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MaxInDHouse:
Is this a publication of JWs?
It's better to allow you do whatever you want at least you know now that JWs are not on the same page with you people.

Janosky:
JW's didn't connect Armageddon to 1914.

MaxInDHouse:
Is this a publication of JWs?

It's better to allow you do whatever you want at least you know now that JWs are not on the same page with you people.

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

you false jw false prophets connected armageddon to 1914 and other years as well
you will notice they are all over the place with their false prophecies, of course:



From 1904 onward, Watchtower articles show Russell changed the start of Armageddon to be 1914.

1914 has been a pivotal date for the Watchtower. The expectations prior to 1914 included it being the end of the Gentile Times, the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all governments, the resurrection, the start of Jesus 1000 year reign and paradise on earth. See 1914 for a in-depth article regarding this date.

"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon.

1986 was the United Nations year of peace. This was an exciting time for Witnesses, due to the implication that it could be the 'cry of peace and security' that precedes Armageddon,

2000 was not stated to be the end, but there was strong indication that it would be impossible for Armageddon not to come before 2000.


The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:
The Last Days began 1799
Jesus Parousia started 1874
Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878
The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in the:
end of Armageddon
fall of false religion
end of all earthly governments
heavenly and earthly resurrections
paradise on earth


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DaddyCoool:
I don't know. Is it? Does it matter?
Who is "you people". Sounds so un-christian

Janosky:
The bolded is proof of your LYING and IBERIBEISM.
MUMU LYING miscreant,When did Armageddon begin?
You are indeed confused by GIBBERISH you copied online .

Image123:
Lol, it's not my work, you asked me to produce Snelling's work that says there was a global flood. Then you somehow gave the excuse that Answersingenesis.org is not a scientific journal. You initially asked for an expert in geology. Snelling is an expert in Geology with a Ph.D and published articles in scientific journals which you claimed to be the usual benchmark for experts. A si,ple google or wikipedia search will show you some of his scientific words.
Are you saying that he is not an expert, or that anything he says outside scientific journals is not expert enough?

Nonetheless, i will give you links to his works published in a scientific journal, although i know your rigmarole.
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Andrew-A-Snelling-2009962514

Because of the enormous explanatory and predictive
success of the plate tectonics model (reviewed in
Wise, in prep. a; Wise et al., in prep.), we feel that at
least some portion of plate tectonics theory should be
incorporated into the creation model. It appears that
taking the conventional plate tectonics model and
increasing the rate of plate motion neither deprives
plate tectonics theory of its explanatory and predictive
success, nor does it seem to contradict any passages of
Scripture. Therefore, following the example of Antonio
Snider we would like to propose a model of geology
which is centered about the idea of rapid, horizontal
divergence of rigid crustal plates (that is, rapid plate
tectonics) during Noah’s Flood. We feel that this model
is not only capable of the explanatory and predictive
success of conventional plate tectonics, but is also
capable of clarifying a number of scriptural claims
and explaining some physical data unexplained by
conventional plate tectonics theory.

Page8: By the time Flood waters had settled into the post
Flood basins, they had accumulated enough heat to
leave the oceans as much as twenty or more degrees
centigrade warmer than today’s oceans (Figure 1).
These warmer oceans might be expected to produce
a warmer climate on earth in the immediate post
Flood times than is experienced on earth now
(Oard, 1990a).

Janosky:
JW's didn't connect Armageddon to 1914.

Janosky:
The bolded is proof of your LYING and IBERIBEISM. MUMU LYING miscreant,When did Armageddon begin? You are indeed confused by GIBBERISH you copied online .

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

more confusion from so called jehovah's witnesses:


The End the "Day of Vengeance" (Armageddon)
Armageddon, also referred to as the Day of Vengeance, and the Battle of the Great Day, was to end in October 1914.

"we have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914." Studies In the Scriptures - The Day of Vengeance 1911ed pp.546,547

144,000 Resurrected to Heaven
The 144,000, also known as the "body of Christ" or "the saints", were to all be in heaven by 1914, prior to the completion of Armageddon.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) p.228

Instead of being slated to "end in October 1914", rewrites claimed (still erroneously) that Armageddon was to "end very shortly" and "very soon after".

