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sonmvayina:
Max, I don't belong to any denomination of Christianity...
Direct it to somebody else...

The post is not for you nah!

@tctrills
You are the Mr Nobody and I will show you this here:

Those who created Mohammed did a better job compared to those who created Jesus christ.
1. Saudi Arabia was not under Roman occupation when Islam was invented.
2. Mohammed is an Arab name.
3. Mohammed was written about in Arabic.
4. The headquarters of Islam is not in Turkey which was part of the Roman empire, but in Mohammed's own town.
5. Mohammed's name did not change from Arabic.
6. Mohammed asked the scribe to write down the things he said in order to preserve them.
7. The Arabs in their Koran has Mohammed in it as the messenger of Allah.

Compared with the invented Jesus christ:

1. Israel was under occupation by the Romans when Jesus christ was invented.
2. Jesus christ is not a Jewish name. 
3. Jesus christ was not written about in a Jewish language.
4. The headquarters of Christianity is in Rome and not in Jesus christ own town Nazareth.
5. Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
6. Jesus christ did not ask anyone to write down the things he said.
7. The Jews in their Talmud do not have Jesus Christ in it but this: "On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

By comparing the two you can see that those who invented Mohammed did a better job than those who invented Jesus christ.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

So you are the illiterate and a Mr Nobody that just believes in a character of a storybook that was invented and wasn't even properly done.

tctrills:
Mr Nobody, you are yet to address my last reply where I gave you a very long list of historians, mostly first century historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution at the hands of the Romans.
Could you list the historians who feed you the nonsense you have been spewing?

tctrills:
Foolish talk.
The Arabs had a convenant with their gods yet Mohamed established a new religion and ideology.
Please make some sense.
I have based my argument on recorded history while your argument is based on nothing. You have very little education on the topic. But instead of you to learn and increase your know you go about making arguments.
It's such a shame

sonmvayina:
Must everybody be a member of a cult to please God?
Is it not better to be alone and be at peace with your creator than join "a performing group" according to you, that specializes in worshipping and idol..
You choose wrong..

I don't believe in peace with what i can't see at the expense of the peace with what i am seeing! 1John 4:20

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have love for neighbours and fellow believers proving we truly love God who created all, your name calling can never ever change that!

Kingsempires:
my brother!!! my brother!!!! . Is now I understand the religion you practices

If he's your brother or not you will know when politicians come brainwashing the people in that community then you will know who truly is your brother.

In the face of politics all these Enuani oshimili North/South/East/West will become rubbish to your own tribesmen.

MindHacker9009:
@tctrills
You are the Mr Nobody and I will show you this here:

Those who created Mohammed did a better job compared to those who created Jesus christ.
1. Saudi Arabia was not under Roman occupation when Islam was invented.
2. Mohammed is an Arab name.
3. Mohammed was written about in Arabic.
4. The headquarters of Islam is not in Turkey which was part of the Roman empire, but in Mohammed's own town.
5. Mohammed's name did not change from Arabic.
6. Mohammed asked the scribe to write down the things he said in order to preserve them.
7. The Arabs in their Koran has Mohammed in it as the messenger of Allah.

Compared with the invented Jesus christ:

1. Israel was under occupation by the Romans when Jesus christ was invented.
2. Jesus christ is not a Jewish name. 
3. Jesus christ was not written about in a Jewish language.
4. The headquarters of Christianity is in Rome and not in Jesus christ own town Nazareth.
5. Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
6. Jesus christ did not ask anyone to write down the things he said.
7. The Jews in their Talmud do not have Jesus Christ in it but this: "On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying, 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and declare it.' But they did not find anything in his favor, and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."

By comparing the two you can see that those who invented Mohammed did a better job than those who invented Jesus christ.
All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.
Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

So you are the illiterate and a Mr Nobody that just believes in a character of a storybook that was invented and wasn't even properly done.

What's your point? You realize you have not been able to make a single point? And you have nothing to back up your feelings.
Let's take just one of the things you wrote to show the shallowness.
You claim that Jesus did not ask anyone to write about him. How does that prove that he did not invent Christianity?
Then you said Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
You are just all over the place without making any point.
Calm down and make your point. You seem to worse than Mr Nobody

MaxInDHouse:
I don't believe in peace with what i can't see at the expense of the peace with what i am seeing! 1John 4:20

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have love for neighbours and fellow believers proving we truly love God who created all, your name calling can never ever change that!

But you people are not following the Torah injunctions...you can't be on the path of Jehovah when you are disobeying his laws, does not make any sense...

