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It often amuse me each time people who refuse to humble themselves talk about faith because Jesus said those who refuses to gather around him will SCATTER {Luke 11:23} upon all these arguments about Jesus being God or not what is the result?

Whether Jesus is God or not you guys only end up arguing, insulting and abusing one another yet those in support will never gather to talk about how to preach and teach about God's Kingdom neither will those against the OP.


So Satan is truly intelligent because by so doing they will only end up arguing arrogantly without agreeing on how Jesus commanded his disciples to preach and teach in their neighborhood! 2Corinthians 4:4

Truthseeker10:
Let's leave the father(liquid) visibility issue aside.

I am concerned about John 1:18 with your water analogy.

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?


You said that there is Only one invisible God(father(liquid))... Is the Holy spirit(block) visible since he is The same as God(water)?

You are pretending not to understand, I don't know who you trying to fool.
Simple:
1) You can't directly see the Father (God)
2) But you can directly see Christ (equally God) and therefore you're indirectly seeing the Father (same God)
3) The Holy Spirit is God's energy and can manifest as a dove, fire, etc

Any more rather dumb questions?

DaddyCoool:
You are pretending not to understand, I don't know who you trying to fool.
Simple:
1) You can't directly see the Father (God)
2) But you can directly see Christ (equally God) and therefore you're indirectly seeing the Father (same God)
3) The Holy Spirit is God's energy and can manifest as a dove, fire, etc

Any more rather dumb questions?

Point 1 and 2.
So explain John 1:18. Note: John 1:18 does not say that no one has seen the Father(liquid) but God(water) which is the same as Jesus(steam).

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Point 3.
Is the Holy spirit(block) the energy of God(water) or the Holy spirit(block) is God(water)?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit(block) is visible because he manifest through dove but the father(liquid) is not visible Even though he too manifest through the Son(steam)?

Truthseeker10:
Point 1 and 2.
So explain John 1:18. Note: John 1:18 does not say that no one has seen the Father(liquid) but God(water) which is the same as Jesus(steam).

Is Jesus(steam) the same as God(water)?
If yes, How can John 1:18 be correct to say that no one has seen God(water) at anytime when Jesus(steam) was actually the same as God(water)?

Point 3.
Is the Holy spirit(block) the energy of God(water) or the Holy spirit(block) is God(water)?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit(block) is visible because he manifest through dove but the father(liquid) is not visible Even though he too manifest through the Son(steam)?

Can you pleeeaasse stop with the DUMB, pretentious questions??

You've been told a million times that God is used interchangeably with the Father!
Of course you can't see God (the Father) BUT you can see God (the Son]. So anyone that says you can't see God is correct, AND anyone that says you can see God is also correct. Stop playing dumb!

The Holy Spirit is of course INVISIBLE like the Father but can manifest as visible just like the Father.
If you still don't get such simple concept, I give up!

Truthseeker10:
Ahhh....so the father(liquid) manifested In Jesus(steam) and people saw him according to john 14:9 and John 1:18 says that no one has seen God(water) at anytime? Is that not a contradiction?

words have context no man has seen God, is actually referring to the father.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

I believe when he said no man has seen God, he is not just saying to see visually which is true but to know him deeply.
But after the disciples has spent time with Jesus they now knew the father.

Steep:
words have context no man has seen God, is actually referring to the father.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

I believe when he said no man has seen God, he is not just saying to see visually which is true but to know him deeply.
But after the disciples has spent time with Jesus they now knew the father.

So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the God that no man has seen which is the father?

In John 6:46, is the seeing that Jesus talked about literal or figurative?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Was Jesus also saying that even the holy spirit has not seen God except him alone?

DaddyCoool:
Can you pleeeaasse stop with the DUMB, pretentious questions??

You've been told a million times that God is used interchangeably with the Father!
Of course you can't see God (the Father) BUT you can see God (the Son]. So anyone that says you can't see God is correct, AND anyone that says you can see God is also correct. Stop playing dumb!