The following poster incorporates quotes from Studies in the Scriptures - The Battle of Armageddon (1897) with images from The Photo Drama of Creation (1914), concisely depicting that despite the doomsday similarities with current teachings, Watchtower prophetic interpretation was a complete failure.


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Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

John LYING miscreant, you don't have brain to comprehend anything in your screenshot post you
have made.

You are very desperate to derail this thread be bringing up another strange topic not intended by the Original Poster.

Tueh !

MaxInDHouse:
They now have thousands of churchians who don't agree with their Trinity God so it's better to allow them do their thing after all Jehovah's Witnesses stands out completely as no part of them!

Janosky:
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
This is the first time ever that a WAILING WAILER has made that claim.
Maybe the Armageddon in his head has been done and dusted,so he came online to inform us.

MaxInDHouse:
You are not ready to hear us out on what people say about us instead you keep repeating the accusations as if you are not reading my response. Exodus 23:1-2

Those dates are not found in any of our publications people out there speculates so i decided to find out where those dates are mentioned in publications of Jehovah's Witnesses but there is none. 1Thessalonians 5:21

So i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses after knowing that people lied against them if you are swallowing all of that without trying to find out the truth surely you've made yourself one of them. Matthew 12:46-50

That's why i said we are not on the same page with YOU PEOPLE! John 17:14-16

Janosky:
Confused 3 deities devotees,, you Know ZERO about the Bible or let alone the historical antecedents of your Trinitarian mentors.

Check Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 in your Trinitarian Amplified Reference Bible and Geneva Bible older than your KJV Bible.

This kid,carry your naivety out of this thread.

DaddyCoool:
It is one thing to lie a little, it is quite another to be utterly shameless.😅 See below. As for "you people", nope, you've always refered to other Christians as "you people"

MaxInDHouse:
YOU PEOPLE claims to be Christians but if you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses we can never ever agree that you are a Christian.

Do you get it now?

So we are pleased if you people view us the same way.

Stop thinking we are on the same page with you people!

DaddyCoool:
So stop asking why some people dislike JW - same reason Jews were disliked - they view others as "you people". A fellow human being who has expressed belief in Christ as their faith (even if they're not perfect, neither are you), you view him as your enemy, "you people". Anyway I don't blame you. It's all part of the brainwashing to make it almost impossible for you to leave JW and survive!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK just know that Jehovah's Witnesses are not on the same page with YOU PEOPLE.

Thanks for your time!

DaddyCoool:
You too, my dear BROTHER NEIGHBOUR, you too.

MaxInDHouse:
How many times do i have to remind you that you're not my BROTHER but NEIGHBOUR?

DaddyCoool:
They brainwashed you, my brother. All humanity are brothers, epecifically all who PROFESS belief in salvation through Christ!
Ciao!

LordReed:
So I took a look at the listed works of Snelling on the page you linked and I think the one most relevant to this conversation is: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Global Flood Model of Earth History

To start with this is what Snelling et al say about their work in the paper on page 2:

With this in mind we should expect that the model will explain any physical data we find in any part of the world since it is claiming there was a global catastrophic flood.

Reading through the paper the thing that jumped out at me is their description of the pre and post flood conditions and how they would affect 2 disparate regions of the earth: the Sahara desert and Antartica. I will explain why shortly.

In order for the earth to even be remotely habitable during such a catastrophic deluge, the writers propose that magma released from the deep in the earth due to the tectonic shifts.

By there own suggestion the north and south poles where completely inundated by water that is warmer than our current ocean temperatures by as much as 20 degrees. In our current climate struggles we are seeing large swaths of permafrost melting because of a 2 degree change in temperature. So for a 20 degree change in temperature in water covering the entire Antartica it follows that ALL of the ice there would have melted. And that would even play well into the flood scenario since it would add to the volume of water covering the globe.

Now this is where it gets interesting. If all of the ice in Antarctica melted then we should expect to find that the oldest ice layers in Antarctica would not be older than 6,000 years at the most and 4,400 years (the estimated time frame of the flood) at the least. However the evidence we find is that we have ice layers way older that 6,000 years. Matter of fact an article from 4 days ago states that ice dated to 1.2 million years ago has been found in Antarctica. Snelling et al's model has therefore failed to account for this data.

