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The Kaaba was a holy site for Bedouin tribes before Islam, and the tribes would make annual pilgrimages to the site to worship and trade since they are mostly normadic:

Location
The Kaaba is located in the center of Al-Masjid al-Haram, Islam's most sacred mosque, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Purpose
The Kaaba was a sanctuary for warring tribes to set aside their differences and worship their gods. The site also housed idols, including a statue of Hubal, the chief god of pre-Islamic Arabia.

Pilgrimages
Bedouin tribes would make a pilgrimage to the Kaaba once a year to worship (do circumambulations of the Kaaba nakedly, kiss the stone,...), trade, and set aside tribal feuds.

Black Stone
The Kaaba also housed the Black Stone, which Muslims believe was sent down to the Prophet Ibrahim. During their circumambulations of the Kaaba, pilgrims often try to kiss the stone.

The Al-Haram tribe, a Bedouin tribe of Saudi Arabia, is said to have originally protected the Kaaba.


An invitation Sterope to ask your questions here.


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Also, click these link to read previous Threads:
1. Mut'ah: A Divine Prostitution
2. Kaaba Of The Bedouin Tribes

Hubal was a moon god and a prominent figure in the polytheistic Arab pantheon before the rise of Islam:

Worship
The Quraysh tribe of Makkah worshipped Hubal at the Kaaba, where his idol was a human figure. To seek answers to questions, people would throw arrows in front of the idol and follow the direction the arrows pointed. Hubal was also associated with war and weather, especially rain.

Image
Hubal's image was believed to have featured a crescent moon, which symbolized his connection to the moon. The moon was a significant symbol in ancient Arabia, representing rebirth, fertility, and fortune.

Destruction
In 630 AD, Muhammad destroyed the idol of Hubal, along with the other 360 idols in Makkah, using a rod. The Quran does not mention Hubal by name, though it does mention other pagan gods. Why?

We don't deny the above oga. It shows how little you know.


First place of worship to One God

However, the Qur'an states that it is the first place of worship demarcated for one God.

"Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah - blessed and a guidance for the worlds. In it are clear signs [such as] the standing place of Abraham. And whoever enters it shall be safe. And [due] to Allah from the people is a pilgrimage to the House - for whoever is able to find thereto a way. But whoever disbelieves - then indeed, Allah is free from need of the worlds."

Pagan worship
Over time people chose to worship pagans there (like how children of Israel turned back to idol worshiping despite God's obvious miracle) and when Islam got into Mecca, they destroyed all their pagan gods and left it open as a means to guide Muslims who pray.


Abraham and Ishmael
There was a period in time where Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundation and after doing to they made the following prayers

And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, saying, 'Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who stay [for worship] and those who bow and prostrate [in prayer].'"

"And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael, [saying], 'Our Lord, accept [this] from us. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.'

Jerusalem then Mecca
When Islam came, the prophet used to pray facibg Jerusalem until God directed the prophet to face Kaaba and it became as a central place of direction for all Muslims.

"We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a Qibla with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward Al-Masjid Al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do."

"The foolish among the people will say, 'What has turned them away from their Qibla, which they used to face?' Say, 'To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path.'"

Kaaba is not God

And a Muslim that worships Kaaba will go to hell!!! because it is not God but a mere symbol and it unifies Muslims across all countries, languages and tribes.

"So turn your face toward Al-Masjid Al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer] so that the people will have no argument against you, except for those of them who commit wrong; so fear them not but fear Me. And [it is] so I may complete My favor upon you and that you may be guided."

Kidsing the black stone
Kidsing the stone is NOT part of pilgrimage. There are many who have never kissed the stone will never kissed the stone and they have commited no sin and their pilgrimage is very valid.

You would know if you researched why? Umar(one of the Prophet's closest companion) once saw the prophet kissed the stone and he did and some people now do it.




Again, if you have chosen not to read the Qur'an or get basic Islamic knowledge. I will not waste time trying to teach you because you are not ready to learn. A man that shouts Allah means moon god in 2024 is irredeemable. If you have read the Qur'an, you won't be here lecturing me about Kaaba.

Another fun fact for you: every hour every day, there is one person in the world praying facing towards Mecca.

Islamic Crescent Symbol

Have you researched on how the crescent moon came to be a symbol for Islam before writing this epistle?


Fun fact:

It came years after the prophet Muhammad's death. The Byzantine (Christians) used the crescent to represent Constantinopole (Istanbul)

and when the Ottoman empire took over the islamic world they decided to use it to represent Islam with stars as well

Why? Christians had their own symbol (the cross) and the Jews had star of David so they decided to use the moon and the stars. Also, Muslims rely on lunar calendar a lot so it fits.

You will never find the symbol for the moon in a any correspondences of the Prophet's or his companions today. Pictures are out there on Google. find it!

To be a critic, you start with knowledge of both sides not one sided knowledge especially not from idiots. It shows intellectually laziness. You can do better, there are islamaphobia websites with a weak attempt at stronger arguments.

Just passing by

Sterope:
We don't deny the above oga. It shows how little you know.


First place of worship to One God

However, the Qur'an states that it is the first place of worship demarcated for one God.




