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Namaster:
The Russia-Ukraine war is one war where I can say with confidence that BOTH sides are right.

Ukraine is right to want to protect themselves from Russia and Putin by joining NATO.

Putin is right for NOT wanting anymore NATO bases surrounding his country.

I sympathise with BOTH sides and think both sides are waging a JUST war.

Most people who support Ukraine do so because Ukraine is the clear UNDERDOG while Russia is the POWERFUL aggressor.

Ukraine will forever REGRET the decision to RELINQUISH their Nuclear Warheads.

Namaster:
The Russia-Ukraine war is one war where I can say with confidence that BOTH sides are right.

Ukraine is right to want to protect themselves from Russia and Putin by joining NATO.

Putin is right for NOT wanting anymore NATO bases surrounding his country.

I sympathise with BOTH sides and think both sides are waging a JUST war.

Most people who support Ukraine do so because Ukraine is the clear UNDERDOG while Russia is the POWERFUL aggressor.

Ukraine will forever REGRET the decision to RELINQUISH their Nuclear Warheads.

TenQ:
Perfectly said!

Unfortunately, the problem isn't Ukraine but
1. Russia who invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took Cremia. Up till this , no one in Ukraine wanted to join NATO
2. USA, who used coercive force to make Ukraine give up her Nuclear arsenal with a promise to protect her from external aggression with the Budapest Accord. Unfortunately, the two guarantees for the agreement failed.
3. United Nations, who pretended that Cremia was not militarily occupied in 2014 by Putin. If the whole world had prevented this, the new invasion would not have happened.


Now , Finland and Sweden have joined NATO because of the aggressive behaviours of Russia. What excuse remains for Ukraine.

Solution:
If Ukraine will not join NATO, she must be allowed to "re-aquire" her Nuclear arsenal and not only this, to build it to its former size.

And no one should complain of Nuclear proliferation.

And after that, Ukraine may by the use of force re-aquire her lost territories from Putin!

TenQ:
Exactly like,
Port Harcourt and Warri never had Oil Refineries: Abuja only stationed the Refineries in Port Harcourt and Warri. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the refineries.

Niger State never had Kanji Dam: Abuja only stationed the Dam in Kanji. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the Dam.

Your argument is like saying that Only Abuja owned everything in Nigeria. If you find fault in this argument, it means you were very wrong and only speaking from a negative bias.

Russia is NOT USSR, it was only the capital and USSR is not Russia!

Quelme:
but Russia inherited all the debts of the USSR and successful repaid every penny. So, what exactly is your point?

TenQ:
Exactly like,
Port Harcourt and Warri never had Oil Refineries: Abuja only stationed the Refineries in Port Harcourt and Warri. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the refineries.

Niger State never had Kanji Dam: Abuja only stationed the Dam in Kanji. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the Dam.

Your argument is like saying that Only Abuja owned everything in Nigeria. If you find fault in this argument, it means you were very wrong and only speaking from a negative bias.

Russia is NOT USSR, it was only the capital and USSR is not Russia!

Quelme:
what territories are you talking about here? Is it the one the then premier of the USSR Nikita Krushev gifted to Soviet Ukraine? Donbass in it entirety were historically Russian territory.

Ukraine never had the launch code to those nukes. It may interest you to know that, Belarus and Kazakhstan both had nukes as part of the Soviet Union.

Procashtips:
Russia the capital of USSR?

Wahala

Dream25:
Ukraine had no warhead, it was all Russia and it source code and control were in Moscow.. Ukraine cannot even dare to maintain one..

TenQ:
Exactly like,
Port Harcourt and Warri never had Oil Refineries: Abuja only stationed the Refineries in Port Harcourt and Warri. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the refineries.

Niger State never had Kanji Dam: Abuja only stationed the Dam in Kanji. It was Abuja who controlled who heads the Dam.

Your argument is like saying that Only Abuja owned everything in Nigeria. If you find fault in this argument, it means you were very wrong and only speaking from a negative bias.

Russia is NOT USSR, it was only the capital and USSR is not Russia!

TenQ:
Sorry Moscow in Russia.
My error!

WriteerNg:
Read what you just typed and see if it makes any sense.

If Texas breaks out from the US and becomes a country. Does it make the US not US?

If the US removes it's Nukes from Texas, does it mean the nukes belong to Texas?

The US central government controls everything. One state pulling out from the union doesn't change anything. It's the same with Russia.

90% of USSR territory is in Russia. They only had to change name because the USSR (United Soviet Socialist Republic) were no longer united, as the name implies.

Russia is the central government. Ukraine and the others were republics. In Russia, republics are the equivalent of states.

TenQ:
This was why I gave you examples you can follow and understand if you choose.
Abuja, Warri, Port Harcourt and Kanji.

It's not my fault if it is difficult for you to follow!

