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i have no idea of an APC coven, i simply tell you what every normal Nigerian knows. Nigeria has always been a great country with vast resources, both human and natural. The PDP mismanaged that. Everyone knows that the military did likewise so we're not discussing the military era, or are we? The only people who think military is somehow better are not APC folks but sore losers of the 2023 elections, especially the young Obi followers who prefer a military takeover is their candidate is not president. The PDP years saw the biggest oil boom which was global. They refused to take advantage of it and of the goodwill enjoyed from the commity of nations around. Instead, the stole us dry and gave virtually nothing in infrastructure, neither saved for the rainy day. The fx reserves fell to about $30 billion, the lowest in 10 years. The CBN accused the government of a missing $20billion aside from other thefts. By the time they were voted out, the country was already in trouble, and like you accepted unable to pay common salaries.
By 2013, the only operational segment of Nigeria's rail network was between Lagos and Kano. Passenger trains took 31 hours to complete the journey at an average speed of 45 km/h. Today, the APC has given us standard guage lines Abuja to Kaduna (187 km) opened officially on 26 July 2016. Warri–Itakpe Railway that begun in 1987 was completed by APC in 2020. The 157 kilometre Lagos–Ibadan section began construction in March 2017 and was inaugurated on 10 June 2021. This is not forgetting the modern station buildings that have been constructed along all new standard gauge lines, the Lagos metro lines and all the other ongoing constructions. Which one did PDP build or complete aside from using them for election campaign and promises? Kindly bring up proof of the current FG borrowing to pay salaries. i have receipts of Okonjo having headache and borrowing which you agree to.

Ok. The PDP mismanaged Nigeria's resources and APC is managing it well with illegal mining, crude oil theft, naira devaluation and closing down of industries abi

It makes sense to you to claim that PDP handed over a horrible country to APC but you don't want to look at what PDP inherited. How does that sound to you? You're claiming that fx reserves fell to $30bn from where? Did PDP meet fx reserves at over $30bn? What was the fx reserves by the time APC took over and what is it now? What was debt when PDP took over and what was debt when APC took over and what is debt now? You need to stop telling lies about this inability to pay salaries. It only happened in a specific month. The same Okonjo Iweala left over $2.2bn NLNG dividends for Buhari. So what's all the cry about inability to pay salaries? Did Buhari not borrow to pay salaries? Has Tinubu not borrowed to pay salaries?
Reduce your lies abeg. Is Lagos-Kano working now since APC took over? Abuja-Kaduna read built by PDP. Even Amaechi accepted that it was virtually complete before he took office. So how did APC build it. APC did not also build Warri-Itakpe. Go and get your facts right. The rail already existed and APC only rehabilitated it. It was built for transport of iron ore not for passengers which is why it was never used. How does it even make sense to build a rail between Warri and Itakpe for anyone with common sense if not that it was already existing. The current govt love lies and propaganda which is why they'll never tell you what they are using the monies for but you'll just see debt increasing.
It's just like the current lie of revenue increasing when the main component that's been increasing is the VAT and the foreign exchange differentials while the statutory revenue has been decreasing

tctrills:
Palliatives are not in our constitution so the federal government can remove it. And for a very poor country like Nigeria, every 0.04% of our budget matters to a serious government.
Once again, let me clearly state that the States do not decide how the federal budget is spent.
I also think that it is a bit irresponsible to assume that 0.04% of the budget wasted would not hurt or kill in a country where people die of poverty. Every Kobo wasted would ultimately lead to death one way or the other. We can't afford to waste a Kobo without deadly results in a country like 9ja

Clearly a case of focusing on the gnat and stubbornly swallowing the camel. Your so called sustainable projects are littered over the over 99.95%. Giving is not a waste, some people were helped, some poor people smiled, some poor people didn't go hungry.
While i am of the teach a man how to fish instead of giving him fish school, i clearly accept that some men need fish as an emergency before they can later be taught to fish. 10k even 2k can help some people and it has. FG has every constitutional right to give, just like any other institution or philanthropy.

CharlesofJesus:
E no good make person no dey talk better if em see small good from the present administration. Even though I no too like the jagaban based on some of his policies like that but I see this one chop from am.

You see collect, my area nobody see collect so I believe say dem nor do anything. This administration is affecting people badly.

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Clearly a case of focusing on the gnat and stubbornly swallowing the camel. Your so called sustainable projects are littered over the over 99.95%. Giving is not a waste, some people were helped, some poor people smiled, some poor people didn't go hungry.
While i am of the teach a man how to fish instead of giving him fish school, i clearly accept that some men need fish as an emergency before they can later be taught to fish. 10k even 2k can help some people and it has. FG has every constitutional right to give, just like any other institution or philanthropy.

Really, you think Nigeria is littered with projects? That is very laughable. The so called 99.5% is not even enough for the very few projects and that's why your government results in borrowing every year.
Now let's talk about the act of giving. Your government has over 120 million people in poverty. What qualifies a person to benefit from the 10 billion? Clearly, most poor Nigerians are left out from this scheme making it unfair to most. Yes, if you give a poor man a plate of rice he will smile but the question remains, how sustainable is the scheme? 10 billion naira cannot feed 1% of the poor in Nigeria one meal a day for the entire year. Think about that. So you mean to tell me that government launching a program that feeds less than 1% of the poor is just and fair and not a terrible use of money because in Your words, some people will smile?
Let's do some maths here, assuming that not a Kobo of the money is stolen, and the government gives 2k to each person, it would only touch 5 million people in a country with more than 120 million people in poverty. That's a very foolish use of government money.
It's unfair to the other 115 million hungry people. And it's not even sufficient to feed the recipients for 5 days. Yes they would smile but you have not solved their problem, you only delayed it by less than 5 days and the money is gone.

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But people were here calling Tinubu Mr. Rice and complaining that he should stop sharing rice. Are we saying that the government didn't share rice again?

For me, I ve never seen anyone that is a confirmed beneficiary. I only hear it on the news ooo

How and where did they share it?

tctrills:
Really, you think Nigeria is littered with projects? That is very laughable. The so called 99.5% is not even enough for the very few projects and that's why your government results in borrowing every year.
Now let's talk about the act of giving. Your government has over 120 million people in poverty. What qualifies a person to benefit from the 10 billion? Clearly, most poor Nigerians are left out from this scheme making it unfair to most. Yes, if you give a poor man a plate of rice he will smile but the question remains, how sustainable is the scheme? 10 billion naira cannot feed 1% of the poor in Nigeria one meal a day for the entire year. Think about that. So you mean to tell me that government launching a program that feeds less than 1% of the poor is just and fair and not a terrible use of money because in Your words, some people will smile?
Let's do some maths here, assuming that not a Kobo of the money is stolen, and the government gives 2k to each person, it would only touch 5 million people in a country with more than 120 million people in poverty. That's a very foolish use of government money.
It's unfair to the other 115 million hungry people. And it's not even sufficient to feed the recipients for 5 days. Yes they would smile but you have not solved their problem, you only delayed it by less than 5 days and the money is gone.