Pagan worship
Over time people chose to worship pagans there (like how children of Israel turned back to idol worshiping despite God's obvious miracle) and when Islam got into Mecca, they destroyed all their pagan gods and left it open as a means to guide Muslims who pray.


Abraham and Ishmael
There was a period in time where Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundation and after doing to they made the following prayers



Jerusalem then Mecca
When Islam came, God directed the prophet to face Kaaba as a central place of worship. Early muslims used to face Jerusalem when they pray like the Jews.




Kaaba is not God

And a Muslim that worships Kaaba will go to hell!!! because it is not God but a mere symbol and it unifies Muslims across all countries, languages and tribes.



Kidsing the black stone
Kidsing the stone is NOT part of pilgrimage. There are many who have never kissed the stone will never kissed the stone and they have commited no sin and their pilgrimage is very valid.

You would know if you researched why? Umar(one of the Prophet's closest companion) once saw the prophet kissed the stone and he did and some people now do it.




Again, if you have chosen not to read the Qur'an or get basic Islamic knowledge. I will not waste time trying to teach you because you are not ready to learn. A man that shouts Allah means moon god in 2024 is irredeemable. If you have read the Qur'an, you won't be here lecturing me about Kaaba.

Another fun fact for you: every hour every day, there is one person in the world praying facing towards Mecca.

100 percent correct 👍 This is very clear for those that have working brain .

The idols were destroyed and removed , which Idols are they worshipping again . Nawa o .

Where is it written that Abraham circumbulate the shrine of kaaba half naked as you're doing today in Islam?

Any Muslim that have a working brain to answer this

The first Muslim was Muhammed. He invented the religion of Islam.

He was converted to Judaism where he first learnt about monotheism. This influenced why he initially worshiped towards the the wall of Jerusalem, just like others who practice Judaism. Muhammed's father and fore fathers were paganists and polytheists.

Abraham never worshipped in Kaaba, there is no other record anywhere apart the quran (whose authenticity is highly questionable). Abraham does not even know anything about Allah.

Nothing much has changed from the way pagans during muhammed's period (who worship idols) and Muslims today who worship Allah do their religion.

If there is a God who made the universe, his worship will not be limited to a small geographical area, nor his language limited to arabic. In fact the Bedouin tribes are normads who travels away from Mecca and must face the direction of their gods whenever they are to pray.

The primitive and immoral lifestyle of Muhammed cast strong doubt about the authenticity of whoever he claim he recieve his revelation from to be a God.


Compulsory bowing towards a house no matter what you call it is idolatory (whether it is done by christian or muslims), kissing of black stone (an important part of pilgrimage) is idolatory, semi-naked circumambulations around the Kaaba is idolatory. You can keep deceiving yourself but it is what it is.

Sterope:
We don't deny the above oga. It shows how little you know.


First place of worship to One God

However, the Qur'an states that it is the first place of worship demarcated for one God.




Pagan worship
Over time people chose to worship pagans there (like how children of Israel turned back to idol worshiping despite God's obvious miracle) and when Islam got into Mecca, they destroyed all their pagan gods and left it open as a means to guide Muslims who pray.


Abraham and Ishmael
There was a period in time where Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundation and after doing to they made the following prayers



Jerusalem then Mecca
When Islam came, God directed the prophet to face Kaaba as a central place of worship. Early muslims used to face Jerusalem when they pray like the Jews.




Kaaba is not God

And a Muslim that worships Kaaba will go to hell!!! because it is not God but a mere symbol and it unifies Muslims across all countries, languages and tribes.



Kidsing the black stone
Kidsing the stone is NOT part of pilgrimage. There are many who have never kissed the stone will never kissed the stone and they have commited no sin and their pilgrimage is very valid.

You would know if you researched why? Umar(one of the Prophet's closest companion) once saw the prophet kissed the stone and he did and some people now do it.




Again, if you have chosen not to read the Qur'an or get basic Islamic knowledge. I will not waste time trying to teach you because you are not ready to learn. A man that shouts Allah means moon god in 2024 is irredeemable. If you have read the Qur'an, you won't be here lecturing me about Kaaba.

Another fun fact for you: every hour every day, there is one person in the world praying facing towards Mecca.

Quran isn't proof that the prophet learned monotheism. It is the biggest miracle to him from God.


Till date, no record of anyone accusing him of ever being a Jew , Christian, a student and a scholar. The learnerd population was very small. For someone to have come up with a book like the Qur'an he would have been learned, a genius and KNOWN. We would know. Catholic Fathers would know. Rabbis would know. They would have written about it because his life and death are very recent and we have records from back then .


And There are many things that are in the Qur'an never to be found into the bible.

I don't care if it is the only Qur'an that mentions it. The people of Arab traces their root to Ishmael before the prophet. Ishmael story isn't extensively Jews or children of Israel to tell. So I don't care.

Every time someone uses the word primitive. I realised how westernised they are. Garbage in garbage out. The western world and it's values have convinced you there is a way things should be. Guess what? They don't follow it with their interests at stake! They will murder and kill your entire family for greed. It is 2024 with no original thought. So no, I don't take my values from hypocrites. Anyways it is alien to my culture as a Muslim and a Yoruba woman.

