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Gerrard59:
Thank you for this information. Jokes aside though, Canada cannot be compared to China in any ramification. The only country I compare China to is the US. No other Western or Western allied country is superior to China. I am interested in economics, nothing else.

Kudos to Chinese elites for making their dominant land very successful for their people. Na so elites suppose dey do things.

I'll say Germany is also a peer competitor to China
Notwithstanding their recent woes (energy etc)

If there is a change in the Federal Government, express entry will change significantly from what it is now.

RodgersAkpafu:
Yea indeed
I believe it was this fierce competition in the pool that made ppl exploit the shortcuts that Trudeau and co opened up
with this whole temp workers and students thing
Now how are these millions of ppl gonna get PR

lanresz:
If there is a change in the Federal Government, express entry will change significantly from what it is now.

you think Polivere will make it easier?
Esp for the millions of temp workers in limbo ?

I didn't say it will be easier. It will be more difficult initially.

RodgersAkpafu:
you think Polivere will make it easier?
Esp for the millions of temp workers in limbo ?

lanresz:
I didn't say it will be easier. It will be more difficult initially.

Was just asking
that's all

ednut1:
well your research is not entirely complete. They use the 1000 points grid to invite people . Go to Manitoba pnp website for the actual information. Like i said friend points cannot take you to Manitoba as a skilled worker overseas without a job offer. Go to the express entry thread for more information too.

https://immigratemanitoba.com/notices/eoi-draw/
https://immigratemanitoba.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/mpnp-expression-of-interest-ranking-points-grid.pdf

Thank you so much for this information. This is comprehensive. I appreciate

I think we need to be careful with the opinions we express here. For the sake of winning brownie points in a discussion, we may not engage in giving free rein to our biases and personal experiences, which do not create a strict hypothesis about other people. We have to do better. My people will say pounded yam consumed 20 years back can still singe one's palm or even tummy. The opinion expressed these past few pages could actually lead to some people putting their employers in a difficult position keeping them as employees. 

Secondly, we have to know that there are people wanting to migrate and are scrolling through these pages. We have deprived them of having their unique experiences (which may be positive) by pouring out our vitriol about countries and groups of people on here. We need to do better. 

Let's be fair and consider the opposing argument. We need not engage in making sweeping and absolute comments by putting in provisions for our own opinion being wrong.

ferfer:
I think we need to be careful with the opinions we express here. For the sake of winning brownie points in a discussion, we may not engage in giving free rein to our biases and personal experiences, which do not create a strict hypothesis about other people. We have to do better. My people will say pounded yam consumed 20 years back can still singe one's palm or even tummy. The opinion expressed these past few pages could actually lead to some people putting their employers in a difficult position keeping them as employees. 

Secondly, we have to know that there are people wanting to migrate and are scrolling through these pages. We have deprived them of having their unique experiences (which may be positive) by pouring out our vitriol about countries and groups of people on here. We need to do better. 

Let's be fair and consider the opposing argument. We need not engage in making sweeping and absolute comments by putting in provisions for our own opinion being wrong.

every immigrant is on the chopping block when things gets hard economically . Nigeria deported Ghanians at one point and vice versa. Indians in USA were at receiving end of this HB1 visa issue, the Pakistanis gloated . A week later they got hit with child grooming scandal in UK. I don't think anyone here is painting anyone bad mostly stating the reality on ground which intending people should know.

There was a banner in Ontario over the weekend saying mass deportations . Alot of people are surprised some Canadians are now against immigration. Even the Indians born here or the ones that came long ago are trying to distinguish themselves from the recent ones.

Kenn55:
The simple answer to your question is greed, overconfidence and unbelievable deterioration of Nigeria if you ask me.
Greed in the sense that people have become too greedy. They think they can "make it" irrespective of what their situation is once they land. To make matters worse, it is now easier to migrate than years back cos people have found a way to deceive embassies with fake POF. Just with few hundred thousands, you can get 50m naira in your account as POF courtesy of rogue bankers and their network.
So what is happening now is influx of people who by reality shouldn't be anywhere near Canada now trooping in cos they have found a way to bypass the POF requirements that is supposed to help their lives.
The thinking among these set of people is "make we just enter Canada first". They feel overconfident that they can survive even if they are coming empty handed because in their mind the suffer they have suffered in Nigeria has made them resilient.
Then the unbelievable deterioration of Nigeria added fuel to fire. When you earn 200k in Lagos 4 years ago for example and you now earn 300k. On the surface, it looks like progress abi? But when you realize that your 300k can only buy 3 bags of rice, you begin to wonder if taking these stupid risks will be better in the long run.

