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I was unable to respond in a more timely manner as I was banned. Wonder why??

RodgersAkpafu:
Call it what you like
But we see this thing for EXACTLY what it is
An instrument for Race Rage baiting
That was how these liars claimed that the Southport killer was a Pakistani and the ripple effect set the entire country on fire through the protests of last year.
Ugliness unleashed on the street in a way I have never seen since I moved to this (lovely) country

"Race rage baiting" - interesting term. can this happen in a vacuum?

The claims made about the Southport killer were that he was a muslim and a migrant. The press reported he was a Welsh choirboy from a Christian family. I don't condone violence, but protests are a legitimate activity in liberal democracies.

RodgersAkpafu:
You are only being biased
and even you know it
Nobody is downplaying what happened, and :
Calling put "dog whistling" is not being an apologist!
Calling out hypocrisy is NOT apologist

You cant force your position by reciting baseless tropes and clichés. I'm making mine based on the facts, not self-interest, ideological persuasion or identitarian politics as you clearly are. The fact remains that in CSE of this nature, Pakistani men making up 3% of the population are perpetrators of 85% of the crimes.

Yes, overall caucasians are responsible for 83%, but they make up 85% (those %'ages may be reversed) of the population. This particular cohort is compounded by the omerta within the community and official complicity in covering up - https://unherd.com/2023/02/pakistani-child-sex-abuse-is-an-open-secret/?=refinnar

RodgersAkpafu:
Like @aswani referenced earlier, white men are OVER REPRESENTED in the molestation and grooming of kids in South East Asia, why are they not branded. White/Anglo Saxon Abuse Gangs
They also over represented in school shootings, why are their kids not branded White School Shooter network?
But Nigerians can be branded scammers, and Pakis rapists right ?
Due to the actions of a minority
It's good ole dogwhistlimg and racism, and even you find it hard to rebut the argument that's why you skirt over it

And of course, the hiding place of the apologist "whataboutery". If your assertion about white men is true, then the representative authorities are free to term and deal with it it as they see fit. School shootings? In the UK? Hyper-whataboutery. Riddle me this please, are any of the crimes you mentioned covered up by the communities or aided and abetted by official complicity?

It's positions like yours that prevent issues like the London stabbings being addressed. Hesitancy due to racial sensitivity prevents the police from targeting the crimes appropriately. Your bias in defence of the crimes of one ethnicity, is allowing your own to be seriously harmed. Tragic.

RodgersAkpafu:
The only area we agree on is that an HONEST enquiry devoid of political bias be done, and recommendations made and implemented
Simple and short

Your ideological biases and racial prejudices are still in view, regardless of the politics involved. I have made my position regards politics and politicians clear,

RodgersAkpafu:
The ethnicities of the perpetrators AND victims is (relatively)immaterial here.
Commit the crime
Do the time/face the consequences
End of story

Of course all crimes should be thoroughly investigated, charges brought accordingly and the right preventative measures put in place. But this cannot happen whilst material aspects of crimes are conveniently ignored or used as a reason not to pursue justice.


TV

aswani:
Excellent excellent response RodgersAkpafu, I am not sure we'll get through sha.

Our friend has been convinced it is them and us and he is part of "Us", a shame.

The "us" are those that actually love the country and have it's best long-term interests at heart. The "them" are those who come to a "lovely country" and immediately start pursuing self-interest. And who will "japa" for small change or if things take a turn for the worse.

RodgersAkpafu:
the worst part is that IF he thinks this way
He doesn't realise that he is in the "them" bracket

Even if your postulation is true, that doesn't stop me behaving objectively and basing my positions on truth or the facts of a matter.

RodgersAkpafu:
That's what I tell all these damn Christians
Because you profess the same "supposed" religion with these guys does not mean they see you as equals
We are all seen the same by this subgroup of people in the society and there is no good behaviour that will scrub that from you

You are in no positions to tell Christians anything. The UK is a post-Christian country. And if certain subgroups are indeed - and unfairly - seen unfavourably, good behaviour and integrity should be abandoned in favour and racial politics and sectarian bias.

RodgersAkpafu:
Shebi now in right wing circles, they are saying Auslander Raus and resignation for all non Caucasians
IF this comes to fruition, everybody is getting the boot.
Anyways that is a separate discussion

Ey yah! Worried you may have to find another "lovely country". Better check if Shabs is available so you can do "anchor marriage" aka marriage-for-papers .


