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BlueRayDick:
I don't know how player signing at Arsenal is done specifically.

But I do know that for most clubs, the manager will drop multiple names of players he desires the club to sign. The club will then try to sign some of those players based on their availability, the willingness of their current club to sell them at a fair price, the desire of such player to join the team, scout reports, etc.

In instances where the club is unable to get the specific players due to one or two reasons mentioned above, the club management will try and get alternative players which the coach will have no choice but to work with.

Roland17:
Considering the length of his tenure and the credible amount of free rein he has been granted alongside financial support, he has failed in my opinion in managing the club. Any coach who can’t take Arsenal to our current situation with the dynamics I have listed will also be considered a failure.

Which other manager are we supposed to compare him with post Wenger? Ebening? Are we comparing transfer budget? Length of stay? Control of the club? What exactly are we comparing here? Arteta is now the 2nd highest earning manager in the EPL, for achieving what exactly?

Has he brought out the best of the players he signed? The players he did not sign that have become the corner stone of our team were already great. For the sake of clarity, Arteta has had total and full control of our transfers, particularly after his 2nd year. It is the reason he can chase a druggie and match asking prices until Chelsea saved us.

BlueRayDick:
Calling him a failure doesn't change the fact that he has performed better than every other manager bar Wenger before his final days with us.

I already mentioned that I don't know how players are signed at Arsenal and I will claim to know what I don't have an idea of based on rumors/people's personal bias since I don't have any reliable internal source.

Yes, the club signed players that have turned out to be flops , but that is not exclusive to Arteta's tenure.

My point tackling Iamoyindamola's post is that coaches are judged on players performance during their time in charge irrespective of who signed the player. A coach is expected to bring out the best in the players he has at his disposal. When Tuchel won Champions league with Chelsea, how many players did he sign to achieve that? But till tomorrow he will always be adjudged as the coach that won Chelsea their second UCL.

That's the point. I'm not interested in debating whether Areta has failed or otherwise.

Roland17:
Considering the length of his tenure and the credible amount of free rein he has been granted alongside financial support, he has failed in my opinion in managing the club. Any coach who can’t take Arsenal to our current situation with the dynamics I have listed will also be considered a failure.

Which other manager are we supposed to compare him with post Wenger? Ebening? Are we comparing transfer budget? Length of stay? Control of the club? What exactly are we comparing here? Arteta is now the 2nd highest earning manager in the EPL, for achieving what exactly?

Has he brought out the best of the players he signed? The players he did not sign that have become the corner stone of our team were already great. For the sake of clarity, Arteta has had total and full control of our transfers, particularly after his 2nd year. It is the reason he can chase a druggie and match asking prices until Chelsea saved us.

iamoyindamola:
Even at this he failed in the players he bought in
That Havertz signing is enough to sack everyone involved just the way Pepe signature made some people lose their jobs

BlueRayDick:
A manager's wages is not necessarily a direct indication of how well the manager is doing as regards managing the team. Most times manager's wages are as a result of negotiations between his agent and the management of the club.

I'm sure he didn't force the club management to hand him a contract that made him the second highest paid manager in the league.

Taking Arsenal from where we were before he joined to where we are now is a feat some other managers have not been able to do with their club. I doubt the club management will sack him because he came second.

In fact, I doubt any club in the premier league will sack their manager because the team came second having spent money on players. You as a fan may call such manager a failure, but the management of the club are will not use emotion to sack a coach that came second in the league, pay him huge severance package and then sign a new manager whom they are not sure will make top 4 the next season.

This is my personal opinion.

iamoyindamola:
That second is looking like a big deal to you which is why I am complaining
We are too comfortable with mediocrity, the manner we took the second position twice was disappointing, slot is going to win the league on his debut season
This is something arteta bottled on 2 occasions and you claimed we took second like we over took club instead we left the top position to settle for it

BlueRayDick:
The second position is actually not a big deal to me. Remember as at the time we signed Arteta, most big manager didn't want to take the Arsenal job because of the trenches we were coming from.

We've had this discussion before, I'm not averse to Arteta being sacked and replaced with a better manager; but the issue is who is that manager that will replace him?