Funny thing, no one called him primitive or barbaric then for his actions and inactions except genius of the 21st century like you . So maybe you are suffering from a 21st century I know better because I am civilised virus.

Call it idolatry, na your headache be that. All I know is that Dem never born any Muslim well to declare to worship Kaaba...na hell fire

UncleAyo:
The first Muslim was Muhammed. He invented the religion of Islam.

He was converted to Judaism where he first learnt about monotheism. This influenced his initially worshiped towards the the wall of Jerusalem, just like others who practice Judaism. Muhammed's father and fore fathers were paganists.

Abraham never worshipped in Kaaba, there is no other record anywhere apart the quran (whose authenticity is highly questionable). Abraham does not even know anything about Allah.

Nothing much has changed from the way pagans during muhammed's period (who worship idols) and Muslims today who worship Allah do the religion.

If there is a God who made the universe, his worship will not be limited to a small geographical area. In fact the Bedouin tribes are normads who travels away from Mecca and must face the direction of their gods whenever they are to pray.

The primitive and immoral lifestyle recorded for Muhammed cast doubt about the autheciticy of whoever he claim he recieve his revelation from to be a God.


Compulsory bowing towards a house no matter what you call it is idolatory (whether it is done by christian or muslims), kissing of black stone is idolatory, srmi-naked circumambulations around the Kaaba is idolatory. You can keep deceiving yourself but it is what it is.

@UncleAyo

I have you the reason why Kaaba is such a big deal. But no critical thinking about that just straight to another copy and paste talking point.

FYI:

Muslims that pray solat daily declare

"There is no god except one God " more than 6 times a day.

And as for the true believers when God declares something

They reply with 'we hear and we obey' so whether Kaaba makes sense or not to you, we don't worship Kaaba - one way ticket to hell in Islam. We hear and we obey with the ritual of it and that is about it.


Plus a significant portion of the Qur'an is filled with God demanding us to shun other gods except one God and worship him alone.

You would know this if you weren't lying about reading the Qur'an

So you can argue with yourself about the idolatry, na your headache be that. You will soon go and fight Jews for facing Jerusalem every time they pray too.

It is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the breasts that are blind.

When someone have chosen misguidance and arrogance, no one can save them.

doffman:
100 percent correct 👍 This is very clear for those that have working brain .

The idols were destroyed and removed , which Idols are they worshipping again . Nawa o .

Sterope:
It is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the breasts that are blind.

When someone have chosen misguidance and arrogance, no one can save them.

Exactly.

Never mind them . They want to force paganism into Islam with their mouth 😀. And no be by force to be a pagan .

One of them has already confessed to me that Jesus is his god after I drilled him hard . 😀 How can such person be taken serious .

As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe. Quran 2:7

I'm Back

Islamic god allah (allah, al-ilah, the god) was the principal, though not the only, deity of Makkah. The name is an ancient one. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minean found at al-'Ula and the other Sabean, but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century B.C. Lihyan, which evidently got the god from Syria, was the first center of the worship of this deity in Arabia. The name occurs as Hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam and also in a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic inscription found in umm-al-Jimal, Syria, and ascribed to the sixth century. The name of Muhammad's father was 'Abd-Allah ('Abdullah, the slave or worshiper of Allah). The esteem in which Allah was held by the pre-Islamic Makkans as the creator and supreme provider and the one to be invoked in time of special peril may be inferred from such Quranic passages as 31:24, 31; 6:137, 109; 10:23.



Hitti affirms that Allah was the Quraysh’s tribal deity. We also cited Ibn Kathir who agreed that Hubal was the chief god of Muhammad’s family

Ibn Ishaq stated, "It is claimed that when ‘Abd al-Muttalib received such opposition from Quraysh over the digging of zamzam, he vowed that if ten sons were born to him who grew up and protected him, he would sacrifice one of them for God at the ka‘ba."


HUBAL AND “SONS AND DAUGHTERS” OF ALLAH

Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an. The notable exception to this is Hubal, whom many consider to be a central figure in the Arabian hierarchy of gods. Why is Hubal, considering he was a prominent figure in the pantheon of gods and goddesses, not mentioned in the Qur'an? This question in itself has raised many more questions, causing many Orientalists to indulge themselves in unreserved speculations.

Allah was the title used within each tribe to address its tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol. Wellhausen suggested that apart from Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.



Abdu'l-Muttalib was Muhammad's grandfather, and Abdullah his father (Abd-allah = servant of Allah).

One of Abdu'l-Muttalib's sons was to be sacrificed to 'god at the Ka'ba'.

The god of the Ka'ba, as we already saw, was Hubal.

For circumcision, marriage, burial etc. people went to Hubal, the 'Lord of this house'.

Magic was used to determine Hubal's will (casting of arrows).

The boy Abdullah was brought to an idol to be sacrificed to 'him' (i.e. Hubal-Allah).

Abdu'l-Muttalib consulted a sorcerer who had a familiar spirit ('demon attending and obeying a witch'; Oxford Dictionary).

