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TenQ:
First admit that you don't have an answer in Islam for the question.
My Question was strictly about ISLAM:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?

After this, ask me nicely for explanation from us Christians and I will gladly oblige you. For now, the question is about ISLAMIC understanding of WHY Jesus is the ONLY person alive with Allah without passing through death. In case you don't understand, in the bible, such is not unique to Jesus alone
BUT
This fact that someone went to Allah without passing through death in ISLAMIC doctrine is UNIQUE only to Jesus. WHY?

Again
My Question was strictly about ISLAM:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?

It is in accordance with Allah's wisdom, design, saving his prophet. Besides you claim Jesus is the only one with Allah and I mention Idris likened to Enoch in your Bible. Clear dispelling of Jesus being the only one as there's one even longer.

Tell me where Enoch is!

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It is in accordance with Allah's wisdom, design, saving his prophet. Besides you claim Jesus is the only one with Allah and I mention Idris likened to Enoch in your Bible. Clear dispelling of Jesus being the only one as there's one even longer.

Tell me where Enoch is!

In Christianity, there is nothing extraordinarily uniquely peculiar with a person not passing through death BECAUSE Jesus is NOT the only one (unlike in Islam) that would leave this world without death.

Three key examples
1. Enoch:
Gen 5:21-24:
"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

2. Elijah:
2 Kings 2:11:
"As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind." Elijah was taken up to heaven without experiencing death.


3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming:
1Ths 4:16-17:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1 Corinthians 15:51-52:
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all die, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."

So, you see that in Christianity, JESUS is NOT the only person who would leave the earth without passing through death. As Christians, we are both material and immaterial beings consisting as Body, Soul and Spirit and we can be transformed directly without having to pass through death.

So, this kind of transformation in Christianity is NOT unique to Jesus unlike in Islam.







My Question again:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus alone is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?
Or who else with evidence in the Qur'an or Hadith is an exception?

BUT,
If you think Idris is Enoch, provide evidence from Allah or Mohammed! All I need is supporting EVIDENCE from the Qur'an of Allah or the Hadiths of your prophet. Didn't Allah tell you things about Idris?

Clearly you need the Bible to even make any meaning or sense out of the Qur'an of Allah!
SMH!

TenQ:
In Christianity, there is nothing extraordinarily uniquely peculiar with a person not passing through death BECAUSE Jesus is NOT the only one (unlike in Islam) that would leave this world without death.

Three key examples
1. Enoch:
Gen 5:21-24:
"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

2. Elijah:
2 Kings 2:11:
"As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind." Elijah was taken up to heaven without experiencing death.


3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming:
1Ths 4:16-17:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1 Corinthians 15:51-52:
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all die, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."

So, you see that in Christianity, JESUS is NOT the only person who would leave the earth without passing through death. As Christians, we are both material and immaterial beings consisting as Body, Soul and Spirit and we can be transformed directly without having to pass through death.

So, this kind of transformation in Christianity is NOT unique to Jesus unlike in Islam.







My Question again:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus alone is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?
Or who else with evidence in the Qur'an or Hadith is an exception?

BUT,
If you think Idris is Enoch, provide evidence from Allah or Mohammed! All I need is supporting EVIDENCE from the Qur'an of Allah or the Hadiths of your prophet. Didn't Allah tell you things about Idris?

Clearly you need the Bible to even make any meaning or sense out of the Qur'an of Allah!
SMH!

It is true that with regards to Jesus the reference, ‘a Word from Allah’ is given, it is in accordance with Allah s ability to create which encompasses the entirety of beings. Did Allah not create everything else by his command, his word?

The phrase Word of Allah is interpreted as his order or wish when uttered as ‘Kun’ (Be).

Jesus’s Creation Depicts the Might of Allah:

The very act of creating Jesus without a human father demonstrates the ability of Allah to go beyond the boundaries which the natural world sets.


Allah has full commandeering power over the creation of the universe. To the same degree that Jesus was created, so too does the creative force that brought him into being maintain the universe.

And mention Idris in the Book. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. And We raised him to a high station.Quran 19:56-57.

What is the high station?

Ibn Kathir describes this as a physical ascension to paradise.

So you see that you are the one making a big deal of what you shouldn't. Even going as far a creating a non christian definition of trinity?

See the falling cards of your definition of trinity?