This has nothing to do with being comfortable with mediocrity. I saw man utd sacking one manager after another in a bid to get things right but things never worked out for them. I'm kinda apprehensive that sacking Arteta and replacing him with a manager that is not better than him may not take us anywhere.

One thing u should understand is that until the club replaces him, some of us have no choice but to support him and cheer our team. We will praise him and the team when they do well and chastise them when they do otherwise.

iamoyindamola:
I actually don't see anything bad supporting the manager
Making him look like he's doing us favour, or he's our Messiah is my issue
So because Alonso go unbeaten and win the league, some set of fans should now immortalize him
The truth is if he leaves today arsenal will get another manager that will do better than him, whatever he's doing is not for free
He's the second highest paid after apari
To whom which much is given, same much is expected

BlueRayDick:
A manager's wages is not necessarily a direct indication of how well the manager is doing as regards managing the team. Most times manager's wages are as a result of negotiations between his agent and the management of the club.

I'm sure he didn't force the club management to hand him a contract that made him the second highest paid manager in the league.

Taking Arsenal from where we were before he joined to where we are now is a feat some other managers have not been able to do with their club. I doubt the club management will sack him because he came second.

In fact, I doubt any club in the premier league will sack their manager because the team came second having spent money on players. You as a fan may call such manager a failure, but the management of the club are will not use emotion to sack a coach that came second in the league, pay him huge severance package and then sign a new manager whom they are not sure will make top 4 the next season.

This is my personal opinion.

BlueRayDick:
We've had this discussion before, I'm not averse to Arteta being sacked and replaced with a better manager; but the issue is who is that manager that will replace him?

BlueRayDick:
Why is it that we are always buying players that will not join us immediately ? What's the essence of signing players that cannot join the team instantly and start helping the team?

I detest all these futuristic signings like mad.

Roland17:
When Liverpool moved on from Klopp and hired Slot who is now topping the table, in his first season, did they burden themselves with that question?

When Chelsea fired Poch and hired Maresca who is now competing for a top 4 in his first season, were they asking that question? If they did, did it stop them from firing Poch?

When United against my wishes fired ETH and hired Amorim, who knocked us out of the FA Cup with 10 men and now repositioning United, did that question stop them?

When Barcelona fired a title winning coach in Xavi and hired Flick were they held back?

Do you want me to go on?

These clubs did their due deligence. It is the responsibility of the club to find a suitable replacement. You don’t hold on to a coach, now in his 6th year and can’t get you further, just because of that question.. You are pretty much admitting you are content with our situation.

mostob:
Bro.. I think it is better to strike while the iron is still hot. Transfer decisions shouldn't be for short term only but for long term as well. Arsenal have been chasing Zubimendi for a year now and even discussed his transfers during Merino' s negotiation.

Jorginho and Partey will likely not be with us next season so it is better to make preparations early.

BTW heard the deal for Vlahovic is off but Kolo Muani is being considered. What do you think of Kolo?

BlueRayDick:
The fact that u can’t come up with a name or two despite being someone who follows football leagues across Europe religiously only suggests one thing ; There’s a dearth of good coaches currently in the market .


That means they will be forced to take anybody out of the many coaches available that may not necessarily better our lot . I believe the management not sacking him for the managers currently available in the market is they doing due diligence.

If the management overlook a possible replacement that we all know of his proven track record , then we can lampoon them for still forcing Arteta on us . From where I stand, that’s not the case.

Roland17:
I have given you 4 instances (can add more) where that question was irrelevant to the decision of clubs firing or moving on from a manager. Look across Europe and show me one manager that is in his 6th year in a top club with nothing tangible to show apart from coming 2nd? Nobody does that except Arsenal.

In our current job situations, I can assure you that a decision to fire or move on from us won’t be hinged on “who will replace Roland or Blueray”? That is what your HR and recruitment teams are paid for. They are paid to find talent and not accept performances that do not match resources spent or value derived. You have incredible experience and knowledge of the corporate world and should understand better than many.

Football has evolved beyond how you are looking at it. There are only very few traditional house hold coaches like Ancelotti, Conte left. Teams are working through resources to find talent in coaching. A serious club is already working and preparing for worst case scenarios.