He gets an answer from the 'familiar spirit' through the witch.

He is to cast lots before Hubal 'until your lord is satisfied'. This lord can only be Hubal-Allah.


Important is not so much whom Muslims think they worship and submit to - but to whom they actually bow down

In the light of all this it is surely significant that we read of Muhammad in the Qur'an:


Surah 27:91
"For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (belong) all things ... ."

Hubal was the centre of worship in the Ka'ba in Mecca.

He was 'the Lord of this city', Mecca, and also called Allah.

While we must not conclude that Allah is Hubal, we may well consider spiritual implications when Muslims bow in worship towards the Ka'ba and submit to Allah.

It is one thing to say a thing. It is another to practice what you say. The discongruent is called hypocrisy.

While I'm not against paganism or idolatory, you need to ask yourself these questions:

Does your people bow towards a house when they pray? Do your people kiss a black stone as part of worship of Allah? Does your people circumambulate the Kaaba nakedly just the way it is been practice by the paganists? Does your people make special reverent to objects such as Mount Arafat, and Safa and Marwah in their worship of Allah?

All these are what the paganists do and what pains me most is the constant condemnation by muslims of our local indigenous people for practising our heritage (which is similar) because of these fake imported religion and practices.

doffman:
Exactly.

Never mind them . They want to force paganism into Islam with their mouth 😀. And no be by force to be a pagan .

One of them has already confessed to me that Jesus is his god after I drilled him hard . 😀 How can such person be taken serious .

As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe. Quran 2:7

AntiisIam:
I'm Back

Islamic god allah (allah, al-ilah, the god) was the principal, though not the only, deity of Makkah. The name is an ancient one. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minean found at al-'Ula and the other Sabean, but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century B.C. Lihyan, which evidently got the god from Syria, was the first center of the worship of this deity in Arabia. The name occurs as Hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam and also in a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic inscription found in umm-al-Jimal, Syria, and ascribed to the sixth century. The name of Muhammad's father was 'Abd-Allah ('Abdullah, the slave or worshiper of Allah). The esteem in which Allah was held by the pre-Islamic Makkans as the creator and supreme provider and the one to be invoked in time of special peril may be inferred from such Quranic passages as 31:24, 31; 6:137, 109; 10:23.



Hitti affirms that Allah was the Quraysh’s tribal deity. We also cited Ibn Kathir who agreed that Hubal was the chief god of Muhammad’s family

Ibn Ishaq stated, "It is claimed that when ‘Abd al-Muttalib received such opposition from Quraysh over the digging of zamzam, he vowed that if ten sons were born to him who grew up and protected him, he would sacrifice one of them for God at the ka‘ba."


HUBAL AND “SONS AND DAUGHTERS” OF ALLAH

Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an. The notable exception to this is Hubal, whom many consider to be a central figure in the Arabian hierarchy of gods. Why is Hubal, considering he was a prominent figure in the pantheon of gods and goddesses, not mentioned in the Qur'an? This question in itself has raised many more questions, causing many Orientalists to indulge themselves in unreserved speculations.

Allah was the title used within each tribe to address its tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol. Wellhausen suggested that apart from Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.



Abdu'l-Muttalib was Muhammad's grandfather, and Abdullah his father (Abd-allah = servant of Allah).

One of Abdu'l-Muttalib's sons was to be sacrificed to 'god at the Ka'ba'.

The god of the Ka'ba, as we already saw, was Hubal.

For circumcision, marriage, burial etc. people went to Hubal, the 'Lord of this house'.

Magic was used to determine Hubal's will (casting of arrows).

The boy Abdullah was brought to an idol to be sacrificed to 'him' (i.e. Hubal-Allah).

Abdu'l-Muttalib consulted a sorcerer who had a familiar spirit ('demon attending and obeying a witch'; Oxford Dictionary).

He gets an answer from the 'familiar spirit' through the witch.

He is to cast lots before Hubal 'until your lord is satisfied'. This lord can only be Hubal-Allah.


Important is not so much whom Muslims think they worship and submit to - but to whom they actually bow down

In the light of all this it is surely significant that we read of Muhammad in the Qur'an:


Surah 27:91
"For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (belong) all things ... ."

Hubal was the centre of worship in the Ka'ba in Mecca.

He was 'the Lord of this city', Mecca, and also called Allah.

While we must not conclude that Allah is Hubal, we may well consider spiritual implications when Muslims bow in worship towards the Ka'ba and submit to Allah.

You nailed it!

Sterope:
Quran isn't proof that the prophet learned monotheism. It is the biggest miracle to him from God.


Till date, no record of anyone accusing him of ever being a Jew , Christian, a student and a scholar. The learnerd population was very small. For someone to have come up with a book like the Qur'an he would have been learned, a genius and KNOWN. We would know. Catholic Fathers would know. Rabbis would know. They would have written about it because his life and death are very recent and we have records from back then .


And There are many things that are in the Qur'an never to be found into the bible.

I don't care if it is the only Qur'an that mentions it. The people of Arab traces their root to Ishmael before the prophet. Ishmael story isn't extensively Jews or children of Israel to tell. So I don't care.