Are roads and electricity sustainable projects? Is education and health sustainable project? Is agriculture sustainable project? Just to mention a few, there are projects ongoing and budgetted for inall these areas and ministries. If you somehow believe this one from the budget but refuse to believe those other ones in the budget, it is your hypocrisy not mine.
Giving can never be enough in any part of the world. You are free to correct me with facts on where giving is enough in the world. Throwing out the baby with the bath water therefore removes the human face in governance. Thankfully, governance is not just the opinion of tctrills but a collective opinion of many who feel otherwise. i have not heard that your 120million people have since die since they did not get enough palliative, so it's advisable you keep your alarmist mind in check.

Ojuntana:
Ok. The PDP mismanaged Nigeria's resources and APC is managing it well with illegal mining, crude oil theft, naira devaluation and closing down of industries abi

At last, we have breakthrough, you agree that PDP mismanaged Nigeria's resources. Illegal mining, crude oil theft, naira devaluation and closing down of industries did not just start.

It makes sense to you to claim that PDP handed over a horrible country to APC but you don't want to look at what PDP inherited. How does that sound to you? You're claiming that fx reserves fell to $30bn from where? Did PDP meet fx reserves at over $30bn? What was the fx reserves by the time APC took over and what is it now? What was debt when PDP took over and what was debt when APC took over and what is debt now? You need to stop telling lies about this inability to pay salaries. It only happened in a specific month. The same Okonjo Iweala left over $2.2bn NLNG dividends for Buhari. So what's all the cry about inability to pay salaries? Did Buhari not borrow to pay salaries? Has Tinubu not borrowed to pay salaries?

i know what PDP inherited and i kow how they mismanaged our biggest oil boom and 16years of goodwill and opportunities. Nigeria's oil sector is the main source of its foreign exchange earnings and budgetary revenues. During GEJ's administration, Nigeria earned over $454 billion in oil revenue. So it's crazily scandalous for him to leave us with about $30billion both in reserves and negatives in debt. You don't seem to know the meaning and implications of squandering. This is a man that left Nigeria with total public debt of approximately $63 billion.
We still have receipts here on NL and on the newspapers.
https://www.nairaland.com/1368925/gej-puts-nigeria-fresh-debt
You have the guts to talk about NLNG dividends? The same NLNG that pwas said to pay $14.7billion to Okonjo's FG just in 2014? How would Buhari not borrow to pay salaries when your master crippled the country? Even though that was just some month in 2020 out of a 8 year reign with lean resources. You are free to point me to the news like we have receipts of Okonjo's headaches during the years of the prodigal son. i am yet to hear of Tinubu borrowing to pay salaries, kindly point this out with proof.

Reduce your lies abeg. Is Lagos-Kano working now since APC took over? Abuja-Kaduna read built by PDP. Even Amaechi accepted that it was virtually complete before he took office. So how did APC build it. APC did not also build Warri-Itakpe. Go and get your facts right. The rail already existed and APC only rehabilitated it. It was built for transport of iron ore not for passengers which is why it was never used. How does it even make sense to build a rail between Warri and Itakpe for anyone with common sense if not that it was already existing. The current govt love lies and propaganda which is why they'll never tell you what they are using the monies for but you'll just see debt increasing.
It's just like the current lie of revenue increasing when the main component that's been increasing is the VAT and the foreign exchange differentials while the statutory revenue has been decreasing

i said that "By 2013, the only operational segment of Nigeria's rail network was between Lagos and Kano. Passenger trains took 31 hours to complete the journey at an average speed of 45 km/h. " That was the ONLY railline that had any semblance of function during the PDP years and it was evidently very poor. Lagos to Kano is in phases/segments, duh. It is a total 1,343 kilometres and Abuja to Kaduna is part of the segments, it was completed by APC. The segment between Abuja and Kaduna officially opened in July 2016. The segment between Lagos and Ibadan was flagged off in June 2021.
Facts don't lie, there was no single rail working in Nigeria apart from the aforementioned, before the APC. It was only promises, excuses, paucity of funds and budgets for decades. GEJ even told us that we cannot afford new trains, chai. Why did PDP not make Warri to Itakpe work from 1999 to 2015, mr commonsense?
Lolz. Let me not mention the over $15billion stolen from boko haram fight by PDP. Not crude oil oh.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/nigeria-says-15-billion-stolen-in-security-spending-scams
Not to forget when GEJ was indicted that massive poverty and unemployment was killing Nigerians in the midst of plenty.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/138525-world-bank-indicts-jonathans-government-says-massive-poverty-unemployment-killing-nigerians.html

Or Okonjo warning us to brace up for tougher times ahead.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/171145-brace-tougher-times-ahead-okonjo-iweala-tells-nigerians.html

We remember eith sadness how about twenty four states were struggling to pay salaries during Jonathan administeration. We cannot forget how CBN sold over $26billion of our external reserves in 2013. Your coming here to gaslight the gullible is indeed shameful and pathetic. Anyway, your continued loss is eminent. The majority now know better and more are knowing. If you like, keep twisting facts, it's your daily bread you are fighting for, but it will not succeed. Plus, you will all face divine judgement for your wickedness to this country.

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Are roads and electricity sustainable projects? Is education and health sustainable project? Is agriculture sustainable project? Just to mention a few, there are projects ongoing and budgetted for inall these areas and ministries. If you somehow believe this one from the budget but refuse to believe those other ones in the budget, it is your hypocrisy not mine.
Giving can never be enough in any part of the world. You are free to correct me with facts on where giving is enough in the world. Throwing out the baby with the bath water therefore removes the human face in governance. Thankfully, governance is not just the opinion of tctrills but a collective opinion of many who feel otherwise. i have not heard that your 120million people have since die since they did not get enough palliative, so it's advisable you keep your alarmist mind in check.

Oga what are you saying? Yes we have road projects and hospitals, these are sustainable but are you making the claim that these are enough. You seem to be saying that your gov has built enough roads electricity plants educational institutions and hospitals that they can now waste the remaining 0.04% of the budget.
I am of the opposing view that even if 100% of the budget was spent on sustainable projects, it still wouldn't be enough so why waste even a Kobo on unsustainable projects.
You also say that you are thankful that government is not just my opinion and I agree with you but clearly the collective opinion in Aso rock is doing a very bad job. That is why Nigeria is one of the poorest and deadliest places on health. Maybe, just maybe the opinion of tctrills isn't that bad compared to the vampires you voted into power.
Lastly, you say you have not heard that the poor in Nigeria are dying and I wonder where you get your news from.
The life expectancy of the average Nigerian is 52.68 year. This is even less than that of Gaza.
Oga, Nigerians are dropping like flies. And poverty is the number 1 cause of the low life expectancy.

