they both (2 persons) share one essence which is God, that is the identity of their essence.

I did not say that shared essence is the sum total of both person(s) and essence.

Nachmonides:
It is not an error sir.

Please tell me the error.
I said that is how I understand your question.

You did not add essence in the bracket.

Oga you said before that two persons are linked to "God identity" so how come that "God" is no longer the identity but now essence?

Nachmonides:
Exactly, why is God being referred to as Man.
Why? — I ask the JWs who are afraid of John 1:1 and what it means
They are also afraid of comparing Daniel 7:31-34 with Revelation 1:4-8, and Revelation 22:12-15

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

John 1:1 reads

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

Daniel 7:31-34

31 They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’ 32 “‘Therefore look! the days are coming,’ declares Jehovah, ‘when it will no longer be called Toʹpheth or the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom but the Valley of the Slaughter. They will bury in Toʹpheth until there is no place left. 33 And the dead bodies of this people will become food for the birds of the heavens and for the beasts of the earth, with no one to frighten them away. 34 I will put an end to the sound of exultation and the sound of rejoicing, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will be reduced to ruins.

Revelations 1:4-8

1 John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen. 7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Revelations 22:12-15

12 “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. 13 I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, so that they may have authority to go to the trees of life and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’

So what is the essence of these quotations?

Nachmonides:
Yes, I said earlier that they both (2 persons) share one essence which is God, that is the identity of their essence.

I did not say that shared essence is the sum total of both person(s) and essence.

oga you are a confusionist and a liar. You said two persons linked to "God identity" not essence.

Truthseeker10:
You did not add essence in the bracket.

Oga you said before that two persons are linked to "God identity" so how come that "God" is no longer the identity but now essence?

Remember, I said

There are 2 persons, which share the same essence.

This is what I said.

I said that the 2 persons are God the father, and God the son

Their essence being God.

So God the father as a person has an essence which is God

Truthseeker10:
oga you are a confusionist and a liar. You said two persons linked to "God identity" not essence.

You're still bringing up this issue of identity and essence.

Nachmonides:
Remember, I said

There are 2 persons, which share the same essence.

This is what I said.

I said that the 2 persons are God the father, and God the son

Their essence being God.

So God the father as a person has an essence which is God

Do you agree that you describe 'identity' as 'God' earlier?

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree that you describe 'identity' as 'God' earlier?

Yes, and I clarified what the identity means.

Nachmonides:
You're still bringing up this issue of identity and essence.

Your earliest submission was that two persons linked to the "God identity". So why are you lying?

Nachmonides:
Yes, and I clarified what the identity means.

Ahhh....baba clarifier so the two persons are no longer linked to the "God identity" in John 1:1?

Truthseeker10:
Your earliest submission was that two persons linked to the "God identity". So why are you lying?

Lol, back and forth.

Yes, linked to the God identity. And I clarified that identity.

Truthseeker10:
Ahhh....baba clarifier so the two persons are no longer linked to the "God identity" in John 1:1?

Lol.

They are. They share the same identity.

Nachmonides:
Lol, back and forth.

Yes, linked to the God identity. And I clarified that identity.

Oga is the identity 'God' and Are two persons linked to it? Yes or no? If yes, how can Jesus and Father not share the same identity?

Nachmonides:
Lol.

They are. They share the same identity.

So how can Father and Jesus not share the same identity na According to your teachings here since?

Truthseeker10:
Oga is the identity 'God' and Are two persons linked to it? Yes or no? If yes, how can Jesus and God not share the same identity?

The identity is God, the identity that they share here is the essence.
Yes they share the same essence, or if you want, are "linked" to it.

Jesus and God the father cannot share the same identity if the identity means personhood, but if it means essence, then they share that same identity.

Truthseeker10:
So how can Father and Jesus not share the same identity na According to your teachings here since?

Knowing that identity can be understood in essence, and personhood

They do not share the same identity of person because their roles and how they related are different in scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
That will only amount to endless arguments but what of prophecies found written in the Bible that's being fulfilled today?

Like wars and rumors of war? Kindly tell me what period of history never had wars and rumours of war.