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It is true that with regards to Jesus the reference, ‘a Word from Allah’ is given, it is in accordance with Allah s ability to create which encompasses the entirety of beings. Did Allah not create everything else by his command, his word?

The phrase Word of Allah is interpreted as his order or wish when uttered as ‘Kun’ (Be).

Jesus’s Creation Depicts the Might of Allah:

The very act of creating Jesus without a human father demonstrates the ability of Allah to go beyond the boundaries which the natural world sets.


Allah has full commandeering power over the creation of the universe. To the same degree that Jesus was created, so too does the creative force that brought him into being maintain the universe.

And mention Idris in the Book. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. And We raised him to a high station.Quran 19:56-57.

What is the high station?

Ibn Kathir describes this as a physical ascension to paradise.

So you see that you are the one making a big deal of what you shouldn't. Even going as far a creating a non christian definition of trinity?

See the falling cards of your definition of trinity?

Mr alfa,

If you think Idris is Enoch, provide evidence from Allah or Mohammed! All I need is supporting EVIDENCE from the Qur'an of Allah or the Hadiths of your prophet. Didn't Allah tell you things about Idris?

Dude, seems you're leaking your black? @doffman

👍

Antlislaam:
madam take it easy with that stone worshipper

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It is true that with regards to Jesus the reference, ‘a Word from Allah’ is given, it is in accordance with Allah s ability to create which encompasses the entirety of beings. Did Allah not create everything else by his command, his word?

The phrase Word of Allah is interpreted as his order or wish when uttered as ‘Kun’ (Be).

No sir. The Qur'an did not say "The Word from Allah" and so, it doesn't refer to Allah's ability to create anything.
1. Correction please: It is not the word FROM Allah but HIS WORD (Allah's word) cast down to Mary.

كَلِمَتُهُ (Wa kalimatuhu) – "And His Word"
(Alqāhā ilā Maryama) – "Which He cast to Mary"
That is, Jesus Himself is The Word

2. Allah did not create everything by His word.
No, Allah Did NOT Allah not create ANYTHING by his command or his word?

With Jesus, Jibril or Allah BREATH of his spirit into Mary.
Qur'an 66:12
"And Mary, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into her from Our spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient."
Whose spirit was blown into Mary?
Note that this spirit is SINGULAR and not Plural!
Similarly,
Qur'an 21:91
"And [mention] the one who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds."

So, clearly, Jesus wasn't created by a command from Allah but by BREATHING his spirit into Mary. Is breathing the same as speaking?

3. Jibril came to GIVE Jesus to Mary
Quran 19:17-19
"So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and he appeared to her as a perfect man. She said, 'Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing Allah.' He said, 'I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you a pure boy.'"
Here Jibril and not Allah came down to give Mary a boy. Except you want to concede that Jibril is one of the creators of life in Islam.

4. This is Why your prophet called Jesus by the TITLE :
Kalimatullah : "The Word of Allah."
Quran 4:171
"The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a spirit from Him."

Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 24690
"Indeed, Jesus is the Word of Allah which He cast to Mary, and a Spirit from Him."

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Jesus’s Creation Depicts the Might of Allah:

The very act of creating Jesus without a human father demonstrates the ability of Allah to go beyond the boundaries which the natural world sets.


Allah has full commandeering power over the creation of the universe. To the same degree that Jesus was created, so too does the creative force that brought him into being maintain the universe.

1. Jesus having no father doesn't prove any Miracle because there was no EVIDENCE to anyone. In fact, Only Mary knows about this Miracle and God had to convince Joseph not to leave his wife.
2. Why do you think the Children of Israel did not exercise the law of Moses on Mary when she got pregnant outside wedlock and stone her to death?

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And mention Idris in the Book. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. And We raised him to a high station.Quran 19:56-57.

What is the high station?

Think now!
How can High station mean Paradise!?
High station simply means a place of importance or honour amongst the prophets or an exalted position.

Except you wish to concede that Allah is so poor in language that he cannot communicate clearly to his people without us fighting over what he means

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Ibn Kathir describes this as a physical ascension to paradise.

So you see that you are the one making a big deal of what you shouldn't. Even going as far a creating a non christian definition of trinity?

See the falling cards of your definition of trinity?

Allah couldn't explain a verse and Mohammed couldn't and then came Ibn Kathir almost 668 years after, armed with the elusive knowledge. Shouldn't you be ashamed?