The Holy Spirit is of course INVISIBLE like the Father but can manifest as visible just like the Father.
If you still don't get such simple concept, I give up!

Why are you also not accepting that Holy Spirit(block) and the Son(steam) Is also used interchangeably with God(water) since they are the same and not seperate from God(water), is it only the father(liquid) that is God(water)?

How can anyone who says that no one has seen God(water) be correct when Jesus is the same as God(water)?

So do you Now agree that you were wrong to say that the Only invisible God(water) is the Father(liquid) because the Holy spirit(block) is also invisible and he is the same as God(water) according to your trinity doctrine?

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the God that no man has seen which is the father?

when he said no man has seen God, he is referring to the father. When he said no man has seen the father but the only begotten Son has declared him, there is a 'but' there. Meaning apart from christ revelation nobody has seen the father.

In John 6:46, is the seeing that Jesus talked about literal or figurative?

figuratively although also true literally.

Steep:
when he said no man has seen God, he is referring to the father. When he said no man has seen the father but the only begotten Son has declared him, there is a 'but' there. Meaning apart from christ revelation nobody has seen the father.

So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the 'God' that is the 'father'?

figuratively although also true literally.

According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the Father?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Steep:
when he said no man has seen God, he is referring to the father. When he said no man has seen the father but the only begotten Son has declared him, there is a 'but' there. Meaning apart from christ revelation nobody has seen the father.



figuratively although also true literally.

So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the 'God' that is the 'father' that no one has seen?

According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the 'God' that is the 'Father'?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Truthseeker10:
According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the Father?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

The context does not nclude the holy Spirit.

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that Jesus is seperate from the 'God' that is the 'father' that no one has seen?

According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the 'God' that is the 'Father'?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

Jesus is separate from the Father in pershood but one with the father in being.
The context is about human.
Again context is about humans coming into relationship with God

Steep:
Jesus is separate from the Father in pershood but one with the father in being.
The context is about human.
Again context is about humans coming into relationship with God

What is the meaning of the word 'being', do you mean 'God'?

Steep:
The context does not nclude the holy Spirit.

Lol....so John 6:46 is not actually saying that it is only Jesus that has seen 'God' the 'father', Even the holy spirit has seen 'God' the 'Father' as well?

Truthseeker10:
Why are you also not accepting that Holy Spirit(block) and the Son(steam) Is also used interchangeably with God(water) since they are the same and not seperate from God(water), is it only the father(liquid) that is God(water)?

How can anyone who says that no one has seen God(water) be correct when Jesus is the same as God(water)?

So do you Now agree that you were wrong to say that the Only invisible God(water) is the Father(liquid) because the Holy spirit(block) is also invisible and he is the same as God(water) according to your trinity doctrine?

Wow! He's still talking??
Where do I even start?
OK, where is the Son today? Do you see Him?
You already instinctively know that God is invisible to living men! Even idol worshippers have to carve things that REPRESENT their god. Even they understand they can't see their god - how come you don't??!
Well it's because you bury yourself in minutae and get totally confused!
GOD IS SPIRIT! That Spirit dwelt in a body people can see some 2000 years ago.
And of course the Holy Spirit is invisible and stays invisible unless manifested as something - and that's exactly what I said. They're all extensions of same ONE God!
Stop confusing yourself with obsession with IRRELEVANT minutae!

Steep:
when he said no man has seen God, he is referring to the father. When he said no man has seen the father but the only begotten Son has declared him, there is a 'but' there. Meaning apart from christ revelation nobody has seen the father.

figuratively although also true literally.

When you don't know the answer don't answer from two sides of your mouth, "figuratively or literally" your saying "figuratively although also true literally."

There is nothing figuratively about Jesus seeing the Father

It's figuratively for Moses to speak face to face to God when all he saw was the back, it's figuratively for Job to say now I see God when all he experienced was God speaking from a whirlwind, etc etc etc.


