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Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

You have to understand that the jews generally understand the father to be God but however John 1:1 is linking Jesus to the father, by the declaring the the word is God John is saying hat the word is of the same being with the one who is God but distinct from him in person hence he is God as to his being but with God as per his pershood.

Steep:
You have to understand that the jews generally understand the father to be God but however John 1:1 is linking Jesus to the father, by the declaring the the word is God John is saying hat the word is of the same being with the one who is God but distinct from him in person hence he is God as to his being but with God as per his pershood.

John 1:1 does not mention father or son which signifies personhood according to your explanation.
Simple question.
Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Is John 1:1 talking about two Gods or One and the same God?

Truthseeker10:
Madam or Oga,You say God(water) is a spirit and that same God(water) was on earth and people saw him as Jesus(steam)....How can you now say that God(water) is invisible when people actually saw Jesus(steam) on earth? Or was it a different and seperate God(water) that came to earth as Jesus(steam)?

You said earlier that the only invisible God(water) is the Father(liquid)....Are you agreeing now that you were wrong for saying that?

Madam or Oga, you're now talking in circles knowing full well the discussion is over.

See what I said about the Holy Spirit below. I even put it in capitals and you still missed it!

Seeing God directly is different from seeing God as manifested in something else.

Any more dumb questions?

Truthseeker10:
John 1:1 does not mention father or son which signifies personhood according to your explanation.
Simple question.
Is Jesus the same God that John 1:1 says that he was with?

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Is John 1:1 talking about two Gods or One and the same God?

The word was with God shows there are two persons, The word was God shows that the word is of same being with the one he is with.

Steep:
The word ess with God shows there are two persons, The word was God shows that the word is of same being with the one he is with.

The word, was with God Does not show two persons according to your explanation. You are lying.

John 1:1 does not use personhood(father and son). It uses the word God(being) and 'WORD' according to your explanation.

So is the first God(being) that the WORD was with the same as the 'WORD that was God(being)'?

DaddyCoool:
Madam or Oga, you're now talking in circles knowing full well the discussion is over.

See what I said about the Holy Spirit below. I even put it in capitals and you still missed it!

Seeing God directly is different from seeing God as manifested in something else.

Any more dumb questions?

Below in the screenshot is your statement in 3D.

Has the father(liquid) and the Holy Spirit(block) ever been seen directly? If no, why did you say that there is only one invisible God(father) as shown in the screenshot below?

You say God(water) is a spirit and that same God(water) was on earth and people saw him as Jesus(steam)....How can you now say that God(water) is invisible when people actually saw Jesus(steam) on earth? Or was it a different and seperate God(water) that came to earth as Jesus(steam)?

Truthseeker10:
Below in the screenshot is your statement in 3D.

Has the father(liquid) and the Holy Spirit(block) ever been seen directly? If no, why did you say that there is only one invisible God(father) as shown in the screenshot below?

You say God(water) is a spirit and that same God(water) was on earth and people saw him as Jesus(steam)....How can you now say that God(water) is invisible when people actually saw Jesus(steam) on earth? Or was it a different and seperate God(water) that came to earth as Jesus(steam)?

😅 Amazing how you've gotten yourself all mixed up with all this water and ice stuff. That's why I almost didn't use that analogy. You can also think of it in terms of Sun and heat and sunrays! Maybe you'd be less confused.

Once again, both the Son and Holy Spirit are manifestations of God (the Father) and are of course visible when manifested, but always return to the Father and again become invisible to humans. Only the Father stays DIRECTLY invisible EXCEPTas seen in manifestations of the Son and Spirit.
That ought be simple enough.
Any more dumb questions?


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DaddyCoool:
😅 Amazing how you've gotten yourself all mixed up with all this water and ice stuff. That's why I almost didn't use that analogy. You can also think of it in terms of Sun and heat and sunrays! Maybe you'd be less confused.

Once again, both the Son and Holy Spirit are manifestations of God (the Father) and are of course visible when manifested, but always return to the Father and again become invisible to humans. Only the Father stays DIRECTLY invisible EXCEPTas seen in manifestations of the Son and Spirit.
That ought be simple enough.
Any more dumb questions?


