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Many foreign journalists complain annually of prostitution in Mecca during hajj, it is because they don't understand the divine backing of what goes on.

Even with stringent terms of Sharia which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut'ah, the jurisdiction will have less or no power to sanction them.

What is Mut'ah?
If he is a traveller, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This "marriage" is known as mut'ah or the law of "Desire" or "pleasure".

Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires.


I will update with details later.
Now Updated:::


MUT'A: DIVINE PROSTITUTION?

Again, if he is a traveler, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This 'marriage' is known as mut'ah or the Law of Desire. The word mut'ah means 'desire' or 'pleasure'. Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires. Some regard as an example of the kingdom of Allah on earth, especially, under Khomeini. Since the Sharia, the Islamic legal system, became fully operational in Iran in 1979, mut'ah has been revitalized. Many Iranian women (most of them divorcees) are engaged in mut'ah for economic sustenance. According to a research work done by an Iranian woman, Shahla Haeri, mut'ah flourishes in Iran and Egypt today. Some Islamic scholars in Iran believe that one is even free to contract many mut'ahs at the same time—apart from the four wives and slave girls or house-helps the Muslim man may have at home.

Historian Burkhardt has pointed out that mut'ah was already prevalent in Arabia before Mohammed started his preaching. The custom was that a host would normally offer a female relative of his to his guest for the night. The 'marriage' ended the following morning or as long as the guest stayed there. When the practice became fully developed in Islam, it became an arrangement between a man and an unmarried woman, preferably, a virgin, divorcee or widow in which the partners specify in advance the period that the relationship shall last and the amount of money to be paid by the man. Witnesses are not required nor parents involved; the marriage need not be registered. By mutual agreement of the partners, this 'marriage' can last from one hour or as long as the partner want. At the end of the agreed time, the temporary 'spouses' part without any formality or divorce ceremony.

The woman, after separation, must abstain from sex for two months to know who actually fathered the child that may result from the acts. This practice is common, especially among tourists, pilgrims, and visitors. With such a provision, one does not have to travel with one's wife to avoid adultery.

A modern Muslim who grew or was educated in America or Europe may contend that mut'ah is just an invention of some weak Iranian or Egyptian men and not an approved practice of Islam. Let us consult on the Islamic authority to lay the matter to rest. Commenting on Surah 4:24, Al-Razi, one of the greatest Islamic thinkers, says:

Mut'ah marriage involved a man hiring a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a specific amount of money for a certain period of time to have sex with her. The scholars agree that this Mut'ah marriage was authorized in the beginning of Islam. It is reported that when the Prophet came to mecca to perform 'Omrah, the women of Mecca dressed up and adorned themselves. The Companion (that is, the followers of Mohammed) complained to the Prophet that they had not had sex for a long time, so he said to them: "enjoy these women".

In the Hadith Mishkat-ul-Masabih, we read:
Ibn Mas'ud reported: We were fighting along with the Messenger of Allah while (our) wives were not with us. We said, 'shall we not undergo castration?' The Holy Prophet forbade us from that. Afterwards, he made lawful Mut'ah Marriage. So all of us married a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a cloth. Afterwards, Abdullah (i.e., servant of Allah, Mohammed) recited: O those who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made for you. (Surah 5:87)
(Mishkat, Book 2, Hadith no.115).

That means the revelation of Allah recorded in that Surah 5:87 quoted in that Hadith came to give a divine approval on Mut’ah. If Allah is the one that gave these instructions through Mohammed, we need to ask if indeed Allah is the same God that reveals Himself in the Bible, or he is the Olodumare that the Yoruba know. When every year foreign journalists complain of prostitution in Mecca during the hajj, it is because they do not understand the divine backing of what goes on. To the Christian, all this automatically nullifies God's clear injunction: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." To a Muslim, such a commandment is vague. Mut’ah makes the words ‘adultery’, ‘fornication’, and ‘prostitution’ very difficult to define. It makes a mockery of the Islamic legal system called Shariah which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut’ah, how would the jurists disprove them?




(Steropes pushed me into these topics and I'll help him/her with more than enough)
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1. Mut'ah: A Divine Prostitution
2. Kaaba Of The Bedouin Tribes
3. Islam Is Idolatry And Paganism?
4. Can You Marry Or Give Out Your 9 Year Old Daughter In Marriage?