Migration by study isn't cheap unfortunately. It used to be for the rich and upper middle class then but now every dick and Harry is now studying. I'm active in a Nigerian church in Ontario and I have seen a lot. The other day in church someone came to me with accommodation problem, I initially thought he hasn't seen anyplace to rent since he is just 1 month in the country. Luckily there was this lady relocating to Alberta where she got a job and the room will soon become vacant. I Immediately referred him to her but he told me the problem is that he doesn't have money to rent not that he hasn't seen a place to rent. How can you not have money to rent in just 1 month of arrival, what were you thinking? I was so angry and I walked away.

Even in normal times, depending on working as a student to live wasn't ideal not to talk of now. So the idea that someone will plan based on student job is so ridiculous to me but then maybe "God dey"

Exactly

Indians number one in fake POF
Nigerians Number two
that's how we exporter dregs to the four corners of the world

Maria96:
every immigrant is on the chopping block when things gets hard economically . Nigeria deported Ghanians at one point and vice versa. Indians in USA were at receiving end of this HB1 visa issue, the Pakistanis gloated . A week later they got hit with child grooming scandal in UK. I don't think anyone here is painting anyone bad mostly stating the reality on ground which intending people should know.

There was a banner in Ontario over the weekend saying mass deportations . Alot of people are surprised some Canadians are now against immigration. Even the Indians born here or the ones that came long ago are trying to distinguish themselves from the recent ones.

Exactly 💯
You have said it all.
If we bury our heads in the sand and not call out these many excesses of some of our respective groups, when shit hits the fan, all of us will collect in totality, no exception

I keep hammering on how Indians (the bad eggs) ruined a lot of things for all of us, because this sub group actions have had ramifications for every migrant group.
Once a while, cos my badge is still valid, if I am free and need urgent 2k, I go do one or two patrol runs, and I have seen how difficult things have become for new ppl who wanna get the badge, because of excesses of predecessor's.
When I came into this country, getting sponsorship even three months after school resumption was easy easy those days....

until low trust society ppl started taking advantage of it and dropping out of school without paying the balance, using it as a bypass to "jaa"
My school lost millions from such practice
Schools complained, and now because of law changes, such privilege is gone for good.

Like I said before, as much as I hate racists, this topic is sensitive to me because of what I have seen, suffered and seeing what others have suffered as well. Once e set, everybody go collect woto woto

One more thing...
What do we think will happen to our image as Nigerians if the majority of the immigrants to the west and east over the next decade are mostly the dregs and almajiris of northern Nigeria?
Our image will immediately become that of Somalia"s and that's the truth

ferfer:
I think we need to be careful with the opinions we express here. For the sake of winning brownie points in a discussion, we may not engage in giving free rein to our biases and personal experiences, which do not create a strict hypothesis about other people. We have to do better. My people will say pounded yam consumed 20 years back can still singe one's palm or even tummy. The opinion expressed these past few pages could actually lead to some people putting their employers in a difficult position keeping them as employees. 

Secondly, we have to know that there are people wanting to migrate and are scrolling through these pages. We have deprived them of having their unique experiences (which may be positive) by pouring out our vitriol about countries and groups of people on here. We need to do better

Let's be fair and consider the opposing argument. We need not engage in making sweeping and absolute comments by putting in provisions for our own opinion being wrong.

While your overall argument is a very strong one
The bolded part of your argument is very laughable.
Nobody is hating entire groups of people here so far from the comments I have seen...
People are just saying it as it is.
Especially when it comes to Indian folks, and how the PR image they have been able to keep over time have fallen apart due to the behaviours of the dregs in their midst.

It's uncomfortable and unfortunate, but that's the truth of the matter. It's not good to stereotype people as all the same (will never do that)
but the reference here is for the dregs (who are now appearing to be the majority of new entrants), their deeds and how it is affecting everyone else

RodgersAkpafu:
One more thing...
What do we think will happen to our image as Nigerians if the majority of the immigrants to the west and east over the next decade are mostly the dregs and almajiris of northern Nigeria?
Our image will immediately become that of Somalia"s and that's the truth

The blame is on the host countries' politicians who cannot change the laws and tighten the system so they are not called racists. Or a group of people who call others racists for requesting a tightening of borders. Largely Western countries anyway. Singaporean politicians can never. Once it is not working, they change everything.

