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DeepSight:
Tell me more and I will tell you more.

This thing I am saying is not a joke. It's very real.

I didn't ask you any private question, I only asked your views on meditation and if you possibly engage in it. Are there factors that you think or know that can heighten or retrogress spiritual gifts?

What do you want to know about me or my gifts?

justlove91:
Having studied hundreds of messages purported to have been communicated by "dead" people through mediums, describing their environments, I've come to believe that physicality is a matter of where one is looking from.

1. They say they inhabit a physical world that is as solid and physical as here on earth. Their houses are solid and they cannot pass through it just as we can't walk through our houses.
2. When they visit the earth plane (here), our houses and other things that make up our physical world are misty and insubstantial to them and they can easily see through or pass through our walls because it is not physical to them.
3. They have a body that is as physical to touch and sight as their former earth body. This body is not just a vacuum, it is a biological machine that contains internal organs like brain, heart, lungs, blood etc though some organs are not present such as the reproductive and digestive organs.

So, from our perspective, we're material while they're immaterial but from their perspective they're material while we and our world are immaterial.

Very very good analysis.
Now, if you are referring to inter-dimensional beings from another dimension, then I absolutely believe and subscribe to that.
In fact, I can opine that the majority of so called spiritual encounters are chance or accidental encounters with inter-dimensional beings.
I subscribe to this because it makes solid scientific sense from everything we know so far about quantum physics, frequencies and the electromagnetic spectrum.
If, for example, our consciousness is only limited certain frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum for sight , sound , touch, etc, it is logical to assume our physical universe is also limited to certain frequencies beyond what is available on the electromagnetic spectrum. This would logically mean that the possibility of other universes huming on lower or higher frequency bands than our own.
Now, since we know or have come to the conclusion that our brains possess quantum-mechanical characteristics and function like quantum computers, it is plausible that our brains create quantum fields that extend way beyond the limits of our physical senses.
Therefore, it would be plausible that once in a while,under stress, trauma or induced conditions, our brains leap out and briefly entangles with beings or objects beyond our physical frequency band.
It would also make sense that through practice and meditation, the brain can be attenuated or modulated to stretch beyond our normal range of perception.

Deepsight, let's hear your opinion on this particular perspective.

justlove91:
Having studied hundreds of messages purported to have been communicated by "dead" people through mediums, describing their environments, I've come to believe that physicality is a matter of where one is looking from.

1. They say they inhabit a physical world that is as solid and physical as here on earth. Their houses are solid and they cannot pass through it just as we can't walk through our houses.
2. When they visit the earth plane (here), our houses and other things that make up our physical world are misty and insubstantial to them and they can easily see through or pass through our walls because it is not physical to them.

I don't buy this. I believe so called spiritual communications are reflections or rather re-enactments of our experiences. That's why information gotten from such are in tandem with the technology, knowledge and experiences of the time. That's was why spiritual communications did not tell anyone any of the basic facts we take for granted today, like the earth is a sphere, the moving points of lights wondering among the stars are co-planets, that the stars are other sun's, that microbes causes diseases, etc., non of these dead people gave any information outside the prevailing knowledge. Similarly, their environment as described is no different from the environment they left behind on earth. The people and animals described are familiar ones.

3. They have a body that is as physical to touch and sight as their former earth body. This body is not just a vacuum, it is a biological machine that contains internal organs like brain, heart, lungs, blood etc though some organs are not present such as the reproductive and digestive organs.

Same thing I said before, the spiritualists use current scientific information, twist it to fit their narrative, and then label it spiritual world or understanding. The word vacuum was added after science learnt that space is a vacuum. How can something be called a biological machine without reproduction and digestion? How will the spiritual being be replaced. Oh I forgot, spiritual beings are immortal. How will they obtain energy for basic functions without eating? I had thought there were feasts in some heavens. There is even excessive sex in some heavens.

So, from our perspective, we're material while they're immaterial but from their perspective they're material while we and our world are immaterial.