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At last, we have breakthrough, you agree that PDP mismanaged Nigeria's resources. Illegal mining, crude oil theft, naira devaluation and closing down of industries did not just start.

PDP mismanaged Nigeria no doubt. But APC is far worse. In fact, where PDP scored 2 in terms of mismanagement, APC will score 8. The aforementioned all assumed alarming proportions under APC. PDP on the average sustained oil production at 2m barrels. APC even reached 900kbarrels at one point. All due to the criminals and political looters in the rank and file of APC

i know what PDP inherited and i kow how they mismanaged our biggest oil boom and 16years of goodwill and opportunities. Nigeria's oil sector is the main source of its foreign exchange earnings and budgetary revenues. During GEJ's administration, Nigeria earned over $454 billion in oil revenue. So it's crazily scandalous for him to leave us with about $30billion both in reserves and negatives in debt. You don't seem to know the meaning and implications of squandering. This is a man that left Nigeria with total public debt of approximately $63 billion.
We still have receipts here on NL and on the newspapers.
https://www.nairaland.com/1368925/gej-puts-nigeria-fresh-debt
You have the guts to talk about NLNG dividends? The same NLNG that pwas said to pay $14.7billion to Okonjo's FG just in 2014? How would Buhari not borrow to pay salaries when your master crippled the country? Even though that was just some month in 2020 out of a 8 year reign with lean resources. You are free to point me to the news like we have receipts of Okonjo's headaches during the years of the prodigal son. i am yet to hear of Tinubu borrowing to pay salaries, kindly point this out with proof.

See lies everywhere. Are you even aware that oil price under APC has been far better than oil price under PDP? Oil price in 1999 up to 2003 was less than $20. The analysis had been done so many times. Stop feeding yourselves lies. Just imagine the lie that you just told now. So how much have APC made from crude sale and how much can they account for? Has debt not hit alarming heights under APC? At least PDP paid the debts they met before accumulating theirs. Has APC paid any debts since they took office? No be to add debts to debts? And quit the lies.

In 2018, the Nigerian government debt-to-GDP ratio is estimated to be in the region of 24.1 per cent. Then it rose from 7.3% in 2008 to 38.4% in June 2023.

The above is CEIC records. That's how oshiomole came back from US and lied that he was told by the US that a minister stole $6bn only for the US to burst his lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33689115

https://newswirengr.com/2015/08/22/us-govt-frowns-at-governor-oshiomhole-for-lying-over-comments-alleging-6bn-stolen-by-jonathans-minister/

Seems you were hibernating when Gov. Obaseki raised the alarm that CBN was printing to pay allocations to states. That ended up as a debt of N27trn. Yet you are here saying you never heard of APC borrowing to pay salaries.
What about the money borrowed by Tinubu from World Bank? What is it being used for? What is the cause of delays in FG workers' salaries in November and December last year? Even the minimum wage turned out to be a fraud!! So how much has your APC that is not mismanaging declaring as NLNG dividends or has dividends payment stopped when they took over?

i said that "By 2013, the only operational segment of Nigeria's rail network was between Lagos and Kano. Passenger trains took 31 hours to complete the journey at an average speed of 45 km/h. " That was the ONLY railline that had any semblance of function during the PDP years and it was evidently very poor. Lagos to Kano is in phases/segments, duh. It is a total 1,343 kilometres and Abuja to Kaduna is part of the segments, it was completed by APC. The segment between Abuja and Kaduna officially opened in July 2016. The segment between Lagos and Ibadan was flagged off in June 2021.
Facts don't lie, there was no single rail working in Nigeria apart from the aforementioned, before the APC. It was only promises, excuses, paucity of funds and budgets for decades. GEJ even told us that we cannot afford new trains, chai. Why did PDP not make Warri to Itakpe work from 1999 to 2015, mr commonsense?
Lolz. Let me not mention the over $15billion stolen from boko haram fight by PDP. Not crude oil oh.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/nigeria-says-15-billion-stolen-in-security-spending-scams
Not to forget when GEJ was indicted that massive poverty and unemployment was killing Nigerians in the midst of plenty.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/138525-world-bank-indicts-jonathans-government-says-massive-poverty-unemployment-killing-nigerians.html

Or Okonjo warning us to brace up for tougher times ahead.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/171145-brace-tougher-times-ahead-okonjo-iweala-tells-nigerians.html

We remember eith sadness how about twenty four states were struggling to pay salaries during Jonathan administeration. We cannot forget how CBN sold over $26billion of our external reserves in 2013. Your coming here to gaslight the gullible is indeed shameful and pathetic. Anyway, your continued loss is eminent. The majority now know better and more are knowing. If you like, keep twisting facts, it's your daily bread you are fighting for, but it will not succeed. Plus, you will all face divine judgement for your wickedness to this country.

No be una. Na lie be una middle name? You say Lagos to Kano was working but there's no other rail working. If you add Lagos-Ibadan and Warri-Itakpe, it's it up to half of Lagos to Kano?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/207628-abuja-kaduna-rail-project-partially-executed-jonathan-amaechi.html

https://www.thecable.ng/we-built-abuja-kaduna-rail-to-99-completion-says-pdp/

These are links showing that Abuja-Kaduna was virtually completed and Amaechi himself acknowledging that PDP had almost completed it. Why shamelessly add it to the list of achievements of your bosses? Again, mention any rail that's not built by loans to prove Jonathan wrong. I never heard of building something with loans and claiming you can afford it. Has any of the loans been fully liquidated till now? Warri-Itakpe was not built for passengers. What is the utility like since it was built? Is Itakpe a major city in Nigeria? Not even Lokoja!!

Osinbajo like Oshiomole was lying. He was challenged to provide evidence and that was the end of it.

How has the country fared since GEJ and NOI? Is poverty and insecurity not killing more Nigerians now than ever? How come the arrival of APC signalled economic downturn for Nigeria? You think the years of prosperity and international goodwill came out of the blue for PDP? The worked on it. They got oil production up and courted international bodies and developed countries which worked. APC with lies, propaganda and ineptitude have been failing at doing that.
Your votes dropped from 15m to less than 9m and you say the majority know better. You won 2023 with 38% votes even with rigging and you say majority think you're better. What happened to the remaining 62%?

tctrills:
Oga what are you saying? Yes we have road projects and hospitals, these are sustainable but are you making the claim that these are enough. You seem to be saying that your gov has built enough roads electricity plants educational institutions and hospitals that they can now waste the remaining 0.04% of the budget.
I am of the opposing view that even if 100% of the budget was spent on sustainable projects, it still wouldn't be enough so why waste even a Kobo on unsustainable projects.
You also say that you are thankful that government is not just my opinion and I agree with you but clearly the collective opinion in Aso rock is doing a very bad job. That is why Nigeria is one of the poorest and deadliest places on health. Maybe, just maybe the opinion of tctrills isn't that bad compared to the vampires you voted into power.
Lastly, you say you have not heard that the poor in Nigeria are dying and I wonder where you get your news from.
The life expectancy of the average Nigerian is 52.68 year. This is even less than that of Gaza.
Oga, Nigerians are dropping like flies. And poverty is the number 1 cause of the low life expectancy.