TV

Gerrard59:
Thank you very much for providing a clear and thorough view of the entire incident. I appreciate the time and efforts.

Apparently, the politicians, especially the white ones, are to be blamed for allowing electoral support to come in between ensuring rule and order is enforced. This is how societies are left to ruin.

Thanks, and agreed. Pandering to certain subgroups out of fear or favour will seriously undermine social cohesion. The West has made a huge mistake allowing mass migration of cultures that are not only unaligned with, but will never assimilate with and hate the native values. And one logical consequence of that is the growth of the far-right.

aswani:
By the way, some of them were Bangladeshi and I believe one or two Afghans in the grooming rings unearthed. The point being, jumping up and down and taking about British-Pakistani is a falsehood so your "Facts" laden posts need tweaking.

You are just making the point. It was muslim-Pakistani, as they are the majority which was clearly stated. It was mostly Pakistanis where they are in the majority, but it was near universally muslim - what religion were the Bangladeshis and Afghanis? Where Christian Pakistanis implicated? Please try and keep up and connect the dots.

TV

This TV01 man is a very funny man

I'm not sure I even have energy to type again
But all I'll say is
To all ye minorities stroking the far right....
When e set, una eye go clear

UK has been at this bus stop before in the 70s and 80s
Ask people who were kids here as minorities what they faced.
Anyways no wahala make we dey look

Lemme see how this will play out

TV01:
Thanks, and agreed. Pandering to certain subgroups out of fear or favour will seriously undermine social cohesion. The West has made a huge mistake allowing mass migration of cultures that are not only unaligned with, but will never assimilate with and hate the native values. And one logical consequence of that is the growth of the far-right.

TV

That is something I hope to write on in the coming days. It is odd to complain about the rise of the far-right when the present elites - politicians and their lovey-dovey media journalists - keep pandering to groups that don't want to and would never assimilate into the host country's culture. On one hand, you (not "you" in reality) subscribe to weak law enforcement, YET call people who complain about it as racists. On the one hand, you increase immigrants yanfu-yanfu which leads to a demand for houses, YET intentionally refuse to build or increase building permits. Honestly, it sounds like cognitive dissonance. This cannot happen in South Korea or Singapore.

TV01:
The "us" are those that actually love the country and have it's best long-term interests at heart. The "them" are those who come to a "lovely country" and immediately start pursuing self-interest. And who will "japa" for small change or if things take a turn for the worse.


Even if your postulation is true, that doesn't stop me behaving objectively and basing my positions on truth or the facts of a matter.


You are in no positions to tell Christians anything. The UK is a post-Christian country. And if certain subgroups are indeed - and unfairly - seen unfavourably, good behaviour and integrity should be abandoned in favour and racial politics and sectarian bias.


Ey yah! Worried you may have to find another "lovely country". Better check if Shabs is available so you can do "anchor marriage" aka marriage-for-papers .


TV

Someone who love this country will NEVER advocate for the far right to lead this country
That's one
I have come to love this country as a second home and shudder at the destruction of this country by the far right careless policies

as for paragraph 3, from your response, that is a pointer that that category may aptly describe where u stand

And as for paragraph 4
That's a very funny joke.
I have dated a few Pakistani women and they are AWESOME
who knows ?
I may just marry one

Gerrard59:
That is something I hope to write on in the coming days. It is odd to complain about the rise of the far-right when the present elites - politicians and their lovey-dovey media journalists - keep pandering to groups that don't want to and would never assimilate into the host country's culture. On one hand, you (not "you" in reality) subscribe to weak law enforcement, YET call people who complain about it as racists. On the one hand, you increase immigrants yanfu-yanfu which leads to a demand for houses, YET intentionally refuse to build or increase building permits. Honestly, it sounds like cognitive dissonance. This cannot happen in South Korea or Singapore.