Every time someone uses the word primitive. I realised how westernised they are. Garbage in garbage out. The western world and it's values have convinced you there is a way things should be. Guess what? They don't follow it with their interests at stake! They will murder and kill your entire family for greed. It is 2024 with no original thought. So no, I don't take my values from hypocrites. Anyways it is alien to my culture as a Muslim and a Yoruba woman.

Funny thing, no one called him primitive or barbaric then for his actions and inactions except genius of the 21st century like you . So maybe you are suffering from a 21st century I know better because I am civilised virus.

Call it idolatry, na your headache be that. All I know is that Dem never born any Muslim well to declare to worship Kaaba...na hell fire

But Arab Ped0phile Mohammad (who came after 600yrs AD) could plagiarize the Bible while distorting Jewish history and Jewish names? You dey craze.

The useless Quran even stated that Mary was the sister of Aaron. Humor me the more

As a matter of fact, the existence of Islam is disrespectful because Arab Ped0phile Mohammad had no right to distort the Jewish history and Jewish names, considering he's not Jewish/Jacob's descendant.

Added with Mohammad's championing atrocities such as Pedophlia, 72 virgin bullshit, jihad terrorism, Sex with corpses, camel urine drinking etc. Very useless religion as a matter of fact!

All these fake imported religions have destroyed the normal mental processes of a lot of our people.

If you are following any of the two religion, you should know for fact that:

There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no God (or god), there is no Allah, there are no angels, there are no demons, there are no spirits, there is no life after death, juju don't work, there is no eternal judgment, there is no karma, there was no historical Jesus. All those are figment of human imaginations and tools use by a very few some to control the very many others. The earlier you understand and accept these facts as facts, the happier and merrier your life and existence will be.

The religion you're currently claiming is the religion of your parents, if you were born into a different family of another religion (say Hinduism), that is the exact religion you will practice.

You were born without a religion in you, your factory reset has no religion in it. If you were to be a phone and they do factory reset on you today being a phone, there will not be anything found related to religion in your settings, files and file systems anymore; you learn religion only after your birth growing up.


Islam is idolatry and paganism, Christianity aswell is idolatry - All the world religion is idolatry, including all the Abrahamic religion. Holy communion is idolatory, bowing for a stone call Kaaba of the Bedouin tribes is also idolatory, killing of rams is idolatory, kissing or licking of a stone at mecca is idolatory, throwing of stone at pilgrimage is idolatory too.

Infact, Illah is what the Arabic call God and not Allah. Allah was one of the diety been worshiped before the invention of Islam. That is why muslims will say something like "la ilah ila huwa" meaning Allah is one Illah (God). Have you ask yourself why Prophet Mohammed's father who was an idol worshiper and who lived before the invention of islam has Allah in is name Abdullai== Abdu Allah? It is because Allah has been an idol worshiped by paganists before the Prophet received his revelations.

All Abrahamic religion are idolatory, they only package them well and condemn your heritage as evil, whereas, Nigeria was better in terms of morality, honesty and integrity before they brought the foreign religions.

In peace loving, emotional intelligence, love for neighbor, respect for sanctity of life, we are even better than those who brought those religion with primitive leaders whose morality and characters are highly questionable.

I deceived that slave to come down here and face his warrant. Good question he asked you there

You are calling someone a pagan whereas all you do in Islam are that of idols worshippers. You bow towards a house when you pray, you kiss the black stone of the shrine of kaaba as part of worshiping allah, you circumbulate the shrine of kaaba half naked just as the hindu paganism are doing, etc

IslamVIRGINS:
You nailed it!

I get more

Pick a Qur'an and read.

Better than being a copy and paste lazy bum

Dsimmer:
But Arab Ped0phile Mohammad (who came after 600yrs AD) could plagiarize the Bible while distorting Jewish history and Jewish names? You dey craze.

The useless Quran even stated that Mary was the sister of Aaron. Humor me the more

As a matter of fact, the existence of Islam is disrespectful because Arab Ped0phile Mohammad had no right to distort the Jewish history and Jewish names, considering he's not Jewish/Jacob's descendant.

Added with Mohammad's championing atrocities such as Pedophlia, 72 virgin bullshit, jihad terrorism, Sex with corpses, camel urine drinking etc. Very useless religion as a matter of fact!

UncleAyo:
It is one thing to say a thing. It is another to practice what you say. The discongruent is called hypocrisy.

While I'm not against paganism or idolatory, you need to ask yourself these questions:

Does your people bow towards a house when they pray? Do your people kiss a black stone as part of worship of Allah? Does your people circumambulate the Kaaba nakedly just the way it is been practice by the paganists? Does your people make special reverent to objects such as Mount Arafat, and Safa and Marwah in their worship of Allah?

All these are what the paganists do and what pains me most is the constant condemnation by muslims of our local indigenous people for practising our heritage (which is similar) because of these fake imported religion and practices.

When they bow toward a direction of Makkah , Does that mean they bow to idol .

Daniel also pray by facing Jerusalem.

Is Daniel also worshipping idol.

The notion is on you , bring evidence from Quran that Muslim bow to idols in Makkah .