Great progress, at least you agree that there are ongoing sustainable projects. Great also that you asked and did not assume that i am claiming that they are enough. So it's basically a matter of different life perspectives and philosophies. You think since money is not enough, it's a waste to help the poor at all as there are more pressing needs, i don't think so. Thankfully many people don't think so too. Not just Aso Rock but including all the state governors and senators, including yours that vote in, and share some form of palliatives. Like i said earlier on, money can never be enough for the poor anywhere in the world.
It's still frontpage news today on this forum that they announced to share more palliatives. https://www.nairaland.com/8321698/hardship-70-million-nigerians-get
All your governors, senators, house of reps, local government chairmen and councillors subscribe to and will struggle to get their share. Keep hiding your head in the sand claiming holier than thou apparently because e no reach you.
Now lastly, show me the last time that life expectancy of the average Nigerian was good, thanks.

Ojuntana:
PDP mismanaged Nigeria no doubt. But APC is far worse. In fact, where PDP scored 2 in terms of mismanagement, APC will score 8. The aforementioned all assumed alarming proportions under APC. PDP on the average sustained oil production at 2m barrels. APC even reached 900kbarrels at one point. All due to the criminals and political looters in the rank and file of APC

Lol, at least we are making progress on the bold. Your issue seems to be that your black is blacker than mine. Why would it not be? Did Okonjo and other experts not predict it to be so? You left the nation to rot and are now complaining that the rot is more than when you were there. Make sense please. Why did you not provide basic amenities, health, transport and education ythat should have been our backbone, that the current admin is just doing? You met population at 119million and let it balloon to 184million. Who should take care of that with what resources? Have you compared population growth with any sensible government at that timeframe? Have you bothered to check minimum wage, number of employed, amount of monies made from crude export and how you plundered those resources? Did you think at all that those employed by government have since multiplied, minimum wage increased tremendously and revenue from crude oil reduced?
Whose brothers were playing politics and making sure Nigeria could not sustain oil production, or you were too young to remember how 'Avengers' were constantly carrying out terror attacks on oil production that Osinbajo had to virtually put in his neck to save the day? And you have the temerity to blame it on political looters in APC. You are such a shameless liar.

See lies everywhere. Are you even aware that oil price under APC has been far better than oil price under PDP? Oil price in 1999 up to 2003 was less than $20. The analysis had been done so many times. Stop feeding yourselves lies. Just imagine the lie that you just told now. So how much have APC made from crude sale and how much can they account for? Has debt not hit alarming heights under APC? At least PDP paid the debts they met before accumulating theirs. Has APC paid any debts since they took office? No be to add debts to debts? And quit the lies.

You conveniently forgot to specify the lies. Is it our biggest oil boom and 16years of goodwill and opportunities, earning over $454 billion in oil revenue. Was it $30billion both in reserves and negatives in debt or total public debt of approximately $63 billion. Was it the link receipts here on NL and on the newspapers or $14.7billion NLNG paid to Okonjo's FG just in 2014? What silly awareness are you bringing up trying to divide the PDP years? Was 2007 to 2015 by the US Republicans? You are asking if any debt has been paid since APC took office, you must be working with the father of lies. All the debts owed workers for months, Buhari was bailing out several times, or it's not important? All the debts of railway and road construction that the FG part was consistently at fault and Buhari came up and paid, it doesn't count? All the debts in securing military weapons nko? $7billion forex backlog that Tinubu paid or ECOWAS levy backlog after 19 years does not count abi? Your itching ears gladly believe the links and newspapers of debts but vehemently refuse these ones as audio abi? Hypocrite. Not mentioning pension debts, athletes' debts etc that you don't count as consequential.

The above is CEIC records. That's how oshiomole came back from US and lied that he was told by the US that a minister stole $6bn only for the US to burst his lies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33689115

https://newswirengr.com/2015/08/22/us-govt-frowns-at-governor-oshiomhole-for-lying-over-comments-alleging-6bn-stolen-by-jonathans-minister/

Your link confirms billions of dollars theft in the PDP era, so what exactly is your argument? Or did i mention Oshiomole at any time?
"It was reliably gathered that the United States government truly indicated that several billions of dollars were stolen under the administration of Dr. Jonathan but nobody’s name was mentioned to the Nigeria’s delegation as repeatedly said by the Edo state governor."
Didn't we just get over $50million from Deziani this month via the same US, just last week or so?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg8djpn845o

Seems you were hibernating when Gov. Obaseki raised the alarm that CBN was printing to pay allocations to states. That ended up as a debt of N27trn. Yet you are here saying you never heard of APC borrowing to pay salaries.
What about the money borrowed by Tinubu from World Bank? What is it being used for? What is the cause of delays in FG workers' salaries in November and December last year? Even the minimum wage turned out to be a fraud!! So how much has your APC that is not mismanaging declaring as NLNG dividends or has dividends payment stopped when they took over?

You are not an illiterate or blind. You said that Tinubu is borrowing to pay salaries, kindly point this out with proof.
Report say some of the projects under Tinubu include loans for power ($750 million), women empowerment ($500 million), girl’s education ($700 million), renewable energy ($750 million), economic stabilization reforms ($1.5 billion) and resource mobilization reforms ($750 million),
due to long years of infrastructure decay and increased unemployment. None of it reports for paying salary.
On late salaries, Punch's report as at 25th December said the salaries had all been paid. How thayt is comparable to borrowing to pay salaries or owing months of salaries which was a norm in PDP era is baffling. The PUNCH reported that the fault came from the office of the Accountant General of the Federation while other sources others noted that the delay was as a result of migration to a new payment platform. It was issues having to do with shortfall because of the new minimum wage. Minimum wage more than doubled if you remember, so a few days delay inside the same month is not what you should be nagging about, especially as a PDP supporter.

No be una. Na lie be una middle name? You say Lagos to Kano was working but there's no other rail working. If you add Lagos-Ibadan and Warri-Itakpe, it's it up to half of Lagos to Kano?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/207628-abuja-kaduna-rail-project-partially-executed-jonathan-amaechi.html

https://www.thecable.ng/we-built-abuja-kaduna-rail-to-99-completion-says-pdp/

These are links showing that Abuja-Kaduna was virtually completed and Amaechi himself acknowledging that PDP had almost completed it. Why shamelessly add it to the list of achievements of your bosses? Again, mention any rail that's not built by loans to prove Jonathan wrong. I never heard of building something with loans and claiming you can afford it. Has any of the loans been fully liquidated till now? Warri-Itakpe was not built for passengers. What is the utility like since it was built? Is Itakpe a major city in Nigeria? Not even Lokoja!!