(INTERCHANGEABLY!! Have that word memorized!)

Has the Holy Spirit(block) ever manifested directly before just like Jesus(steam)? If yes, quote the verse in the bible.

Are you telling us now again that the manifestation of the holy spirit(block) as dove was actually people indirectly seeing the Father(liquid)? Was it not the holy spirit(block) that was manifesting indirectly through the dove again as you earlier claimed?

So the word God(water) is only used interchangeably to refer to Father(liquid), no longer son(steam) and holy spirit(block)? Na wa for these Trinitarians oo

In your sun heat and rays analogy, kindly tell us what is God, Father, son and holy spirit.

Truthseeker10:
Has the Holy Spirit(block) ever manifested directly before just like Jesus(steam)? If yes, quote the verse in the bible.

Are you telling us now again that the manifestation of the holy spirit(block) as dove was actually people indirectly seeing the Father(liquid)? Was it not the holy spirit(block) that was manifesting indirectly through the dove again as you earlier claimed?
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So the word God(water) is only used interchangeably to refer to Father(liquid), no longer son(steam) and holy spirit(block)? Na wa for these Trinitarians oo

In your sun heat and rays analogy, kindly tell us what is God, Father, son and holy spirit.

You keep saying "Trinitarian", whatever that means . I don't even think I'm a "Trinitarian"!

EVERY manifestation is indirectly seeing the Father, genius... and the Son, and the Spirit!
I'm sure you already instinctively know that!

THEY ARE ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE SAME ONE GOD!!!
In the sun analogy the ray that hits the earth is the Son, heat is the Spirit, and the Sun itself is the Father.

Stop confusing yourself and find something better to do with your time!

DaddyCoool:
You keep saying "Trinitarian", whatever that means . I don't even think I'm a "Trinitarian"!

EVERY manifestation is indirectly seeing the Father, genius... and the Son, and the Spirit!
I'm sure you already instinctively know that!

THEY ARE ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF THE SAME ONE GOD!!!
In the sun analogy the ray that hits the earth is the Son, heat is the Spirit, and the Sun itself is the Father.

Stop confusing yourself and find something better to do with your time!

Is it the Father that manifested as a dove or it was the holy spirit that manifested as a dove according to your earlier explanation?

Sun is the 'father', Ray is the 'Son', heat is the 'holy spirit'. Then what is 'God' that the three personhood connects to?

Truthseeker10:
The word, was with God Does not show two persons according to your explanation. You are lying.

That is because you are ignorant of the Greek words used. The word translated as "with" literally means to be face to face, it is used to describe the position of one person in relation to another.

John 1:1 does not use personhood(father and son). It uses the word God(being) and 'WORD' according to your explanation.

The structure of the text dictates it.
First the word was with The God secondly the word was God.

So is the first God(being) that the WORD was with the same as the 'WORD that was God(being)'?

you are confusing yourself, there is a difference between being and person. The word is God by his nature but with The God as to his position of his person.

Steep:
The structure of the text dictates it.
First the word was with The God secondly the word was God.

So Is THE GOD and GOD according to the text the same God or different God?

you are confusing yourself, there is a difference between being and person. The word is God by his nature but with The God as to his position of his person.

So is GOD nature one and the same with THE GOD nature? If yes, Explain John 1:18 use of the Word GOD.

Truthseeker10:
Is it the Father that manifested as a dove or it was the holy spirit that manifested as a dove according to your earlier explanation?

Sun is the 'father', Ray is the 'Son', heat is the 'holy spirit'. Then what is 'God' that the three personhood connects to?

Another rather dumb question. It is like asking if your hand is you. You instinctively know the obvious answer.

Sun is both the father and God

DaddyCoool:
1)Another rather dumb question. It is like asking if your hand is you. You instinctively know the obvious answer.

2)Sun is both the father and God

1)So Holy Spirit(heat) is now the hand of Father(Sun) no longer God(Sun) The Holy Spirit(Heat).

2)So heat is not both Holy spirit(Heat) and God(Sun), Ray is also not both Son(Ray) and God(Sun)?