Again, all these expositions are in response to sterope probes. I already told her I will not like to argue or debate about anything, but yeah, the game is on already.

I heard many people converted from Islam after returning from pilgrimage just for this one reason.

I hope sterope and friend will have something to say about this Thread.

In Summary: The thread discusses Mut'ah marriage, a temporary union in Islamic tradition allowing a man to marry a woman for a specified period in exchange for money, without formalities like witnesses or registration. Historically practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia, it was later permitted by Prophet Muhammad, as referenced in Islamic texts and supported by some scholars using Surah 4:24. Critics argue that Mut'ah complicates Islamic laws on adultery and prostitution, undermines Sharia, and contradicts even Biblical moral teachings, raising questions about its divine approval. The practice remains controversial and widely debated within and outside the Muslim world.

UncleAyo:
In Summary: The thread discusses Mut'ah marriage, a temporary union in Islamic tradition allowing a man to marry a woman for a specified period in exchange for money, without formalities like witnesses or registration. Historically practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia, it was later permitted by Prophet Muhammad, as referenced in Islamic texts and supported by some scholars using Surah 4:24. Critics argue that Mut'ah complicates Islamic laws on adultery and prostitution, undermines Sharia, and contradicts even Biblical moral teachings, raising questions about its divine approval. The practice remains controversial and widely debated within and outside the Muslim world.

Glad you started with the truth but diverted in later discussion.

Mut'ah did predate Islam and was initially permitted, it was ultimately prohibited by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as part of the comprehensive reform of pre-Islamic practices.

istamtaʿtum in the verse 4:24 is often understood as referring to the lawful enjoyment of marital relations not temporal marriage

Mutah is practiced mostly by the Shia sect. Although widely condemned by the majority Sunni' faction, they practice something similar called misyar. Is there evidence for "abrogation"?


TV

It is never abolished, they still practice it today. They do it even during hajj in Mecca.

TV01:
Mutah is practiced mostly by the Shia sect. Although widely condemned by the majority Sunni' faction, they practice something similar called misyar. Is there evidence for "abrogation"?


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TV01:
Mutah is practiced mostly by the Shia sect. Although widely condemned by the majority Sunni' faction, they practice something similar called misyar. Is there evidence for "abrogation"?


TV

Misyar however it's seen is clearly different from Mutah.

Ali reported that Allah's Messenger pbuh forbade Mut'ah and the eating of the flesh of domestic donkeys on the day of Khaybar."
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1407)

The Messenger of Allah pbuh said: 'O people! I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women. But Allah has forbidden it until the Day of Resurrection. So, anyone who has such a woman in his possession, he should let her go, and do not take anything of what you have given them.'"
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1406)

UncleAyo:
Many foreign journalists complain annually of prostitution in Mecca during hajj, it is because they don't understand the divine backing of what goes on.

Even with stringent terms of Sharia which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut'ah, the jurisdiction will have less or no power to sanction them.

What is Mut'ah?
If he is a traveller, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This "marriage" is known as mut'ah or the law of "Desire" or "pleasure".

Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires.


I will update with details later.
Now Updated:::


MUT'A: DIVINE PROSTITUTION?

Again, if he is a traveler, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This 'marriage' is known as mut'ah or the Law of Desire. The word mut'ah means 'desire' or 'pleasure'. Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires. Some regard as an example of the kingdom of Allah on earth, especially, under Khomeini. Since the Sharia, the Islamic legal system, became fully operational in Iran in 1979, mut'ah has been revitalized. Many Iranian women (most of them divorcees) are engaged in mut'ah for economic sustenance. According to a research work done by an Iranian woman, Shahla Haeri, mut'ah flourishes in Iran and Egypt today. Some Islamic scholars in Iran believe that one is even free to contract many mut'ahs at the same time—apart from the four wives and slave girls or house-helps the Muslim man may have at home.

Historian Burkhardt has pointed out that mut'ah was already prevalent in Arabia before Mohammed started his preaching. The custom was that a host would normally offer a female relative of his to his guest for the night. The 'marriage' ended the following morning or as long as the guest stayed there. When the practice became fully developed in Islam, it became an arrangement between a man and an unmarried woman, preferably, a virgin, divorcee or widow in which the partners specify in advance the period that the relationship shall last and the amount of money to be paid by the man. Witnesses are not required nor parents involved; the marriage need not be registered. By mutual agreement of the partners, this 'marriage' can last from one hour or as long as the partner want. At the end of the agreed time, the temporary 'spouses' part without any formality or divorce ceremony.

