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How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 7:49pm On Oct 27, 2024

How col 2.9 prove that Jesus is Almighty God and 2 Peter 1 vv4 does not teach Christians are become God because the participate in the divine nature.

Jehovah's Witnesses: How does Colossians 2:9, not prove the Trinity?
At Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of Colossians 2:9 clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.” (Col 1:19) Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” (KJ, Dy), because it was “by God’s own choice.” (NE) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father. Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”—Col 3:1.

Considering the immediate context of Colossians 2:9, it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7) In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.—Col 2:10-12.

Finally, at 2 Peter 1:3, 4 the apostle shows that by virtue of “the precious and very grand promises” extended to faithful anointed Christians, they “may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.” Elsewhere in the Scriptures, Christians are referred to as ‘sharing’ with Christ in his sufferings, in a death like his, and in a resurrection like his to immortality as spirit creatures, becoming joint heirs with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (1Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6) Thus it is evident that the sharing of Christians in “divine nature” is a sharing with Christ in his glory.

The verb form “to divine” generally means to employ divination, a practice directly condemned by Jehovah God.—De 18:10-12

“It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (Col. 1:19; 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.” (John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.

We must address several key issues with their understanding of the Greek word θεότης (theotēs), their interpretation of "fullness" in relation to Christ, and their attempt to diminish the deity of Christ by referencing other texts like 2 Peter 1:3-4. Let’s examine each aspect closely:

1. Greek Word θεότης (Theotēs) vs. θειότης (Theiotēs):

The Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that θεότης in Colossians 2:9 means “divine nature” or “divinity,” equating it with θειότης in Romans 1:20. They claim this allows them to render the passage as referring to Christ having a "divine quality" rather than the full essence of deity.

However, there is a significant difference between θεότης and θειότης. The former (θεότης) refers to the very essence of God, meaning the state of being God. This term encapsulates the fullness of divine nature, meaning that Christ possesses the entirety of what it means to be God. θειότης (used in Romans 1:20), on the other hand, refers to "divine qualities" or attributes that can be observed in creation, but does not signify the full essence of God.

By conflating θεότης with θειότης, the Jehovah's Witnesses commit a serious lexical error. Scholars such as A.T. Robertson, Bruce Metzger, and others have highlighted the specific choice of θεότης in Colossians 2:9 to emphasize Christ's full deity, not merely His possession of divine qualities. The word θεότης is a stronger term that underscores Christ’s full participation in the divine essence, distinguishing Him from any created being, including angels. In contrast, θειότης is never used in connection with Christ’s nature in this context, which makes the Jehovah's Witness interpretation both inaccurate and misleading.

2. Context of "Fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα):

The term "fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα) in Colossians 2:9 further emphasizes the complete and undivided nature of the deity that dwells in Christ. Jehovah’s Witnesses suggest that Christ possesses this fullness merely because "it pleased the Father" (Colossians 1:19). However, this reading misses the point. While Colossians 1:19 refers to God’s decision that all fullness dwells in Christ, Colossians 2:9 expands on this by stating that this fullness is the fullness of deity (θεότης), dwelling in Christ bodily.

Paul’s usage of πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα implies the totality of what it means to be God resides in Christ. This fullness is not limited or granted by the Father as if Christ were a mere vessel of divinity. Instead, Paul is stressing that the divine essence itself—the very nature of God—permanently dwells in Christ. This makes Christ fully and completely God, not merely a reflection or representative of God's attributes. The Jehovah's Witness argument that this fullness does not make Christ equal to God fails because it ignores the theological weight behind the terms used and the implications of θεότης.

3. Jesus is Not Merely Reflecting God’s Qualities:

Jehovah's Witnesses argue that Jesus reflects God's qualities, as seen in John 14:9 ("He that has seen me has seen the Father" wink

, but this does not align with the stronger assertions Paul makes in Colossians 2:9. If Paul had wanted to convey that Jesus merely reflected or shared divine qualities, he could have used θειότης or similar terminology. Instead, he chose θεότης to show that Jesus possesses the full essence of God.

Furthermore, the idea that Jesus is just a reflection of God’s qualities conflicts with Paul's assertion that in Christ "all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" are hidden (Colossians 2:3). Christ doesn’t just reflect or possess godly attributes; He embodies the totality of divine wisdom and knowledge, which points to His inherent divinity, not a delegated or derivative one.

4. Colossians 2:9 vs. 2 Peter 1:4:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses reference 2 Peter 1:4, where Christians are said to "share in the divine nature," to argue that Jesus sharing in divinity doesn’t make Him fully God. However, this is a false equivalence. In 2 Peter 1:4, the phrase "divine nature" refers to Christians partaking in God's holiness and moral characteristics through sanctification, not to them becoming gods or sharing in God’s essence. The word used here is theia physis, which refers to a participation in godly characteristics, not a sharing of the divine essence itself, which remains unique to God.

In contrast, Colossians 2:9 uses θεότης to express the idea that Christ possesses the full and complete essence of God, not merely attributes. The comparison between believers sharing in the “divine nature” and Christ possessing the fullness of deity is not appropriate because they are entirely different categories: one is transformative participation, and the other is essential nature.