Osinbajo like Oshiomole was lying. He was challenged to provide evidence and that was the end of it.

How has the country fared since GEJ and NOI? Is poverty and insecurity not killing more Nigerians now than ever? How come the arrival of APC signalled economic downturn for Nigeria? You think the years of prosperity and international goodwill came out of the blue for PDP? The worked on it. They got oil production up and courted international bodies and developed countries which worked. APC with lies, propaganda and ineptitude have been failing at doing that.
Your votes dropped from 15m to less than 9m and you say the majority know better. You won 2023 with 38% votes even with rigging and you say majority think you're better. What happened to the remaining 62%?

Stop this show of illiteracy. The Lagos–Kano Standard Gauge Railway is a 1,343 kilometres rail plan. i explained to you earlier since you seem not to know this common fact that it is divided into segments. The Cape gauge Western Line built by the British in 1896–1927 is what was left functioning until APC took over. This is a fact undeniable. Standard guage has only been promise and pictures since OBJ era and their excuse was lack of funds. Until during APC, two segments of the Lagos to Kano railway have been completed and begun passenger trains. The segment between Abuja and Kaduna officially opened in July 2016. The segment between Lagos and Ibadan was flagged off in June 2021. The plan for decades has been to complete the rest like Ibadan-Osogbo-Ilorin (200 km), Osogbo–Ado Ekiti, Ilorin-Minna (270 km), Minna–Abuja, Kaduna-Kano (305 km) and Future connection to Warri. There's also the Lagos to Calabar plan that many find laughable because of decades of promise. The APC has boldly attempted this and making visible progress. The people that gave excuses of no funds, we can't afford new trains are bleating about APC chopping money. You borrowed to buy us useless locomotive trains that you painted, Buhari gave us modern trains. Same thing happened with 2nd Niger Bridge, and our electricity where billions of dollars went down the drain with no result. Every single time APC achieves breakthrough, you liars will come up with how PDP started it and other silly stories. It was same with refineries, and Warri to Itakpe since 1987. You called it a worthless venture, but Buhari finished it in 2020. It was the same way OBJ and Atiku castigated our government refineries, today two are working. But to you, they are audio. The same way you lots destroyed Ajaokuta. Comedians. Warri to Itakpe was planned to supply the Ajaokuta Steel Mill with iron ore and coal. Construction is underway on an extension to Abuja, where it will connect to the Lagos–Kano Standard Gauge Railway. You lack vision as usual so it does not surprise.
And you went on to drift into election figures dropping? Wow wow. Should we start to talk about the shams that you conducted and called elections. Do you think that BVAS and other technologies that the APC brought in help sanitise our electoral system are a joke? Or you are too young to remember how PDP used to write crazy do or die figures? Let me not even start.
APC removed fuel subsidy that PDP attempted and failed, APC showed us our true fuel consumption which PDP ballooned for corrupt subsidy reasons, APC deregulated the oil sector, brought LG autonomy, Student loan that PDP could never think of, now Electricity reform and tax reform bill. It's called leadership. Stay there and be defending decades of squander. Nigeria is moving forward. PDp, NEVER AGAIN.

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Great progress, at least you agree that there are ongoing sustainable projects. Great also that you asked and did not assume that i am claiming that they are enough. So it's basically a matter of different life perspectives and philosophies. You think since money is not enough, it's a waste to help the poor at all as there are more pressing needs, i don't think so. Thankfully many people don't think so too. Not just Aso Rock but including all the state governors and senators, including yours that vote in, and share some form of palliatives. Like i said earlier on, money can never be enough for the poor anywhere in the world.
It's still frontpage news today on this forum that they announced to share more palliatives. https://www.nairaland.com/8321698/hardship-70-million-nigerians-get
All your governors, senators, house of reps, local government chairmen and councillors subscribe to and will struggle to get their share. Keep hiding your head in the sand claiming holier than thou apparently because e no reach you.
Now lastly, show me the last time that life expectancy of the average Nigerian was good, thanks.

Oga you get me wrong. I never said you shouldn't help the poor. Remember, building roads and hospitals help the poor. Investing in oil and gas helps the poor.
But it becomes a waste when you can't help in a sustainable way and when your giving of aid is not uniform or just. The aid of the current government can't change the lived of the poor. You know it and I know it.
Now you speak of Aso rock, the state governors and the senators but you forget that these are the very people that improvised us. We would be wise not to accept their opinions.
Finally, you say I am claiming holier just because 8 am against a government that is destroying our country. Well I don't have a reply to that. You have only showed whose side you are.

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Lol, at least we are making progress on the bold. Your issue seems to be that your black is blacker than mine. Why would it not be? Did Okonjo and other experts not predict it to be so? You left the nation to rot and are now complaining that the rot is more than when you were there. Make sense please. Why did you not provide basic amenities, health, transport and education ythat should have been our backbone, that the current admin is just doing? You met population at 119million and let it balloon to 184million. Who should take care of that with what resources? Have you compared population growth with any sensible government at that timeframe? Have you bothered to check minimum wage, number of employed, amount of monies made from crude export and how you plundered those resources? Did you think at all that those employed by government have since multiplied, minimum wage increased tremendously and revenue from crude oil reduced?
Whose brothers were playing politics and making sure Nigeria could not sustain oil production, or you were too young to remember how 'Avengers' were constantly carrying out terror attacks on oil production that Osinbajo had to virtually put in his neck to save the day? And you have the temerity to blame it on political looters in APC. You are such a shameless liar.




You conveniently forgot to specify the lies. Is it our biggest oil boom and 16years of goodwill and opportunities, earning over $454 billion in oil revenue. Was it $30billion both in reserves and negatives in debt or total public debt of approximately $63 billion. Was it the link receipts here on NL and on the newspapers or $14.7billion NLNG paid to Okonjo's FG just in 2014? What silly awareness are you bringing up trying to divide the PDP years? Was 2007 to 2015 by the US Republicans? You are asking if any debt has been paid since APC took office, you must be working with the father of lies. All the debts owed workers for months, Buhari was bailing out several times, or it's not important? All the debts of railway and road construction that the FG part was consistently at fault and Buhari came up and paid, it doesn't count? All the debts in securing military weapons nko? $7billion forex backlog that Tinubu paid or ECOWAS levy backlog after 19 years does not count abi? Your itching ears gladly believe the links and newspapers of debts but vehemently refuse these ones as audio abi? Hypocrite. Not mentioning pension debts, athletes' debts etc that you don't count as consequential.