What is the definition of immaterial? What is even your definition of material?

plaetton:
Very very good analysis.
Now, if you are referring to inter-dimensional beings from another dimension, then I absolutely believe and subscribe to that.
In fact, I can opine that the majority of so called spiritual encounters are chance or accidental encounters with inter-dimensional beings.
I subscribe to this because it makes solid scientific sense from everything we know so far about quantum physics, frequencies and the electromagnetic spectrum.
If, for example, our consciousness is only limited certain frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum for sight , sound , touch, etc, it is logical to assume our physical universe is also limited to certain frequencies beyond what is available on the electromagnetic spectrum. This would logically mean that the possibility of other universes huming on lower or higher frequency bands than our own.
Now, since we know or have come to the conclusion that our brains possess quantum-mechanical characteristics and function like quantum computers, it is plausible that our brains create quantum fields that extend way beyond the limits of our physical senses.
Therefore, it would be plausible that once in a while,under stress, trauma or induced conditions, our brains leap out and briefly entangles with beings or objects beyond our physical frequency band.
It would also make sense that through practice and meditation, the brain can be attenuated or modulated to stretch beyond our normal range of perception.

Deepsight, let's hear your opinion on this particular perspective.

I feel you. I honestly understand what you are talking about. I have actually read a lot about spiritual dimensions, multidimensional universes, quantum entanglements, frequencies, etc. I used to subscribe to all these ideas for a very long time. But I decided to discard them one by one for one reason. They suffer the same flaw as all spiritual knowledge since the dawn of history, they simply ride on current scientific discoveries. They don't add anything to current knowledge of the universe, but wait for scientists to do the hard work and them borrow their concepts and theories to explain their spiritual world. Most times they even misinterprete or misrepresent these scientific theories. For example when they describe the quantum world as being a strange world where anything goes,and where the laws of physics are broken. This is not true. Quantum physics just tries to describe behaviour of particles on the very fundamental scale (the piko scale). That world can only be described by the wave function, a probability of events. But on the macro scale, quantum physics aligns with regular physics.
It is disingenuous to try and describe the macro world using quantum mechanics.

wirinet:
I don't buy this. I believe so called spiritual communications are reflections or rather re-enactments of our experiences. That's why information gotten from such are in tandem with the technology, knowledge and experiences of the time. That's was why spiritual communications did not tell anyone any of the basic facts we take for granted today, like the earth is a sphere, the moving points of lights wondering among the stars are co-planets, that the stars are other sun's, that microbes causes diseases, etc., non of these dead people gave any information outside the prevailing knowledge.

You've to be willing to put in effort to study hundreds of those communications to get a picture of what is going on, you can't just hear about it or read a few pages and think you know what it's all about.

Now to your post.

The law is that one must put in effort to acquire knowledge, it's not just laid down for you with ease. Even those communicating put in effort in their respective spheres to acquire knowledge, even though there are higher beings that already know what they're trying to know yet they don't just give them the knowledge, they can only guide them in the right direction to acquire such knowledge. So don't expect those communicating to come and lay knowledge down for us to cram.

Also, you must realize that the main purpose of their communication is only three parts :
1. To demonstrate that death is not the end, it is just a transition to another plane of existence.
2. To let us know that we prepare our place there by the life we live here, religions or beliefs cannot save us, we cannot be saved by the death of a fella on the cross. Whatsoever a man sow that shall he reap.
3. We're not stuck for eternity in whatsoever sphere we find ourself after death, hope is eternal, and one can rise even from the darkest sphere to the brightest sphere according to law not grace.

Similarly, their environment as described is no different from the environment they left behind on earth. The people and animals described are familiar ones.

Visualize an onion with its many layers, the earth is like the center of the onion, the spheres are in concentric circle around the earth in layers extending out into space, such that when we look at the sun or stars we're literally looking through the spheres.
The closer the sphere is to earth the more it resembles it.

Now, the higher or farther ones place in the spheres is from earth, the harder it becomes to come to the earth environment (they say it feels suffocating), this means that the only beings able to "inhale" the earth atmosphere and thus communicate are those closest to earth (within the first to third spheres).