The woman, after separation, must abstain from sex for two months to know who actually fathered the child that may result from the acts. This practice is common, especially among tourists, pilgrims, and visitors. With such a provision, one does not have to travel with one's wife to avoid adultery.

A modern Muslim who grew or was educated in America or Europe may contend that mut'ah is just an invention of some weak Iranian or Egyptian men and not an approved practice of Islam. Let us consult on the Islamic authority to lay the matter to rest. Commenting on Surah 4:24, Al-Razi, one of the greatest Islamic thinkers, says:

Mut'ah marriage involved a man hiring a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a specific amount of money for a certain period of time to have sex with her. The scholars agree that this Mut'ah marriage was authorized in the beginning of Islam. It is reported that when the Prophet came to mecca to perform 'Omrah, the women of Mecca dressed up and adorned themselves. The Companion (that is, the followers of Mohammed) complained to the Prophet that they had not had sex for a long time, so he said to them: "enjoy these women".

In the Hadith Mishkat-ul-Masabih, we read:
Ibn Mas'ud reported: We were fighting along with the Messenger of Allah while (our) wives were not with us. We said, 'shall we not undergo castration?' The Holy Prophet forbade us from that. Afterwards, he made lawful Mut'ah Marriage. So all of us married a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a cloth. Afterwards, Abdullah (i.e., servant of Allah, Mohammed) recited: O those who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made for you. (Surah 5:87)
(Mishkat, Book 2, Hadith no.115).

That means the revelation of Allah recorded in that Surah 5:87 quoted in that Hadith came to give a divine approval on Mut’ah. If Allah is the one that gave these instructions through Mohammed, we need to ask if indeed Allah is the same God that reveals Himself in the Bible, or he is the Olodumare that the Yoruba know. When every year foreign journalists complain of prostitution in Mecca during the hajj, it is because they do not understand the divine backing of what goes on. To the Christian, all this automatically nullifies God's clear injunction: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." To a Muslim, such a commandment is vague. Mut’ah makes the words ‘adultery’, ‘fornication’, and ‘prostitution’ very difficult to define. It makes a mockery of the Islamic legal system called Shariah which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut’ah, how would the jurists disprove them?




(Steropes pushed me into these topics and I'll help him/her with more than enough)
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Book reverence: Who Is This Allah?
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Previous threads:
Kaaba of Beduion Tribes: https://www.nairaland.com/8312802/kaaba-bedouin-tribes

You just wasted your time to create a thread, When there are Hadith that outrightly forbid mut'ah.

Did u not make a diligent research?

Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

Have you help me fing Taqqiya

Qasim6:
You just wasted your time to create a thread, When there are Hadith that outrightly forbid mut'ah.

Did u not make a diligent research?

Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

UncleAyo:
Have you help me fing Taqqiya

Yeah, once you get exposed for your nonsense, u play the nonexistent Taqiyya card.

You can crawl back into your hole now.

Maybe I'll need to read your previous contribution one more time. And come back to edit this my reply...

Qasim6:
Yeah, once you get exposed for your nonsense, u play the nonexistent Taqiyya card.

UncleAyo:
It is never abolished, they still practice it today.

Certainly not in the Koran - although I stand to be corrected? - hence the ongoing dispute.

UncleAyo:
They do it even during hajj in Mecca.

I had heard of sexual impropriety during the hajj, but not sought to explore further. I wouldn't have thought it took the form of mutah given how Sunni' rail against it?

The notion of mutah is at odds with adultery\fornication being sinful. Mutah, along with polygyny, sex slavery, appear to me be saying "it is but it isn't" or "it is, but here're some riders to help you get around it.

This partially informs my view of Islam having no "objective morality". I don't get a true sense of there being right or wrong. The guiding principle appears to be "forbidden or permitted".

The way both mutah and misyar seem to at once codify prostitution into law and reduce marriage to essentially the same level, begs so many questions. Especially since even in it's highest form, Islamic marriage is at best a transactional arrangement.