5. Christ Seated at God’s Right Hand:

Jehovah's Witnesses often argue that since Christ is seated at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1), He must be subordinate to God. However, this argument misunderstands the function of the right-hand position in biblical and ancient contexts. Sitting at the right hand of a king did not imply inferiority but rather shared authority and honor. In fact, it was the highest place of honor one could have. Christ’s position at the right hand of God signifies His exaltation and co-rulership, not subordination in essence or nature.

Conclusion:

The Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of Colossians 2:9 is flawed on several levels. Their rendering of θεότης as "divine quality" ignores the deeper meaning of the term, which refers to the full essence of deity. Additionally, their attempt to diminish the significance of Christ possessing the fullness of deity ignores the specific vocabulary used by Paul to affirm Christ’s full divinity. The context of both Colossians 1:19 and 2:9 points to Christ being fully God, not merely a reflection or vessel of divine attributes. This understanding cannot be applied to any angel or created being, as no other being in Scripture is said to embody the fullness of deity as Christ does.
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Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 11:34pm On Oct 27, 2024

According to Steep (Trinitarian):
"Colossians 2:9, Jesus is Almighty God."

According to Bill Mounce Trinitarian & Greek language scholar:
"Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT FULLY God"

Oga, go and convince your fellow Trinitarian, Bill Mounce,wey know Greek pass you .

Your lengthy epistle na wash.

Trinitarians are forever confused & receiving conflicting info from their ghost deity invented at Nicene 381AD.
grin

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 11:42pm On Oct 27, 2024

Steep:
How col 2.9 prove that Jesus is Almighty God and 2 Peter 1 vv4 does not teach Christians are become God because the participate in the divine nature.

Jehovah's Witnesses: How does Colossians 2:9, not prove the Trinity?
At Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of Colossians 2:9 clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.” (Col 1:19) Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” (KJ, Dy), because it was “by God’s own choice.” (NE) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father. Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”—Col 3:1.

Considering the immediate context of Colossians 2:9, it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7) In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.—Col 2:10-12.

Finally, at 2 Peter 1:3, 4 the apostle shows that by virtue of “the precious and very grand promises” extended to faithful anointed Christians, they “may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.” Elsewhere in the Scriptures, Christians are referred to as ‘sharing’ with Christ in his sufferings, in a death like his, and in a resurrection like his to immortality as spirit creatures, becoming joint heirs with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (1Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6) Thus it is evident that the sharing of Christians in “divine nature” is a sharing with Christ in his glory.

The verb form “to divine” generally means to employ divination, a practice directly condemned by Jehovah God.—De 18:10-12

“It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (Col. 1:19; 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.” (John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.

We must address several key issues with their understanding of the Greek word θεότης (theotēs), their interpretation of "fullness" in relation to Christ, and their attempt to diminish the deity of Christ by referencing other texts like 2 Peter 1:3-4. Let’s examine each aspect closely:

1. Greek Word θεότης (Theotēs) vs. θειότης (Theiotēs):

The Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that θεότης in Colossians 2:9 means “divine nature” or “divinity,” equating it with θειότης in Romans 1:20. They claim this allows them to render the passage as referring to Christ having a "divine quality" rather than the full essence of deity.

However, there is a significant difference between θεότης and θειότης. The former (θεότης) refers to the very essence of God, meaning the state of being God. This term encapsulates the fullness of divine nature, meaning that Christ possesses the entirety of what it means to be God. θειότης (used in Romans 1:20), on the other hand, refers to "divine qualities" or attributes that can be observed in creation, but does not signify the full essence of God.

By conflating θεότης with θειότης, the Jehovah's Witnesses commit a serious lexical error. Scholars such as A.T. Robertson, Bruce Metzger, and others have highlighted the specific choice of θεότης in Colossians 2:9 to emphasize Christ's full deity, not merely His possession of divine qualities. The word θεότης is a stronger term that underscores Christ’s full participation in the divine essence, distinguishing Him from any created being, including angels. In contrast, θειότης is never used in connection with Christ’s nature in this context, which makes the Jehovah's Witness interpretation both inaccurate and misleading.

2. Context of "Fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα):

The term "fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα) in Colossians 2:9 further emphasizes the complete and undivided nature of the deity that dwells in Christ. Jehovah’s Witnesses suggest that Christ possesses this fullness merely because "it pleased the Father" (Colossians 1:19). However, this reading misses the point. While Colossians 1:19 refers to God’s decision that all fullness dwells in Christ, Colossians 2:9 expands on this by stating that this fullness is the fullness of deity (θεότης), dwelling in Christ bodily.

Paul’s usage of πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα implies the totality of what it means to be God resides in Christ. This fullness is not limited or granted by the Father as if Christ were a mere vessel of divinity. Instead, Paul is stressing that the divine essence itself—the very nature of God—permanently dwells in Christ. This makes Christ fully and completely God, not merely a reflection or representative of God's attributes. The Jehovah's Witness argument that this fullness does not make Christ equal to God fails because it ignores the theological weight behind the terms used and the implications of θεότης.