Your link confirms billions of dollars theft in the PDP era, so what exactly is your argument? Or did i mention Oshiomole at any time?
"It was reliably gathered that the United States government truly indicated that several billions of dollars were stolen under the administration of Dr. Jonathan but nobody’s name was mentioned to the Nigeria’s delegation as repeatedly said by the Edo state governor."
Didn't we just get over $50million from Deziani this month via the same US, just last week or so?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg8djpn845o



You are not an illiterate or blind. You said that Tinubu is borrowing to pay salaries, kindly point this out with proof.
Report say some of the projects under Tinubu include loans for power ($750 million), women empowerment ($500 million), girl’s education ($700 million), renewable energy ($750 million), economic stabilization reforms ($1.5 billion) and resource mobilization reforms ($750 million),
due to long years of infrastructure decay and increased unemployment. None of it reports for paying salary.
On late salaries, Punch's report as at 25th December said the salaries had all been paid. How thayt is comparable to borrowing to pay salaries or owing months of salaries which was a norm in PDP era is baffling. The PUNCH reported that the fault came from the office of the Accountant General of the Federation while other sources others noted that the delay was as a result of migration to a new payment platform. It was issues having to do with shortfall because of the new minimum wage. Minimum wage more than doubled if you remember, so a few days delay inside the same month is not what you should be nagging about, especially as a PDP supporter.


Stop this show of illiteracy. The Lagos–Kano Standard Gauge Railway is a 1,343 kilometres rail plan. i explained to you earlier since you seem not to know this common fact that it is divided into segments. The Cape gauge Western Line built by the British in 1896–1927 is what was left functioning until APC took over. This is a fact undeniable. Standard guage has only been promise and pictures since OBJ era and their excuse was lack of funds. Until during APC, two segments of the Lagos to Kano railway have been completed and begun passenger trains. The segment between Abuja and Kaduna officially opened in July 2016. The segment between Lagos and Ibadan was flagged off in June 2021. The plan for decades has been to complete the rest like Ibadan-Osogbo-Ilorin (200 km), Osogbo–Ado Ekiti, Ilorin-Minna (270 km), Minna–Abuja, Kaduna-Kano (305 km) and Future connection to Warri. There's also the Lagos to Calabar plan that many find laughable because of decades of promise. The APC has boldly attempted this and making visible progress. The people that gave excuses of no funds, we can't afford new trains are bleating about APC chopping money. You borrowed to buy us useless locomotive trains that you painted, Buhari gave us modern trains. Same thing happened with 2nd Niger Bridge, and our electricity where billions of dollars went down the drain with no result. Every single time APC achieves breakthrough, you liars will come up with how PDP started it and other silly stories. It was same with refineries, and Warri to Itakpe since 1987. You called it a worthless venture, but Buhari finished it in 2020. It was the same way OBJ and Atiku castigated our government refineries, today two are working. But to you, they are audio. The same way you lots destroyed Ajaokuta. Comedians. Warri to Itakpe was planned to supply the Ajaokuta Steel Mill with iron ore and coal. Construction is underway on an extension to Abuja, where it will connect to the Lagos–Kano Standard Gauge Railway. You lack vision as usual so it does not surprise.
And you went on to drift into election figures dropping? Wow wow. Should we start to talk about the shams that you conducted and called elections. Do you think that BVAS and other technologies that the APC brought in help sanitise our electoral system are a joke? Or you are too young to remember how PDP used to write crazy do or die figures? Let me not even start.
APC removed fuel subsidy that PDP attempted and failed, APC showed us our true fuel consumption which PDP ballooned for corrupt subsidy reasons, APC deregulated the oil sector, brought LG autonomy, Student loan that PDP could never think of, now Electricity reform and tax reform bill. It's called leadership. Stay there and be defending decades of squander. Nigeria is moving forward. PDp, NEVER AGAIN.

I don't want to waste too much time on you and your lies. I will simply itemize and debunk them cause it is obvious you keep going round in circles.

1. That Okonjo Iweala said we are heading for tough times. 10 years down the line you are still on that rhetoric? If you do a job for 10 years and things keep getting worse, does that not tell you that you are a failure yourself? It is like your primary 5 teacher telling you that common entrance is tough then you keep failing the exam for 10 years and you insist your teacher said so.
2. That PDP did not provide amenities in health, education, transport and they allowed population to grow? Really? You mean APC did not meet any schools, healthcentres or transport when they took office? That's the most harebrained thing I ever heard. Have you ever heard of primary health centres NPHCDA, NHIS etc? The rails from Lagos to Kano that was resuscitated nko? What about the Abuja-Kaduna rail? You think they existed before PDP? And let's even assume that you are correct which you are not, How far has APC fared in providing those things? How do you suggest PDP should have curbed the population? Why is APC not implementing it or has the population stopped growing since APC took office?
3. APC has paid less minimum wage in terms of value. It is common knwoledge. 18k in 2011 was over $100. Today's 70k is less than $50. If you will blame PDP for restiveness in the Niger Delta, should I also blame APC for boko haram, banditry and other terrorist activities in the north? Niger Delta militancy happened under PDP and it was handled with the amnesty program. It is no one's headache that a bigot like Buhari thought he could shoot everyone dead in the Niger Delta. Besides, is militancy still the reason you can't increase oil production till now?
4. When did GEj earn$ 454bn in oil revenue? is that the lie they tell you in your Whatsapp group? For your info, on the average, APC has had average oil price of $73 while PDP's average oil price from 1999 to 2015 is $63 which means APC is $10 better than PDP. E shock you abi?

https://www.google.com/searchq=average+oil+price+from+2023+to+2024&sca_esv=7a6fc6461c1557d8&sxsrf=ADLYWIILFmF0j1NdVjGwxLAVGz6qQyxYxQ%3A1737475629056&ei=LcaPZCRA6ywhbIPnNK8gQw&ved=0ahUKEwig3LONmYeLAxUsWEEAHRwpL8AQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=average+oil+price+from+2023+to+2024&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiI2F2ZXJhZ2Ugb2lsIHByaWNlIGZyb20gMjAyMyB0byAyMDI0MgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSIxCUPYDWPlBcAF4AJABAZgB3QSgAfovqgEKMi0xOC4zLjAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCC6ACgxfCAgsQABiABBiwAxiiBMICBBAjGCfCAgYQABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBZgDAIgGAZAGAZIHCTEuMC44LjEuMaAHkFw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

https://www.thecable.ng/fact-check-no-oil-price-wasnt-100-per-barrel-between-1999-and-2019-as-buhari-claimed/