When you people say the elite are "pandering"
I wonder what to say to people like you

these guys don't even form up to 10% of the voting population anywhere in Europe
So what is the "benefit" of "pandering"

If anything, certain segments of the elite are the one fuelling this divide and rule to distract the masses from the real issues

Let's be real and drop talk @Gerrard59

The real issue here is the economic decline and standards of living dropping across Europe which is a fallout of the neoliberalism that had arrested the west for the last 4 decades

Historical precedence show that right wing parties gain traction when the economy is hard

People are struggling
energy prices have gone through the roof
wage stagnation since 2008
austerity of the tories since 2010 which has decimated public services

People are on the edge and it is this distraction they are using, and the dumb populace are buying it

RodgersAkpafu:
This TV01 man is a very funny man

I'm not sure I even have energy to type again
But all I'll say is
To all ye minorities stroking the far right....
When e set, una eye go clear

So, your whole reason for viewing this from a biased lop-sided view is to prevent the ascendancy of the far right? Please tell us
1. what are the hallmarks of the far-right?
2. what meaningful power do the far-right have in this country?
3. please detail a list of atrocities committed by this mystical far-right in the last decade?

RodgersAkpafu:
UK has been at this bus stop before in the 70s and 80s
Ask people who were kids here as minorities what they faced.
Anyways no wahala make we dey look

Yes, and I witnessed it first-hand. the term "Paki" was a common slur. Many will not be familiar with the terms "sambo" and "wog" used for black people. The UK is light-years away from that era - and the vast majority won't even have been there. It's no reason or excuse for your prejudice or more generally swinging the pendulum the other way to turn a blind-eye to racism against the majority indigenous population. That is asking for a far-right response.

RodgersAkpafu:
Lemme see how this will play out

Yes, let's.


TV

RodgersAkpafu:
When you people say the elite are "pandering"
I wonder what to say to people like you

these guys don't even form up to 10% of the voting population anywhere in Europe
So what is the "benefit" of "pandering"

If anything, certain segments of the elite are the one fuelling this divide and rule to distract the masses from the real issues

Let's be real and drop talk @Gerrard59

The real issue here is the economic decline and standards of living dropping across Europe which is a fallout of the neoliberalism that had arrested the west for the last 4 decades

Historical precedence show that right wing parties gain traction when the economy is hard

People are struggling
energy prices have gone through the roof
wage stagnation since 2008
austerity of the tories since 2010 which has decimated public services

People are on the edge and it is this distraction they are using, and the dumb populace are buying it

It is the same play book as old as time

Shagari blamed the Ghanains
Busia blamed the Nigerians
Idi Amin blamed the Indians

Now Americans are blaming the Latino and now more recently Indians in the H1B fiasco

Okay when the rumours spread that migrants were getting a "living wage" as allowance, didn't it rile up the struggling people (which btw turned out to be a lie )

Even our Nigeria where we come from
I believe we are all old enough to remember the obasanjo years and now
Now the tribalism and chasm in Nigeria is much worse because of economic hardships

All that talk of Elites afraid of Muslims and all are all right wing tropes and lies that some people have bought into


One more thing we should add, even though its not so relevant to the discourse

let's not forget that the homelands of these people are upside down because of 6 decades of hawkish (western) foreign policy
Afterall, the CIA was funding extremist groups throughout the 80s because them dumbasses thought they couod use them to defeat the Soviets and then discard them

Even up to the Syria fiasco
Germany took in that many syruan migrant because Western funded groups turned their country upside down

and giving Israel the carte blanche to lay waste to gaza
So in a sense, the west is complicit in the refugee crisis and the spread of radicalism

so let them not come and form innocent here

After all said and done
Solution is what we want

RodgersAkpafu:
as for paragraph 3, from your response, that is a pointer that that category may aptly describe where u stand

Typo. That should read as follows;
You are in no positions to tell Christians anything. The UK is a post-Christian country. And if certain subgroups are indeed - and unfairly - seen unfavourably, should good behaviour and integrity should be abandoned in favour and racial politics and sectarian bias?

RodgersAkpafu:
And as for paragraph 4
That's a very funny joke.
I have dated a few Pakistani women and they are AWESOME
who knows ?
I may just marry one 8 )

Good luck with that - you will take your shahada first sha!

TV01:
So, your whole reason for viewing this from a biased lop-sided view is to prevent the ascendancy of the far right? Please tell us
1. what are the hallmarks of the far-right?
2. .what meaningful power the far-right have in this country
3. please detail a list of atrocities committed by this mystical far-right in the last decade.