So, since these beings spheres are closest to earth, their enviroment will also resemble (to certain extent)earth in its features. Maybe there are no houses, trees, flowers, animals in farther spheres, I can't tell because they never communicate.

Same thing I said before, the spiritualists use current scientific information, twist it to fit their narrative, and then label it spiritual world or understanding. The word vacuum was added after science learnt that space is a vacuum. How can something be called a biological machine without reproduction and digestion? How will the spiritual being be replaced. Oh I forgot, spiritual beings are immortal. How will they obtain energy for basic functions without eating?

There is always a constant inflow of people transitioning from here to there nah, so there is no need for reproduction.
They obtain there energy through other means than food.

I had thought there were feasts in some heavens. There is even excessive sex in some heavens.

You heard wrong my brother

What is the definition of immaterial? What is even your definition of material?

There is nothing immaterial, eveything that exist is material ie matter in varying degree of vibration.

plaetton:
I certainly have.
Many times.
Not only did I have them frequently in the past, but I actually began to take notes by my bedside and catalogue them.

Then you know its true.

LordReed:
Thanks for your reply. This is a lot to take in so I will take my time to respond.

Still awaiting your reply.

Good morning.

DeepSight:
Still awaiting your reply.

Good morning.

Good morning bruv. I haven't forgotten, still mulling it over.

plaetton:
Very very good analysis.
Now, if you are referring to inter-dimensional beings from another dimension, then I absolutely believe and subscribe to that.
In fact, I can opine that the majority of so called spiritual encounters are chance or accidental encounters with inter-dimensional beings.
I subscribe to this because it makes solid scientific sense from everything we know so far about quantum physics, frequencies and the electromagnetic spectrum.
If, for example, our consciousness is only limited certain frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum for sight , sound , touch, etc, it is logical to assume our physical universe is also limited to certain frequencies beyond what is available on the electromagnetic spectrum. This would logically mean that the possibility of other universes huming on lower or higher frequency bands than our own.
Now, since we know or have come to the conclusion that our brains possess quantum-mechanical characteristics and function like quantum computers, it is plausible that our brains create quantum fields that extend way beyond the limits of our physical senses.
Therefore, it would be plausible that once in a while,under stress, trauma or induced conditions, our brains leap out and briefly entangles with beings or objects beyond our physical frequency band.
It would also make sense that through practice and meditation, the brain can be attenuated or modulated to stretch beyond our normal range of perception.

Deepsight, let's hear your opinion on this particular perspective.

It happens all the time and if you are used to it, you will have encountered many beings from different worlds.

fredwill1357:
I didn't ask you any private question, I only asked your views on meditation and if you possibly engage in it. Are there factors that you think or know that can heighten or retrogress spiritual gifts?

What do you want to know about me or my gifts?

One factor is hunger / fasting. The body gets weak and the spirit gets stronger.

Another factor is paying attention to symbols nd energies around you.

Strong meditation does also work. Try and involve the use of water in the process. There is magic in water.

justlove91:
Having studied hundreds of messages purported to have been communicated by "dead" people through mediums, describing their environments, I've come to believe that physicality is a matter of where one is looking from.

1. They say they inhabit a physical world that is as solid and physical as here on earth. Their houses are solid and they cannot pass through it just as we can't walk through our houses.
2. When they visit the earth plane (here), our houses and other things that make up our physical world are misty and insubstantial to them and they can easily see through or pass through our walls because it is not physical to them.
3. They have a body that is as physical to touch and sight as their former earth body. This body is not just a vacuum, it is a biological machine that contains internal organs like brain, heart, lungs, blood etc though some organs are not present such as the reproductive and digestive organs.

So, from our perspective, we're material while they're immaterial but from their perspective they're material while we and our world are immaterial.

The body is just the same as a dress.

justlove91:
You've to be willing to put in effort to study hundreds of those communications to get a picture of what is going on, you can't just hear about it or read a few pages and think you know what it's all about.