The goodwill you keep complaining of was earned by tapping high networth Nigerians from diaspora with international contacts unlike APC that keeps appointing people with questionable pasts into office. Look at your party chair. Look at the minister for budgets! How much is the public debt now? Over $90bn You guys have worsened it. Another lie is your claim that Okonjo got paid $14bn as NLNG dividends. Here is a link for NLNG dividends. Show me when it was $14bn. Or you think NLNG is owned by only FG/NNPC? Meanwhile your god Tinubu wanted to use Nigeria's NLNG shares to collect loans in 2023. Can you imagine that?!!
https://dailytrust.com/nlng-pays-fg-lowest-dividend-in-10-years/
https://www.cnbcafrica.com/media/6340150374112/will-securitising-nlng-dividends-ease-nigerias-fx-woes/
So show me where $14bn w was ever paid as NLNG dividends. You guys lie too much. That's APC's main problem. Lies

5. Show the debts Buhari paid workers. Show the debts Buhari cleared for rails and roads. The only one Buhari paid that is known was for Nigeria Airways and that was delayed due to court litigations. You APC guys lie too much. Abuja-Kaduna rail is still not fully liquidated so which rail did he pay the debt? The $7bn backlog was a mess created by Buhari. Are you going to praise APc for clearing APC's mess? What if the new ones he's also accumulating? Or are you unaware of the $7bn Afreximbank loan? Stop telling lies. Nigeria does not owe any Ecowas backlog. Nigeria has always been the biggest financier of Ecowas since the 70s.

6. Has APC stopped the looting? Where is Betta Edu from? The AGF that stole over 80bn is from where? Buratai and his Dubai houses nko? The fact is APC lied. The $52m was from a ship siezed from Kola Aluko. What does that have to do with Diezani? That's how you clowns claimed she had a silver bra and even EFCC was forced to come out to debunk the lies. APC is a lying and looting machine.

7. Tinubu is borrowing to pay salaries. Look at all the nonsense you listed. So where are the women empowered with $500m? Where are the girls educated with $700m? Which economy was stabilized with $1.5bn and which resource was mobilized for $750m? These are monies to be looted and used to meet expenses if you know anything. The reports are the usual lies from APC. Na today?

8. Are you even aware that the Lagos-Kano rail plan was drawn up by the same PDP? To shock you. Lagos to Kano narrow guage was no longer working as at 1999. It was rehabilitated and brought up by the Jonathan admin. It is no longer functional as we speak all thanks to APC ineptitude. The Abuja-Kaduna segment was also started and almost completed by the same Jonathan regime so quit the lies about APC bringing up the rail masterplan. Agan, stop advertising your ignorance. All the trains bought by Buhari are still locomotives. It is obvious you have been deceived by APC whatsapp group to think locomotives are old trains. There is no train in Nigeria today that is not locomotive be it that of Lagos-Ibadan or Abuja-Kaduna. It is the rail gauge that more modern not the technology

9. Are you aware OBJ built 10 gas fired power plants and launched the Zungeru hydro projects? Your APC has not built one power station nor added 1KW of power to the grid. Check the list of power stations and their dates here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Nigeria
2nd Niger bridge was built with loans. So stop bragging over borrowing to build. It is not a genius move. Anyone can do it. All you have to do is sign some dotted sheets.

10. Ajaokuta has never worked. So how can you accuse PDP of killing what never worked. Another lie. Show where it worked and the steel produced. The refineries are audio because NNPC is still importing fuel as we speak. PDP gave us the best elections in 2015 which gave APC a route to power. Ever since, you guys have been cooking figures and switching off servers while you have even taken it up a notch to manipulating IREV figures in full glare of the public. APC is a rigging party. You now make PDP look like saints with your barefaced riggings in Kogi, Imo and lately Edo. All these elections had pre-written result sheets. Can you imagine that?

11. APC are hypocrites and enemies of the country. 2012 they fought against fuel subsidy removal. 2024 they are touting fuel subsidy removal as an achievement while throwing the rest of the country into unimaginable economic malaise. You all sabotaged the progress of this country with your dirty and vile politics of hate and bitterness. Nothing must work except it is being done by your gods. Look at where you have taken the country to

tctrills:
Oga you get me wrong. I never said you shouldn't help the poor. Remember, building roads and hospitals help the poor. Investing in oil and gas helps the poor.
But it becomes a waste when you can't help in a sustainable way and when your giving of aid is not uniform or just. The aid of the current government can't change the lived of the poor. You know it and I know it.
Now you speak of Aso rock, the state governors and the senators but you forget that these are the very people that improvised us. We would be wise not to accept their opinions.
Finally, you say I am claiming holier just because 8 am against a government that is destroying our country. Well I don't have a reply to that. You have only showed whose side you are.

Building roads and hospitals helps everyone, not just the poor. Helping the poor exclusively includes giving of palliatives. Giving money and foodstuff which are what palliatives usually entail is done by different sets of people and organisations and it's okay if the government does it, as the different regions, religions, parties and states also agree to. Charity or giving fish is never sustainable in the sense but it's not discarded in any part of the globe, neither is it uniform as needs will always differ. Again, i am on the side of giving as long as it doesn't kill and doesn't stop other important things. The FG is giving and i support it fully, irrespective of whoever is in power.

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Building roads and hospitals helps everyone, not just the poor. Helping the poor exclusively includes giving of palliatives. Giving money and foodstuff which are what palliatives usually entail is done by different sets of people and organisations and it's okay if the government does it, as the different regions, religions, parties and states also agree to. Charity or giving fish is never sustainable in the sense but it's not discarded in any part of the globe, neither is it uniform as needs will always differ. Again, i am on the side of giving as long as it doesn't kill and doesn't stop other important things. The FG is giving and i support it fully, irrespective of whoever is in power.

If you could help the poor as well as help everyone with the same money isn't that far more intelligent than given out a few meals to the poor?
Now how many people did your government pull out of poverty last year?
So in other parts of the world, there are welfare programs but that is a standard and it is just and fair. Let me ask you, how does one qualify for Tinubu"s palliative? How does the government decide who gets what? If the process is not transparent as we both know it isn't, then it is a waste. At least we both can agree on this. Again, if the process is not continuous and guaranteed, meaning, the poor continues to get food until they are out of poverty, then what is the purpose?

You also lied when you say aid is not uniform in other parts of the world. In Europe and the united states, you need to meet uniform qualifications to get welfare. That way, the system isn't easily corrupted. In Tinubu's Nigeria government has not for once published the qualifications for these aid. Even you can smell corruption here.