You already knew all the idols were removed by the prophet , which idols do you return there which Muslims are worshipping ? Bring the proof ?

You love to hear the sound of your voice

Stop Yoruba Muslims and Christinas from using Olohun, Olodumare and Oluwa

Go and change the Arabic language, Arabic Quran and the Arabic Bible

Good day!

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You will soon tell God that Daniel is also an idol worshipper

You know the best part of this; you have a lot to say for people that don't pray thrice a day facing Jerusalem as instructed.

Want to know what the Jews call you? Pagans

Want to know what they call us? not pagans.

AntiisIam:
I deceived that slave to come down here and face his warrant. Good question he asked you there

You are calling someone a pagan whereas all you do in Islam are that of idols worshippers. You bow towards a house when you pray, you kiss the black stone of the shrine of kaaba as part of worshiping allah, you circumbulate the shrine of kaaba half naked just as the hindu paganism are doing, etc

SMH

Deliever yourself from this mental slavery. Islam is an imported religion. Don't die a victim. You're already a victim of a religion you did not actively choose. If you were born into Hinduism, this is the same way you will try to justify the religion.


Muhammed don't even know you. Arabs dont have any regard for the black.

doffman:
When they bow toward a direction of Makkah , Does that mean they bow to idol .

Daniel also pray by facing Jerusalem.

Is Daniel also worshipping idol.

The notion is on you , bring evidence from Quran that Muslim now to idols in Makkah .

You already knew all the idols were removed by the prophet , which idols do you return there which Muslims are worshipping ? Bring the proof ?

None of them has ever opened the Qur'an to study.

First, they hate Islam and Muslims
Second, they shop around to copy and paste what others say about Islam and Muslims. No fact checking or further studying. Garbage in, garbage out. They are not coming from a place of knowledge and sincerity. It is a waste. Please bow out

doffman:
When they bow toward a direction of Makkah , Does that mean they bow to idol .

Daniel also pray by facing Jerusalem.

Is Daniel also worshipping idol.

The notion is on you , bring evidence from Quran that Muslim now to idols in Makkah .

You already knew all the idols were removed by the prophet , which idols do you return there which Muslims are worshipping ? Bring the proof ?

Sterope:
Pick a Qur'an and read.

Better than being a copy and paste lazy bum

You mean the nonsense Quran which states that Mary was the brother of Aaron

Arab Ped0phile Mohammad dey mad.

As a matter of fact, the existence of Mohammad's Islam and its Quran is disrespectful! Arab ped0phile Mohammad had no right to distort Jewish's history and Jewish names, considering he's not Jewish/Jacob's descendant!

Coupled with him championing atrocities such as pedophilia, 72 virgins rubbish, jihad terrorism etc🙄

Since you want us to quote from the quran

Quran 33:37

وَإِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَٱلدَّارَ ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَـٰتِ مِنكُنَّ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًۭا ٢٩ يَـٰنِسَآءَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَـٰحِشَةٍۢ مُّبَيِّنَةٍۢ يُضَـٰعَفْ لَهَا ٱلْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ ۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرًۭا ٣٠

"So when Zaid had performed the necessary formality ( of divorce) from her, we (ie Allah) gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the later have performed the required formality ( of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled. (Al Hilali et al)"

The same Allah that formalised marriage between a father (Muhammed) and the wife of his son who is still alive can never be the Eledumare, God or Yaweh that other claim to worship.

Can you see how absurd and immoral the commandment of Allah sound?

Sterope:
None of them has ever opened the Qur'an to study.

First, they hate Islam and Muslims
Second, they shop around to copy and paste what others say about Islam and Muslims. No fact checking or further studying. Garbage in, garbage out. They are not coming from a place of knowledge and sincerity. It is a waste. Please bow out

This is the reason such thing as your friends cannot marry their friends divorced wives or husbands will be considered bullshit in Islam. .

Can my friend marry my exes? Yes and yes again. You don't own people unless God says otherwise

Again with righteous hypocritical western lenses

Zaid wasn't the prophet's son nor was he Khadijah's son

He used to be a Khadijah's slave (bought for her by her nephew) and was free and adopted into the family. He was also close in age to the prophet, I can't remember by how many years. He died as a martyr. May God be pleased with him.

In your wisdom, did you finish the verse:

...so that there would be no blame on the believers for marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons after their divorce

In Islam, adopted children are not blood. If I had an adopted brother, I could marry my adopted brother. This is the reason such thing as you friends cannot marry their friends divorced wives or husbands in Islam will be bullshit.


This is my last reply to you. You don't want to learn and you keep jumping back and forth between points


[quote UncleAyo post=133651244]Since you want us to quote from the quran

Quran 33:37

وَإِن كُنتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَٱلدَّارَ ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَـٰتِ مِنكُنَّ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًۭا ٢٩ يَـٰنِسَآءَ ٱلنَّبِىِّ مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَـٰحِشَةٍۢ مُّبَيِّنَةٍۢ يُضَـٰعَفْ لَهَا ٱلْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ ۚ وَكَانَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرًۭا ٣٠

"So when Zaid had performed the necessary formality ( of divorce) from her, we (ie Allah) gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the later have performed the required formality ( of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled. (Al Hilali et al)"

The same Allah that formalised marriage between a father (Muhammed) and the wife of his son who is still alive can never be the Eledumare, God or Yaweh that other claim to worship.[/quote]

Like I have told you, there are book written which are older than the quran and some of them teach morality better than it is in the quran.