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P.S. I am glad people are now realising that humans are tribal in nature. Before, na lovey-dovey everybody dey stand on. Welcome to the club!

Gerrard59:
The blame is on the host countries' politicians who cannot change the laws and tighten the system so they are not called racists. Or a group of people who call others racists for requesting a tightening of borders. Largely Western countries anyway. Singaporean politicians can never. Once it is not working, they change everything.

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P.S. I am glad people are now realising that humans are tribal in nature. Before, na lovey-dovey everybody dey stand on. Welcome to the club!

If you are not constituting a problem where u live, I don't see how "humans are tribal " applies here

Anyways come see something
Stumbled on this a few hours ago

Lalit Modi, the fugitive founder of the Indian Premier League (IPL), openly admits to..

Hiring a guy to get him a 1550/1600 in the SAT in 1983, faking all his school grades from class 2 to 12 to be 90%+ and eventually went to Duke for his undergrad.

This Indian executive… pic.twitter.com/jLFTdjJzpT

— VICTSIN (@VICTSIN01) January 14, 2025

Look at the flippant way they are having the discussion
India(ns) are "top talent" abi
No wahalaa

RodgersAkpafu:
If you are not constituting a problem where u live, I don't see how "humans are tribal " applies here

Anyways come see something
Stumbled on this a few hours ago

Lalit Modi, the fugitive founder of the Indian Premier League (IPL), openly admits to..

Hiring a guy to get him a 1550/1600 in the SAT in 1983, faking all his school grades from class 2 to 12 to be 90%+ and eventually went to Duke for his undergrad.

This Indian executive… pic.twitter.com/jLFTdjJzpT

— VICTSIN (@VICTSIN01) January 14, 2025

Look at the flippant way they are having the discussion
India(ns) are "top talent" abi
No wahalaa

Honestly the top talent thing is a wash now that I have the opportunity of working in international firms and the things I have seen. Nigerians are so much better but no one is giving our people opportunities.

tensazangetsu20:
Honestly the top talent thing is a wash now that I have the opportunity of working in international firms and the things I have seen. Nigerians are so much better but no one is giving our people opportunities.

Things I've seen at school eh! Let's just say some people's reputation precedes them.

CsRockefeller:
Things I've seen at school eh! Let's just say some people's reputation precedes them.

"Top Talent"

RodgersAkpafu:
If you are not constituting a problem where u live, I don't see how "humans are tribal " applies here

When the economy is bad and demonic politicians control the narrative, human tribalism comes out. It happens everywhere. Someone mentioned how we pursued Ghanaians. Or should I mention how Igbos were flogged like thieves because they went out to vote in 2023?

Anyways come see something Stumbled on this a few hours ago

Lalit Modi, the fugitive founder of the Indian Premier League (IPL), openly admits to..

Hiring a guy to get him a 1550/1600 in the SAT in 1983, faking all his school grades from class 2 to 12 to be 90%+ and eventually went to Duke for his undergrad.

This Indian executive… pic.twitter.com/jLFTdjJzpT

— VICTSIN (@VICTSIN01) January 14, 2025

Look at the flippant way they are having the discussion
India(ns) are "top talent" abi
No wahalaa

Well, I am glad black people are not part of the debacle. If this expose would bring more opportunities towards our side, better. But shey the white man does not want us for historical reasons and the Chinese for Cold War reasons? Let him slug it out with dem Indians. I am just happy for the Chinese who developed their society and don't experience nonsense like this. If China too hard, enter Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea or Japan and live a comfortable life. In Vietnam, enter there and become a regional/country head of a major Chinese company. Damn! Those guys have it so good! Anytime I see a group of them, I can imagine how they revere their elites. Who wouldn't?

@Jedisco

I have nothing against indians as long as they do not behave like assistant caucasian/beter immigrants.

I work in the health sector as well, one of my top concern is most Indian doctors have not been able to pass the licencing exam here in Alberta, same with our Nigerian doctors, though our people still perform better.

Prior to relocating and up till now, I hear a lot about how superb indian doctors are, most of them now drive uber or work at call centres... they would only mention that canada is bad and it is almost impossible to practice, but wont say I have written exam twice but was unable to pass.