I stand by my position that we shouldn’t have offered him an extension last season. He should have played out this season and then we go from there..

BlueRayDick:
I don’t like Kolo Muani at all ; he’s one of those players who is just more brawn and less brain .

We should do well to sign more intelligent players jare .

iamoyindamola:
Blueraydick any evidence arteta is in charge of transfer

mostob:
At this stage, little is better than nothing.
It is a short term fix so i wouldn't mind IFF we can't land any of the main targets.

BlueRayDick:
Perhaps u are the one making a mistake of looking at football coaching job like a regular white collar /blue collar job in the corporate world .

If a football manager’s performance is clearly abysmal by all standards , nobody will sack such manager without a ready made replacement within their reach in the shortest possible time .

You already agreed that most clubs would not sack a coach who came second consecutively in a competitive league like EPL . Irrespective of whatever amount the coach has spent in the transfer market , once there’s no clause that says he must win the league or get sacked ; he would most likely not get kicked out .

I am not saying Arteta should not be booted out , but I’m very sure the management is having serious headache trying to find that one man that will continue from where he stopped . If not , why haven’t they sacked him?

That’s why I think all the negative energy towards Arteta are not worth it at all. If the management feels he’s failed why are they not sacking him?

Roland17:
Every employer of labor or supervisor goes in everyday planning for the worst. I was clear when I said on the surface of finishing 2nd it looks appealing but when other critical factors are evaluated, you will see the rot beneath. A replacement irrespective of industry doesn't have to be immediate. United fired ETH, they had RVN temporarily support the team while they completed their recruitment. I understand they spoke to a few coaches before Amorim. Ljungberg was hired as interim following the in season firing of Ebening and Arteta was subsequently hired.

You are presenting it like disengaging a coach or a staff during an active season is novel or will be the first time it has ever happened. Edu moved on from Arsenal while the season is ongoing, the club found a temporary replacement and I don't expect them to make a permanent decision about the position until after the season. That is how recruitment works, depending on the dynamics of the situation. Nobody holds on to a coach who has now entered his 6th year coaching a Big club like Arsenal with only 2nd finishes to show for it.

We have exhausted every excuse in the books and keep coming up with more. He is competing against Pep, here comes Slot in his first season. He has an injured roster, well, history during his time supports the argument that his training regime and use of players have always led to players getting grounded during the stage of the season. Who are we going to hire? Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Barcelona, Milan, Inter did not ask those questions before moving on. He is still young, well, he has now entered his 6th year. He has raised us from the dead, that is why we should continue holding on to Arteta, nothing else.

Some are so hesitant to call out his failures in managing transfers, the health and conditioning of our squad every year, our troubling exits from competitions, his bad tactics and substitutions, his inability to adapt, predictable formation/ tactics, getting outcoached constantly, inability to raise our game when it matter or him being a difference when it matters most...and when you hear it from someone who thinks differently, you guys believe it is negative energy or trolling but these are facts some of us are unwilling to admit to.

Arteta was great at specific aspects of the game when he was under Pep. I did not think that translated into being the head coach at the time. If he was going to be a head coach, it should have been with a mid-table team across Europe not a traditional Big club in the EPL. N. Jover is a set-piece specialist for Arsenal, that shouldn't translate into me supporting him to become a head coach, worse still at a Big Club..just because he is great at specific things.

The decision not to fire for the management may be more than just results. If the club is financially stable and getting max capacity during home games, there may be no need to make any changes. Their priority and motivation may not be field result driven and that is what it looks like for us.

BlueRayDick:
I will respond to the bolded . The truth is as much as we may want to claim otherwise , there are actually fans who go above and beyond to troll the club for reasons best known to them .

I know about the inadequacies of Arteta’s game and I actually do not have any problem with fellow fans pointing those issues out when they are evident . However , I find it disturbing that we may go on a 10 game unbeaten run with everybody giving kudos to the players and the coach ; then we suffer a loss and u see our fans start calling for the sack of the same coach that just did an unbeaten run.

Yes Arteta has his faults for not being flexible in some games and we end up losing and easily winnable game . I understand it’s normal for one to be frustrated by such results as a fan , but what I don’t agree with is suddenly calling the coach a mofo, calling him useless and all sorts of derogatory names .