The quran (although written by people like you and I) was praised to be Allah's inspiration, and we (are to) believe Allah should be wiser, know better and be ahead of us. Why does the quran contain a lot of primitive ideologies?

Sterope:
Quran isn't proof that the prophet learned monotheism. It is the biggest miracle to him from God.


Till date, no record of anyone accusing him of ever being a Jew , Christian, a student and a scholar. The learnerd population was very small. For someone to have come up with a book like the Qur'an he would have been learned, a genius and KNOWN. We would know. Catholic Fathers would know. Rabbis would know. They would have written about it because his life and death are very recent and we have records from back then .


And There are many things that are in the Qur'an never to be found into the bible.

I don't care if it is the only Qur'an that mentions it. The people of Arab traces their root to Ishmael before the prophet. Ishmael story isn't extensively Jews or children of Israel to tell. So I don't care.

Every time someone uses the word primitive. I realised how westernised they are. Garbage in garbage out. The western world and it's values have convinced you there is a way things should be. Guess what? They don't follow it with their interests at stake! They will murder and kill your entire family for greed. It is 2024 with no original thought. So no, I don't take my values from hypocrites. Anyways it is alien to my culture as a Muslim and a Yoruba woman.

Funny thing, no one called him primitive or barbaric then for his actions and inactions except genius of the 21st century like you . So maybe you are suffering from a 21st century I know better because I am civilised virus.

Call it idolatry, na your headache be that. All I know is that Dem never born any Muslim well to declare to worship Kaaba...na hell fire

AntiisIam:
I'm Back

Islamic god allah (allah, al-ilah, the god) was the principal, though not the only, deity of Makkah. The name is an ancient one. It occurs in two South Arabic inscriptions, one a Minean found at al-'Ula and the other Sabean, but abounds in the form HLH in the Lihyanite inscriptions of the fifth century B.C. Lihyan, which evidently got the god from Syria, was the first center of the worship of this deity in Arabia. The name occurs as Hallah in the Safa inscriptions five centuries before Islam and also in a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic inscription found in umm-al-Jimal, Syria, and ascribed to the sixth century. The name of Muhammad's father was 'Abd-Allah ('Abdullah, the slave or worshiper of Allah). The esteem in which Allah was held by the pre-Islamic Makkans as the creator and supreme provider and the one to be invoked in time of special peril may be inferred from such Quranic passages as 31:24, 31; 6:137, 109; 10:23.



Hitti affirms that Allah was the Quraysh’s tribal deity. We also cited Ibn Kathir who agreed that Hubal was the chief god of Muhammad’s family

Ibn Ishaq stated, "It is claimed that when ‘Abd al-Muttalib received such opposition from Quraysh over the digging of zamzam, he vowed that if ten sons were born to him who grew up and protected him, he would sacrifice one of them for God at the ka‘ba."


HUBAL AND “SONS AND DAUGHTERS” OF ALLAH

Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an. The notable exception to this is Hubal, whom many consider to be a central figure in the Arabian hierarchy of gods. Why is Hubal, considering he was a prominent figure in the pantheon of gods and goddesses, not mentioned in the Qur'an? This question in itself has raised many more questions, causing many Orientalists to indulge themselves in unreserved speculations.

Allah was the title used within each tribe to address its tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol. Wellhausen suggested that apart from Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.



Abdu'l-Muttalib was Muhammad's grandfather, and Abdullah his father (Abd-allah = servant of Allah).

One of Abdu'l-Muttalib's sons was to be sacrificed to 'god at the Ka'ba'.

The god of the Ka'ba, as we already saw, was Hubal.

For circumcision, marriage, burial etc. people went to Hubal, the 'Lord of this house'.

Magic was used to determine Hubal's will (casting of arrows).

The boy Abdullah was brought to an idol to be sacrificed to 'him' (i.e. Hubal-Allah).

Abdu'l-Muttalib consulted a sorcerer who had a familiar spirit ('demon attending and obeying a witch'; Oxford Dictionary).

He gets an answer from the 'familiar spirit' through the witch.

He is to cast lots before Hubal 'until your lord is satisfied'. This lord can only be Hubal-Allah.


Important is not so much whom Muslims think they worship and submit to - but to whom they actually bow down

In the light of all this it is surely significant that we read of Muhammad in the Qur'an:


Surah 27:91
"For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to whom (belong) all things ... ."

Hubal was the centre of worship in the Ka'ba in Mecca.

He was 'the Lord of this city', Mecca, and also called Allah.

While we must not conclude that Allah is Hubal, we may well consider spiritual implications when Muslims bow in worship towards the Ka'ba and submit to Allah.

The copycat pagan has copied what he did not understand . 😀

Just see the way I will finish you now 😀

Firstly who is Allah ?