TenQ:
No sir


In December 1991, agreements allocated 61.34% of the debt to Russia and 16.37% to Ukraine, with other republics sharing the remainder

Source?
https://ridl.io/the-heavy-legacy-of-the-soviet-regime/

TenQ:
The launch code is not as important as the hardware and the technology sir. Launch codes can be bypassed by replacing the electronics. Launch code is to prevent a unilateral launch of the ballistic missile that carries the nukes. There's nothing extra special about it .

BTW, every nuclear weapon (especially the tritium core ) has an expiry date and the core has to be reconstituted periodically. Ukraine is well equipped for that

Secondly, you make some wild assumptions
1. The only scientists and engineers that developed USSRs nuclear arsenal were just Russians alone
2. The only spys that stole the blueprint of nuclear weapons from Britain were just Russians alone

Are these assumptions true?

Procashtips:
Ok.

Russia was USSR, USSR was Russia.

Remove Russia from USSR, you have nothing of significant left.

Quelme:
why is it that till this day, no former Soviet state has ever launched satellite, rocket into space? Because they don't have the technology.

You think say na akara and moi moi we dey talk for here?

God1000:
He's a friend of Putin, Americans voted for an idiot the second time, let the drama continue


I remember people calling me western asslicker for opposing the invasion of Ukraine, the same people later labelled me a terrorist sympathizer for speaking out against the genocide in Gaza, now they have turned around again to support this madman, calling me a Muslim and gay for opposing trump and his gang of criminals

It's always good to stand for the truth and what is right.

I want Russia-Ukraine war to end as soon as possible, Putin should withdraw his troops from Ukraine and Ukraine on the other hand should stay away from NATO

Quelme:
say what you know oga

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/26-years-on-russia-set-to-repay-all-soviet-unions-foreign-debt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repudiation_of_debt_at_the_Russian_Revolution#:~:text=By%20August%2021%2C%202006%2C%20all,paid%20off%20by%20Russian%20Federation.

TenQ:
You have Ukraine: the biggest of the breakaway republics

You still have many regions that decided to stay in union with Russia till today like Tatarstan, Chechnya, Bashkortostan and several non Russian Oblasts .

The current Russia is a federation of several non ethnic Russian people!

WriteerNg:
Those aren't even examples. You're way off the mark.

Procashtips:
How is Ukraine the biggest of the breakaway republic?

BTW, do you know that there were only 3 independent country (recognised/sovereign) in the defunct SSR apart from Russia?

There was no Ukraine as an independent country as at then, "Ukraine" then was part and parcel of the Russian empire with Kiev being one of it's capitals

You can consult the internet to see for yourself.

So the word "republic" used in this context doesn't mean they were sovereign prior to coming into USSR.

It was after the dissolution of USSR that most of these countries we have in Europe became an entity/sovereign nation.

Omoejigbahe:
Will USA take such from other countries

gawu1:
The hypocrisy of the world is what is fanning the war. The West including America support Israel occupation of Palestine but oppose Russia annexation of Ukraine.
Our own local Jews here oppose to hear independent Palestine but want a part of Nigeria relinquishes to them to establish their own independent country.

TenQ:
Yes! It was the main condition for recognition of Ukraine as a sovereign nation!


The Budapest agreement was an agreement to Protect Ukraine in an aftermath of external aggression in exchange for giving up their Nukes.

USA only violated her agreement when Cremia was invaded by Russia and they virtually looked away and did not come to the defence of Ukraine.


*The Cremian peninsula was Originally owned by the Tartars well before 1783 and not Russian if you want to go by history.
*The Cremian peninsula voted to be part of Ukraine at the breakup of the USSR.

Are these true or untrue statements.

TenQ:
Here is the list of Republics in the old USSR sir. Russia and Ukraine are highlighted

Armenia (Armenian SSR)
Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan SSR)
Belarus (Byelorussian SSR)
Estonia (Estonian SSR)
Georgia (Georgian SSR)
Kazakhstan (Kazakh SSR)
Kyrgyzstan (Kirghiz SSR)
Latvia (Latvian SSR)
Lithuania (Lithuanian SSR)
Moldova (Moldavian SSR)
Russia (Russian SFSR)
Tajikistan (Tajik SSR)
Turkmenistan (Turkmen SSR)
Ukraine (Ukrainian SSR)
Uzbekistan (Uzbek SSR)

Believeintruth:
You are still trying to play smart by dodging the real thing. Tell us what led to the annexation of Crimea or you want to say that Putin just woke up and decided to annex Crimea without reason?

TenQ:
It takes a lot of money and political will to do so.

Even countries with space programs spend a fortune running the program. I am sure you know that Ukraine have developed their own ballistic missiles (just because of this senseless war).

Are you aware that Ukraine also maintains their FOUR nuclear power stations without any help from Russia.

Procashtips:
I attached a screenshot to what I wrote, I don't understand why you're sending me the above. You can argue with what I attached which was gotten from a verified like. What you're copying and pasting doesnt invalidate nor give credence to whatever narrative you're trying to push.

Only 4 countries were independent prior to forming the USSR which my screenshot highlighted, anything else were part and parcel of regions the Russia empire conquered.