And to be frank, the driving imperative seems to be sex (and making it readily available to men). This ties into the overall treatment of women. I'm yet to figure out if Islam hates them or fears them more? It certainly appears to traduce them, deny them agency and persistently oppress them.


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Explore2xmore:
Misyar however it's seen is clearly different from Mutah.

Really? How? In outcome they both make sex available - primarily to men, where it should be forbidden.

Explore2xmore:
Ali reported that Allah's Messenger pbuh forbade Mut'ah and the eating of the flesh of domestic donkeys on the day of Khaybar."
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1407)

The Messenger of Allah pbuh said: 'O people! I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women. But Allah has forbidden it until the Day of Resurrection. So, anyone who has such a woman in his possession, he should let her go, and do not take anything of what you have given them.'"
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1406)

Hadith are not revelation. In round terms barely 1% of the written hadith are accepted, and even these are not universally agreed - within or between sects. They are typically deployed as a convenience or denied as suits. I find the whole notion of "hadith science" questionable at best.

And note the hadith quoted. Allowed in the past, forbidden then, but to be re-introduced later - not objectively moral.


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TV01:
Really? How? In outcome they both make sex available - primarily to men, where it should be forbidden.


Hadith are not revelation. In round terms barely 1% of the written hadith are accepted, and even these are not universally agreed - within or between sects. They are typically deployed as a convenience or denied as suits. I find the whole notion of "hadith science" questionable at best.

And note the hadith quoted. [s]Allowed in the past, forbidden then, but to be re-introduced later - not objectively moral[/s].


TV

Please learn more about the Misyar you brought up.

This was tied to the socio-economic structure of slavery in historical societies.

Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:5-7) and Surah Al-Ma’arij (70:29-31) highlight that sexual relations are only allowed within the framework of a permanent marriage or with those whom your right hands possess. Those whom the right hand posses refer to concubines in that historical context. Temporary arrangements such as Mut'ah are not included in this allowance.

Relations with those referred to as whom the right hand posses were not time-bound. The relationship was not temporary like Mut'ah but part of the larger context of slavery, with provisions for eventual emancipation.

Explore2xmore:
Glad you started with the truth but diverted in later discussion.

Mut'ah did predate Islam and was initially permitted, it was ultimately prohibited by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as part of the comprehensive reform of pre-Islamic practices.

istamtaʿtum in the verse 4:24 is often understood as referring to the lawful enjoyment of marital relations not temporal marriage

Allah permitted the Prostitution of Mutah but cancelled Adoption.

Can you see that Allah is Iblis in disguise?

Explore2xmore:
istamtaʿtum in the verse 4:24 is often understood as referring to the lawful enjoyment of marital relations not temporal marriage

No sir.
This is untrue, does a man pay the agreed fee to his wife for sex!?
No!

Allah gave the law for halal prostitution
Mohammed later cancelled or overuled Allah's law by cancelling Mutah.

Qasim6:
You just wasted your time to create a thread, When there are Hadith that outrightly forbid mut'ah.

Did u not make a diligent research?

Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

Meaning that your Hadith is now superior to the Qur'an.
Allah gave you a command and the hadith say the opposite: which should you follow?

Allah or Mohammed?

Explore2xmore:
Please learn more about the Misyar you brought up.

This may not be definitive, but a starting point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misyar_marriage - one thing is clear, it is still much debated and nowhere close to being settled in the Islamic world. Happy to be enlightened further.

Explore2xmore:
This was tied to the socio-economic structure of slavery in historical societies.

Is Islam not valid for all peoples, everywhere for all times? As misyar is practised in the present day, slavery does not appear to be a driver, or even in view in any meaningful way.

Explore2xmore:
Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:5-7) and Surah Al-Ma’arij (70:29-31) highlight that sexual relations are only allowed within the framework of a permanent marriage or with those whom your right hands possess. Those whom the right hand posses refer to concubines in that historical context. Temporary arrangements such as Mut'ah are not included in this allowance.

Concubines aka sex slaves? If these temporary arrangements are "temporary in application", why are they still extant in various guises and the subject of much debate to this day?

Explore2xmore:
Relations with those referred to as whom the right hand posses were not time-bound. The relationship was not temporary like Mut'ah but part of the larger context of slavery, with provisions for eventual emancipation.

Noted for discussion purposes, but without backing, assertions at best. Further, this does not present an "objective morality", or show that both these practices and derivatives are anything more than "slip roads" make sex available.


