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DaddyCoool:
Genius, I dif not draw that. I found it on the web

It shows how dull you are.

gohf:
You that think you can't answer simple question

"is the light the sun, or the heat the sun?" Yes or No

Have you been following at all? I already said that's the flaw in that analogy

Meaning Nachmonides is running and hiding like I said he has been doing, using John 1 as excuse.

But where would the blind run to, pardon

Nachmonides:
Thank you for your detailed response.


I have some observations and questions I'd like for you to address if you will:



+ "Jesus WAS God but not the Supreme Being":

John 1:1 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." How does this align with the claim that Jesus was not the Supreme Being but only performed as God?

In John 20:28, Thomas explicitly calls Jesus "My Lord and my God," and Jesus does not correct him. If Jesus is not God in the fullest sense, why does He accept this declaration?

Philippians 2:6-7 explains that Jesus, "being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage." How does this passage fit the claim that Jesus cannot claim the title of Supreme Being?


+ "Jesus does not know the hour (Matthew 24:36)" :

This is often cited to argue that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. However, Colossians 2:9 declares, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." How does this square with the assertion that Jesus lacks divine attributes like omniscience?

Is Jesus’ statement about not knowing the hour reflective of His human limitations during His earthly ministry (Philippians 2:7), rather than His divine essence?


+ "Jesus is the Archangel Michael":

Hebrews 1:5-6: "For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? Or again, 'I will be his Father, and he will be my Son'?" How can Jesus be Michael when the writer of Hebrews explicitly states that Jesus is superior to all angels?

Revelation 19:13 describes Jesus as "The Word of God" leading the heavenly armies, but nowhere does it equate Him with Michael. Why is this association made when the text separates Jesus from angelic beings?


+ "Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7-12 link Michael to Jesus" :

Daniel 12:1 refers to Michael as "the great prince who protects your people." While Michael has a specific role, where in Scripture does it explicitly state that Michael is the same as Jesus?

Revelation 12:7-12 describes Michael leading angels in a heavenly battle, but this passage never attributes Michael’s actions to Jesus. Why should these roles be conflated when Revelation consistently identifies Jesus by titles like "The Lamb" or "The Word"?

John 5:28-29 says Jesus will raise the dead, but it never mentions Michael. Why is Michael credited with this role instead of Jesus?


+ First-Century Christian Beliefs About Jesus:

John 10:30: Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." How does this align with the claim that first-century Christians were confused about His identity?

Acts 7:59: Stephen prays to Jesus, saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Would a devout Jew pray to anyone other than God?

This is the reason why Jesus said we will learn by bits not just one day. John 16:12-13

You surely have do many questions and they are all genuinely from your heart but can you do me a favour by asking one by one?
Preferably the one that matters most to you!

DaddyCoool:
Have you been following at all? I already said that's the flaw in that analogy

you believe a flaw and a lie and you know it is false, so you cant even claim ignorant and yet you reject the truth.

Truthseeker10:
Madam go and sleep. I've proven that You've failed in all your analogies and concepts. Bye bye.

You asked some very dumb and repetitive questions but at least you learnt something.😃
Go and sleep? You must be in Asia. It is only 3pm here!
Ciao!

gohf:
Father God = sun
The Christ = light

You believe Christ is God
So, is light the sun?

See my previous post. Infact here it is:

Have you been following at all? I already said that's the flaw in that analogy

Truthseeker10:
It shows how dull you are.

You found yours on the web too, genius!

DaddyCoool:
You asked some very dumb and repetitive questions but at least you learnt something.😃
Go and sleep? You must be in Asia. It is only 3pm here!
Ciao!

You only taught pure gibberish concepts and flawed analogies.
Better desist from speaking about the bible by spreading confusion.

gohf:
and many false christs will arise

could you please tell us why you accepted to become a false Christ?

Where did i ever claim or say I'm the Christ to become a false Christ to begin with?

DaddyCoool:
You found yours on the web too, genius!

From your fellow flawed trinity members.

Truthseeker10:
Explain John 1:18. Who is the 'God' that no one has seen?

God the father or "Jehovah"

SonofElohim1379:
Where did i ever claim or say I'm the Christ to become a false Christ to begin with?

you are falsely representing Christ by claiming he is a god.

gohf:
you believe a flaw and a lie and you know it is false, so you cant even claim ignorant and yet you reject the truth.

This is something you instinctively know is true but can't express.
You've already been asked what "Son" is if not God as God doesn't go about having sons

gohf:
@ Nachmonides aka Mr.Essence

If truly you understood the doctrine of Trinity, you would know it opposes the idea of God splitting, changing, and evolving.

The doctrine of Trinity explicitly states that God is one being in essence, but exists in three persons. This does not imply that God "split" into three separate entities.

Even the council of Nicaea folks like to reference doesn't say anything contrary.
Please go and learn about the doctrine of Trinity, before arguing against it. I'm not here to lecture you on it.

I'm here to talk with someone who understands it and yet opposes it.

SonofElohim1379:
God the father or "Jehovah"

So between Jesus and Jehovah, who is the Almighty God?