Steep:
So was Jesus a human in heaven or he was God?
When did he become a human? Before he becam human what was he?
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John.1.4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John.1.5 The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
John.1.6 God sent John the Baptist
John.1.7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.

John.9.5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John.1.2 He was in the beginning with God.

Gen.1.3 - Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen.1.4 - And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness.


John.1.14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John.3.19 Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.


And the light he called day, Gen 1.5
Mal.4.5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

That Day has come and He will come again.

DaddyCoool:
It's amazing what PRIDE can do. You know full well this argument is over, this is just pride talking.

Unless you invent your own English, God couldn't have had a son with him at creation without having, or having had, a third person (mother) - unless "son" in this case means an extention of himself!

If you could differentiate between pride and zeal, you would be considered wise having wisdom from God and realize where you fall, repent and be restored.

But in my zeal I have shown the knowledge of God, for God's children to hear believe and be steadfast in God's word that was given to them. Though you call it pride, but I am zealous for God's house and word.

Steep:
You have to understand that the jews generally understand the father to be God but however John 1:1 is linking Jesus to the father, by the declaring the the word is God John is saying hat the word is of the same being with the one who is God but distinct from him in person hence he is God as to his being but with God as per his pershood.

When agents of darkness listen to God's word so as to readjust their lies, it's amazing how instead of repeating they bury themselves deeper into their deception. What is coming out of you just defiles you continually

I see you have changed it from WAS God to is God

Truthseeker10:
1)So Holy Spirit(heat) is now the hand of Father(Sun) no longer God(Sun) The Holy Spirit(Heat).

2)So heat is not both Holy spirit(Heat) and God(Sun), Ray is also not both Son(Ray) and God(Sun)?

Oga, your hand is BOTH you and your hand! Do I have to spell everything out to you?!

Sunlight is sunlight AND the sun. So also heat - "the sun melted my tent" actually means "heat of the sun..." - heat of the sun is also the sun!
It is an intertwined situation that's also separate.

BTW sun and water are just approximate analogies

Steep:
The word was with God shows there are two persons, The word was God shows that the word is of same being with the one he is with.

so as we are with the Holy Spirit and fellowship with him, we are of the same bein with the Holy Spirit we are with.

And according to your believe Holy Spirit is God, so we are ?

gohf:
If you could differentiate between pride and zeal, you would be considered wise having wisdom from God and realize where you fall, repent and be restored.

But in my zeal I have shown the knowledge of God, for God's children to hear believe and be steadfast in God's word that was given to them. Though you call it pride, but I am zealous for God's house and word.

Whatever...
As long as you have accepted that Son of God is God

DaddyCoool:
Oga, your hand is BOTH you and your hand! Do I have to spell everything out to you?!

Sunlight is sunlight AND the sun. So also heat - "the sun melted my tent" actually means "heat of the sun..." - heat of the sun is also the sun!
It is an intertwined situation that's also separate.

BTW sun and water are just approximate analogies

So according to your explanation above, we can say that God is Sun, Father(Sun) is Sun, Son(Ray) is Sun and holy spirit(heat) is Sun.

So how can one say that he has not seen Sun even when he sees Ray(Sun)? Please explain oo.

How can Sun, heat and Ray be Sun And seperate?Explain.

Truthseeker10:
So according to your explanation above, we can say that God is Sun, Father(Sun) is Sun, Son(Ray) is Sun and holy spirit(heat) is Sun.

So how can one say that he has not seen Sun even when he sees Ray(Sun)? Please explain oo.

How can Sun, heat and Ray be Sun And seperate?Explain.

More dumb questions. You no dey tire?

Don't we refer to all three as "the sun". Assuming the sun itself is invisible won't seeing sunlight mean you've seen the sun? Yet you haven't directly seen the Sun!

Aren't all three (Sun, sunlight, heat) the sun yet seperate??

DaddyCoool:
More dumb questions. You no dey tire?

Don't we refer to all three as "the sun". Assuming the sun itself is invisible won't seeing sunlight mean you've seen the sun? Yet you haven't directly seen the Sun!

Aren't all three (Sun, sunlight, heat) the sun yet seperate??

Ah🤣🤣🤣.....so John 1:18 says that we have not seen the Sun(GOD) directly Even when we are seeing The Sun(Jesus) that is the same as Sun(GOD) directly? Na wa for you oo.