How confused Islamic scholars are:
1. Quran 19:57 Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
And We raised him to a high station — he is alive in the fourth or sixth or seventh heaven or he is in Paradise into which he was admitted after he was made to experience death and brought back to life and he has not exited therefrom.

This one said Idris actually died but brought back to life


2. Tafseer Tafheem-ul-Quran Syed Abu-al-A'la Maududi Qur'an 19:57
and We had raised him to a high position.
The plain meaning is that God had favoured Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris ( Enoch ) to heavens. The Bible says: " ...
and he was not; for God took him ", but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: " Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire. "

This one gave the plain interpretation and correct but added the tradition of the Jews to it

3. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘AbbâsQuran 19: 57
( And We raised him to high station ) in Paradise.
This one just focused on Idris state in paradise, avoiding the argument of whether he died or not


4. Ala-Maududi Qur'an 19:57
and We exalted him to a lofty position.
The plain meaning is that God had favored Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris (Enoch) to heavens. The Bible says: And he was not; for God took him, but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire.


5. Here is what one of your islamic scholars said
...There is a difference of opinion as to who Prophet Idris (peace be upon him) was. Some commentators opine that he was a Prophet from among the Israelites, but the majority of them are inclined to the view that he was a Prophet before Noah (peace be upon him). There is no authentic tradition which may help determine his identity.
https://myislam.org/surah-maryam/ayat-56/

They don't even know who Idris was

6. Here is what another of your scholars said in Introduction to Tafheem Qur'an 19:51-57 : Towards Understanding the Quran
33. There is a difference of opinion as to who Prophet Idris (peace be upon him) was. Some commentators opine that he was a Prophet from among the Israelites, but the majority of them are inclined to the view that he was a Prophet before Noah (peace be upon him). There is no authentic tradition which may help determine his identity. ....
..(19:57) and We exalted him to a lofty position.34
34. The plain meaning is that God had favored Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris (Enoch) to heavens. The Bible says: And he was not; for God took him, but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire.
https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php

So, you see the confused mess you found yourself in!?
Without the Bible, you can't even explain your Qur'an even though Allah claimed to have given you DETAILS

Quran 12:111
"It is not a fabricated statement, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things."

IslamVIRGINS:
Mr alfa,

If you think Idris is Enoch, provide evidence from Allah or Mohammed! All I need is supporting EVIDENCE from the Qur'an of Allah or the Hadiths of your prophet. Didn't Allah tell you things about Idris?

The Quran is not self sufficient.

It mentions characters vaguely.
Relying heavily on the bible for most of its characters' background. 🤕🤕🤕

😅At the end of the day, they start shouting corruption.

Ask him what language Jesus spoke?
Tell him to bring it out from the Quran🤕.

What does this resemble 🤣?
plagiarism of the highest order.

"Haman in Egypt" 🤭🤭🤭

TenQ:
No sir. The Qur'an did not say "The Word from Allah" and so, it doesn't refer to Allah's ability to create anything.
1. Correction please: It is not the word FROM Allah but HIS WORD (Allah's word) cast down to Mary.

كَلِمَتُهُ (Wa kalimatuhu) – "And His Word"
(Alqāhā ilā Maryama) – "Which He cast to Mary"
That is, Jesus Himself is The Word

2. Allah did not create everything by His word.
No, Allah Did NOT Allah not create ANYTHING by his command or his word?

With Jesus, Jibril or Allah BREATH of his spirit into Mary.
Qur'an 66:12
"And Mary, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into her from Our spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient."
Whose spirit was blown into Mary?
Note that this spirit is SINGULAR and not Plural!
Similarly,
Qur'an 21:91
"And [mention] the one who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds."

So, clearly, Jesus wasn't created by a command from Allah but by BREATHING his spirit into Mary. Is breathing the same as speaking?

Why are you contradicting yourself or trying to be confused.

Did you not give reference to: Behold! The angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of aWord from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].'

Can you tell please what or who the word from Allah is in this verse?

The concept of Allah's command his word,shows his absolute authority and power over all things. These are his creation .
In Surah Yasin Allah says when ever he intends to do a thing he only says to it be and it is. Quran 36:82. This shows all Allah wills is realised by his word. His intention is achieved by his word.