DaddyCoool:
See my previous post. Infact here it is:

Have you been following at all? I already said that's the flaw in that analogy

The question remains

Is light the sun? Yes or no, I didn't expect you to answer the first few times and neither have I seen you as wise so you can ignore the question again. It is expected from you.

MaxInDHouse:
This is the reason why Jesus said we will learn by bits not just one day. John 16:12-13

You surely have do many questions and they are all genuinely from your heart but can you do me a favour by asking one by one?
Preferably the one that matters most to you!

Alright, thank you, let's start with this:

If Jesus is the Archangel Michael, how does that align with Hebrews 1:5-6, which explicitly states that Jesus is superior to all angels and is uniquely called the Son of God?

gohf:
you are falsely representing Christ by claiming he is a god.

Christ was fully Glorified as God by the Father after completing his works on earth.

At the mention of the name "Yeshua" all knees must bow, in heaven, on earth and below the earth and proclaim that "Yeshua" is God to the Glory of God the Father


Any more questions?

Truthseeker10:
So between Jesus and Jehovah, who is the Almighty God?

Triune

God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Truthseeker10:
You only taught pure gibberish concepts and flawed analogies.
Better desist from speaking about the bible by spreading confusion.

You were taught to ask what "Son" is if not God as God doesn't go about having sons - something you actually instinctively know is true. Does God have son? Why have only one and who is the mother??

DaddyCoool:
You were taught to ask what "Son" is if not God as God doesn't go about having sons - something you actually instinctively know is true. Does God have son? Why have only one and who is the mother??

Madam.....get lost. Go and get your imaginary concept and flawed analogies right first.

SonofElohim1379:
Triune

God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Explain John 14:28.

Truthseeker10:
From your fellow flawed trinity members.

You still found it on web and how do you know am Trinity

DaddyCoool:
You still found it on web and how do you know am Trinity

Madam get lost.

gohf:
The question remains

Is light the sun? Yes or no, I didn't expect you to answer the first few times and neither have I seen you as wise so you can ignore the question again. It is expected from you.

NO, genius! Of course light is not the sun. I pointed that out long ago as the flaw in the analogy, saying there are nuclear reactions in the sun!

Nachmonides:
If truly you understood the doctrine of Trinity, you would know it opposes the idea of God splitting, changing, and evolving.

The doctrine of Trinity explicitly states that God is one being in essence, but exists in three persons. This does not imply that God "split" into three separate entities.

Even the council of Nicaea folks like to reference doesn't say anything contrary.
Please go and learn about the doctrine of Trinity, before arguing against it. I'm not here to lecture you on it.

I'm here to talk with someone who understands it and yet opposes it.

so is God now one or is He three

If you say God is both one and three, then in what realm does he exist as one and in what realm does he exist as three

If you say in the same realm, then doesn't that count has four, God who is one and God who is three

Now if you say it is Godhood or Godship, it means there is no God but a title shared by three entities, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The question now is how did they attain the title since you say it is just one title, God?


Guy the reason you also run as nothing to do with my understanding that rubbish and nonsense called trinity, but your reaction as darkness to light, as the blind to God's revelation and to a wisdom you cannot gainsay on.

You want to ignore that you believe of John 1:1 that the word was God and John 1:14 the word became flesh. Means God became flesh, so did he lose his godhood so as to die but then, he doesn't change but you believe he did... meaning he is a false god, a lying one you believe in.

Those questions I asked above you will ignore and run as usually but it's okay.

Truthseeker10:
Explain John 14:28.

After his Death, burial, resurrection and ultimately his Glorification, they became one

If you notice, that verse was before his Death!

Nachmonides:
Alright, thank you, let's start with this:
If Jesus is the Archangel Michael, how does that align with Hebrews 1:5-6, which explicitly states that Jesus is superior to all angels and is uniquely called the Son of God?

Please whenever you are reading Paul's letter try to have his audience in mind.
The letter you quoted was written to the Christians who are Hebrews by birth, this people use to pray using the names of different angels that's why they have what is called the 6th and 7th book of Moses in which names of angels are written apart from the only two names found in the Bible e.g Michael and Gabriel.
So what Paul meant is that they shouldn't pray to God using the names of angels since God never introduced any to them as His son the way He introduced Jesus {Matthew 17:5} that doesn't mean angels are not God's sons {Job 38:7} neither does it mean Jesus is not one of them!

DaddyCoool:
NO, genius! Of course light is not the sun. I pointed that out long ago as the flaw in the analogy, saying there are nuclear reactions in the sun!

now you have no analogy even in creation that shows it's agrees with such because it's a lie even nature denies yet you go against nature to believe it, why?

I want to know why you believe the trinity and Jesus is God?
Because honestly unlike the rest you are horrible as defending that nonsense so there must be another reason.

SonofElohim1379:
After his Death, burial, resurrection and ultimately his Glorification, they became one

If you notice, that verse was before his Death!

So Jesus on earth was not the Almighty God? Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
Madam.....get lost. Go and get your imaginary concept and flawed analogies right first.

Just use your God-given thought process. If you do you'd realize "Son of God" can only mean extention of God, God!