Of all the men that lived only one had actually seen God, and that man is Jesus Christ and he revealed who the Father is.

Truthseeker10:
According to John 6:46, has the Holy Spirit seen the Father?

New King James Version
Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

🫡 you have driven nachmonides away with the truth and now the same may happen to steep 😂

Steep:
Jesus is separate from the Father in pershood but one with the father in being.
The context is about human.
Again context is about humans coming into relationship with God

The context of John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (NIV)

No human has seen the Father except for this human who came from God, who is the Father or which other God did Jesus reveal? Himself?

There's a question someone asked, did God or a man die on the cross? could you answer that, seeing as you believe Jesus is God, so did God die on a stake or cross, was God killed by crucifixion?

DaddyCoool:
Wow! He's still talking??
Where do I even start?
OK, where is the Son today? Do you see Him?
You already instinctively know that God is invisible to living men! Even idol worshippers have to carve things that REPRESENT their god. Even they understand they can't see their god - how come you don't??!
Well it's because you bury yourself in minutae and get totally confused!
GOD IS SPIRIT! That Spirit dwelt in a body people can see some 2000 years ago.
And of course the Holy Spirit is invisible and stays invisible unless manifested as something - and that's exactly what I said. They're all extensions of same ONE God!
Stop confusing yourself with obsession with IRRELEVANT minutae!

you! You are surprised somebody is talking

If you are more silent no more would consider you confused or foolish

DaddyCoool:
Can you pleeeaasse stop with the DUMB, pretentious questions??

You've been told a million times that God is used interchangeably with the Father!
Of course you can't see God (the Father) BUT you can see God (the Son]. So anyone that says you can't see God is correct, AND anyone that says you can see God is also correct. Stop playing dumb!

The Holy Spirit is of course INVISIBLE like the Father but can manifest as visible just like the Father.
If you still don't get such simple concept, I give up!

you claim one can't see God yet Jesus who I believe in said blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

So either everyone who saw Jesus was pure, meaning he didn't have to die, nor preach nor even come in the first place 😁 but he came thank God to open the eyes of the blind

But you by your words call Jesus a liar and that no one can see God

DaddyCoool:
You are pretending not to understand, I don't know who you trying to fool.
Simple:
1) You can't directly see the Father (God)
2) But you can directly see Christ (equally God) and therefore you're indirectly seeing the Father (same God)
3) The Holy Spirit is God's energy and can manifest as a dove, fire, etc

Any more rather dumb questions?

you think you are wise by calling His questions dumb, maybe after eating something you thought you are as wise as God instead of you to listen to God and ask Him for wisdom.

So the Holy Spirit is not God anymore but God's energy. So your own is no more trinity but duality 😁

gohf:
you think you are wise by calling His questions dumb, maybe after eating something you thought you are as wise as God instead of you to listen to God and ask Him for wisdom.

So the Holy Spirit is not God anymore but God's energy. So your own is no more trinity but duality 😁

I thought you've accepted correction and shut up - after I showed you WHY Christ has to be God. You've started talking again?
You already instinctively know these things, just arguing for argument sake.
They're all God's energy - there is only ONE God, remember? Who's energy did you think the Holy Spirit was??

DaddyCoool:
I thought you've accepted correction and shut up - after I showed you WHY Christ has to be God. You've started talking again?
You already instinctively know these things, just arguing for argument sake.
They're all God's energy - there is only ONE God, remember? Who's energy did you think the Holy Spirit was??

you showed who, well you are even blind and most likely deceived yourself that i accepted your nonsense.

gohf:
you showed who, well you are even blind and most likely deceived yourself that i accepted your nonsense.

Here's the post again. It is actually worth re-posting. I thought it had shut you up for good and you had accepted correction:

Can't you see he can ONLY be God? God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

DaddyCoool:
Here's the post again. It is actually worth re-posting. I thought it had shut you up for good and you had accepted correction:

Can't you see he can ONLY be God. God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

I treated your words as nonsense even before this

This words if you don't plead for God's mercy you will account for them.