Yes, and I witnessed it first-hand. the term "Paki" was a common slur. Many will not be familiar with the terms "sambo" and "wog" used for black people. The UK is light-years away from that era - and the vast majority won't even have been there. It's no reason or excuse for your prejudice or more generally swinging the pendulum the other way to turn a blind-eye to racism against the majority indigenous population. That is asking for a far-right response

Yes, let's.


TV

I'm glad you are well informed about the subject matter
it's refreshing
You of all people having witnessed that should be wary of a resurgence of such in this country
Don't be naive to think that things can't quickly degenerate into that
Looking at the disgusting racism being fanned across social media and the "radicalisation" of these young men specifically , it may only be a matter of time before shyte hits the fan....... again

TV01:
Typo. That should read as follows;
You are in no positions to tell Christians anything. The UK is a post-Christian country. And if certain subgroups are indeed - and unfairly - seen unfavourably, should good behaviour and integrity should be abandoned in favour and racial politics and sectarian bias?


Good luck with that - you will take your shahada first sha!

Thanks for the clarification 👍

The solution to this matter is very simple
Deterrents and strong laws
Look at what is going on in Denmark and Sweden
No need for cho cho cho....
Lay the work
Base your actions on research data fact (Denmark did an amazing job with this)

and drop the Hanmer
no be everyday paki this paki that

Which one is "shahada" now
Fatima didn't tell me about that one oh
lemme know so I jaapa before it's too late

RodgersAkpafu:
I'm glad you are well informed about the subject matter
it's refreshing
You of all people having witnessed that should be wary of a resurgence of such in this country
Don't be naive to think that things can't quickly degenerate into that
Looking at the disgusting racism being fanned across social media and the "radicalisation" of these young men specifically , it may only be a matter of time before shyte hits the fan....... again

Scare-mongering. Yes, there are still racism and challenges, but which country is free of prejudice and division? It's easy to slur this country, whilst turning a blind eye to the sectarianism and tribalism in the homelands. Even here, you have colourism and inter-ethnic divisions. You can only paint this country bad on an absolute scale of perfection not applied relative to other countries.

I also note you stylishly dribbled past my 3 questions on the far-right . Although I agree a lot of tensions are stirred up by the ruling elite. Using the West' so called destabilisation of middle-eastern countries as an excuse is just sad. Don't these people and countries have agency. Why are they willing to sell out their people, heritage and countries for small change, to people that don't have their best interest at heart?

Sweden and Denmark have seen the outcomes and responded accordingly, We can only turn a blind-eye here in the UK for so long. At some point there will be a reckoning. The question is what will that reckoning look like?

TV

RodgersAkpafu:
When you people say the elite are "pandering"
I wonder what to say to people like you these guys don't even form up to 10% of the voting population anywhere in Europe
So what is the "benefit" of "pandering" If anything, certain segments of the elite are the one fuelling this divide and rule to distract the masses from the real issues
Let's be real and drop talk @Gerrard59

The real issue here is the economic decline and standards of living dropping across Europe which is a fallout of the neoliberalism that had arrested the west for the last 4 decades

Historical precedence show that right wing parties gain traction when the economy is hard

People are struggling
energy prices have gone through the roof
wage stagnation since 2008
austerity of the tories since 2010 which has decimated public services

People are on the edge and it is this distraction they are using, and the dumb populace are buying it

I will reply in detail in the coming hours.

TV01:
Scare-mongering. Yes, there are still racism and challenges, but which country is free of prejudice and division? It's easy to slur this country, whilst turning a blind eye to the sectarianism and tribalism in the homelands. Even here, you have colourism and inter-ethnic divisions. You can only paint this country bad on an absolute scale of perfection not applied relative to other countries.

I also note you stylishly dribbled past my 3 questions on the far-right . Although I agree a lot of tensions are stirred up by the ruling elite. Using the West' so called destabilisation of middle-eastern countries as an excuse is just sad. Don't these people and countries have agency. Why are they willing to sell out their people, heritage and countries for small change, to people that don't have their best interest at heart?

Sweden and Denmark have seen the outcomes and responded accordingly, We can only turn a blind-eye here in the UK for so long. At some point there will be a reckoning. The question is what will that reckoning look like?

TV

I will answer you
IWhy would I dodge ?

