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In many religious traditions, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, the concepts of fairness and justice are often associated with God's nature and actions. Oya reason with me....

What's Fairness and Justice; and what's the difference?

Fairness typically implies a sense of equality, impartiality, and evenhandedness. It's about treating everyone the same, without bias or prejudice.

Justice, on the other hand, involves upholding what is right and moral, often taking into account the specific circumstances and context. Justice seeks to address wrongs, protect the vulnerable, and promote righteousness.

Does God work on the basis of fairness or justice?

In the biblical tradition, God is often described as a God of justice (Isaiah 61:8, Psalm 11:7). God's justice is not limited to punishment, but also involves restoration, redemption, and mercy.

While God's ways may not always seem "fair" to us, they are rooted in His justice and righteousness. God's justice takes into account the complexities of human situations, the consequences of sin, and the need for redemption.

In other words, God's justice is not about treating everyone the same, but about treating each person according to their unique circumstances, needs, and actions.

Examples from Scripture:
1. The parable of the workers in the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) illustrates God's justice, where those who worked longer hours received the same pay as those who worked shorter hours. While this may seem "unfair," it highlights God's gracious and merciful nature.
2. The story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) demonstrates God's justice, where the father welcomes back his wayward son with open arms, despite the son's past mistakes.

In conclusion, while God's ways may not always seem "fair" to us, they are rooted in His justice, righteousness, and mercy. God's justice takes into account the complexities of human situations, and His ways are always motivated by love and a desire to restore and redeem.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

ardeks:
➜What's Fairness and Justice; and what's the difference?
Fairness typically implies a sense of equality, impartiality, and evenhandedness. It's about treating everyone the same, without bias or prejudice.
Justice, on the other hand, involves upholding what is right and moral, often taking into account the specific circumstances and context. Justice seeks to address wrongs, protect the vulnerable, and promote righteousness.
Does God work on the basis of fairness or justice?
In the biblical tradition, God is often described as a God of justice (Isaiah 61:8, Psalm 11:7). God's justice is not limited to punishment, but also involves restoration, redemption, and mercy.
While God's ways may not always seem "fair" to us, they are rooted in His justice and righteousness. God's justice takes into account the complexities of human situations, the consequences of sin, and the need for redemption.
In other words, God's justice is not about treating everyone the same, but about treating each person according to their unique circumstances, needs, and actions.
Examples from Scripture:
1. The parable of the workers in the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) illustrates God's justice, where those who worked longer hours received the same pay as those who worked shorter hours. While this may seem "unfair," it highlights God's gracious and merciful nature.
2. The story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) demonstrates God's justice, where the father welcomes back his wayward son with open arms, despite the son's past mistakes.
In conclusion, while God's ways may not always seem "fair" to us, they are rooted in His justice, righteousness, and mercy. God's justice takes into account the complexities of human situations, and His ways are always motivated by love and a desire to restore and redeem.What are your thoughts on this topic?

There are over 4000 different identified deities out there. So your write-up is not balanced, to begin with. You are on a forum filled with Nigerians yet your focus is on a God that is written to have no connections whatsoever with Nigerians or the nation of Nigeria; the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ of Israel, clearly revealed in Israelite scripture that they are both only concerned with descendants of the man Jacob. So how we go take answer your question?

Kobojunkie:
There are over 4000 different identified deities out there. So your write-up is not balanced, to begin with. You are on a forum filled with Nigerians yet your focus is on a God that is written to have no connections whatsoever with Nigerians or the nation of Nigeria; the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ of Israel, clearly revealed in Israelite scripture that they are both only concerned with descendants of the man Jacob. So how we go take answer your question?

please quote the scriptures to support your claims

Celestialsword:
➜please quote the scriptures to support your claims

Matthew 15 vs 21-22 & Matthew 7 vs 6 & Matthew 10 vs 1 - 6; Deuteronomy 32 vs 7 - 9... There are so many texts where this is made clear in most every book contained in that compendium.

Fairness or Justice? fairness and justice are ideas fashioned by man and his understanding of a "moral compass".
God is a supreme creator not limited to human expression or expectations. It's true to some extent that it's possible he rewards fairness or kindness but the world is obviously not fashioned for either justice or fairness to rule

RealityKings1:
➜fairness or justice? fairness or justice are ideas fashioned by man and his understanding of a "moral compass". God is a supreme creator not limited to human expression or expectations.

Also a good point given all 4000 identified known deities are described as being unanswerable to those who follow them so it really makes no sense asking questions such as these.

Kobojunkie:
Also a good point given all 4000 identified known deities are described as being unanswerable to those who follow them so it really makes no sense asking questions such as these.

Invocation / incantation wise, all these gods can be summoned to be effective. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible.