Sun, sunlight and heat are the same Sun(GOD) and are seperate? How na?🤣🤣🤣

gohf:
🫡 you have driven nachmonides away with the truth and now the same may happen to steep 😂

Good day Gohf, how are you?

Haha.

Not so, you and TruthSeeker's questions have been based on the disagreement of what John 1:1-14 says, how that the Word became flesh, and John letting us know that the Word that became flesh is Jesus, and we know from scriptures Jesus is not the Father.

You both need to come to terms with that scripture first, realise the gravity of that scripture.

Your questions/observation have been in denial of John 1:1-14

I just decided to entertain questions for the sake of it, even though the foundation was faulty.

Nachmonides:
Good day Gohf, how are you?

Haha.

Not so, you and TruthSeeker's questions have been based on the disagreement of what John 1:1-14 says, how that the Word became flesh, and John letting us know that the Word that became flesh is Jesus, and we know from scriptures Jesus is not the Father.

You both need to come to terms with that scripture first, realise the gravity of that scripture.

Your questions/observation have been in denial of John 1:1-14

I just decided to entertain questions for the sake of it, even though the foundation was faulty.

🤣🤣🤣see funny man. You said essence is God, person is father, son and holy spirit which are connected to one essence(God).
John 1:18 says no one has seen God(essence) not Father(person). So why are you trying to seperate Jesus(person) from essence(God) that no one has seen?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣see funny man. You said essence is God, person is father, son and holy spirit which are connected to one essence(God).
John 1:18 says no one has seen God(essence) not Father(person). So why are you trying to seperate Jesus(person) from essence(God) that no one has seen?

Like I said, I only entertained questions for the sake of it. I can answer all of your questions, using scriptures.

However, I want to ask, what is your understanding of John 1:1-14, concerning Jesus, the Word?

This foundation should be settled before any further discussion.

Nachmonides:
Like I said, I only entertained questions for the sake of it. I can answer all of your questions, using scriptures.

However, I want to ask, what is your understanding of John 1:1-14, concerning Jesus, the Word?

This foundation should be settled before any further discussion.

Oga explain your John 1:1-14. Go straight to the point without contradiction.

Truthseeker10:
Oga explain your John 1:1-14. Go straight to the point without contradiction.

You can read, read it and tell me what you understand.

I want to know your conclusion based on what you have read.

Nachmonides:
You can read, read it and tell me what you understand.

I want to know your conclusion based on what you have read.

Just rest if you would not explain. Bye bye.

Truthseeker10:
Just rest if you would not explain. Bye bye.

Alright, have a good day.

Truthseeker10:
Ah🤣🤣🤣.....so John 1:18 says that we have not seen the Sun(GOD) directly Even when we are seeing The Sun(Jesus) that is the same as Sun(GOD) directly? Na wa for you oo.

Sun, sunlight and heat are the same Sun(GOD) and are seperate? How na?🤣🤣🤣

I don't know what you find so funny.
You are asking DUMB questions simply because you refuse to know what already instinctively KNOW. Instead you're being semantic.

Bottom line: God is Spirit. YOU CAN'T SEE GOD! You can only see a manifestation of him as Jesus or as a dove or fire (Holy Spirit)

Sunlight, heat, Sun itself combine to make up the sun, yet they're all separate.

Now enough with the dumb questions

DaddyCoool:
I don't know what you find so funny.
You are asking DUMB questions simply because you refuse to know what already instinctively KNOW. Instead you're being semantic.

Bottom line: God is Spirit. YOU CAN'T SEE GOD! You can only see a manifestation of him as Jesus or as a dove or fire (Holy Spirit)

Sunlight, heat, Sun itself combine to make up the sun, yet they're all separate.

Now enough with the dumb questions

I can't see God(sun) but you said that Jesus(sunlight) is one and the same as God(Sun) and people saw him. Why are you so confused like this na?


Ah🤣🤣🤣 how can sunlight(Son), heat(holy spirit), sun itself(father) be Sun(God) and combine to be the same one Sun(God) and still be seperate Sun(God) oo? Explain.