There will be a response
and you MAY not like it

Gerrard59:
I will reply in detail in the coming hours.

Bookmarked
I'll keep an eye for this

TV01:
It's positions like yours that prevent issues like the London stabbings being addressed. Hesitancy due to racial sensitivity prevents the police from targeting the crimes appropriately.

With respect, this is absolute bunkum amongst the sea of rubbish you typed and you typed a lot of it.

You just type these things without even attempting to prove or defend them, that is my issue with your views.

I will indulge you, what cultural sensitivity exactly is preventing issues of London stabbings being addressed? I know the kind of places you read that nonsense from but humour me anyway.

aswani:
With respect, this is absolute bunkum amongst the sea of rubbish you typed and you typed a lot of it.

You just type these things without even attempting to prove or defend them, that is my issue with your views.

I will indulge you, what cultural sensitivity exactly is preventing issues of London stabbings being addressed? I know the kind of places you read that nonsense from but humour me anyway.

lmaoooooo


Anyways @TVO1 over to you
BTW I will give a rebut to those questions you asked me hopefully by close of business today

I am stylishly waiting for Gerrard59 response to my post, then I'll give a response to yours as well.

I'll just chime in and say that the common denominator to stabbings in the UK is poverty which leads to gang affiliations which also leads to street violence
Any other argument, especially a racial.based argument is bunkum and a lie

Affluent areas of minority ppl do not commit gang/knife crime
And most knife crimes in the UK are freaking committed by white people (refer to Blackpool and Glasgow )

RodgersAkpafu:

lmaoooooo

I'll just chime in and say that the common denominator to stabbings in the UK is poverty which leads to gang affiliations which also leads to street violence
Any other argument, especially a racial.based argument is bunkum and a lie

Affluent areas of minority ppl do not commit gang/knife crime
And most knife crimes in the UK are freaking committed by white people (refer to Blackpool and Glasgow )

Per the bolded, you are bang on.

These guys live wherever they are, surrounded by white people, reading the BS press and nodding their heads to the crap they read and are told by their white colleagues just to fit in.

To add on to the places you mention, the North East (Tyneside, Wearside and Teesside) has a lot of all these things happening all done by white youths. I don't know if it's more or less than London but trust me, there is a lot of the stuff and as you rightly said, it stems from the stuff you aptly described.

RodgersAkpafu:

lmaoooooo

Anyways @TVO1 over to you

It's TV01, thank you.

RodgersAkpafu:
BTW I will give a rebut to those questions you asked me hopefully by close of business today

I eagerly await your response. No tropes, no clichés. Evidence and facts please. By way of reminder,
1. what are the hallmarks of the far-right? Beliefs, political & social positions, demographics etc.
2. what meaningful power the far-right have in this country? The political face or organisations that represent this "far-right" phenom
3. please detail a list of atrocities committed by this mystical far-right in the last decade. Violence, harms, fatalities, organisations involved

RodgersAkpafu:
I am stylishly waiting for Gerrard59 response to my post, then I'll give a response to yours as well.

Is tis a stylish way of backtracking or preparing a possible exit strategy ?

RodgersAkpafu:
I'll just chime in and say that the common denominator to stabbings in the UK is poverty which leads to gang affiliations which also leads to street violence
Any other argument, especially a racial.based argument is bunkum and a lie

Kindly clarify what you mean by common denominator. And if you mean "main factor", could you evidence that please. Are you aware of what the biggest indicator for poverty actually is?

RodgersAkpafu:
Affluent areas of minority ppl do not commit gang/knife crime
And most knife crimes in the UK are freaking committed by white people (refer to Blackpool and Glasgow )

Given the demographics of this country, we don't (and I stand to be corrected as I'm a lifelong Londoner) have affluent areas of mostly minority ppl. What we have is minorities that live in affluent areas. A meaningful difference. Further, most areas or communities which are mostly minority populated are more likely to be less affluent.

Do you have anything to corroborate your initial claim? And that second claim about knife crimes vis-a-viz Blackpool & Glasgow. In a relative (proportionate, not absolute). I am clear that aswani lends no insight or carefully considered positions to this discussion, we'll soon see if you are cut from the same cloth.