My point it there is a supreme being, he doesn't want to be aknowledged because he exists outside the action frame called "power". But humans want to do "eye-service". So they create religion and some of these gods to express their their understanding of an ideal creator

RealityKings1:
➜Invocation / incantation wise, all these gods can be summoned to be effective. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible.
➜My point it there is a supreme being, he doesn't want to be aknowledged because he exists outside the action frame called "power".
➜But humans want to do "eye-service". So they create religion and some of these gods to express their their understanding of an ideal creator

1. There is no proof of any of this, and I have read extensively on many of the deities in question

2. A supreme being who is? 😩😩😩

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no proof of any of this, and I have read extensively on many of the deities in question

2. A supreme being who is? 😩😩😩

You are funny. You said you have read extensively on many of the deities. That's half way education.
Have you participated in any of the practicals?

Have you taking part in summoning or invoking any spirits? So that you can see the building blocks of existence.

RealityKings1:
➜You are funny. You said you have read extensively on many of the deities. That's half way education. Have you participated in any of the practicals?
➜Have you taking part in summoning or invoking any spirits?
➜So that you can see the building blocks of existence.

1. That also means I have put into practice much of what I read as far as invocation/incantation as well.

2. Sure!

3. No building blocks of existence are identified through all of those religion rituals I engaged in!

Kobojunkie:
1. That also means I have put into practice much of what I read as far as invocation/incantation as well.

2. Sure!

3. No building blocks of existence are identified through all of those religion rituals I engaged in!

1. There is a difference between "reading about" and "practicing what you read". You clearly aren't experienced in such areas.

3. Thats because you failed. If you practice the invocation right with the rituals. They will honour you with their presence. Often times people run mad

RealityKings1:
➜There is a difference between "reading about" and "practicing what you read". You clearly aren't experienced in such areas.
➜ Thats because you failed.
➜If you practice the invocation right with the rituals. They will honour you with their presence.
➜Often times people run mad

1. I read through various religious writings, and then put them to practice. Why are you desperate to diminish what I said in order to cause it to suit your particular narrative?

2. That is the convenient religious copout, isn't it?

3. Nonsense! I practiced what was written in most of the texts I religious texts I read — I approached the religious doctrines in all of the religious texts in a scientific manner. But I came up with nothing in the end.

4. Nobody I have ever met in an asylum ran mad merely from practicing religious rituals. There is no proof that that ever happens. Only Africans with their religious minds conveniently subscribe to such idiocy. And yes, I have experienced madness(or have come very close to it) and my experience was in no way linked to religion or connected rituals.

Kobojunkie:
1. I read through various religious writings, and then put them to practice. Why are you desperate to diminish what I said in order to cause it to suit your particular narrative?

2. That is the convenient religious copout, isn't it?

3. Nonsense! I practiced what was written in most of the texts I religious texts I read — I approached the religious doctrines in all of the religious texts in a scientific manner. But I came up with nothing in the end.

4. Nobody I have ever met in an asylum ran mad merely from practicing religious rituals. There is no proof that that ever happens. Only Africans with their religious minds conveniently subscribe to such idiocy. And yes, I have experienced madness(or have come very close to it) and my experience was in no way linked to religion or connected rituals.

1. Just like I have told you, if you do it right you will get the right results.

RealityKings1:
1. Just like I have told you, if you do it right you will get the right results.

Stop telling this religious lie already! There are over 5 billion individuals on the planet today who claim either one religion or the other, with absolutely none of them currently outwardly exuding most any of the ideas put forth in any of your religious texts in terms of miraculous performances, etc.

Think carefully about that before you respond. We are talking of a population of over 5,000,000,000 religious individuals and zilch! Are you trying to have us believe that they all failed and that is the reason why absolutely none of them have been able to accomplish any of the feats documented in their religious texts?

Una go leave topic dey argue.... Ur God is what you want him to be. Mine is just and fair.

IfyAwazie:
Una go leave topic dey argue.... Ur God is what you want him to be. Mine is just and fair.

Love your comment:
You worship a God who is Just and Fair.

Most people often say the same thing yet during political struggle they hate their neighbours to death.
I could remember a colleague in office who looked at me and said:
Mr ...... I know you voted BAT, are you now enjoying this government?"

I asked him how he got to know about the person i voted and he said:

"Are you not a Yorùbá man?"

I asked him if all Yorùbá voted BAT or even voted at all and he got annoyed at me saying i supposed to vote.

This has caused so much hatred among people claiming their God is just and fair yet i never take side with any politician.
Why do people who claim their God is just and fair often takes sides in politics and racism?

Kobojunkie:
Stop telling this religious lie already! There are over 5 billion individuals on the planet today who claim either one religion or the other, with absolutely none of them currently outwardly exuding most any of the ideas put forth in any of your religious texts in terms of miraculous performances, etc.

Think carefully about that before you respond. We are talking of a population of over 5,000,000,000,000 religious individuals and zilch! Are you trying to have us believe that they all failed and that is the reason why absolutely none of them have been able to accomplish any of the feats documented in their religious texts?

In all my posts there was never at any point I mentioned "religion or religious". So you are drawing inference.

That aside I will like to ask, how did you know there are over 5,000,000,000,000 people on earth just like you claimed?

ardeks:
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In conclusion, while God's ways may not always seem "fair" to us, they are rooted in His justice, righteousness, and mercy. God's justice takes into account the complexities of human situations, and His ways are always motivated by love and a desire to restore and redeem.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

God is already more than fair, He is Good and over Good.