On to the Sahara desert. Imagine that the Sahara was inundated and then dried out 5 months later what should we expect. Well they say that the world was warmer immediately post the flood and has gotten cooler since then. Therefore we should find that the Sahara has been cooling from around that time but this is not what we find. Instead the evidence on hand shows that the Sahara has been getting more arid for the past 10,000 years. Again this flood model fails to account for the very obvious physical evidence we have.

There are even more in depth criticisms of Snelling's work. Here is one: Reply to Andrew Snelling’s arguments regarding cliffs formed in the walls of the Grand Canyon=https://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr49Snelling.pdf
Lemme see whether you will read it. LoLz.

Image123:
i would think that the most relevant of Snelling's work to the conversation was here in https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/evidences-genesis-flood/?srsltid=AfmBOorKOBH3FZYZBvcRrvTVOqMtxhv3_9kLjH5osBXlBGvUOzPDC5Gk
Why did you go looking for what was not missing? You asked for an expert and gave your specs, Snelling fits your requirements obviously. Reason why i again asked you, "Are you saying that he is not an expert, or that anything he says outside scientific journals is not expert enough?"



Their PROPOSALS are not Bible or my problem, it's their problem and that of those looking for scientific proof for a miracle.




Suggestions are not the Bible. The Bible says
Gen 6:17  And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Evidently, the flood was to destroy all flesh, not to go melting ice and whatnots.



The Bible says nothing about ice melting.
Gen 7:19  And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
You surely don't need to be reminded that ice is water. It doesn't have to melt to be water. 



Who are the they saying? Are they not your experts in Geology? Did i not tell you that no scientist has experienced a global flood to be exact about what will be or was? But you said no, science will know. Now i gave you scientist and they don't seem to know. My Bible knows fa.



You should probably be reading submissions from the answersin genesis link for your geological evidence for divine judgement. Like i said earlier, one man's expert is another man's apprentice. The argument you presented seemed to have some fixated obsession on the Grand Canyon while Snelling talked extensively about fossils and then sediments spread across continents(continental-scale sedimentary layers). Snelling also argues for massive forces deposit and no sign of millions of years interval. i expect the critics to scientifically rebut these many issues instead of using some microscopic 'but' on the grand canyon as a rebuttal.

GothamCities:
Tell your gods n the USA to come debate me on this. You who were born of yesterday have no such depth of knowledge to debate these things.

Janosky:
John LYING miscreant, you don't have brain to comprehend anything in your screenshot post you
have made.
You are very desperate to derail this thread be bringing up another strange topic not intended by the Original Poster.
Tueh !

MaxInDHouse:
They now have thousands of churchians who don't agree with their Trinity God so it's better to allow them do their thing after all Jehovah's Witnesses stands out completely as no part of them!

Janosky:
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
This is the first time ever that a WAILING WAILER has made that claim.
Maybe the Armageddon in his head has been done and dusted,so he came online to inform us.

Janosky:
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You invented "gods in the USA" ,a figment of your deluded imagination.

When kids reason they invent "gods in the USA."

GothamCities:
Jesus came from everlasting. He has no beginning.

GothamCities:
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In Him dwells the fullness of the God-head bodily.

GothamCities:
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He is the Aloha and Omega, just as Jehovah Himself.
He is the Beginning and the Ending, just as Jehovah Himself. He is the Everlasting Father just as Jesus Himself.
He is the Prince of Peace, the Mighty God. The Government shall be upon His shoulder, and of the length and duration and increase of His government, there shall be no end

GothamCities:
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I've been studying the Bible long before you were born. Smiling.

GothamCities:
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You're the one who has 3 deities. We have one God who has manifested Himself in 3 forms.

GothamCities:
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Jesus is not angel Michael. The Bible is very clear on that.

GothamCities:
Who doesn't know that your so called GBs are your gods? Their words hold higher authority in your lives than that of Jesus himself.

I ask you, who bewitched you to this level of self deception and personally induced destruction?

You're actually the compete opposite if what a follower of Christ should be.

Janosky:
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?
This is the first time ever that a WAILING WAILER has made that claim.
Maybe the Armageddon in his head has been done and dusted,so he came online to inform us.

MaxInDHouse: How can Armageddon occurred yet

Janosky:
JW's didn't connect Armageddon to 1914.