Danke
TV

"no clichés, no tropes"

This mam is very very funny

Anyways here is my answer to your questions
Lemme just state my piece and let it be, while still waiting for Gerrard59 (btw, I'm a huge fan of his write ups and always look forward to hear his insights)

Q1: The hallmark of the far right are;
Anti minority racism,
Belief that minorities can never be citizens of this country;
Belief in mass deportations and forced remigrations;
The belief in white people being the superior race and every problem of this country being the fault of minorities

I'll post a few links to that effect soon, but lemme just go with the flow in line with my train of thoughts

EDIT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssLC4U7u9t8?si=KgqIRJsZgsAn8v0N

here is one link
I'm looking for the second one with Fawaz

EDIT 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epi6-zDCwIg?si=H5r2rL8oi3AATrNh




This is exactly how the far right think
That even if you are a kid or grandkids of immigrant, and contributed so much to this country, you are not English/British, and the deeper context to what they say is that you are inferior by default and a second class citizen
Let's be honest

Q2 : The power they wield is not absolute yet, but we are seeing a surge in the Reform UK camp, and don't you deny, you and I know that that is the new home of the far right in this country.
They got millions of votes in this last election cycle...
Causing major casualties to tory MPs
And the general sentiment in that camp is on the ascendancy.
They have also put 5 MPs in Westminister.
Go look at the kind of tweets they tweet to pander to, and energise that base (referring to those two idiots, Lee Anderson and fellow idiot Luwe ori so, forgotten how to spell his yeye surname)


Q3 : your framing of this question reveals two things about you
One, that you are in denial of the ramifications of these far right fvckers, and two, you are turning a blind eye to their activities
That said

I'll only give one example and leave it at that
The riots of last year
I am a northerner and the riots were devastating 😢
The riots were farmed based on lies and deception
. They didn't care about those girls tragically killed, all they wanted was an avenue to express their racism and they did
Shops were looted, minorities were beaten up, their cars smashed and the list goes on.

A[b] subset to this was the wife of a tory Councillor egging on these rioting bastaeds to "burn down " the hotel that was supposedly housing asylum seekers[/b]
For sure, you will turn a blind eye to this, because its directed against "those people"

Millions of Pounds worth of damage was caused by the lie induced riots instigated by the far right scum.

Thankfully Oga Sir Starmer took the right decision, declared soft martial law on the street, got those riff raffs arrested and locked them up in jail

The message has been passed
If you try such rubbish again
swift hammer will be dropped on your head

Now u say you saw the riots and the activities of the NF in times past, so no need to elaborate, that's another destructive outcome of treating far right people with kid gloves

Now if you call all these tropes and clichés, then I know I have been wasting my time all this while and just leave the convo

aswani:
With respect, this is absolute bunkum amongst the sea of rubbish you typed and you typed a lot of it.

You just type these things without even attempting to prove or defend them, that is my issue with your views.

I will indulge you, what cultural sensitivity exactly is preventing issues of London stabbings being addressed? I know the kind of places you read that nonsense from but humour me anyway.

I can award you a few marks for effort, but sadly, none for astute or revealing insights. Not to mention that your posts clearly reveal you as prejudiced and an apologist for Islam, so even the effort is misguided.

Having said that, redemption is a prevailing theme in Christianity and I am the eternal optimist. Try harder, be better. Perhaps read along for a bit, do some research of your own and then make meaningful contributions - even if it's just the odd searching question.

I am by no means being prescriptive.


TV


...have a read - written by a British-Pakistani - https://unherd.com/2023/02/pakistani-child-sex-abuse-is-an-open-secret/?=refinnar

Alright
So to answer the second part of your posts
Up north, there are minority dominated areas that are actually upscale and can be considered affluent
Well to do Indians, Pakistanis and even Nigerians get to live and congregate in certain postcodes
I live in one, so I know
And there are NO crimes or stabbings of any sort here. The kids are well behaved just like the white counterparts and everything is going fine (which is a sharp contraditoon to the racist belief that by virtue of being a minority, you are trouble)


Now in some areas of brum and Bradford, lower class south Asians litter the whole place and the place looks like a dump
But it is characteristic of their low education, lack of exposure and anyhowness

That is not the image of every minority and it is shameful and insidious that the media wanna paint is as such
Holbeck is an area that has a lot of white ppl, and that place IS A DUMP
So that proves my belied that it is more of the socio economic background of people, rather than race, that determines these positive or negative outcomes
These rich Pakistanis in Nice areas of Bradford, their kids are not out there constituting a nuisance?
In fact they lives that most white ppl in this country can only dream of experiencing in their lives

TV01:
It's TV01, thank you.