Does your Bible not tell you similar? As an example God says let there be light are there was/is.

Quran 2:117 also states and shows that when Allah intends to create anything he only says to it be and it is. Isn't this a showing of how all Allah creates is by his word?

But I just showed you with evidence that Allah did not create anything by a command. He either made clay or breathe into someone's vulva.

Is Quran 38:75 an error?

Quran 38:75
"[Allah] said, 'O Iblis, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My two hands? Were you arrogant, or were you among the exalted?'"

Did Allah say he created Adam with his speech? Allah clearly stated that he used his TWO hands: didn't he?

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Why are you contradicting yourself or trying to be confused.

Did you not give reference to: Behold! The angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of aWord from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].'

Can you tell please what or who the word from Allah is in this verse?

Sorry
1. "Good tidings" of what please?
What is the subject?

2. What would be the name of the subject in referred to 1?
What is the name of this "Word" from Allah?

Sorry, it is too late to rewrite the Qur'an nor the Hadiths. Just speak the truth to the question. You are at least intelligent with English comprehension.



Let me help you
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ (inna Allāha yubashshiruki):
Indeed, Allah gives you glad tidings
بِكَلِمَةٍۢ مِّنْهُ (bikalimatin minhu):
Of a Word from Him

Qur'an 3:45
"Behold! The angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah].'"

TenQ:
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a command from Allah but by BREATHING his spirit into Mary. Is breathing the same as speaking?

3. Jibril came to GIVE Jesus to Mary
Quran 19:17-19
"So she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our spirit, and he appeared to her as a perfect man. She said, 'Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing Allah.' He said, 'I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you a pure boy.'"
Here Jibril and not Allah came down to give Mary a boy. Except you want t[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]o concede that Jibril is one of the creators of life in Islam.

4. This is Why your prophet called Jesus by the TITLE :
Kalimatullah : "The Word of Allah."
Quran 4:171
"The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a spirit from Him."

Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 24690
"Indeed, Jesus is the Word of Allah which He cast to Mary, and a Spirit from Him."


1. Jesus having no father doesn't prove any Miracle because there was no EVIDENCE to anyone. In fact, Only Mary knows about this Miracle and God had to convince Joseph not to leave his wife.
2. Why do you think the Children of Israel did not exercise the law of Moses on Mary when she got pregnant outside wedlock and stone her to death?




Think now!
How can High station mean Paradise!?
High station simply means a place of importance or honour amongst the prophets or an exalted position.

Except you wish to concede that Allah is so poor in language that he cannot communicate clearly to his people without us fighting over what he means




Allah couldn't explain a verse and Mohammed couldn't and then came Ibn Kathir almost 668 years after, armed with the elusive knowledge. Shouldn't you be ashamed?

How confused Islamic scholars are:
1. Quran 19:57 Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
And We raised him to a high station — he is alive in the fourth or sixth or seventh heaven or he is in Paradise into which he was admitted after he was made to experience death and brought back to life and he has not exited therefrom.

This one said Idris actually died but brought back to life


2. Tafseer Tafheem-ul-Quran Syed Abu-al-A'la Maududi Qur'an 19:57
and We had raised him to a high position.
The plain meaning is that God had favoured Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris ( Enoch ) to heavens. The Bible says: " ...
and he was not; for God took him ", but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: " Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire. "

This one gave the plain interpretation and correct but added the tradition of the Jews to it

3. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘AbbâsQuran 19: 57
( And We raised him to high station ) in Paradise.
This one just focused on Idris state in paradise, avoiding the argument of whether he died or not


4. Ala-Maududi Qur'an 19:57
and We exalted him to a lofty position.
The plain meaning is that God had favored Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris (Enoch) to heavens. The Bible says: And he was not; for God took him, but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire.