3. Jesus is Not Merely Reflecting God’s Qualities:

Jehovah's Witnesses argue that Jesus reflects God's qualities, as seen in John 14:9 ("He that has seen me has seen the Father", but this does not align with the stronger assertions Paul makes in Colossians 2:9. If Paul had wanted to convey that Jesus merely reflected or shared divine qualities, he could have used θειότης or similar terminology. Instead, he chose θεότης to show that Jesus possesses the full essence of God.

Furthermore, the idea that Jesus is just a reflection of God’s qualities conflicts with Paul's assertion that in Christ "all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" are hidden (Colossians 2:3). Christ doesn’t just reflect or possess godly attributes; He embodies the totality of divine wisdom and knowledge, which points to His inherent divinity, not a delegated or derivative one.

4. Colossians 2:9 vs. 2 Peter 1:4:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses reference 2 Peter 1:4, where Christians are said to "share in the divine nature," to argue that Jesus sharing in divinity doesn’t make Him fully God. However, this is a false equivalence. In 2 Peter 1:4, the phrase "divine nature" refers to Christians partaking in God's holiness and moral characteristics through sanctification, not to them becoming gods or sharing in God’s essence. The word used here is theia physis, which refers to a participation in godly characteristics, not a sharing of the divine essence itself, which remains unique to God.

In contrast, Colossians 2:9 uses θεότης to express the idea that Christ possesses the full and complete essence of God, not merely attributes. The comparison between believers sharing in the “divine nature” and Christ possessing the fullness of deity is not appropriate because they are entirely different categories: one is transformative participation, and the other is essential nature.

5. Christ Seated at God’s Right Hand:

Jehovah's Witnesses often argue that since Christ is seated at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1), He must be subordinate to God. However, this argument misunderstands the function of the right-hand position in biblical and ancient contexts. Sitting at the right hand of a king did not imply inferiority but rather shared authority and honor. In fact, it was the highest place of honor one could have. Christ’s position at the right hand of God signifies His exaltation and co-rulership, not subordination in essence or nature.

Conclusion:

The Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of Colossians 2:9 is flawed on several levels. Their rendering of θεότης as "divine quality" ignores the deeper meaning of the term, which refers to the full essence of deity. Additionally, their attempt to diminish the significance of Christ possessing the fullness of deity ignores the specific vocabulary used by Paul to affirm Christ’s full divinity. The context of both Colossians 1:19 and 2:9 points to Christ being fully God, not merely a reflection or vessel of divine attributes. This understanding cannot be applied to any angel or created being, as no other being in Scripture is said to embody the fullness of deity as Christ does.
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The same ghost deity deceiving you gave Bill Mounce a conflicting info contradictory to your claim.

Oga,go and rest.
You can't convince your fellow Trinitarians just dey your day..

Theiotes meaning divine quality. (Screenshot evidence)

JW's are very correct.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:48am On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
Jehovah's Witnesses: How does Colossians 2:9, not prove the Trinity?
Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that θεότης in Colossians 2:9 means “divine nature” or “divinity,”
Jehovah's Witnesses commit a serious lexical error.

Have you ever wondered why the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES always comes to your mind anytime you people are thinking about real scholars of the Bible?
Instead of arguing with God's organization why not concentrate on the benefits of your own doctrines if truly you people are worshiping the true God?

*Jesus sent his disciples to go and make disciples {Matthew 28:18-20} only Jehovah's Witnesses are making disciples who are active globally while all others just gather bench warners in worship centers making noise to disturb the peaceful neighborhood. Matthew 12:19

*Jesus commanded his disciples not to hate their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so that they can prove to be the children of their heavenly Father {Matthew 5:43-45} only Jehovah's Witnesses have become friendly throughout the earth never raising weapons against their neighbors. Matthew 26:52

*Jesus commanded his disciples to always obey those in high authority {Matthew 5:41} only Jehovah's Witnesses will never join in any protest against those in authority! Romans 13:1-3

*Jesus said his disciples will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} only Jehovah's Witnesses comes to mind when anyone talks about the religion where love for fellow believers is deeply rooted in their minds! 1Peter 4:8

*Jesus said his disciples will be spoken of abusively by other religionists around them {Matthew 5:11-12} only Jehovah's Witnesses comes to mind anytime different religions comes together to accuse a religion but they can't single out any evil this people did apart from their unique faith!

*Jesus commanded his disciples to be harmless as doves in the society {Matthew 10:16} only Jehovah's Witnesses members are never found among hooligans terrorizing their neighborhood.

I can go on and on but when it comes to faith in God each of you just wake up early in the morning and the next thing that comes to your mind is what to say against Jehovah's Witnesses yet you can't mention the name of your own church because you know quite well that there are thousands of different religions claiming they're all Christians contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines.
So what exactly do you gain deceiving yourself always raising your tongue against the one and only organization that's having unique faith? Isaiah 54:17

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 4:12am On Oct 28, 2024

Janosky:
The same ghost deity deceiving you gave Bill Mounce a conflicting info contradictory to your claim.