Is canada licensing exam so difficult for doctors? Or these indian doctors are just Grade F doctors? Kindly enlighten me. Cheers mate.

Out of 20 Nigerian/25 Indian doctors that wrote this exam recently, 5 person passed, all naija, 0 Indian. Most are now trying to go back for residency or attend a physician assistant course.

AirBay:
@Jedisco

I have nothing against indians as long as they do not behave like assistant caucasian/beter immigrants

I work in the health sector as well, one of my top concern is most Indian doctors have not been able to pass the licencing exam here in Alberta, same with our Nigerian doctors, though our people still perform better.

Prior to relocating and up till now, I hear a lot about how superb indian doctors are, most of them now drive uber or work at call centres... they would only mention that canada is bad and it is almost impossible to practice, but wont say I have written exam twice but was unable to pass.

Is canada licensing exam so difficult for doctors? Or these indian doctors are just Grade F doctors? Kindly enlighten me. Cheers mate.

Out of 20 Nigerian/25 Indian doctors that wrote this exam recently, 5 person passed, all naija, 0 Indian. Most are now trying to go back for residency or attend a physician assistant course.

Thank you!
Someone gets it!

That model minority delusion needs to be "slapped" out of their head.

Gerrard59:
Well, I am glad black people are not part of the debacle. If this expose would bring more opportunities towards our side, better. But shey the white man does not want us for historical reasons and the Chinese for Cold War reasons? Let him slug it out with dem Indians. I am just happy for the Chinese who developed their society and don't experience nonsense like this. If China too hard, enter Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea or Japan and live a comfortable life. In Vietnam, enter there and become a regional/country head of a major Chinese company. Damn! Those guys have it so good! Anytime I see a group of them, I can imagine how they revere their elites. Who wouldn't?

Don't believe that has anything to do with it.

India can produce all the talent they want without hiccups.
They have us beat by an insane margin.

Blacks simply cannot go pound for pound against the Asians in intelligence.
We are properly represented in sports and the military. Earned that.
Similarly, by merit, more Stuyvesant, Ivy, and Mag 7 spots will go to the Asians.

Traditionally, most Asian cultures enthusiastically defer to authority.
However, there's a reason the CCP reoriented from the Soviets to the West.
The West offered better economic promise which they were forced to take because they were on the clock.
Their gambit worked and they bought around half a century of stability.
Xi himself is on fraud watch

Happy new year!

-Lord

AirBay:
@Jedisco

I have nothing against indians as long as they do not behave like assistant caucasian/beter immigrants.

I work in the health sector as well, one of my top concern is most Indian doctors have not been able to pass the licencing exam here in Alberta, same with our Nigerian doctors, though our people still perform better.

Prior to relocating and up till now, I hear a lot about how superb indian doctors are, most of them now drive uber or work at call centres... they would only mention that canada is bad and it is almost impossible to practice, but wont say I have written exam twice but was unable to pass.

Is canada licensing exam so difficult for doctors? Or these indian doctors are just Grade F doctors? Kindly enlighten me. Cheers mate.

Out of 20 Nigerian/25 Indian doctors that wrote this exam recently, 5 person passed, all naija, 0 Indian. Most are now trying to go back for residency or attend a physician assistant course.

Hi boss, are you a doctor?

Gerrard59:
When the economy is bad and demonic politicians control the narrative, human tribalism comes out. It happens everywhere. Someone mentioned how we pursued Ghanaians. Or should I mention how Igbos were flogged like thieves because they went out to vote in 2023?

Well, I am glad black people are not part of the debacle. If this expose would bring more opportunities towards our side, better. But shey the white man does not want us for historical reasons and the Chinese for Cold War reasons? Let him slug it out with dem Indians. I am just happy for the Chinese who developed their society and don't experience nonsense like this. If China too hard, enter Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea or Japan and live a comfortable life. In Vietnam, enter there and become a regional/country head of a major Chinese company. Damn! Those guys have it so good! Anytime I see a group of them, I can imagine how they revere their elites. Who wouldn't?

communism is working

RodgersAkpafu:
Everything I said is the damn truth, and if u feel sone kind of way about it *shrugs*

You're rambling and spamming this page- more like displaying emotional tantrums.