Kingsempires:
my brother!!! my brother!!!! . Is now I understand the religion you practices

Lol...thanks

sonmvayina:
But you people are not following the Torah injunctions...you can't be on the path of Jehovah when you are disobeying his laws, does not make any sense...

At least i'm at peace with my neighbours and fellow worshipers that's enough for my own God!

MaxInDHouse:
At least i'm at peace with my neighbours and fellow worshipers that's enough for my own God!

It's still a cult though...

sonmvayina:
It's still a cult though...

I love it that way!

MaxInDHouse:
I love it that way!

Ok...I don't want to be brainwashed.

I want to research and make up my own mind.

sonmvayina:
Ok...I don't want to be brainwashed.
I want to research and make up my own mind.

Brainwashing that's makes me and my neighbour cohabit peacefully.
Ọmọ i don't need further research jọọ!

MaxInDHouse:
Brainwashing that's makes me and my neighbour cohabit peacefully.
Ọmọ i don't need further research jọọ!

That is just the Hallmark of a cult...

You will never make any meaningful progress in your life....

sonmvayina:
That is just the Hallmark of a cult...
You will never make any meaningful progress in your life....

When the other guy insulted you it's time to talk about polishing your shoes but now is the time to curse someone for not agreeing with you.
Na wah for you o!

MaxInDHouse:
When the other guy insulted you it's time to talk about polishing your shoes but now is the time to curse someone for not agreeing with you.
Na wah for you o!

You said you never going to research on anything....how do you make progress in life without research?

sonmvayina:
You said you never going to research on anything....how do you make progress in life without research?

Stop deceiving yourself my guy.
People make research to achieve and once they have achieved the desired they turn to something else.
Regarding research about God i have gotten what i desire to know so there's no further need for that it doesn't mean i'm not making research about how to make more money nah!

sonmvayina:
Lol...thanks

this is what some of our people believe; omenala. They will tell you they dont believe in Jesus that Jesus is a white man or believe in the bible. But they will tell you that they believe in chukwuokika abiama (God Almighty) that is why I told you I understand your religion. You are a traditionalist. your type dey our side well well

sonmvayina:
That is what most people said.....

On the evidence of what transpired, that was what happened.

It was Paul who preached the many Doctrines that holds Christianity together and not Jesus Disciples. From being first the Son, then the Father Himself and many more odious stuff.

Rome only use State Power to give it legitimacy begining from Emperor Constantine.

Kingsempires:
this is what some of our people believe; omenala. They will tell you they dont believe in Jesus that Jesus is a white man or believe in the bible. But they will tell you that they believe in chukwuokika abiama (God Almighty) that is why I told you I understand your religion. You are a traditionalist. your type dey our side well well

Thank you...

MaxInDHouse:
If he's your brother or not you will know when politicians come brainwashing the people in that community then you will know who truly is your brother.

In the face of politics all these Enuani oshimili North/South/East/West will become rubbish to your own tribesmen.

I don't understand were you are really going but what I meant is that me and him are from the same state. Nothing else 🙂.

From all the valid points I've made plus adding these below from historians, and you still cannot realise that Christianity did not start from a Jewish man in Nazareth, shows what your head is filled with below.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

The Historia Augusta is a collection of often spurious biographies of Roman emperors that was written in the late fourth century AD (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

tctrills:
What's your point? You realize you have not been able to make a single point? And you have nothing to back up your feelings.
Let's take just one of the things you wrote to show the shallowness.
You claim that Jesus did not ask anyone to write about him. How does that prove that he did not invent Christianity?
Then you said Christians say Jesus has a Jewish name, a Greek name and an English name.
You are just all over the place without making any point.
Calm down and make your point. You seem to worse than Mr Nobody

MindHacker9009:
From all the valid points I've made plus adding these below from historians, and you still cannot realise that Christianity did not start from a Jewish man in Nazareth shows who you are below.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

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MindHacker9009:
From all the valid points I've made plus adding these below from historians, and you still cannot realise that Christianity did not start from a Jewish man in Nazareth, shows what your head is filled with below.

All the historians you quoted did not show that the Christians were following a Jewish man from Nazareth.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

The Historia Augusta is a collection of often spurious biographies of Roman emperors that was written in the late fourth century AD (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

Funny child,
Your point is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew?
Except his very followers Matthew and John. Josephus said Jesus was a Jew. And many of the other historians I mentioned.
If your only argument is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew then you really have no point please bring up another.
Now let me educate you, hoping you will have the humility to read.
In the link below you will find the works of the historian Tacitus on Jesus Christ and the early Christians.
Learn before arguing.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus#:~:text=Tacitus%20is%20one%20of%20the,Pliny%20the%20Younger%2C%20and%20Suetonius[/url].