Oga,go and rest.
You can't convince your fellow Trinitarians just dey your day..

Theiotes meaning divine quality. (Screenshot evidence)

JW's are very correct.

I think the writer of the article is correct and you actually agreed with him, theiotes means divine qualities which is different from theotes which means the state of being God.
This clearly shows Jesus is Almighty God.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:30am On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
This clearly shows Jesus is Almighty God.

During his life on earth, (Jesus) offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Are you sure this person is the ALMIGHTY? cheesy

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 4:45am On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
During his life on earth, (Jesus) offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Are you sure this person is the ALMIGHTY?

yes in human form carrying out his mission.

This below is according to jw.org

SONG 104 God’s Gift of Holy Spirit

PREVIEW a

1. What can Jehovah do in order to accomplish his purpose?

JEHOVAH can become whatever is necessary in order to accomplish his purpose. For instance, Jehovah has become a Teacher, a Comforter, and an Evangelizer, just to name a few of his many roles. (Isa. 48:17; 2 Cor. 7:6; Gal. 3: cool

Still, he often uses humans to carry out his purposes. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20; 2 Cor. 1:3, 4)

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by johnw47: 5:07am On Oct 28, 2024

Janosky:

Trinitarians are forever confused & receiving conflicting info from their ghost deity invented at Nicene 381AD.

ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost fraud jw janonsense

u being lost r forever loving to mock, blaspheme, and lie about the Christians Holy Spirit of the Bible, of course:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:29am On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
yes in human form carrying out his mission.
This below is according to jw.org
SONG 104 God’s Gift of Holy Spirit
PREVIEW a
1. What can Jehovah do in order to accomplish his purpose?
JEHOVAH can become whatever is necessary in order to accomplish his purpose. For instance, Jehovah has become a Teacher, a Comforter, and an Evangelizer, just to name a few of his many roles. (Isa. 48:17; 2 Cor. 7:6; Gal. 3: Still, he often uses humans to carry out his purposes. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20; 2 Cor. 1:3, 4)

Of course Jehovah does whatever it takes to fulfill His purpose but He can not die or pray to anyone!

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 5:53am On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Jehovah does whatever it takes to fulfill His purpose but He can not die or pray to anyone!

God can take on human form and die, if Jehovah described himself as a "us" in Gen 1 v26 it means he can pray to Jehovah.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:02am On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
God can take on human form and die, if Jehovah described himself as a "us" in Gen 1 v26 it means he can pray to Jehovah.

There is just two entities at Genesis 1:26 talking:
Jehovah was talking to Archangel Michael (the prehuman Jesus) Proverbs 8:22-31

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 8:15am On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
There is just two entities at Genesis 1:26 talking:
Jehovah was talking to Archangel Michael (the prehuman Jesus) Proverbs 8:22-31

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

How can Jesus be angel Michael when he is greater than angel michael. Heb 1 vv 4

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Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:36am On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

When a rich man claims he builds a mansion all by himself does it mean he never employed craftsmen working for him?
The brain behind creation of things is Jehovah but after creating the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15 compare to Proverbs 8:22} Jehovah employed His firstborn Son to do other works under His supervision.

Steep:
How can Jesus be angel Michael when he is greater than angel michael.

Ọmọ Jesus is archangel Michael that's why the same angel is said to be the one standing for the salvation of obedient mankind! Daniel 12:1 compare to Matthew 23:37-38

Jesus is the head of all loyal spirit sons of God (angel) that's why he is called the "archangel". Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelations 12:7

Jesus is the resurrection {John 11:25} that's why his archangel's voice is used when it comes to the resurrection of dead souls! John 11:43 compare to 1Thessalonians 4:16

In the Bible book of Daniel 10:13 we read that Michael came to rescue the situation just as he did at Jude 1:9 this is the same angel who has been representing Jehovah for the salvation of God's people! Exodus 13:21; 14:19

So Jesus is the archangel Michael who often comes to salvage the situation anytime rebellious angels stands against the will of God!

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 10:55am On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
When a rich man claims he builds a mansion all by himself does it mean he never employed craftsmen working for him?

So which big man would say he build a mansion by himself whereas he didn't do it by himself.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Jehovah clearly said he strected the heavens alone and the earth by himself meaning there was no other being with him.

The brain behind creation of things is Jehovah but after creating the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15 compare to Proverbs 8:22} Jehovah employed His firstborn Son to do other works under His supervision.

According to Jehovah he alone stretched the heavens and he made the earth by himself.

Ọmọ Jesus is archangel Michael that's why the same angel is said to be the one standing for the salvation of obedient mankind! Daniel 12:1 compare to Matthew 23:37-38

Jesus is the head of all loyal spirit sons of God (angel) that's why he is called the "archangel". Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelations 12:7

Jesus is the resurrection {John 11:25} that's why his archangel's voice is used when it comes to the resurrection of dead souls! John 11:43 compare to 1Thessalonians 4:16

In the Bible book of Daniel 10:13 we read that Michael came to rescue the situation just as he did at Jude 1:9 this is the same angel who has been representing Jehovah for the salvation of God's people! Exodus 13:21; 14:19

So Jesus is the archangel Michael who often comes to salvage the situation anytime rebellious angels stands against the will of God!