Still didn't answer my questions

1. Have you bothered to ask you gods on X who call Indians names what they think about you?

2. If those racist folks call you a monkey, what would you say? I guess nod and say they're right?

jedisco:
You're rambling and spamming this page- more like displaying emotional tantrums.

Still didn't answer my questions

1. Have you bothered to ask you gods on X who call Indians names what they think about you?

2. If those racist folks call you a monkey, what would you say? I guess nod and say they're right?

And you are being a delusional fellow who has been fooled by the PR of Indians being the "model minority" and sticking out your neck for ppl who think worse of you than even the supposed white racists that we both despise

I have a question for you
The supposed Indians you really fawn over and simping for, you really think they will speak up for you or they will join these racist scum in abusing u as well.
You are very naive
And this is me being polite to you

All I have said is the TRUTH that can be verified by multiple people,
And you cannot refute even half of what I have posted
Afterall, you are the one who believe that we have a refinery because of them, and we owe India $20 billion, which is over half of pure current FX reserves


Anyways your own case seems to be a lost cause so yours is out the way

To fellow Nigwrians who seek to immigrate to the west, please don't be like jedisco.
Shine your eyes and treat these guys the same way they treat us, as opps

It's better to err on the side of caution than to be caught flat footed like some of our Nigerians have been caught

A British Nigerian is currently in jail in dubai because the mom of an Indian girl who he was seeing maliciously got him in the predicament after taking her own kid to safety

I'm sure his parents thought like jedisco, sharing such an info with her 🙄
How did it end?

Hopefully this is my last post to you on this matter
It's the newbies I worry about now
Be careful
shine your eyes

@Gerrard59
@tensazangetsu20


P.S.
To answer your question 1
I don't care what those racists think about me, I'm not looking for their approval, and don't delude myself into thinking racist can ever like me.
That post simply to dispel that delusional thought of yours that the west is not fed up with Indians

Apparently you are still star struck by their supposed "success" that the point flew over your head

And to answer your second question
That is not an assertion someone who claims to be educated makes.
Being star struck by these guys made you not comprehend the point made.

Anyways, I wish you the best 🤞

AirBay:
@Jedisco

I have nothing against indians as long as they do not behave like assistant caucasian/beter immigrants.

Finally something coherent to work with. Lol @ your first statement.

I must say I'm not fully abrest with the current licencing situation in Canada. But its worth knowing that the medical system for most nations in the anglosphere is closed-loop. I.e There are significant bottlenecks purposely placed to severely limit numbers they take in - some are due to funding issues but many due to medical colleges limiting numbers to maintain high pay. Passing the exam is the easy part, getting into the system is what matters. If there are only 50 slots a year, it doesn't matter if 1000 people pass an exam. I know at least 5 folks who passed the Canadian licensing exam but had to leave and specialise in other countries cos they couldn't get in. I've also taken the exam (not that I needed to), passed on first attempt with much to spare and certainly wouldn't class it as a hard medical exam.
The downside of such bottlenecks, is that if not managed well as is the case in Australia and Canada, the government is ultimately forced to seek specialised healthcare professionals elsewhere which both mentioned countries are doing now.

Secondly, Nigerian medics do equally well as Indians in written medical exams and even better in orals. Like you said, I think part of the reason for the issues here is that many of us grew up thinking other races were better than us and are surprised when they get to the West and see that there's nothing special about one cohort and we can equally stand our ground and better them in many ways. There is no inate special characteristic about British, American, Indian or Nigerian doctors. Like I've said on occasions, the main differentiating factor between me and an almajiri would manytimes be opportunity- not inate ability.


Just as we should avoid using slurs against people, we also should avoid diefying people which I think some might have understood my posts for. If a group is performing well, you can decide to hate them and look for excuses for your state. However, in many instances you put in same effort, you'd achieve same result. Thats the whole point of this conversation.

Just as we should avoid using slurs against people, we also should avoid diefying people which I think some might have understood my posts for. If a group is performing well, you can decide to hate them and look for excuses for your state. However, in many instances you put in same effort, you'd achieve same result. Thats the whole point of this conversation.

I thought as much
Star struck


Anyways its just a shame that we as a people cannot work together
We are all doing "solo" race and are quick to "out" each other
Our success will be more amplified if we can get past all the pettiness and freaking work together as a people, like "those people" do

That's the only MAJOR difference
Nor that anyone is special

"avoid deifying people"
Thank you !!!!