You are again very wrong in saying that giving away money doesn't kill and it doesn't stop other important things. You and I can both mention 1000 important things the government could have done with that money.
And in a very poor country like Nigeria, every wasted Kobo kills someone.
Have you been to any of our federal medical centers? They look like death houses. Thousands die every year because these hospitals are so messed up.
10 billion in an FMC would save many lives. So stop pretending that your government is so rich and had solved the major problems and all that is left is to give the poor a few meals.

tctrills:
If you could help the poor as well as help everyone with the same money isn't that far more intelligent than given out a few meals to the poor?
Now how many people did your government pull out of poverty last year?
So in other parts of the world, there are welfare programs but that is a standard and it is just and fair. Let me ask you, how does one qualify for Tinubu"s palliative? How does the government decide who gets what? If the process is not transparent as we both know it isn't, then it is a waste. At least we both can agree on this. Again, if the process is not continuous and guaranteed, meaning, the poor continues to get food until they are out of poverty, then what is the purpose?

You also lied when you say aid is not uniform in other parts of the world. In Europe and the united states, you need to meet uniform qualifications to get welfare. That way, the system isn't easily corrupted. In Tinubu's Nigeria government has not for once published the qualifications for these aid. Even you can smell corruption here.

You are again very wrong in saying that giving away money doesn't kill and it doesn't stop other important things. You and I can both mention 1000 important things the government could have done with that money.
And in a very poor country like Nigeria, every wasted Kobo kills someone.
Have you been to any of our federal medical centers? They look like death houses. Thousands die every year because these hospitals are so messed up.
10 billion in an FMC would save many lives. So stop pretending that your government is so rich and had solved the major problems and all that is left is to give the poor a few meals.

Charity has little to do with rational intelligence.There is NOTHING wrong with the government being a little bit philantrophic no matter how you paint it. There will always be needs, so again it doesn't kill to spare 0.04% of your budget for some needy citizens. It is not my fault if it does not make sense to you, thankfully it makes sense to the thousands of other Nigerians involved in approving and processing it. What qualifies as transparent for you? Or you think Tinubu is the one personally sharing palliatives for the FG? What are uniform qualificaions for getting aid? Please be informed that qualifications vary, stop this flagrant misinformation, or kindly provide proof.
2024 budget allocated ₦1.23 trillion to health. 2025, ₦2.48 trillion, which is 5.18% of the total budget. But of course, swallow the camel and strain at the gnat, mr lives saver.

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Charity has little to do with rational intelligence.There is NOTHING wrong with the government being a little bit philantrophic no matter how you paint it. There will always be needs, so again it doesn't kill to spare 0.04% of your budget for some needy citizens. It is not my fault if it does not make sense to you, thankfully it makes sense to the thousands of other Nigerians involved in approving and processing it. What qualifies as transparent for you? Or you think Tinubu is the one personally sharing palliatives for the FG? What are uniform qualificaions for getting aid? Please be informed that qualifications vary, stop this flagrant misinformation, or kindly provide proof.
2024 budget allocated ₦1.23 trillion to health. 2025, ₦2.48 trillion, which is 5.18% of the total budget. But of course, swallow the camel and strain at the gnat, mr lives saver.

As I proved earlier, it does kill especially in a country like Nigeria even if it's only 0.001% of you budget flushed down the drain in unaccounted Charity projects.
I have nothing against individual charities but tax payer money must be spent in the most accountable and sustainable way.
The debate here is not about what makes sense to me or what makes sense to your thousands of corrupt politicians and their followers, it's about pulling this country from the mud and saving us from leaders who use their shady charities to loot and their supporters who would go to any length to defend them online.
Oga, do you in your honest mind believe that N2. 48 trillion is enough for the health sector?
After that money is spent, would our health centers look less shity? The amount may seem big to you but is it big enough for the purpose it was meant for? If yes, then we can talk about your charity project and only if your process is transparent.

tctrills:
As I proved earlier, it does kill especially in a country like Nigeria even if it's only 0.001% of you budget flushed down the drain in unaccounted Charity projects.
I have nothing against individual charities but tax payer money must be spent in the most accountable and sustainable way.
The debate here is not about what makes sense to me or what makes sense to your thousands of corrupt politicians and their followers, it's about pulling this country from the mud and saving us from leaders who use their shady charities to loot and their supporters who would go to any length to defend them online.
Oga, do you in your honest mind believe that N2. 48 trillion is enough for the health sector?
After that money is spent, would our health centers look less shity? The amount may seem big to you but is it big enough for the purpose it was meant for? If yes, then we can talk about your charity project and only if your process is transparent.

You've not been able to prove how it kills except to keep whining that money is not enough for other important things. This is a well known fact for centuries, nothing new, money can never be enough. Given people money is not flushed down the drain. The government has been accountable enough with the monies, at least people know the amount and hundreds are involved in the process across states, parties, religions and tribes. It is nobodies' fault that you don't agree with it, your disagreement is not a definition of accountability. 2.48trillion budgetted for the health sector is monstrous compared to the gnat 9.74billion you are whining about, that was the point. It's the highest budget ever for health in Nigeria. You may contribute your savings or earnings to make it enough.

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You've not been able to prove how it kills except to keep whining that money is not enough for other important things. This is a well known fact for centuries, nothing new, money can never be enough. Given people money is not flushed down the drain. The government has been accountable enough with the monies, at least people know the amount and hundreds are involved in the process across states, parties, religions and tribes. It is nobodies' fault that you don't agree with it, your disagreement is not a definition of accountability. 2.48trillion budgetted for the health sector is monstrous compared to the gnat 9.74billion you are whining about, that was the point. It's the highest budget ever for health in Nigeria. You may contribute your savings or earnings to make it enough.

Oga this one week and you are still on this. If you don't believe that many are dying everyday because of the state of our hospitals or that many die because of the state of our roads then no one can help you. Let's leave it at that. Have I proved it to you now?

tctrills:
Oga this one week and you are still on this. If you don't believe that many are dying everyday because of the state of our hospitals or that many die because of the state of our roads then no one can help you. Let's leave it at that. Have I proved it to you now?

Your comprehension is appaling to say the least, believe what you want, people will continue to get palliatives. No be today.

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Your comprehension is appaling to say the least, believe what you want, people will continue to get palliatives. No be today.

Before writing, learn to ask yourself what you plan to accomplish with your writeup.

tctrills:
Before writing, learn to ask yourself what you plan to accomplish with your writeup.

Like you asked yourself and ridiculously think of convincing us that government should not give to the poor but others can. Find something profitable to accomplish, i am here to discuss different issues at my free time.

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Like you asked yourself and ridiculously think of convincing us that government should not give to the poor but others can. Find something profitable to accomplish, i am here to discuss different issues at my free time.

Keep defending corruption. You can run off now. I guess you have made your point. It was nice talking with you.

tctrills:
Keep defending corruption. You can run off now. I guess you have made your point. It was nice talking with you.

i am here and still here, don't come running into my mentions to teach nonsense about not giving because there's not enough. That way, you should be fine.

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i am here and still here, don't come running into my mentions to teach nonsense about not giving because there's not enough. That way, you should be fine.

Hmm, I am fine, let's not carry last week's discussion into next week,