But Jesus is greater than Michael. How can he be what he is greater than?
Heb 1:4

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by AntiChristian: 11:20am On Oct 28, 2024

See what this guy is turning God into just to favor trinity!

1. Did Jesus prayed and fasted to himself?

2. Was Jesus calling himself Father and son?

3. Was Jesus telling people he's going to meet himself, calling himself God?

4. Was Jesus accusing himself of forsaking himself on the cross?

5. Jesus's parent had to run away with Jesus to protect him as a baby! Na God dey run so?

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:47pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
So which big man would say he build a mansion by himself whereas he didn't do it by himself.

I know you will ask this question that's why i've hidden it from the beginning of our discussion.

This is what a King said about a city:

“Is this not Babylon the Great that I myself have built for the royal house by my own strength and might and for the glory of my majesty?” Daniel 4:30

Now Mr Steep please did king Nebuchadnezzar built the city of Babylon himself by his own strength?

Steep:
But Jesus is greater than Michael. How can he be what he is greater than? Heb 1:4

You quoted Hebrews 1:4

So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Jesus was an angel back in heaven but after his earthly mission he was GIVEN a HIGHER POSITION than theirs? Matthew 28:18

So it was after his earthly mission that Jesus earned a name and position that no angel has not before his earthly mission!

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 12:51pm On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
I know you will ask this question that's why i've hidden it from the beginning of our discussion.

This is what a King said about a city:

“Is this not Babylon the Great that I myself have built for the royal house by my own strength and might and for the glory of my majesty?” Daniel 4:30

Now Mr Steep please did king Nebuchadnezzar built the city of Babylon himself by his own strength?

Did he say he built it by himself?
Let me help you,

Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.

Again this only means his labour's it does not mean he did it by himself as Jehovah said he created by himself and no one with him.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:57pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
Did he say he built it by himself?
Let me help you,

Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.

Again this only means his labour's it does not mean he did it by himself as Jehovah said he created by himself and no one with him.

Guy nah the same thing.

Proverbs 8:22-31 clearly stated that someone was beside the Almighty God serving as the craftsman!

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Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 5:31pm On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
You quoted Hebrews 1:4

So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Jesus was an angel back in heaven but after his earthly mission he was GIVEN a HIGHER POSITION than theirs? Matthew 28:18

So it was after his earthly mission that Jesus earned a name and position that no angel has not before his earthly mission!

If Jesus is greater than The angels that means he is no part of the group called angels, simple basic comprehension.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:12pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
If Jesus is greater than The angels that means he is no part of the group called angels, simple basic comprehension.

Childish conclusion!

He BECAME not that he was BORN (CREATED) higher than them it's as if saying the President of America is greater than an average citizen of America. Of course that's a statement of fact but he was never BORN greater than any citizen rather he BECAME GREATER after being sworn in as President of America.
So Jesus BECAME GREATER than the angels after his successful earthly mission but before then he was also one of God's spirit sons (angels) in heaven!

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Steep(op): 6:19pm On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Childish conclusion!

He BECAME not that he was BORN (CREATED) higher than them it's as if saying the President of America is greater than an average citizen of America. Of course that's a statement of fact but he was never BORN greater than any citizen rather he BECAME GREATER after being sworn in as President of America.
So Jesus BECAME GREATER than the angels after his successful earthly mission but before then he was also one of God's spirit sons (angels) in heaven!

🤦max that verse literally just separated Jesus from the angels. Arch angel Micheal is an angel just like the rest but Jesus is greater than all the angels including michael. That verse just destroyed jehovah witness teaching that Jesus is archangel Michael. Nobody is arguing against you that Jesus was not made greater than the angels. The subsequent verse clearly state that Jesus was a human made a little lower than the angels but crowned with glory and honor.
Note how Jesus is separated from the angels repeatedly, the writer was actually debunking the heresy that Jesus was some high ranking angel such as Jehovah witness teach.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:29pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
🤦

Study your Bible not just swallowing whatever your pastors told you claiming God is a Trinity something you can't find inside the Bible.

Even the verse you quote Hebrews 1:4 clearly stated:

So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. Hebrews 1:4

Jesus himself said:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

WHY?

Because he has accomplished a great task that none of his brothers in heaven was willing to do for mankind! John 19:30

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Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 10:02pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
Did he say he built it by himself?
Let me help you,

.

Daniel 4:30

“Is this not Babylon the Great that I myself have built for the royal house by my own strength........"

Oga Steep,why are you denying Daniel 4:30?

The Babylonian King said he himself built Babylon.

Steep:
Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.

Again this only means his labour's it does not mean he did it by himself as Jehovah said he created by himself and no one with him
.

Trinitarian iwuruwuru of Genesis 1 :26 thoroughly debunked by Isaiah 44:24 ;
Oga Steep post:
"Jehovah said He created by himself and no one with him".

Oga, how many deities are you referring to @ Isaiah 44:24?