LordAdam16:
Don't believe that has anything to do with it.

India can produce all the talent they want without hiccups.
They have us beat by an insane margin.

Blacks simply cannot go pound for pound against the Asians in intelligence.
We are properly represented in sports and the military. Earned that.
Similarly, by merit, more Stuyvesant, Ivy, and Mag 7 spots will go to the Asians.

Traditionally, most Asian cultures enthusiastically defer to authority.

However, there's a reason the CCP reoriented from the Soviets to the West.
The West offered better economic promise which they were forced to take because they were on the clock.
Their gambit worked and they bought around half a century of stability.
Xi himself is on fraud watch

Happy new year!

-Lord

First bolded is not true
It is a primary function of priorities
That's what determined these group outcomes
The Asian guy doesn't see himself from an early age in rap videos or in the NBA or things like that
What is being fed to him, (stereotypically) and the cultural priorities are is the "need pipeline"
The black man is opposite.... our cultural priorities plus what is being fed to the kids from childhood is what is making them gravitate towards that "side of the fence"
Add irresponsible government that does not prioritise or invest in education....

As for the second bolded
that is very very very true

RodgersAkpafu:
First bolded is not true
It is a primary function of priorities
That's what determined these group outcomes
The Asian guy doesn't see himself from an early age in rap videos or in the NBA or things like that
What is being fed to him, (stereotypically) and the cultural priorities are is the "need pipeline"
The black man is opposite.... our cultural priorities plus what is being fed to the kids from childhood is what is making them gravitate towards that "side of the fence"
Add irresponsible government that does not prioritise or invest in education....

It is true.
You're sharing reasons why it is our unfortunate reality and making a bold assertion that a culture shift will remedy the lopsidedness.
That's an hypothetical. A culture shift will absolutely have a positive effect. We see it in immigrant vs native black populations.
Would it level us up with the Asians who are overrepresented in the elite high schools and colleges, we'll never know.

Sadly, they need talent today.
Not just the West. The Gulf employs a lot of Nigerian doctors. If we had more exceptional talent to offer, they'll roll the red carpet.
Worst-case, if the influx is rattling natives, they'll flood Africa with outposts and campuses. Which will collectively be sort of a sieve or talent pipeline.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
It is true.
You're sharing reasons why it is our unfortunate reality and making a bold assertion that a culture shift will remedy the lopsidedness.
That's an hypothetical. A shift will absolutely have a positive effect. We see it in immigrant vs native black populations.
Would it level us up with the Asians who are overrepresented in the elite high schools and colleges, we'll never know.

Sadly, they need talent today.
Not just the West. The Gulf employs a lot of Nigerian doctors. If we had more exceptional talent to offer, they'll roll the red carpet.
Worst-case, if the influx is rattling natives, they'll flood Africa with outposts and campuses. Which will collectively be sort of a sieve or talent pipeline.

-Lord

Investment Banks in Britain recruit directly from my alma mater every year
That's talent
Many of us are out here doing our own bit in different fields of endeavors, and are very good, making their mark out there
And for every race of people, its a normal distribution curve
The 10% or what I always like to call the top decile, putting the work and being the "reps" of each group

I'm glad you acknowledged that the cultural shift definitely produce good outcomes
Unfortunately the African elite are fine with the status quo and will do all it takes to not promote mass, qualitative education for its teeming populace
The Asians on the other hand culturally prioritise these things, even to the detriment of their social skills and emotional needs..
That's why over the last three decades, Asian suicides top Africa own by a long shot

Like u said
What happens in the future is left to be seen

RodgersAkpafu:
Investment Banks in Britain recruit directly from my alma mater every year
That's talent
Many of us are out here doing our own bit in different fields of endeavors, and are very good, making their mark out there
And for every race of people, its a normal distribution curve
The 10% or what I always like to call the top decile, putting the work and being the "reps" of each group

I'm glad you acknowledged that the cultural shift definitely produce good outcomes
Unfortunately the African elite are fine with the status quo and will do all it takes to not promote mass, qualitative education for its teeming populace
The Asians on the other hand culturally prioritise these things, even to the detriment of their social skills and emotional needs..
That's why over the last three decades, Asian suicides top Africa own by a long shot

Like u said
What happens in the future is left to be seen

An investment bank doing bend-down-select is different from Goldman Sachs spending $7B and employing tens of thousands directly and through its GCCs in India.
India's population is 1.4B. Asia's is 5B. All of Africa is 1.5B.
On top of that, a redditor compiled the per capita representation of races at elite colleges in the US.
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/qyvf3m/racial_preferences_at_elite_american_universities/

It's not even close.
You're trying to compare a local supplier of a bodega to a national supplier of Walmart.
We're operating at different wavelengths.