And He is Just.

And your understanding of those concepts justice and fairness is wrong for justice as it even sounds refers to accuracy that is Just Is!

While fairness refers to Goodness and kindness and equality and anything that is Good.

So, what you just recited is the lies (half truths) which liars teach which is why people have been foretricked to not understand God's Ways.

Kobojunkie:
There are over 4000 different identified deities out there. So your write-up is not balanced, to begin with. You are on a forum filled with Nigerians yet your focus is on a God that is written to have no connections whatsoever with Nigerians or the nation of Nigeria; the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ of Israel, clearly revealed in Israelite scripture that they are both only concerned with descendants of the man Jacob. So how we go take answer your question?

Clear proof you are a the evil!

RealityKings1:
Fairness or Justice? fairness and justice are ideas fashioned by man and his understanding of a "moral compass".
God is a supreme creator not limited to human expression or expectations. It's true to some extent that it's possible he rewards fairness or kindness but the world is obviously not fashioned for either justice or fairness to rule

Wrong!

Who Laid The Law of Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,? Is this not just is?

And who laid The Law of Fairness in Audi Alterem Partem /Nullum crimen sine lege and other Laws of Fairness and Just Is discoverable under Natural Law?

Definitely not man. It is not man who made Natural Law from where all the best Laws we have in this world comes from

But Those Laws were Set by God.

And this is where you can go and learn where the word "Law" comes from and It's a Flemish word

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

Who Laid The Law of Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,? Is this not just is?

And who laid The Law of Fairness in Audi Alterem Partem /Nullum crimen sine lege and other Laws of Fairness and Just Is discoverable under Natural Law?

Definitely not man. It is not man who made Natural Law from where all the best Laws we have in this world comes from

But Those Laws were Set by God.

And this is where you can go and learn where the word "Law" comes from and It's a Flemish word

Were you physically there when those books were being compiled?

RealityKings1:
Were you physically there when those books were being compiled?

Were you physically there when Isreal returned to Palestine in 1947?

RealityKings1:
➜ In all my posts there was never at any point I mentioned "religion or religious". So you are drawing inference.
➜That aside I will like to ask, how did you know there are over 5,000,000,000 ,000 people on earth just like you claimed?

Excuse you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Do you actually think one has to explicitly say the word religion before one can be identified as pushing a religious agenda?😩😩😩😩😩

2. As of January 2025, the number of people on the planet is put at over 8 billion —8,000,000,000.

Dtruthspeaker:
Were you physically there when Isreal returned to Palestine in 1947?

There are several videos and pictorial evidence of that moment on YouTube. Show me the video evidence of your own claims

The point is, Natural law is a system of law based on a CLOSE OBSERVATION of natural order and human nature.. it wasn't as if it was explicitly written down by the supreme deity.

It's up to you to observe and interpret as you deem fit. You can't say "Who Laid The Law of Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot"... That is a purely human influenced "fairness and justice'.. It's the same thing with forgiveness or kindness.

Forgiveness, kindness, Fairness, Justice are all in the same category: They are all realities that are available. So you have to chose based on human instinct.
For the creator to have made all these category of choices available to be recognised, obviously he isn't taking any as his favourite
Its very difficult to say the creator had

RealityKings1:
There are several videos and pictorial evidence of that moment on YouTube. Show me the video evidence of your own claims

Now you have shifted to YouTube and video and pictorial evidence because you yourself were not there when these events happened.

Whereas YouTube was not there in 1947 .

And on pictorial evidence a lot were obtained from books and newspapers and drawings eg pictures of Aristotle, Socrates, Egypt, Archimedes, Paul ,etc were items obtained from older books since there was no camera or video in those days, yet we know these people past were true, so your objection is null.

RealityKings1:
The point is, Natural law is a system of law based on a CLOSE OBSERVATION of natural order and human nature.. it wasn't as if it was explicitly written down by the supreme deity.

It's up to you to observe and interpret as you deem fit. You can't say "Who Laid The Law of Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot"... That is a purely human influenced "fairness and justice'.. It's the same thing with forgiveness or kindness.

Forgiveness, kindness, Fairness, Justice are all in the same category: They are all realities that are available. So you have to chose based on human instinct.

The bold is the exact proof of God and the fact that it is not a creation of man exactly how all the wisdom we call common sense were never written down.

In fact, it became written down and copied because God, Commanded it. Deuteronomy 17:18-20.

So, it's writing of the law is not a material evidence of Law exactly as it is not Written any where that a man is permitted to climb trees or swim in rivers and lakes or spit, yet these are Laws.

So everything has been laid as you have confessed "They are all realities that are available"

RealityKings1:
For the creator to have made all these category of choices available to be recognised, obviously he isn't taking any as his favourite
Its very difficult to say the creator had

His Preference is already Set in that world over the Good eg The Law of Fairness in Audi Alterem Partem /Nullum crimen sine lege and other Laws of Fairness and Just Is and everything good is above and higher than the evil

Dtruthspeaker:
Clear proof you are a the evil!

You can say that again.