Now to your post.

The law is that one must put in effort to acquire knowledge, it's not just laid down for you with ease. Even those communicating put in effort in their respective spheres to acquire knowledge, even though there are higher beings that already know what they're trying to know yet they don't just give them the knowledge, they can only guide them in the right direction to acquire such knowledge. So don't expect those communicating to come and lay knowledge down for us to cram.

Also, you must realize that the main purpose of their communication is only three parts :
1. To demonstrate that death is not the end, it is just a transition to another plane of existence.
2. To let us know that we prepare our place there by the life we live here, religions or beliefs cannot save us, we cannot be saved by the death of a fella on the cross. Whatsoever a man sow that shall he reap.
3. We're not stuck for eternity in whatsoever sphere we find ourself after death, hope is eternal, and one can rise even from the darkest sphere to the brightest sphere according to law not grace.


Visualize an onion with its many layers, the earth is like the center of the onion, the spheres are in concentric circle around the earth in layers extending out into space, such that when we look at the sun or stars we're literally looking through the spheres.
The closer the sphere is to earth the more it resembles it.

Now, the higher or farther ones place in the spheres is from earth, the harder it becomes to come to the earth environment (they say it feels suffocating), this means that the only beings able to "inhale" the earth atmosphere and thus communicate are those closest to earth (within the first to third spheres).

So, since these beings spheres are closest to earth, their enviroment will also resemble (to certain extent)earth in its features. Maybe there are no houses, trees, flowers, animals in farther spheres, I can't tell because they never communicate.


There is always a constant inflow of people transitioning from here to there nah, so there is no need for reproduction.
They obtain there energy through other means than food.

You heard wrong my brother

There is nothing immaterial, eveything that exist is material ie matter in varying degree of vibration.

Do you read the Grail Message.

DeepSight:
The body is just the same as a dress.

Yep, just a garment that enables us to experience this dimension, death so called is just the laying down of this garment for another body which of course is also just a garment that enables us to experience the next dimension.

DeepSight:
Do you read the Grail Message.

Yes, the three volumes but there are some of its teachings I don't agree with. Examples

- Jesus as being different from human in "specie" I believe Jesus (if he actually exist ) is a highly developed human at best.
- Jesus breaking off of God when human needs salvation and he returning to God after that which made it seems like it's only human on earth that needs urgent rescue and other beings in other planets doesn't.
- Its claim that one can use his intuitive perception to determine the truth of the message. Abeg, how am I to use my intuition to determine the truth of it claims about Parsifals, the divine animals in divine substantiality, the existence of Holy Grail in the highest spiritual substantiality, the existence of the guardians of this Grail, Queen of heaven etc.
- Its claim of angels as beings in divine substantiality whereas to me an angel is a human spirit that has development to a certain level.
- It actually claims angels literally have wings.
- It's urgency for us to evolve quickly out of world of matter because of the danger of disintegration and thus returning to spirit germ. I believe the ethereal world doesn't have an inherent shape or form like matter here, it only took the form it took because of the vibration of the spirits dwelling in it and so long they keep the vibration going so long it will maintain its form, it doesn't disintegrate like matter here.
- There is an aura of ridicule of men as mere spirit from the lowest plane of spiritual substantiality not even the highest not to talk of divine substantiality.
- The identity of Abd Ru Shin as not just divine but part of divine unsubstantiality (God).
- Existence of Satan.
- The unfairness of a truck load of privileged beings(beings in divine substantiality and highest planes of spiritual substantiality) that just happens to find themselves in a highly developed state without having to go through any sort development as humans do and even in our highest developed state we can never reach their level.
- Its believe about the eternal existence of an infinitely complex being that is all knowing, all powerful, all this, all that, that happens to just exist eternally like that without undergoing any form of evolution or development whatsoever (GOD). The introduction of an infinitely complex being cannot to used as an explanation for the complexity of existence.
E T C

I dropped it because there are many claims that one just have to believe (forget intuitive sensing) and many one can never know because of our lower specie as mere low grade spiritual.

