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Hello. It's me again. This time I'm just considering something. I know it's probably silly, but please bear with me.

Could it be that Joseph was an unjust ruler in Egypt and that was why the Egyptians hated Israel and turned them into slaves later?

If you read Genesis 41 where Joseph interpreted Pharoah's dream and started his work, the food he collected belonged to the Egyptian farmers. He told Pharoah to collect a portion of the food planted during the season of plenty, that the Egyptian farmers laboured to plant and harvest.

And then in Genesis 47, he started to sell the same food he freely collected back to the people he collected it from until they could no longer pay with money or their livestock, and they had to become Pharaoh's slaves just to eat.

That doesn't sound fair to me.

And then his people, who did not plant those crops, didn't have to buy them from Joseph, didn't have to sell their livestock, and didn't have to become slaves, but yet had enough to eat. For free.

The text said 66 members of Jacob's family moved into Egypt. 66 people that did not contribute eating for free, while the natives had to buy back their own crops they freely gave to Joseph.

What do you think?

When Jacob and the 66 moved to Egypt was there still famine?

AbuTwins:
When Jacob and the 66 moved to Egypt was there still famine?

Yes, there was. Jacob and his family moved in chapter 46. In fact, here is what Joseph told his brothers.

Genesis 45:9-11
"Now hurry back to my father and tell him, ‘This is what your son Joseph says: God has made me master over all the land of Egypt. So come down to me immediately! You can live in the region of Goshen, where you can be near me with all your children and grandchildren, your flocks and herds, and everything you own. I will take care of you there, for there are still five years of famine ahead of us. Otherwise, you, your household, and all your animals will starve.’”

Then all the wahala with the Egyptians happened in Chapter 47:13-26.

Then this was what was recorded after this fact:

Genesis 47:27-28
Meanwhile, the people of Israel settled in the region of Goshen in Egypt. There they acquired property, and they were fruitful, and their population grew rapidly. Jacob lived for seventeen years after his arrival in Egypt, so he lived 147 years in all.

Meanwhile? Doesn't that mean these things were happening simultaneously? So while the Egyptians were selling their properties to buy food, the Hebrews were increasing in population and wealth.

Back then who was the finance minister in Egypt?
How many people feeds from the table of the finance minister of the world's richest country?

The Egyptians didn't know what Pharaoh had in mind when Joseph was gathering the food definitely it wasn't for free but they were paid for their services not until the beginning of the famine when they later realized that there is no food elsewhere except in the domes Pharaoh built.

MaxInDHouse:
Back then who was the finance minister in Egypt?
How many people feeds from the table of the finance minister of the world's richest country?

The Egyptians didn't know what Pharaoh had in mind when Joseph was gathering the food definitely it wasn't for free but they were paid for their services not until the beginning of the famine when they later realized that there is no food elsewhere except in the domes Pharaoh built.

I see your point, but how can we know that it wasn't for free? Couldn't Joseph have just declared that 1/5th of all produce goes to the king and the Egyptian farmers complied?

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello. It's me again. This time I'm just considering something. I know it's probably silly, but please bear with me.

Could it be that Joseph was an unjust ruler in Egypt and that was why the Egyptians hated Israel and turned them into slaves later?

If you read Genesis 41 where Joseph interpreted Pharoah's dream and started his work, the food he collected belonged to the Egyptian farmers. He told Pharoah to collect a portion of the food planted during the season of plenty, that the Egyptian farmers laboured to plant and harvest.

And then in Genesis 47, he started to sell the same food he freely collected back to the people he collected it from until they could no longer pay with money or their livestock, and they had to become Pharaoh's slaves just to eat.

That doesn't sound fair to me.

And then his people, who did not plant those crops, didn't have to buy them from Joseph, didn't have to sell their livestock, and didn't have to become slaves, but yet had enough to eat. For free.

The text said 66 members of Jacob's family moved into Egypt. 66 people that did not contribute eating for free, while the natives had to buy back their own crops they freely gave to Joseph.

What do you think?

It's like you are my shadow!

https://www.nairaland.com/7759015/check-it-o-did-god#124330180

ThatWriterBoy:
Hello. It's me again. This time I'm just considering something. I know it's probably silly, but please bear with me.

Could it be that Joseph was an unjust ruler in Egypt and that was why the Egyptians hated Israel and turned them into slaves later?

If you read Genesis 41 where Joseph interpreted Pharoah's dream and started his work, the food he collected belonged to the Egyptian farmers. He told Pharoah to collect a portion of the food planted during the season of plenty, that the Egyptian farmers laboured to plant and harvest.

And then in Genesis 47, he started to sell the same food he freely collected back to the people he collected it from until they could no longer pay with money or their livestock, and they had to become Pharaoh's slaves just to eat.

That doesn't sound fair to me.

And then his people, who did not plant those crops, didn't have to buy them from Joseph, didn't have to sell their livestock, and didn't have to become slaves, but yet had enough to eat. For free.

The text said 66 members of Jacob's family moved into Egypt. 66 people that did not contribute eating for free, while the natives had to buy back their own crops they freely gave to Joseph.

What do you think?

It's like you are my shadow!

https://www.nairaland.com/7759015/check-it-o-did-god#124330180

And that is one of the reasons why God clear cut him off and replaced him with his own sons.

ThatWriterBoy:
I see your point, but how can we know that it wasn't for free? Couldn't Joseph have just declared that 1/5th of all produce goes to the king and the Egyptian farmers complied?

His point is invalid. The bible clearly declared that they brought in their excess produce so they can not be paid for it.

So what would have been a wasteful loss yesterday became a portion of survival tomorrow.

And obviously Joseph used this opportunity to revenge against the Egyptians because they enslaved him. So technically, Joseph promoted slavery a thing which God already hates.

Meanwhile God is the one with the exclusive jurisdiction of enforcing vengeance. So Joseph entered hot trouble like a person who killed Cain.

ThatWriterBoy:
Yes, there was. Jacob and his family moved in chapter 46. In fact, here is what Joseph told his brothers.

Genesis 45:9-11
"Now hurry back to my father and tell him, ‘This is what your son Joseph says: God has made me master over all the land of Egypt. So come down to me immediately! You can live in the region of Goshen, where you can be near me with all your children and grandchildren, your flocks and herds, and everything you own. I will take care of you there, for there are still five years of famine ahead of us. Otherwise, you, your household, and all your animals will starve.’”

Then all the wahala with the Egyptians happened in Chapter 47:13-26.

Then this was what was recorded after this fact:

Genesis 47:27-28
Meanwhile, the people of Israel settled in the region of Goshen in Egypt. There they acquired property, and they were fruitful, and their population grew rapidly. Jacob lived for seventeen years after his arrival in Egypt, so he lived 147 years in all.

Meanwhile? Doesn't that mean these things were happening simultaneously? So while the Egyptians were selling their properties to buy food, the Hebrews were increasing in population and wealth.

Israel are the Children aka Masters!
All others aka Gentiles are their dogs!

ThatWriterBoy:
I see your point, but how can we know that it wasn't for free? Couldn't Joseph have just declared that 1/5th of all produce goes to the king and the Egyptian farmers complied?

Farmers don't believe in storage of food what they want is money so if you go to a remote area where farmers are working today and tell them to bring everything they harvested for money as long as they won't have to go hawking it in the market they will gladly comply.
That's what happened back then, Pharaoh paid for their services while each of them were using the money to buy things they don't even need not until they later discovered they will die of hunger they began returning everything back to Pharaoh in exchange for food to survive!