God has no son, so Jesus the son of God is not the son of God but a god that lied and hide his true identity so as to reveal the truth to us.

Soo.,..
...Mary did not give birth to Jesus, he fell from the sky and they found him in a barn, God became man and lived with them till he died or gave up his godhood on the cross which is his spirit so that we can receive his godhood and become gods like him, since his godhood is sharable, and then he took back who he really is, and returned to being God once again. So he changed, lied and deceived just to save you and bless you with godhood or energy from God in solid invisible form that can manifest as fire...

DaddyCoool:
Wow! He's still talking??
Where do I even start?
OK, where is the Son today? Do you see Him?
You already instinctively know that God is invisible to living men! Even idol worshippers have to carve things that REPRESENT their god. Even they understand they can't see their god - how come you don't??!
Well it's because you bury yourself in minutae and get totally confused!
GOD IS SPIRIT! That Spirit dwelt in a body people can see some 2000 years ago.
And of course the Holy Spirit is invisible and stays invisible unless manifested as something - and that's exactly what I said. They're all extensions of same ONE God!
Stop confusing yourself with obsession with IRRELEVANT minutae!

Madam or Oga,You say God(water) is a spirit and that same God(water) was on earth and people saw him as Jesus(steam)....How can you now say that God(water) is invisible when people actually saw Jesus(steam) on earth? Or was it a different and seperate God(water) that came to earth as Jesus(steam)?

You said earlier that the only invisible God(water) is the Father(liquid)....Are you agreeing now that you were wrong for saying that?

gohf:
I treated your words as nonsense even before this

This words if you don't plead for God's mercy you will account for them.

God has no son, so Jesus the son of God is not the son of God but a god that lied and hide his true identity so as to reveal the truth to us.

Soo.,..
...Mary did not give birth to Jesus, he fell from the sky and they found him in a barn, God became man and lived with them till he died or gave up his godhood on the cross which is his spirit so that we can receive his godhood and become gods like him, since his godhood is sharable, and then he took back who he really is, and returned to being God once again. So he changed, lied and deceived just to save you and bless you with godhood or energy from God in solid invisible form that can manifest as fire...

It's amazing what PRIDE can do. You know full well this argument is over, this is just pride talking.

Unless you invent your own English, God couldn't have had a son with him at creation without having, or having had, a third person (mother) - unless "son" in this case means an extention of himself!

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of the word 'being', do you mean 'God'?

Being means existence, substance, essence, the stuff something is, without any discontinuity.

gohf:
When you don't know the answer don't answer from two sides of your mouth, "figuratively or literally" your saying "figuratively although also true literally."

There is nothing figuratively about Jesus seeing the Father

It's figuratively for Moses to speak face to face to God when all he saw was the back, it's figuratively for Job to say now I see God when all he experienced was God speaking from a whirlwind, etc etc etc.


Of all the men that lived only one had actually seen God, and that man is Jesus Christ and he revealed who the Father is.

after ignoring John 1v1.
John 1 vv1 says Jesus is God, you are only living in denial.

Steep:
Being means existence, substance, essence, the stuff something is, without any discontinuity.

So if Jesus is the same 'God substance' with the Father, how Can John 1:18 say no one has seen 'God' when Jesus is the same 'God substance' and people saw him?

gohf:
The context of John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (NIV)

No human has seen the Father except for this human who came from God, who is the Father or which other God did Jesus reveal? Himself?

There's a question someone asked, did God or a man die on the cross? could you answer that, seeing as you believe Jesus is God, so did God die on a stake or cross, was God killed by crucifixion?

So was Jesus a human in heaven or he was God?
When did he become a human? Before he becam human what was he?
I

Steep:
after ignoring John 1v1.
John 1 vv1 says Jesus is God, you are only living in denial.

Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.