You Trinitarians teaching FALSE doctrine, where is your 2nd & 3rd person deities @ Isaiah 44:24?

@ Isaiah 44:24,Jehovah God Himself proven that the 2nd & 3rd person deities of Trinity were invention of men at Nicene in 381 AD.

Oga, you have debunked your Trinitarian claim of Genesis 1:26.
Pls Bookmark this point for record purposes.

Congratulations
grin

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 10:09pm On Oct 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Study your Bible not just swallowing whatever your pastors told you claiming God is a Trinity something you can't find inside the Bible.

Even the verse you quote Hebrews 1:4 clearly stated:

So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. Hebrews 1:4

Jesus himself said:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

WHY?

Because he has accomplished a great task that none of his brothers in heaven was willing to do for mankind! John 19:30

Very correct.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by imiski(m): 10:33pm On Oct 28, 2024

You people are just arguing about a doctrine added to Christianity just to appease the Egyptians

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 11:14pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
If Jesus is greater than The angels that means he is no part of the group called angels, simple basic comprehension.

Let us examine the evidence from the holy scriptures.
Psalms 103:20, John 14:24. Hebrew 1:4,9.

Psalms 103:20
"Bless Yahweh, all you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word"
.,
John 14:24
".....my words are not my own. They are the word of my Father who sent me. "

Hebrew 1:4
"So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." Hebrews 1:4

Hebrew 1:9
"You loved righteousness ...Therefore the God your God has anointed you with oil of gladness above your peers "

Jesus Christ is an angel jare "to the extent he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs "

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by Janosky: 11:24pm On Oct 28, 2024

Steep:
🤦max that verse literally just separated Jesus from the angels. Arch angel Micheal is an angel just like the rest but Jesus is greater than all the angels including michael. That verse just destroyed jehovah witness teaching that Jesus is archangel Michael. Nobody is arguing against you that Jesus was not made greater than the angels. The subsequent verse clearly state that Jesus was a human made a little lower than the angels but crowned with glory and honor.
Note how Jesus is separated from the angels repeatedly, the writer was actually debunking the heresy that Jesus was some high ranking angel such as Jehovah witness teach.

Jesus Obedience to the words of Yahweh his Father @ Psalms 103:20 & John 14:24, the same assignment all angels perform.

A fact confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.
Every angel is created by God, Isaiah 6:8. Psalms 103:20.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:52am On Oct 29, 2024

Janosky:
Very correct.

TRINITY has been defined and redefined 1,000 times yet trinitarians can't come up with one definition that's universal because it's the same MYSTERY mentioned in Bible book of Revelation 17:5
So when i see trinitarians i just laugh at them because they worship what they don't even know! John 4:22

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by johnw47: 8:06am On Oct 29, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
TRINITY has been defined and redefined 1,000 times yet trinitarians can't come up with one definition that's universal because it's the same MYSTERY mentioned in Bible book of Revelation 17:5
So when i see trinitarians i just laugh at them because they worship what they don't even know! John 4:22

lost false jw mad max

of course you laugh at others, even though your sin is much worse than most others,
and Jehovah Himself laughs at evildoers, such as blaspemers of the Holy Spirit for one

Psa 37:13 The Lord laughs at him (evildoer), For He sees his day is coming

false jw, you posted the lie that emusan and others are the same person,
you said the Holy Spirit told you that, making out the Holy Spirit is a liar too, like you are

false jw janonsense also blasphemes the Holy Spirit, calling Him; "the ole demon ghost" +,
other false jw's jumped in with; "the unholy ghost", etc. you all had a ball liking each others posts
of mocking the Spirit

Psa 37:13 The Lord laughs at him (evildoer), For He sees his day is coming

the day is coming for you liars and blasphemers of the Spirit,
Jehovah laughs at evildoers

liars:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

blasphemers of the Holy Spirit:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by gohf: 2:24pm On Jan 18, 2025

Janosky:
According to Steep (Trinitarian):
"Colossians 2:9, Jesus is Almighty God."

According to Bill Mounce Trinitarian & Greek language scholar:
"Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT FULLY God"

Oga, go and convince your fellow Trinitarian, Bill Mounce,wey know Greek pass you .

Your lengthy epistle na wash.

Trinitarians are forever confused & receiving conflicting info from their ghost deity invented at Nicene 381AD.

😂

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by TenQ: 2:36pm On Jan 18, 2025

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

of course you laugh at others, even though your sin is much worse than most others,
and Jehovah Himself laughs at evildoers, such as blaspemers of the Holy Spirit for one

Psa 37:13 The Lord laughs at him (evildoer), For He sees his day is coming

false jw, you posted the lie that emusan and others are the same person,
you said the Holy Spirit told you that, making out the Holy Spirit is a liar too, like you are

false jw janonsense also blasphemes the Holy Spirit, calling Him; "the ole demon ghost" +,
other false jw's jumped in with; "the unholy ghost", etc. you all had a ball liking each others posts
of mocking the Spirit

Psa 37:13 The Lord laughs at him (evildoer), For He sees his day is coming

the day is coming for you liars and blasphemers of the Spirit,
Jehovah laughs at evildoers

liars:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

blasphemers of the Holy Spirit:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Please, Withdraw from this thread sir.
It is a deliberate attempt by JWs to overwhelm the religion section with posts on trinity.