US engineering graduates: 70,000 per year. India: 350,000. China: 600,000.
That's why China can decide to create three new Starlink competitors concurrently and it's a regular Tuesday.
You become an adjunct professor, become a VP, rise to Principal SWE, start a practice, and now you feel your pond is the Pacific.

Asians are not competing with Blacks.
We might aspire to. But there's an insane existing talent gap that make Asians a no-brainer for talent acquisition.
Top 15% of India matches Nigeria's entire population. It'll amount to fiduciary negligence to skip that huge talent pool to wade in a puddle.

Cognizant has 336,300 employees.
Founded in India. Headquartered in New Jersey.
It's a trojan horse for Indians to enter the NA workforce. One of the largest beneficiaries of H1Bs.
That's talent. Put differently, that's an abundance of talent that we simply cannot match.

There is no Wakanda of black geniuses that the West, Gulf, and hopefully in the future SE Asia are ignoring because of deep-seated biases.
Do we have a smattering of exceptional talent? Yes.
But it's a drop in the ocean and has no material effect on Asia's status as the #1 repository of talent.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
An investment bank doing bend-down-select is different from Goldman Sachs spending $7B and employing tens of thousands directly and through its GCCs in India.
India's population is 1.4B. Asia's is 5B. All of Africa is 1.5B.
On top of that, a redditor compiled the per capita representation of races at elite colleges in the US.
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/qyvf3m/racial_preferences_at_elite_american_universities/

It's not even close.
You're trying to compare a local supplier of a bodega to a national supplier of Walmart.
We're operating at different wavelengths.

US engineering graduates: 70,000 per year. India: 350,000. China: 600,000.
That's why China can decide to create three new Starlink competitors concurrently and it's a regular Tuesday.
You become an adjunct professor, become a VP, rise to Principal SWE, start a practice, and now you feel your pond is the Pacific.

Asians are not competing with Blacks.
We might aspire to. But there's an insane existing talent gap that make Asians a no-brainer for talent acquisition.
Top 15% of India matches Nigeria's entire population. It'll amount to fiduciary negligence to skip that huge talent pool to wade in a puddle.

Cognizant has 336,300 employees.
Founded in India. Headquartered in New Jersey.
It's a trojan horse for Indians to enter the NA workforce. One of the largest beneficiaries of H1Bs.
That's talent. Put differently, that's an abundance of talent that we simply cannot match.

There is no Wakanda of black geniuses that the West, Gulf, and hopefully in the future SE Asia are ignoring because of deep-seated biases.
Do we have a smattering of exceptional talent? Yes.
But it's a drop in the ocean and has no material effect on Asia's status as the #1 repository of talent.

-Lord

When you have an elite shamelessly defending almajirit system, what happens to be the result untrained and unutilised talent.
Or under investing in our unis to the point they go on strike every two years? What do we expect?
Like I said
Let the cultural tide change and you will see the exponential difference
In the right environments, nigerians (and Africans) can mass produce ans export talent (doctors engineers etc)
Even the "little" like you have derogatorily refereed to in multiple descriptive ways like below:

You become an adjunct professor, become a VP, rise to Principal SWE, start a practice, and now you feel your pond is the Pacific.
(which i consider laughable because we don't get to those heights without being good ourselves)

They are out there doing very very well considering the circumstances we come from, and the demons we have to fight and still fighting

The Chinese ambassador has visited my university twice, and engaged with the senior staff and the Chinese students here (who are my oh my, a massive lot) I got to find out about how much support they get from their govt (even those from wealthy homes) ans I cursed 🤬 the Nigerian elite/government back home
How do you expect an average Nigerian with commensurate aptitude to compete against that ?

Even India has structures to support their students albeit oa much lower scale than the Chinese and a lot of private sector support
Which one do we have?

These are the things I want you to have in mind, anytime you are making scorching remarks about Nigeria and Africans on this talent issue
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JIREN01:
Hi boss, are you a doctor?

Hello Chief, No