5. Here is what one of your islamic scholars said
...There is a difference of opinion as to who Prophet Idris (peace be upon him) was. Some commentators opine that he was a Prophet from among the Israelites, but the majority of them are inclined to the view that he was a Prophet before Noah (peace be upon him). There is no authentic tradition which may help determine his identity.
https://myislam.org/surah-maryam/ayat-56/

They don't even know who Idris was

6. Here is what another of your scholars said in Introduction to Tafheem Qur'an 19:51-57 : Towards Understanding the Quran
33. There is a difference of opinion as to who Prophet Idris (peace be upon him) was. Some commentators opine that he was a Prophet from among the Israelites, but the majority of them are inclined to the view that he was a Prophet before Noah (peace be upon him). There is no authentic tradition which may help determine his identity. ....
..(19:57) and We exalted him to a lofty position.34
34. The plain meaning is that God had favored Idris with a high rank, but according to the Israelite traditions, God took up Idris (Enoch) to heavens. The Bible says: And he was not; for God took him, but the Talmud has a long story to tell, which ends with the words: Enoch ascended to heaven in a whirlwind, with chariot and horses of fire.
https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php

So, you see the confused mess you found yourself in!?
Without the Bible, you can't even explain your Qur'an even though Allah claimed to have given you DETAILS

Quran 12:111
"It is not a fabricated statement, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things."

You quote Quran 4:171 and fail to understand it's significance
Saying Jesus is a word is highlighting that he as other things Allah created is by his command, word to be and he is.

Being a spirit from God isn t unusual unless you can show that other brings apart from God create spirits.

Likening Idris to Enoch is no big deal as he can ad well be likened to Elijah. Most definitely these were righteous beings raised to high status.

What status is above paradise?

You are yet to tell me where Enoch is and I have been looking out for this response.

TenQ:
But I just showed you with evidence that Allah did not create anything by a command. He either made clay or breathe into someone's vulva.

Is Quran 38:75 an error?

Quran 38:75
"[Allah] said, 'O Iblis, what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My two hands? Were you arrogant, or were you among the exalted?'"

Did Allah say he created Adam with his speech? Allah clearly stated that he used his TWO hands: didn't he?

Again in your hurry you fail to understand. Creating with hands is quite an additional honour in addition to the command to be.
Isn't it clearly stated that Jesus is like Adam created by the word/command Kun to be?

Quran 3:59.

Isn't there comparitively specific honor to Adam being created by Allah's hands though unlike mankind's.

Who else did Allah create with his hands.

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You quote Quran 4:171 and fail to understand it's significance
Saying Jesus is a word is highlighting that he as other things Allah created is by his command, word to be and he is.

Is the Word of Allah not is Attribute? So, did Allah create his word just as Allah created his power and as he created his knowledge?

"A WORD" from Allah is the the identity of Jesus Messiah.

The name of this WORD is Jesus, the Messiah, son of Mary!

This is what Allah says. But I guess you are smarter to attempt reinterpretation of clear verses.

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Being a spirit from God isn t unusual unless you can show that other brings apart from God create spirits.

Just tell me according to Islam of your prophet the name of another human being who is a SPIRIT from Allah?
Or is Jesus the same as RUH AL-QUDUS because he is the only other spirit I know in Islam?

Your prophet doesn't even know what a spirit is
1. Is the spirit a being?
2. Is the spirit an attribute?
You are truely in ignorance about the spirit.

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Likening Idris to Enoch is no big deal as he can ad well be likened to Elijah. Most definitely these were righteous beings raised to high status.

What status is above paradise?

There is no problem if your Idris is pious as that is not the bone of contention. His status in paradise isn't no concern as he is in the fourth heaven and there are many islamic prophets who have died but are in higher levels.

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You are yet to tell me where Enoch is and I have been looking out for this response.

I even quoted a verse for you. You didn't read it?
check Gen 5:21-24 and Hebrew 11:5 check!

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Again in your hurry you fail to understand. Creating with hands is quite an additional honour in addition to the command to be.
Isn't it clearly stated that Jesus is like Adam created by the word/command Kun to be?

Quran 3:59.

Isn't there comparitively specific honor to Adam being created by Allah's hands though unlike mankind's.

Who else did Allah create with his hands.

No problem, it's an honour to Adam. You just confirmed by yourself that Adam was not created by any command.

Again:
Adam was NOT created by a command of Allah

I don't know who else according to Islam Allah create with his two hands. You tell me who else Allah created by his hands. I am not a Muslim.



How did Allah create Eve in the Qur'an: please educate me? Was it also by command?

But neither Adam nor Jesus was created by the command "BE"!
According to Allah,
1. Adam was created by Allah molding Adam with mud!
2. Jesus was created by Jibril blowing into Mary's vulva!

As you can see, Neither of Adam nor Jesus were created by any command

TenQ:
No problem, it's an honour to Adam. You just confirmed by yourself that Adam was not created by any command.