Re: How Col 2.9 Prove That Jesus Is Almighty God And 2 Peter 1 Vv4 Does Not Teach by gohf: 3:19pm On Jan 18, 2025

Steep:
How col 2.9 prove that Jesus is Almighty God and 2 Peter 1 vv4 does not teach Christians are become God because the participate in the divine nature.

Jehovah's Witnesses: How does Colossians 2:9, not prove the Trinity?
At Colossians 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of Colossians 2:9 clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.” (Col 1:19) Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” (KJ, Dy), because it was “by God’s own choice.” (NE) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father. Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”—Col 3:1.

Considering the immediate context of Colossians 2:9, it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7) In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.—Col 2:10-12.

Finally, at 2 Peter 1:3, 4 the apostle shows that by virtue of “the precious and very grand promises” extended to faithful anointed Christians, they “may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.” Elsewhere in the Scriptures, Christians are referred to as ‘sharing’ with Christ in his sufferings, in a death like his, and in a resurrection like his to immortality as spirit creatures, becoming joint heirs with him in the heavenly Kingdom. (1Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6) Thus it is evident that the sharing of Christians in “divine nature” is a sharing with Christ in his glory.

The verb form “to divine” generally means to employ divination, a practice directly condemned by Jehovah God.—De 18:10-12

“It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.” (Col. 1:19; 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.” (John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.

We must address several key issues with their understanding of the Greek word θεότης (theotēs), their interpretation of "fullness" in relation to Christ, and their attempt to diminish the deity of Christ by referencing other texts like 2 Peter 1:3-4. Let’s examine each aspect closely:

1. Greek Word θεότης (Theotēs) vs. θειότης (Theiotēs):

The Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that θεότης in Colossians 2:9 means “divine nature” or “divinity,” equating it with θειότης in Romans 1:20. They claim this allows them to render the passage as referring to Christ having a "divine quality" rather than the full essence of deity.

However, there is a significant difference between θεότης and θειότης. The former (θεότης) refers to the very essence of God, meaning the state of being God. This term encapsulates the fullness of divine nature, meaning that Christ possesses the entirety of what it means to be God. θειότης (used in Romans 1:20), on the other hand, refers to "divine qualities" or attributes that can be observed in creation, but does not signify the full essence of God.

By conflating θεότης with θειότης, the Jehovah's Witnesses commit a serious lexical error. Scholars such as A.T. Robertson, Bruce Metzger, and others have highlighted the specific choice of θεότης in Colossians 2:9 to emphasize Christ's full deity, not merely His possession of divine qualities. The word θεότης is a stronger term that underscores Christ’s full participation in the divine essence, distinguishing Him from any created being, including angels. In contrast, θειότης is never used in connection with Christ’s nature in this context, which makes the Jehovah's Witness interpretation both inaccurate and misleading.

2. Context of "Fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα):

The term "fullness" (πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα) in Colossians 2:9 further emphasizes the complete and undivided nature of the deity that dwells in Christ. Jehovah’s Witnesses suggest that Christ possesses this fullness merely because "it pleased the Father" (Colossians 1:19). However, this reading misses the point. While Colossians 1:19 refers to God’s decision that all fullness dwells in Christ, Colossians 2:9 expands on this by stating that this fullness is the fullness of deity (θεότης), dwelling in Christ bodily.

Paul’s usage of πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα implies the totality of what it means to be God resides in Christ. This fullness is not limited or granted by the Father as if Christ were a mere vessel of divinity. Instead, Paul is stressing that the divine essence itself—the very nature of God—permanently dwells in Christ. This makes Christ fully and completely God, not merely a reflection or representative of God's attributes. The Jehovah's Witness argument that this fullness does not make Christ equal to God fails because it ignores the theological weight behind the terms used and the implications of θεότης.

3. Jesus is Not Merely Reflecting God’s Qualities:

Jehovah's Witnesses argue that Jesus reflects God's qualities, as seen in John 14:9 ("He that has seen me has seen the Father", but this does not align with the stronger assertions Paul makes in Colossians 2:9. If Paul had wanted to convey that Jesus merely reflected or shared divine qualities, he could have used θειότης or similar terminology. Instead, he chose θεότης to show that Jesus possesses the full essence of God.

Furthermore, the idea that Jesus is just a reflection of God’s qualities conflicts with Paul's assertion that in Christ "all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" are hidden (Colossians 2:3). Christ doesn’t just reflect or possess godly attributes; He embodies the totality of divine wisdom and knowledge, which points to His inherent divinity, not a delegated or derivative one.

4. Colossians 2:9 vs. 2 Peter 1:4:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses reference 2 Peter 1:4, where Christians are said to "share in the divine nature," to argue that Jesus sharing in divinity doesn’t make Him fully God. However, this is a false equivalence. In 2 Peter 1:4, the phrase "divine nature" refers to Christians partaking in God's holiness and moral characteristics through sanctification, not to them becoming gods or sharing in God’s essence. The word used here is theia physis, which refers to a participation in godly characteristics, not a sharing of the divine essence itself, which remains unique to God.