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TV01:
This may not be definitive, but a starting point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misyar_marriage - one thing is clear, it is still much debated and nowhere close to being settled in the Islamic world. Happy to be enlightened further.


Is Islam not valid for all peoples, everywhere for all times? As misyar is practised in the present day, slavery does not appear to be a driver, or even in view in any meaningful way.


Concubines aka sex slaves? If these temporary arrangements are "temporary in application", why are they still extant in various guises and the subject of much debate to this day?


Noted for discussion purposes, but without backing, assertions at best. Further, this does not present an "objective morality", or show that both these practices and derivatives are anything more than "slip roads" make sex available.
TV

Do a lot better than Wikipedia.

Islam is real and practical. At the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh an effective means of correcting social ills is seen. It wasn't draconian. Consider the stages to forbidding consumption of alcohol as an example.

The term sex slave implies coercion and abuse, which is categorically forbidden in Islam. Captives who made up those whom the right hand posses often became integrated into families, were treated with kindness, and were eventually freed.

Those whom your right hands possess in Islam was a regulated system meant to provide rights and dignity to captives, not to exploit them. It was a significant step in reforming pre-Islamic practices and ultimately led to the abolition of slavery within Islamic societies.

Ma Malakat Aimanukum should be understood within its linguistic context as encompassing various forms of relationships and possessions rather than being narrowly defined as referring only to female slaves. It
is gender-neutral and can refer to both male and female captives.

It can be understood as referring to individuals who are under one’s rightful possession or care. While classical interpretations have leaned towards slavery, contemporary scholars argue that this should be viewed through a lens of marital contracts rather than ownership in the traditional sense.

Lisan-ul-Arab by Ibn-Manzoor Vol. 13 also details this phrase to mean to marry.

The verse below refutes most of your claims. Claiming "gender-neutrality" as posited, would actually suggests that same-sex marriage is a thing in Islam. Most mainstream Muslims would consider this heretical.

As for the point about "abolition of slavery in Islam", that is ahistorical at best. Saudi Arabia reluctantly ended slavery in the early 1960's forced by the British. Slavery is still extant in parts of the Muslim world. And please, spare me the the "society not religion" trope.

It's hard to see this response as anything more than an attempt to massage or whitewash the true meaning and intent contained within the Islamic scriptures. There is no true sense of classic vs. contemporary positions in Islam. Certainly not in it's mainstream beliefs and outworking.

Understand the desire to present the religion in the best light possible. I find most presentations of Islam are based on unfounded assertions and trumped up claims. The Koran, hadiths and narratives often contradict, with great effort spent to explain the differences.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
١ قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ1 Successful indeed are the believers
٢ الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ2 Who are humble in their prayers,
٣ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ3 And who shun vain conversation,
٤ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُونَ4 And who are payers of the poor-due;
٥ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ5 And who guard their modesty -
٦ إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
٧ فَمَنِ ابْتَغَىٰ وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ7 But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -

Explore2xmore:
Do a lot better than Wikipedia.

Islam is real and practical. At the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh an effective means of correcting social ills is seen. It wasn't draconian. Consider the stages to forbidding consumption of alcohol as an example.

The term sex slave implies coercion and abuse, which is categorically forbidden in Islam. Captives who made up those whom the right hand posses often became integrated into families, were treated with kindness, and were eventually freed.

Those whom your right hands possess in Islam was a regulated system meant to provide rights and dignity to captives, not to exploit them. It was a significant step in reforming pre-Islamic practices and ultimately led to the abolition of slavery within Islamic societies.

Ma Malakat Aimanukum should be understood within its linguistic context as encompassing various forms of relationships and possessions rather than being narrowly defined as referring only to female slaves. It
is gender-neutral and can refer to both male and female captives.

It can be understood as referring to individuals who are under one’s rightful possession or care. While classical interpretations have leaned towards slavery, contemporary scholars argue that this should be viewed through a lens of marital contracts rather than ownership in the traditional sense.

Lisan-ul-Arab by Ibn-Manzoor Vol. 13 also details this phrase to mean to marry.

TV

TV01:
The verse below refutes most of your claims. Claiming "gender-neutrality" as posited, would actually suggests that same-sex marriage is a thing in Islam. Most mainstream Muslims would consider this heretical.