Again:
Adam was NOT created by a command of Allah

I don't know who else according to Islam Allah create with his two hands. You tell me who else Allah created by his hands. I am not a Muslim.



How did Allah create Eve in the Qur'an: please educate me? Was it also by command?

But neither Adam nor Jesus was created by the command "BE"!
According to Allah,
1. Adam was created by Allah molding Adam with mud!
2. Jesus was created by Jibril blowing into Mary's vulva!

As you can see, Neither of Adam nor Jesus were created by any command

As you surely cannot disappoint. You didn't review the verse mentioned.

Quran 3:59
Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!


Eve's creation, along with all human life, is a direct reflection of Allah's command and will. The creation of Eve serves to complement Adam, symbolizing harmony and divine order. The phrase "Kun Fayakoon" exemplifies Allah's limitless power to bring anything into existence that He desires, surpassing human comprehension of such processes.

What is Be? Remember the initial honour before the command to be.

O mankind! Fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. Quran 4:1

TenQ:
I even quoted a verse for you. You didn't read it?
check Gen 5:21-24 and Hebrew 11:5 check!

Enoch was no more meaning?

He was taken to where?

TenQ:
Is the Word of Allah not is Attribute? So, did Allah create his word just as Allah created his power and as he created his knowledge?

"A WORD" from Allah is the the identity of Jesus Messiah.

The name of this WORD is Jesus, the Messiah, son of Mary!

This is what Allah says. But I guess you are smarter to attempt reinterpretation of clear verses.

Allah's attributes are eternal and uncreated, while the Word of Allah, when referring to Isa (Jesus), is a creation of Allah. Jesus being referred to as the Word of Allah highlights his miraculous birth and the power of Allah's command in creating him without a father.


I ask again which spirit is created by other than God?

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As you surely cannot disappoint. You didn't review the verse mentioned.

Quran 3:59
Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!

Repeating the same falsehood one million times wouldn't convert the error into the truth.

Is it true that Jesus was created by Jibril blowing the RUH inside Mary's vulva? If your answer is TRUE, except Jibril's breathe is mud, then Quran 3:39 is false.
Is the breathe of Jibril mud?
1. Adam was created by Allah molding Adam with mud!
2. Jesus was created by Jibril blowing into Mary's vulva!

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Eve's creation, along with all human life, is a direct reflection of Allah's command and will. The creation of Eve serves to complement Adam, symbolizing harmony and divine order. The phrase "Kun Fayakoon" exemplifies Allah's limitless power to bring anything into existence that He desires, surpassing human comprehension of such processes.

What is Be? Remember the initial honour before the command to be.

O mankind! Fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. Quran 4:1

You still haven't explained exactly how Eve was created by Allah.
1. Did Allah mold clay or mud like in the creation of Adam?
2. Did Adam give birth to Eve biologically?
3. Did Allah use part of Adam to make clay?
4. Did Allah just say "BE" and Eve was?
Etc.

I just need a reference to HOW Eve was created.

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Enoch was no more meaning?

He was taken to where?

Gen 5:21-24:
"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Answering your question: According to the two scriptures above, Enoch did not taste death but he disappeared from the earth because God took him.

As I have said, Enoch doesn't help your case because Jesus is NOT the only one in Christianity that wouldn't die.
1. Enoch is one who didn't see death
2. Elijah is one Elijah is another who didn't taste death
3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming

The question had been:
My Question was strictly about ISLAMIC teachings:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?


Do you have any evidence from from either Allah or Mohammed that there is another person who did not die?

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Allah's attributes are eternal and uncreated, while the Word of Allah, when referring to Isa (Jesus), is a creation of Allah. Jesus being referred to as the Word of Allah highlights his miraculous birth and the power of Allah's command in creating him without a father.

Is the Word of Allah created?

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I ask again which spirit is created by other than God?

There is nowhere in Islam where the spirit was created.

Allah created Man with mud Qur'an 38:71-72
Allah created Jinn from fire Qur'an 55:15
Allah created Angels from light Sahih Muslim 2996
Tell me,
How did Allah create the spirit and with what material?




Let me enlighten you with the word of Allah

Qur'an 38:72
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 15:29
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 15:29
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 32:9
Then He proportioned him and breathed into him of His spirit, and He made for you hearing, and vision, and hearts; little are you grateful.