Here is a summary of historians who disprove your foolish believes
Tacitus (c. 56–120 AD)
Roman historian Tacitus mentioned Jesus in his work Annals (Book 15, Chapter 44). Writing about Emperor Nero's persecution of Christians after the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD, he stated:
"Christus [Christ], from whom the name [Christians] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate."

This passage confirms Jesus' execution under Roman authority and the early spread of Christianity.
2. Josephus (c. 37–100 AD)
A Jewish historian, Josephus wrote about Jesus in his Antiquities of the Jews (c. 93–94 AD). Two references are significant:
The Testimonium Flavianum (Book 18, Chapter 3):
"About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ."

This passage is controversial because later Christian scribes may have embellished it, though most scholars believe it contains a historical core.
A brief reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, about the execution of "James, the brother of Jesus who is called Christ."
3. Pliny the Younger (c. 61–113 AD)
A Roman governor, Pliny wrote to Emperor Trajan around 112 AD, seeking advice on how to handle Christians in Bithynia. He described Christians as worshiping Christ "as a god" through hymns and adhering to a strict moral code. While Pliny does not detail Jesus' life, his letter shows the rapid spread of Christianity.
4. Suetonius (c. 69–122 AD)
In his work The Twelve Caesars (Claudius 25.4), Suetonius mentioned disturbances in Rome caused by followers of "Chrestus" (a likely reference to Christ). While brief and somewhat ambiguous, this passage indicates early Christian activity.
5. Lucian of Samosata (c. 125–180 AD)
A Greek satirist, Lucian mocked Christians in his writings, describing Jesus as a "crucified sophist" who introduced strange teachings. Despite his mockery, Lucian acknowledges the devotion of Jesus' followers.
6. Mara Bar-Serapion (1st–3rd century AD)
A Syrian philosopher, Mara wrote a letter to his son, mentioning the execution of "the wise king of the Jews," believed by many scholars to refer to Jesus. He linked Jesus' death to the subsequent suffering of the Jewish people.
These accounts, while brief and sometimes indirect, are valuable as they corroborate key aspects of Jesus' life, death, and the emergence of Christianity from non-Christian perspectives.

You are the funny kid with foolish beliefs. That's why you result to name calling when you know you have nothing sensible to backup your foolishness.
Flavius Josephus did not know about the Jesus sect when he was 16 and he tried all the three religious sects among them, till he was 19, that was AD 53 to AD 56 but he did not hear of Jesus christ a fellow Jew that rose up on the third day? Flavius Josephus surrendered to the Romans to save his own life in AD 67, during the First Jewish-Roman War and was made to write about the invented Jesus christ from the royal palace in Rome around AD 95.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

Flavius Josephus: "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I was about sixteen years old, I had a mind to make trial of the several sects that were among us. These sects are three: the first is that of the Pharisees, the second that of the Sadducees, and the third that of the Essenes. I thought that by this means I might choose the best, if I were once acquainted with them all. So I contented myself with hard fare, and underwent great difficulties, and went through them all."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I had accomplished my desires, I returned back to the city; being now nineteen years old, and began to conduct myself according to the rules of the sect of the Pharisees, which is akin to the sect of the Stoics, as the Greeks call it."

The Historia Augusta in the late fourth century AD: (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

tctrills:
Funny child,
Your point is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew?
Except his very followers Matthew and John. Josephus said Jesus was a Jew. And many of the other historians I mentioned.
If your only argument is that no historian said Jesus Christ was a Jew then you really have no point please bring up another.
Now let me educate you, hoping you will have the humility to read.
In the link below you will find the works of the historian Tacitus on Jesus Christ and the early Christians.
Learn before arguing.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus#:~:text=Tacitus%20is%20one%20of%20the,Pliny%20the%20Younger%2C%20and%20Suetonius[/url].

Kingsempires:
I don't understand were you are really going but what I meant is that me and him are from the same state. Nothing else 🙂.

It's OK!

MindHacker9009:
You are the funny kid with foolish beliefs. That's why you result to name calling when you know you have nothing sensible to backup your foolishness.
Flavius Josephus did not know about the Jesus sect when he was 16 and he tried all the three religious sects among them, till he was 19, that was AD 53 to AD 56 but he did not hear of Jesus christ a fellow Jew that rose up on the third day? Flavius Josephus surrendered to the Romans to save his own life in AD 67, during the First Jewish-Roman War and was made to write about the invented Jesus christ from the royal palace in Rome around AD 95.