As for the point about "abolition of slavery in Islam", that is ahistorical at best. Saudi Arabia reluctantly ended slavery in the early 1960's forced by the British. Slavery is still extant in parts of the Muslim world. And please, spare me the the "society not religion" trope.

It's hard to see this response as anything more than an attempt to massage or whitewash the true meaning and intent contained within the Islamic scriptures. There is no true sense of classic vs. contemporary positions in Islam. Certainly not in it's mainstream beliefs and outworking.

Understand the desire to present the religion in the best light possible. I find most presentations of Islam are based on unfounded assertions and trumped up claims. The Koran, hadiths and narratives often contradict, with great effort spent to explain the differences.

بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
١ قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ1 Successful indeed are the believers
٢ الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ2 Who are humble in their prayers,
٣ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ3 And who shun vain conversation,
٤ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُونَ4 And who are payers of the poor-due;
٥ وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ5 And who guard their modesty -
٦ إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
٧ فَمَنِ ابْتَغَىٰ وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ7 But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -

TV

Would you say the verse refers exclusively to males?

In classical Arabic, the masculine plural is used to refer to groups that may include men and women. This is a common grammatical feature in the language and does not mean gender identification unless this is clarified by context.


Saudi Arabia is the custodian of the two holy mosques in Makkah and Madinah, Saudi Arabia holds a vital position in supporting Hajj and Umrah while also safeguarding Islamic heritage. Nonetheless, the country's socio-political choices, modernization initiatives, and interpretations of Islamic law are shaped by its distinct historical and cultural background, rather than serving as a definitive representation of Islam.

There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor of a white person over a black person, nor of a black person over a white person, except by taqwa (piety)." (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 23489)

Quran 49:13 O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted

The best of you are those who are best in character" (Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1162).

Thanks for your response.

None of this addresses the outworking of mutah and misyar as widely practiced in Islam today. Or the fact that they are both thinly-veiled means to sanctify illicit sex.

As stated, it informs my thinking that Islam has no objective morality, only the halal\haram notion'


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Explore2xmore:
Would you say the verse refers exclusively to males?

In classical Arabic, the masculine plural is used to refer to groups that may include men and women. This is a common grammatical feature in the language and does not mean gender identification unless this is clarified by context.


Saudi Arabia is the custodian of the two holy mosques in Makkah and Madinah, Saudi Arabia holds a vital position in supporting Hajj and Umrah while also safeguarding Islamic heritage. Nonetheless, the country's socio-political choices, modernization initiatives, and interpretations of Islamic law are shaped by its distinct historical and cultural background, rather than serving as a definitive representation of Islam.

There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor of a white person over a black person, nor of a black person over a white person, except by taqwa (piety)." (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 23489)

Quran 49:13 O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted

The best of you are those who are best in character" (Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1162).

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Thanks for your response.

None of this addresses the outworking of mutah and misyar as widely practiced in Islam today. Or the fact that they are both thinly-veiled means to sanctify illicit sex.

As stated, it informs my thinking that Islam has no objective morality, only the halal\haram notion'


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However you define and understand is your entitlement.

Temporal or arranged marriages is part of human existence from history to date despite what is commanded against it. It is one of many points of mankind's arrogance at temporal gain or pleasure.

Sahih Muslim 1406 h
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle pbuh prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.

That some will twist and misinterprete the directives is not in any way strange, alas! At the end everyone will know and be rewarded

Explore2xmore:
However you define and understand is your entitlement.

Likewise for everyone

Explore2xmore:
Temporal or arranged marriages is part of human existence from history to date despite what is commanded against it. It is one of many points of mankind's arrogance at temporal gain or pleasure.

Is illicit sex sin? Are temporary marriages (adultery by any other name) illicit and mere covers for illicit sin? Can sin be sanctified?

Explore2xmore:
Sahih Muslim 1406 h
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle pbuh prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.

That some will twist and misinterprete the directives is not in any way strange, alas! At the end everyone will know and be rewarded

There was no abrogation in the koran. Hadiths are problematic in all sorts of ways (not least due to being prohibited in the koran. They are mostly fabricated, due to political reasons. Not agreed on, and in many cases contradictory to the koran.

That being said, my thrust is the outworking mutah and misyar (and derivatives) are widely practised in the Islamic world. Apart from being sinful, it's regressive. Why can Islam not self-correct?


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