When Allah says رُّوحِي (ruhi): My spirit
Or
When Allah says رُوحَنَا (roohana): Our spirit
Is he not speaking of his attributes?



What if Allah had said:
My knowledge: would it mean Allah's knowledge is created?
My power: would it mean Allah's power is created?
My will: would it mean that Allah's will is created?
What then happens whenever Allah says My Spirit ?
It's just that your Muslim scholars must rewrite the Qur'an to suit their satanic agenda of misleading Muslims.


Of course, if Mohammed doesn't know what the spirit is, how can any Muslim in the world know what the spirit it?

Qur'an 17:85
And they ask you about the spirit. Say, "The spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you have not been given of knowledge except a little."




So again, I ask you the questions you dodged.

1. Are angels spirits?
2. Is the spirit a being OR Is the spirit an attribute?
3. Prove from the Qur'an that the spirit is created!

TenQ:
Gen 5:21-24:
"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

Heb 11:5:
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Answering your question: According to the two scriptures above, Enoch did not taste death but he disappeared from the earth because God took him.

As I have said, Enoch doesn't help your case because Jesus is NOT the only one in Christianity that wouldn't die.
1. Enoch is one who didn't see death
2. Elijah is one Elijah is another who didn't taste death
3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming

The question had been:
My Question was strictly about ISLAMIC teachings:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?


Do you have any evidence from from either Allah or Mohammed that there is another person who did not die?

Great attempt.

He was taken by God. Taken where or to where?

God translated him to what? Another language or entity?

If he was not to taste death then where is he or was he taken to alive.

Note that he pleased God so much in your text that he didn't taste death. Didn't Jesus please God enough not to taste death at all?
You will sing your usual illogic that he was to die for restoration of mankind please how?

Abraham's son too was soared death in sacrifice how then your almighty co-equal to God Jesus?

Is non dying anything special? Those that will be alive by Judgement day will die first before Judgement according to your Bible. Stop please. Kai!

TenQ:
Is the Word of Allah created?



There is nowhere in Islam where the spirit was created.

Allah created Man with mud Qur'an 38:71-72
Allah created Jinn from fire Qur'an 55:15
Allah created Angels from light Sahih Muslim 2996
Tell me,
How did Allah create the spirit and with what material?




Let me enlighten you with the word of Allah

Qur'an 38:72
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 15:29
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 15:29
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall to him prostrating.

Qur'an 32:9
Then He proportioned him and breathed into him of His spirit, and He made for you hearing, and vision, and hearts; little are you grateful.

When Allah says رُّوحِي (ruhi): My spirit
Or
When Allah says رُوحَنَا (roohana): Our spirit
Is he not speaking of his attributes?



What if Allah had said:
My knowledge: would it mean Allah's knowledge is created?
My power: would it mean Allah's power is created?
My will: would it mean that Allah's will is created?
What then happens whenever Allah says My Spirit ?
It's just that your Muslim scholars must rewrite the Qur'an to suit their satanic agenda of misleading Muslims.


Of course, if Mohammed doesn't know what the spirit is, how can any Muslim in the world know what the spirit it?

Qur'an 17:85
And they ask you about the spirit. Say, "The spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you have not been given of knowledge except a little."




So again, I ask you the questions you dodged.

1. Are angels spirits?
2. Is the spirit a being OR Is the spirit an attribute?
3. Prove from the Qur'an that the spirit is created!

Again you cannot understand.

There is the eternal word of God and the word of God created as spirit by God in his creation.

Will you say Sahih international's translation of the meaning of the Quran is wrong in Chapter 38 verse 72?

Sahih International
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.

Please explain by your non speaking arabic expertise why it is wrong compared to the one you shared!

Ibn-Kathir
71. (Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: “Truly, I am going to create man from clay.”

72. “So, when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.

Run and criticise this as how many hundred years after he makes explanation.

Ibn Kathir's Tafsir is an important contribution to Islamic scholarship, recognized for its careful methodology and trustworthiness. It focuses on interpreting the Qur'an using the Qur'an itself, drawing on authentic Hadith and insights from the companions of the Prophet. The perspectives of the Tabaeen further enrich the discussion, and Kathir's dedication to historical context helps prevent speculative interpretations. His orthodox approach is in straightforward language and ensures it is accessible to a broad audience.