Tacitus mentioned that Christians originated from Christus. According to the Historia Augusta who quoted from a letter from Egypt in AD 134 that: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

Flavius Josephus: "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I was about sixteen years old, I had a mind to make trial of the several sects that were among us. These sects are three: the first is that of the Pharisees, the second that of the Sadducees, and the third that of the Essenes. I thought that by this means I might choose the best, if I were once acquainted with them all. So I contented myself with hard fare, and underwent great difficulties, and went through them all."

Flavius Josephus: "And when I had accomplished my desires, I returned back to the city; being now nineteen years old, and began to conduct myself according to the rules of the sect of the Pharisees, which is akin to the sect of the Stoics, as the Greeks call it."

The Historia Augusta is a collection of often spurious biographies of Roman emperors that was written in the late fourth century AD (about the time of Theodosius, when the Temple of Serapis was destroyed). Hadrian is purported to have addressed a letter from Egypt to his elderly brother-in-law Servianus, who was Roman consul in AD 134 (by which time Hadrian himself was back in Rome). In Alexandria, he relates: "There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis" (The Four Tyrants, VIII.1).

My boy quote your sources if you want to be taken serious. I have given you links and sources so do the same instead of making up history.
Let's not have a beer palour talk. Let's have an evidence based discussion it that's ok with you.
So oga post your links and let's discuss.
I have given you evidence of 2 historians that wrote about Christ. I posted links please do the same.
Let me repeat in case you missed it.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus#:~:text=Tacitus%20is%20one%20of%20the,Pliny%20the%20Younger%2C%20and%20Suetonius[/url].
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

tctrills:
Foolish talk.
The Arabs had a convenant with their gods yet Mohamed established a new religion and ideology.
Please make some sense.
I have based my argument on recorded history while your argument is based on nothing. You have very little education on the topic. But instead of you to learn and increase your know you go about making arguments.
It's such a shame

The Jews already have an ever lasting covenant with God...what would any Jew create that will top that...

Or you don't get it?

Should I draw you a picture?

You are the one still a small boy. All what I quoted are from historians, just google to find the links as your mind is made up to help defend your invented Jesus christ even thou the Jews do not know him, so no matter the amount of links I post here for you, you'll still find some flimsy excuse to continue your childish talk.

tctrills:
My boy quote your sources if you want to be taken serious. I have given you links and sources so do the same instead of making up history.
Let's not have a beer palour talk. Let's have an evidence based discussion it that's ok with you.
So oga post your links and let's discuss.
I have given you evidence of 2 historians that wrote about Christ. I posted links please do the same.
Let me repeat in case you missed it.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus#:~:text=Tacitus%20is%20one%20of%20the,Pliny%20the%20Younger%2C%20and%20Suetonius[/url].
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

MindHacker9009:
You are the one still a small boy. All what I quoted are from historians, just google to find the links as your mind is made up to help defend your invented Jesus christ even thou the Jews do not know him, so no matter the amount of links I post here for you, you'll still find some flimsy excuse to continue your childish talk.

Lol someone is afraid of the truth. I gave you pure historic facts but you gave me beer palour tales. Silly child.
Now even stronger evidence is the writing of his followers. Matthew, John, and Peter all eyewitnesses of the ministry of Jesus Christ. So you have the works of historians which I have presented to you and the stronger evidence of his witnesses. But what do you have, beer palour tales

sonmvayina:
The Jews already have an ever lasting covenant with God...what would any Jew create that will top that...

Or you don't get it?

Should I draw you a picture?

Oh my brother, read the new testament and you will find abundance answers to your question. But then think about it, if the laws of the old testament was enough, why did Moses prophesied of another Lawgiver? The old testament spoke abundantly of the coming of the Messiah. In the words of Christ, the Scriptures testify of me. Do you get it now?

tctrills:
Oh my brother, read the new testament and you will find abundance answers to your question. But then think about it, if the laws of the old testament was enough, why did Moses prophesied of another Lawgiver? The old testament spoke abundantly of the coming of the Messiah. In the words of Christ, the Scriptures testify of me. Do you get it now?

Messiah means anointed king...David and Solomon where messiah's..
About 3 million Jews heard God speak in the wilderness. I don't get you.
What can somebody create that would top that?
God gave them his laws and statues. He set them apart from other people.

Why would he send somebody again to change it? Does it make any sense to you?

Why would he change is mind?

tctrills:
Oh my brother, read the new testament and you will find abundance answers to your question. But then think about it, if the laws of the old testament was enough, why did Moses prophesied of another Lawgiver? The old testament spoke abundantly of the coming of the Messiah. In the words of Christ, the Scriptures testify of me. Do you get it now?

When did Moses talk about a new law giver?

I will really like to know.

Thank you