I I am clear that aswani lends no insight or carefully considered positions to this discussion, we'll soon see if you are cut from the same cloth.

Danke
TV

So you have zero proof of the cultural sensitivity you claimed is stopping The Met from doing something about knife crime amongst black youths in London, now there's a surprise.

Next time, do yourself a favour, don't regurgitate nonsense that you heard or read from people that don't have proof of the nonsense they are saying, Okay?!

TV01:
I can award you a few marks for effort, but sadly, none for astute or revealing insights. Not to mention that your posts clearly reveal you as prejudiced and an apologist for Islam, so even the effort is misguided.

Having said that, redemption is a prevailing theme in Christianity and I am the eternal optimist. Try harder, be better. Perhaps read along for a bit, do some research of your own and then make meaningful contributions - even if it's just the odd searching question.

I am by no means being prescriptive.


TV


...have a read - written by a British-Pakistani - https://unherd.com/2023/02/pakistani-child-sex-abuse-is-an-open-secret/?=refinnar

"apologist for islam"
Really?
So that's where this is coming from ?

Lemme read the article

aswani:
So you have zero proof of the cultural sensitivity you claimed is stopping The Met from doing something about knife crime amongst black youths in London, now there's a surprise.

Next time, do yourself a favour, don't regurgitate nonsense that you heard or read from people that don't have proof of the nonsense they are saying, Okay?!

To be honest with you

I am an advocate for the Chimannda signature message from her Ted talk

which is let's beware of the dangers of a SINGLE STORY

Let's not kid ourselves
Indeed SOME Pakistanis were involved in this disgusting act of grooming kids (white and Pakistani alike, but you know why the spotlight is on the white side alone, but that's btw)

But what is also true is that the right wing media and the racists who power it are being mischievous with the labelling of an entire community. Many of them are law abiding members of the society, opening businesses, owning homes and paying their taxes to the govt
It is unfair to brand them all and Stain them with that brush

That is why when I used that thing TV01 was using on white ppl, I.e. staining them the same way they stain other groups,) TV01 deflected immediately
From the appearance of his posts, white people do no wrong, only minorities do, esp the ones he THINKS he doesn't like (Pakistanis)

TV01:
Not to mention that your posts clearly reveal you as prejudiced and an apologist for Islam, so even the effort is misguided.

...have a read - written by a British-Pakistani - https://unherd.com/2023/02/pakistani-child-sex-abuse-is-an-open-secret/?=refinnar

I am, of course, not an apologist for Islam, I am against people making sweeping, unfair and false generalisations against minority groups.

Gary Glitter et al are no more a representation of white men behaviour than than the ones that were in grooming gangs are of British people of Pakistani origin. You don't make sweeping generalisation about the former, why not extend the same courtesy to the latter.

You want me to read something from unherd, I think I'll pass.

It will be nice to know those cultural sensitivities you referred to though, try not to side step it. Is it that Police can't arrest anyone wearing a do-rag between the hours of 6 and 7, or anyone with more than 60 strands of hair in their beard, what exactly?

RodgersAkpafu:
"apologist for islam"
Really?
So that's where this is coming from ?

Lemme read the article

Nah, their stuff is not from here, they just did a Google search and this article came up.

Based on their definition of them and us in an earlier post, they get their stuff from white colleagues who tell them "you are so different from the others", "I wish there were more like you", "your English is really good", etc.

aswani:
I am, of course, not an apologist for Islam, I am against people making sweeping, unfair and false generalisations against minority groups.

Gary Glitter at al are no more a representation of white men behaviour than than the ones that were in grooming gangs are of British people of Pakistani origin. You don't make sweeping generalisation about the former, why not extend the same courtesy to the latter.

You want me to read something from unherd, I think I'll pass.

It will be nice to know those cultural sensitivities you referred to though, try not to slide step it. Is it that Police can't arrest anyone wearing a do-rag between the hours if 6 and 7, or anyone with more than 60 strands of hair in their beard, what exactly?