The messages communicated through mediumship is less cumbersome and appeals more to my reasoning.
The heart of their message is whatsoever you sow, you will reap so do your best to only sow what you would like to reap.
It doesn't give me the impossible task of trying to use my intuitive perception to determine whether Parsifal had a fight with Lucifer or not.

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DeepSight:
Hello Reed,

Now, I am going to make an exception in my usual approach. I usually try to communicate based on logic and with premises that build an argument. However this question you have asked, I sense is a sincere inquiry and not an argumentative one. And even if it happens to be argumentative, I have decided to approach it differently. So in this instance, I will make an exception and simply share my personal experiences with regard to your question. In doing so, I risk being seen as perhaps deluded or even psychotic but no matter, I am not one to be bothered what people think of me. So here goes.

In terms of dreams, a spiritual dream is recognized by its very nature - it often comes out of the blue and out of sync with the petty matters of everyday life. Our nature is such that as we sleep off, all the matters in our minds begin to play around in our subconscious and often crop up as dreams of this and that everyday matter. These dreams are run of the mill and are of the physical and mental realm only. Dreams which involve the spirit are often strikingly different. In my personal experience these elements tend to pop up:

1. The dream is strikingly real and feels like something that has happened in real life, not just like a dream

2. The dream often involves symbols, and very often other-worldly creatures and beings unknown to this world

3. The dream presents you with abnormal powers and capacities

4. The dream predicts the future with uncanny accuracy

Since I was a child I have had a steady flow of dreams which predict the future with staggering accuracy, and this has become a normal part of my life. It is way too consistent and way too accurate for me to ignore or deny it, so much so that I know that there is little that can happen around me which I do not see ahead in a dream. I have repeatedly told people around me exactly what will happen in their lives in a short while, or who will die suddenly, and unfailingly it comes to pass in staggering detail. This kind of thing enables me to know that these are not run off the mill dreams, which often just involve spatterings or memory and daily activities playing around in one's mind.

Let me move deeper. At a point, I began to have the ability to be lucid in my dreams. This is called lucid dreaming and it is a state where one is in a dream and one is aware that it is a dream. When I began to master the art, I would recognise that I am in a dream and then be able to take control of the dream and go to spiritual locations and observe events and places which one cannot access in the waking world.

This led me to gradually begin my first astral travels, because I realized that in that state, I could begin to float in what appears to be a world-ether and go to varying places and interact with other beings. I realized this was real when I began to go to places far away from my home and the next day, be able to recount to the people there exactly what transpired where they where, and who did what, etc - with accuracy. This has left people around me doumfounded and I know its something very real - it's not a trick of the mind.

Let me add that I am not special in this regard, almost everyone has these capacities, people just key into them at varying levels or not at all.

The spiritual is very real. However these things are beyond what can be argued or proven with normal logic and certainly not with science as we know it. Maybe a day will come when we will evolve to a level of science that addresses such things. Let me stop here.

Try and see the movie "Behind her eyes" on Netflix. It gives a very clear idea of the sort of thing I am talking about in terms of astral presence and astral travel.

I had to take my time in responding because I wanted to thoroughly ruminate as some of your own experiences are mine as well which is what leads me to my dilemma. Previously when I was a believer, I would have agreed with you that these experiences where spiritually or even spirit driven. However, when I think about it now that I am no longer a believer, I realise the only reason I would have agreed with you baack then would be because I believed.

The thing with your 4 criteria is how can we say that they are truly indicative of spirits and not just the effect of being part of the universe? Like I said I have had similar experiences even now as an atheist which I cannot attribute to spirits since I have no belief in them and still left no way to tell.

With no way to objectively confirm that these things are spirit based would you say that you believe them to be so?

Also, not sure why you want me to watch a fictional series, what would that provide evidence for?

plaetton:
Salutations sir.

Even when put in my own words, there is no claim I made here for which modern empirical studies do not support.

Catscans, MRIs ,etc, show us that all emotions and mental experiences carry or are simply unique electrical signals or impulses.