In contrast, Colossians 2:9 uses θεότης to express the idea that Christ possesses the full and complete essence of God, not merely attributes. The comparison between believers sharing in the “divine nature” and Christ possessing the fullness of deity is not appropriate because they are entirely different categories: one is transformative participation, and the other is essential nature.

5. Christ Seated at God’s Right Hand:

Jehovah's Witnesses often argue that since Christ is seated at the right hand of God (Colossians 3:1), He must be subordinate to God. However, this argument misunderstands the function of the right-hand position in biblical and ancient contexts. Sitting at the right hand of a king did not imply inferiority but rather shared authority and honor. In fact, it was the highest place of honor one could have. Christ’s position at the right hand of God signifies His exaltation and co-rulership, not subordination in essence or nature.

Conclusion:

The Jehovah’s Witness interpretation of Colossians 2:9 is flawed on several levels. Their rendering of θεότης as "divine quality" ignores the deeper meaning of the term, which refers to the full essence of deity. Additionally, their attempt to diminish the significance of Christ possessing the fullness of deity ignores the specific vocabulary used by Paul to affirm Christ’s full divinity. The context of both Colossians 1:19 and 2:9 points to Christ being fully God, not merely a reflection or vessel of divine attributes. This understanding cannot be applied to any angel or created being, as no other being in Scripture is said to embody the fullness of deity as Christ does.
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Even though I am not JWs, let me address this for the sake for my brothers and sisters in the true body of Christ so they don't be deceived.

Colossians:2:9 For in Christ there is all of God in a human body;

Now there's only one mention of the Greek word theotetos but what they translate is theotes, common sense states both are not the same word, why not translate the main word. I agree it's not the same word theias which defined as divine, deity, divinity, Godlike. It even goes more to show that theotetos probably has a meaning that wasn't properly translated to English. So instead of debating Greek, let's look at all of what is written

So no matter what you want to make of the verse, it doesn't change the fact that Jesus said God is in him, the Father is in him and he is in the Father but still he never said not equated himself to God this is important especially since you quoted Paul saying we shouldn't use human philosophy, if Jesus himself who explains the Father being in him, who says Father and himself are one, says the Father is greater than He is, then why you do believe that he is the Father? Are you not confused?!

Now here says All of God, All that is from God, whether you call it fullness, God's nature, God's form, all of the Spirit of God. All join, Jesus Christ had that in him, now because all of that is in Jesus does that make him God, so then we who have Christ is us are also God as well?!

What even makes God God isn't it holiness, is it some divinity like the Greek and Asgard gods? No, it's holiness, HOLY HOLY HOLY are you LORD GOD Almighty. And Jesus is full of God's holiness.

Let's increase the light a bit and read

Colossians:2:8-10

Don’t let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men’s thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body; so you have everything when you have Christ, and you are filled with God through your union with Christ. He is the highest Ruler, with authority over every other power.

But it does start from verses 8, glad you quoted verses 3 as well so

In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I am telling you this so that no one will be able to deceive you with persuasive arguments.

Col.2.6&7 - And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to live in obedience to him. Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from him, so you will grow in faith, strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with thanksgiving for all he has done.

Paul is stating that everything we need for life and godliness is in Christ, God put it all in Christ for us. So let's not be distracted. Instead of understanding what Paul is saying you are trying to validate a false doctrine from a sentence

You quoted Col 1:19
Col.1.19 - For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.

So our real Savior isn't Christ but YHVH who worked through him, like he did through Moses for the people of Israel, that's why Jesus said I can do nothing on my own, the father works so I work. Does God not work in us as well and through us all
1Cor.12.6 There are different ways God works in our lives, but it is the same God who does the work through all of us. this doesn't make us God.

If God only dwelt and work in Jesus that would be different but does same with us, so are we now God? Expect you desire to God would you believe such. We receive what God gave Christ, does that now make us God? No it doesn't.

Let's read earlier verses of Colossians 1
Col.1.12 always thanking the Father, who has enabled you to share the inheritance that belongs to God's holy people, who live in the light. (15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

What is the purpose of what we receive, if it's not for us to be God..

2Pet.1.3 - As we know Jesus better, his divine power gives us everything we need for living a godly life. He has called us to receive his own glory and goodness!
2Pet.1.4 - And by that same mighty power, he has given us all of his rich and wonderful promises. He has promised that you will escape the decadence all around you caused by evil desires and that you will share in his divine nature.

Col.3.1 - Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits at God's right hand in the place of honor and power.

So instead of thinking that you are God or that Christ is God and in turn you are as well

Col.3.2 - Let heaven fill your thoughts. Do not think only about things down here on earth.
3 - For you died when Christ died, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God.
4 - And when Christ, who is your real life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.
5 - So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual sin, impurity, lust, and shameful desires. Don't be greedy for the good things of this life, for that is idolatry.

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