Exactly !
I bet he is prolly one of those who have a bone to pick with Sir Sadiq Khan as well.
I have asked everyone who is against the man to point out his policy failures and leave his ethnicity or religion out of this, and they ALWAYS fail woefully
Who knows ? maybe TV won't fail the test

Even IF (a big if ) there is a litany of policy failures, it will be because of his abilities not because of his ethnic stock
But racists are stupid
So they can't make that distinction

aswani:
Nah, their stuff is not from here, they just did a Google search and this article came up.

Based on their definition of them and us in an earlier post, they get their stuff from white colleagues who tell them "you are so different from the others", "I wish there were more like you", "your English is really good", etc.

I so hate the bolded
It gives the "exceptional minority" vibes and it disgusts me
This is one (major) issue I have with (some) Indians
They suffer (those who this applies to) from the need to be tagged that "exceptional minority"
its nauseating

RodgersAkpafu:
Alright
So to answer the second part of your posts
Up north, there are minority dominated areas that are actually upscale and can be considered affluent
Well to do Indians, Pakistanis and even Nigerians get to live and congregate in certain postcodes
I live in one, so I know

I am happy to consider what is anecdotal assertions at best for the sake of "discussion flow", but it's difficult to accept this wholesale. We know from this discussion that Pakistanis are approx. 3% of the population, and all ethnic minorities comprise 18%. So this is hard for me to picture. Even with the knowledge that some - not all - minorities like to form enclaves/ A few streets here and there perhaps, but whole areas of affluent minorities? Where you do see this, it tends to be in less-affluent areas.

RodgersAkpafu:
And there are NO crimes or stabbings of any sort here. The kids are well behaved just like the white counterparts and everything is going fine (which is a sharp contraditoon to the racist belief that by virtue of being a minority, you are trouble)

Good to hear. Are there no affluent white Brits in this area, or, do they live elsewhere?

To state that there is a knife-crime problem which disproportionately affects black people in London, does not mean one is racist or hates minorities. Facts are not racist, bigoted or prejudiced. They are just evidence based views of the situation. There is no reason to view situations or events via a "race-based" lens in the first-instance, unless the evidence demonstrates race is a factor.

RodgersAkpafu:
Now in some areas of brum and Bradford, lower class south Asians litter the whole place and the place looks like a dump
But it is characteristic of their low education, lack of exposure and anyhowness

Ah! This sounds raycyst ! But seriously, what do you mean by "anyhowness" Poverty, lack of exposure and even illiteracy are not prime reasons or excuses for criminal behaviour. But if this anyhowness is culturally driven and leads to criminal action, it should be noted.

RodgersAkpafu:
That is not the image of every minority and it is shameful and insidious that the media wanna paint is as such

Sorry! The mainstream media is committed to presenting multiculturism as a runaway success. There may be minority media views that pander to that view, but it is not routinely rolled out by the BBC, ITV or papers like the Gaurdian, Times etc. We should be able to demonstrte this quite easily.

RodgersAkpafu:
Holbeck is an area that has a lot of white ppl, and that place IS A DUMP
So that proves my belied that it is more of the socio economic background of people, rather than race, that determines these positive or negative outcomes

Being a dump (poor or impoverished), does not make it crime-ridden, or necessarily mean that the cultural issues and types of crime will be the same. Is Holbeck awash with honour killings or acid attacks?

RodgersAkpafu:
These rich Pakistanis in Nice areas of Bradford, their kids are not out there constituting a nuisance?
In fact they lives that most white ppl in this country can only dream of experiencing in their lives

That maybe so to a degree, but what percentage of the demographic do these "rich Pakistanis" constitute. How do you prove they are of a different cultural mindset to the poorer members of their demgraphic.


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RodgersAkpafu:
I so hate the bolded
It gives the "exceptional minority" vibes and it disgusts me
This is one (major) issue I have with (some) Indians
They suffer (those who this applies to) from the need to be tagged that "exceptional minority"
its nauseating

Those Indians you mention are the higher caste ones and it's a tad shameful.

We are mirroring each other, posts wise, so I will leave the floor for you to fight the good fight.

Thanks for the super job you are doing, I thought I knew my stuff but you clearly are a cut above and I have already picked up quite a few things from you, thanks once more.

I will chime in once in a while to ask for the cultural sensitivity thing hampering the Police from our friend though.