But Correlation is not equal to Causation. Some people see correlation between events that happen to a person and the position of planets in the heavens. But that does not mean that the movement of planets in heaven cause the events that happen to us.

On a slightly different note, have you checked out any of the work of Rupert Sheldrake?

plaetton:
Salutations sir.

Even when put in my own words, there is no claim I made here for which modern empirical studies do not support.

Catscans, MRIs ,etc, show us that all emotions and mental experiences carry or are simply unique electrical signals or impulses.

PastorAIO:
But Correlation is not equal to Causation. Some people see correlation between events that happen to a person and the position of planets in the heavens. But that does not mean that the movement of planets in heaven cause the events that happen to us.

On a slightly different note, have you checked out any of the work of Rupert Sheldrake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrIlWrGe4w4?si=IC7rWU2ZRESnQKvY

plaetton:
Salutations sir.

Even when put in my own words, there is no claim I made here for which modern empirical studies do not support.

Catscans, MRIs ,etc, show us that all emotions and mental experiences carry or are simply unique electrical signals or impulses.

As PastorAIO has already said, co-relation is not causation.

I wanted to ask you how you can prove that the electrical signals observed are the cause of emotions/ thoughts etc, rather than the effect of them, for example?

Mind you, I do not say that they are the effect. I only ask a theoretical question to advance the point that corelation is not causation.

DeepSight:
As PastorAIO has already said, co-relation is not causation.

I wanted to ask you how you can prove that the electrical signals observed are the cause of emotions/ thoughts etc, rather than the effect of them, for example?

Mind you, I do not say that they are the effect. I only ask a theoretical question to advance the point that corelation is not causation.

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I'm trying to get my head around this question to make sure I understand it properly.
I can only talk of what is empirically observable or has been empirically observed. Anything beyond observable phenomena is just speculation.
MRIs , Catscans, etc, observe changes in electrical signals when different emotions are stimulated. That shows us first that emotions register electrical signals that are not only observable, but can be calibrated and compared to the wide variety of emotions that we experience.
All neural activities, all communication at the cellular level occur via electrical signals, which are now observable.

Need I say more sire ?

plaetton:
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I'm trying to get my head around this question to make sure I understand it properly.
I can only talk of what is empirically observable or has been empirically observed. Anything beyond observable phenomena is just speculation.
MRIs , Catscans, etc, observe changes in electrical signals when different emotions are stimulated. That shows us first that emotions register electrical signals that are not only observable, but can be calibrated and compared to the wide variety of emotions that we experience.
All neural activities, all communication at the cellular level occur via electrical signals, which are now observable.

Need I say more sire ?

I specifically asked how you know that the electrical signals are the cause and not the effect of emotions.

PastorAIO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrIlWrGe4w4?si=IC7rWU2ZRESnQKvY

I didn't watch the entire clip, but
My response is this :

Of course there are sooo much that we are still to understand about the laws nature and human life processes.
That's why we have science. Science is not dogma. Science is an inquiry, a never ending inquiry . We accept the things that we can empirically observe, and leave the rest in the domain of speculation, myths and superstitions until such a time that we get empirically observable proof.

So far, it has been working out very very well.
Our lives today, in this era, are living proof of the pre-eminence of the scientific method.

DeepSight:
I specifically asked how you know that the electrical signals are the cause and not the effect of emotions.

I never said such ,sire.

I only said that emotions produce unique electrical signals that are observable.

Now , likewise, the introduction of same unique electrical signal would trigger the same emotions because a direct mathematical correlation exists between the emotion and the unique electrical signal.
If,
A = B
Then conversely, B = A
The fact the we have drugs, an external chemical agent, affects moods and emotions is proof emotions are not wholly independent of environment and external stimuli.

plaetton:
I never said such ,sire.

I only said that emotions produce unique electrical signals that are observable.