Say, O Prophet, “He is Allah—One and Indivisible;

Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all

He has never had offspring, nor was He born.

And there is none comparable to Him. Quran 112:1 to 4

More : Quran 40 : 61 to 66

It is Allah Who has made the night for you to rest in and the day bright. Surely Allah is ever Bountiful to humanity, but most people are ungrateful.

That is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no god worthy of worship˺ except Him. How can you then be deluded ˹from the truth˺?


It is Allah Who made the earth a place of settlement for you and the sky a canopy. He shaped you ˹in the womb˺, perfecting your form. And He has provided you with what is good and lawful. That is Allah—your Lord. So Blessed is Allah, Lord of all worlds.

He is the Ever-Living. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. So call upon Him with sincere devotion, ˹saying,˺ “All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds.”

Say, O Prophet, “I have been forbidden to worship those ˹idols˺ you worship besides Allah, since clear proofs have come to me from my Lord. And I have been commanded to ˹fully˺ submit to the Lord of all worlds.”



That is Allah (GOD) ; undisputed the he is not an idol.
and there is no confusion that Allah is the greatest who created everyone ( even if you did not believe in him , it is your problem and we can not help you with that )



Now same Allah instructed Abaraham to build the kaabah :

And remember when We assigned to Abraham the site of the House, saying, “Do not associate anything with Me in worship˺ and purify My House for those who circle ˹the Ka’bah˺, stand in prayer, and bow and prostrate themselves. Quran 22:26


And same Allah instructed Muslim to face the direction of Makkah as a Qibla ( direction) :

We see the turning of your face (for guidance) to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall thee. Turn then your face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever you are, turn your faces in that direction…” (Al Qur’an 2:144)

Same Allah confirm the Makkah as a sacred house for prostration and praying

And remember when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people ˹saying, “You may take the standing-place of Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves in prayer. Quran 2:125

And the good thing and which is also the sadness of you pagan is that the Abraham and his son also pray there 😀:

And remember when Abraham raised the foundation of the House with Ishmael, both praying, “Our Lord! Accept ˹this˺ from us. You are indeed the All-Hearing, All-Knowing. Quran 2: 127



Having said that , let move to the Quranic verse the chief pagan of the Nairaland aka antIslam quoted 😀:

Surah 27:91

Say, O Prophet, “I have only been commanded to worship the Lord of this city ˹of Mecca˺, Who has made it sacred, and to Him belongs everything. And I am commanded to be one of those who ˹fully˺ submit ˹to Him˺,

As you can see the lord of the city of Makka who made it sacred 😀.

Who is that lord ? Same Allah in the verse below :
And remember when We made the Sacred House a centre and a sanctuary for the people ˹saying, “You may take the standing-place of Abraham as a site of prayer.” And We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify My House for those who circle it, who meditate in it, and who bow and prostrate themselves in prayer. Quran 2:125



As you can see from all the Quranic verses , Allah is the God of Makkah ; that is undisputed ( if you did not believe that , with the already evidences , it is not compulsory and it is your own problem ; and we did not owed you any help . Na you chose to be a pagan .


Also . We already knew that all the idols were removed when the prophet came back to Makkah .

Say, O Prophet, “I have been forbidden to worship those ˹idols˺ you worship besides Allah, since clear proofs have come to me from my Lord. And I have been commanded to ˹fully˺ submit to the Lord of all worlds.”

That is the reason why all the idols were removed .

This is one of the proof that Islam will never tolerate any paganism . Read 😀 :



From all the evidences above there is know any gods or idol called Hubal mentioned in Quran that simulates Allah in features and qualities .

The challenge

The question now are😀 :

1 If you claimed or believe that name of god or God of Makkah is Hubal and not Allah , provide the verse from the Quran mention such idol name as I provided evidences of Allah as God who was mentioned in the Quran as the God of Makkah ?

2. Since we all know that all the idols were already destroyed and removed by the prophet in the Makkah , show us the idols that were there now and who put it there ?

N.b : it is not a compulsory to belief that Muslim do not worship idols as some people worship different gods .

What can not happen is to force paganism to Islam . We rejected and will never partake in it .

Every pagan will end in hell fire 🔥 if such person die insuch path.

Lols, see what you're writing as an adult. I already told you at the start that I'm not interested in an argument with you.


Now, go and eat better amala, ewedu and gbegiri with any good meat. Wash it down with chilled water. That is what your forefathers have given you as part of your inheritance.



Qur'an, Surah Ibrahim (14:4):

"And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them. And Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."

Muhammed speak Arabic, you speak Yoruba. He is not a messenger sent to you so why must you disturb yourself about what is fake and foreign?

Sterope:
Zaid wasn't the prophet's son nor was he Khadijah's son

He used to be a Khadijah's slave (bought for her by her nephew) and was free and adopted into the family. He was also close in age to the prophet, I can't remember by how many years. He died as a martyr. May God be pleased with him.

In Islam, adopted children are not blood. If I had an adopted brother, I could marry my adopted brother.

This is my last reply to you. You don't want to learn and you keep jumping back and forth.