As per ur last paragraph , the koko is the decision to hire and fire lies with the senior management of the club. At the end of the day , they are the ones who decides if Arteta stays or a replacement takes over from him

iamoyindamola:
Bros unbeaten run with nothing to show in the end is nothing
It's pretty obvious players are the one carrying him na, [/b]saka is injured and the whole team forget how to score
Honestly I haven't seen anything special in this man to earn praises
He's not flexible, his man management is poor, he's arrogant and stubborn, very predictable

BlueRayDick:
Here lies the problem . So when the team is playing really well and they are on unbeaten run it is the players that are carrying him.

But when the team runs into a rough patch it is the coach that is fumbling ?

Maybe he’s a predictable , stubborn and arrogant coach who is incapable of being flexible ; but then it’s the same set of players we said he didn’t sign that he has used to challenge for the league twice o.

Another thing I’ve observed is that almost all the players speak well about Arteta and they talk about how he’s helped improved their games . So maybe he’s not special to we fans , but he seem to be special to the players

BlueRayDick:
I will respond to the bolded . The truth is as much as we may want to claim otherwise , there are actually fans who go above and beyond to troll the club for reasons best known to them .

I know about the inadequacies of Arteta’s game and I actually do not have any problem with fellow fans pointing those issues out when they are evident . However , I find it disturbing that we may go on a 10 game unbeaten run with everybody giving kudos to the players and the coach ; then we suffer a loss and u see our fans start calling for the sack of the same coach that just did an unbeaten run.

Yes Arteta has his faults for not being flexible in some games and we end up losing and easily winnable game . I understand it’s normal for one to be frustrated by such results as a fan , but what I don’t agree with is suddenly calling the coach a mofo, calling him useless and all sorts of derogatory names .

As per ur last paragraph , the koko is the decision to hire and fire lies with the senior management of the club. At the end of the day , they are the ones who decides if Arteta stays or a replacement takes over from him

Roland17:
We are not suffering "a" loss, we are suffering losses at critical stages of the season, exiting competitions, dropping important points during the 10 game unbeaten streak you are speaking about. Dropped points that have been consequential in our total point difference against Liverpool. These incidents have occurred around the same time every season under Arteta. We suffer injuries, exit competitions and lose a chance to win the league, right at the same time. So yes, it is always predictable like Deja Vu.

My question to you is simple..

Now in his 6th year and our realities, justify why he should continue as manager of Arsenal. I legitimately want to read and understand that position. What should I expect Arteta will do differently going into next season. I am not saying what everybody else has to do, I mean, what he will do differently.

BlueRayDick:
I expect him and the management to work on signing Saka’s replacement, sign strikers , sign another midfielder . Also the deadwood’s should be cleared off the team .

I was equally disappointed some key signings were not made last transfer window .

Roland17:
Baba, if Arteta had used the 91M he spent last summer on Merino and a luxury Calafiori in addressing one of the concerns you raised up there, I would be more accommodating. He completed the madness with Sterling and Neto. Ownership have supported Arteta, we need to be honest about that.

Raya has been playing every game for us this season, it is only a matter of time he goes down, it is the truth. Who do we fall back on? Neto?

He has had how many transfer windows to address these obvious problems? I mean, we have all been talking about a Saka replacement for nearly 4 seasons since he became a superstar for club and country and what has Arteta done?
Roland, you still dey on this Arteta matter. You dey try sha. Anyway, Liverpool is down currently. People should watch out for this Northiam forest because this is how Leicester started and they eventually crown the champion. I just hope Arsenal is not under a spell. It's being difficult supporting this team

Roland17:
Baba, if Arteta had used the 91M he spent last summer on Merino and a luxury Calafiori in addressing one of the concerns you raised up there, I would be more accommodating. He completed the madness with Sterling and Neto. Ownership have supported Arteta, we need to be honest about that.

Raya has been playing every game for us this season, it is only a matter of time he goes down, it is the truth. Who do we fall back on? Neto?

He has had how many transfer windows to address these obvious problems? I mean, we have all been talking about a Saka replacement for nearly 4 seasons since he became a superstar for club and country and what has Arteta done?