Now , likewise, the introduction of same unique electrical signal would trigger the same emotions because a direct mathematical correlation exists between the emotion and the unique electrical signal.
If,
A = B
Then conversely, B = A

With respect, you are either dodging the question or confusing yourself.

Lets try again, making it simpler, which came first, the chicken or the egg.
i.e: Which came first, the emotion or the electric signal?

The fact the we have drugs, an external chemical agent, affects moods and emotions is proof emotions are not wholly independent of environment and external stimuli.

I would not ever argue "wholly." States of mind can be influenced by drugs, this is true. Does this therefore mean that emotions etc are generally wholly products of chemical interaction, caused by them?

plaetton:
I didn't watch the entire clip, but
My response is this :

Of course there are sooo much that we are still to understand about the laws nature and human life processes.
That's why we have science. Science is not dogma. Science is an inquiry, a never ending inquiry . We accept the things that we can empirically observe, and leave the rest in the domain of speculation, myths and superstitions until such a time that we get empirically observable proof.

So far, it has been working out very very well.
Our lives today, in this era, are living proof of the pre-eminence of the scientific method.

The video clip does not directly address this issue that you are talking about but I felt the topic was adjacent to it. that's why I threw it in.

As regards Dogma and Open inquiry, I find that both exist within the Science community as they do in every other intellectual community, whether religious, political or scientific.

In fact the recent years have shown us that there is indeed dogma in the scientific community to the extent that some people (Mr Fauci I'm looking at you) will say to the world, "I am The Science".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIVCAH-Tdy4?si=VlJqqg_6Ovk8yVD_

What is the difference here between Fauci and the millions of religious leaders that we have had in the past and still have till today? All bodies of knowledge and inquiry have to be guarded against this human tendency for dogmatism and attempts to use the discipline to accrue personal power. This is a human problem and has nothing to do with Science per se, or Religion per se.

I also wonder about the other organs. What is this fixation with the brain as if that is where consciousness or qualia is seated? What if emotions are connected to the state of other organs and glands. The production of adrenaline into the blood can 'cause' anxious feelings. Are the Adrenal glands the source of the feelings?

What about when a part of the brain is damaged and other parts of the brain take up the function of the damaged part? That suggests that these impulses cannot be limited to a location in the brain, and perhaps in the entire body. There is a Wholistic approach of the entire being.

PastorAIO:
The video clip does not directly address this issue that you are talking about but I felt the topic was adjacent to it. that's why I threw it in.

As regards Dogma and Open inquiry, I find that both exist within the Science community as they do in every other intellectual community, whether religious, political or scientific.

In fact the recent years have shown us that there is indeed dogma in the scientific community to the extent that some people (Mr Fauci I'm looking at you) will say to the world, "I am The Science".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIVCAH-Tdy4?si=VlJqqg_6Ovk8yVD_

What is the difference here between Fauci and the millions of religious leaders that we have had in the past and still have till today? All bodies of knowledge and inquiry have to be guarded against this human tendency for dogmatism and attempts to use the discipline to accrue personal power. This is a human problem and has nothing to do with Science per se, or Religion per se.

I cannot agree more that there is dogma in science. Professors have been de-tenured for disagreeing with the scientific orthodoxy of the day, especially when it comes to the Theory of Evolution. Plaetton take note.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pTbMoufp4?si=h7ulW9T1jxy7rNe9

THERE'S GOD OOO.

Of course

PastorAIO:
I also wonder about the other organs. What is this fixation with the brain as if that is where consciousness or qualia is seated? What if emotions are connected to the state of other organs and glands. The production of adrenaline into the blood can 'cause' anxious feelings. Are the Adrenal glands the source of the feelings?

What about when a part of the brain is damaged and other parts of the brain take up the function of the damaged part? That suggests that these impulses cannot be limited to a location in the brain, and perhaps in the entire body. There is a Wholistic approach of the entire being.

I think human consciousness is a gestalt of both the brain and the entire body.

LordReed:
I think human consciousness is a gestalt of both the brain and the entire body.

Why stop there? It could involve the entire universe with absolutely everything in existence involved with what we call consciousness