I see you mention knowledge and power of God. Please say where man's knowledge and power is compared to God's.

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Great attempt.

He was taken by God. Taken where or to where?

God translated him to what? Another language or entity?

If he was not to taste death then where is he or was he taken to alive.

Note that he pleased God so much in your text that he didn't taste death. Didn't Jesus please God enough not to taste death at all?
You will sing your usual illogic that he was to die for restoration of mankind please how?

Abraham's son too was soared death in sacrifice how then your almighty co-equal to God Jesus?

Is non dying anything special? Those that will be alive by Judgement day will die first before Judgement according to your Bible. Stop please. Kai!

From the two scriptures where did you read?
In Christianity, it is NOT unique that Jesus alone left this world without dying. Jesus died; isn't it. Then resurrected; isn't it? Enoch and Elijah never even died.
As I have said, Enoch doesn't help your case because Jesus is NOT the only one in Christianity that wouldn't die.
1. Enoch is one who didn't see death
2. Elijah is one Elijah is another who didn't taste death
3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming

The question had been:
My Question was strictly about ISLAMIC teachings:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?


Can we take it that NO ANSWER exist in Islam for the question

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Again you cannot understand.
There is the eternal word of God and the word of God created as spirit by God in his creation.

Is the Qur'an an eternal word of God when it contains stories of Mohammed and Zainab that happened in the 6th century etc?

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Will you say Sahih international's translation of the meaning of the Quran is wrong in Chapter 38 verse 72?

Sahih International
So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.

Please explain by your non speaking arabic expertise why it is wrong compared to the one you shared!

Please show me from the Arabic the word My Created Soul
Why are you correcting the words of Allah?
Don't you think Allah knows the difference between soul and spirit?

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Ibn-Kathir
71. (Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: “Truly, I am going to create man from clay.”

72. “So, when I have fashioned him and breathed into him
(his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.

Run and criticise this as how many hundred years after he makes explanation.

Ibn Kathir's Tafsir is an important contribution to Islamic scholarship, recognized for its careful methodology and trustworthiness. It focuses on interpreting the Qur'an using the Qur'an itself, drawing on authentic Hadith and insights from the companions of the Prophet. The perspectives of the Tabaeen further enrich the discussion, and Kathir's dedication to historical context helps prevent speculative interpretations. His orthodox approach is in straightforward language and ensures it is accessible to a broad audience.

So, your revered scholar Ibn Kathir concurs that Allah did not create many from any command. I have attached Ibn kathir's interpretation and it didn't even have the RUH not to speak of NAFS (soul). Attached.

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I see you mention knowledge and power of God. Please say where man's knowledge and power is compared to God's.

Are the power and knowledge of Allah created is the question ! I am not comparing them with man's own




So again, I ask you the questions you dodged.

1. Are angels spirits?
2. Is the spirit a being OR Is the spirit an attribute?
3. Prove from the Qur'an that the spirit is created!

TenQ:
In Christianity, it is NOT unique that Jesus alone left this world without dying. Jesus died; isn't it. Then resurrected; isn't it? Enoch and Elijah never even died.
As I have said, Enoch doesn't help your case because Jesus is NOT the only one in Christianity that wouldn't die.
1. Enoch is one who didn't see death
2. Elijah is one Elijah is another who didn't taste death
3. All Believers in Christ at His second coming

The question had been:
My Question was strictly about ISLAMIC teachings:
4. Why is it according to your prophet that Jesus is still alive with Allah since 2000 years ago?


Can we take it that NO ANSWER exist in Islam for the question



Is the Qur'an an eternal word of God when it contains stories of Mohammed and Zainab that happened in the 6th century etc?



Please show me from the Arabic the word My Created Soul
Why are you correcting the words of Allah?
Don't you think Allah knows the difference between soul and spirit?



So, your revered scholar Ibn Kathir concurs that Allah did not create many from any command. I have attached Ibn kathir's interpretation and it didn't even have the RUH not to speak of NAFS (soul). Attached.


Are the power and knowledge of Allah created is the question ! I am not comparing them with man's own




So again, I ask you the questions you dodged.

1. Are angels spirits?
2. Is the spirit a being OR Is the spirit an attribute?
3. Prove from the Qur'an that the spirit is created!

Nice attempt again but it seems you skipped a lot of Quran studies. Oh I forget there wasn't any save the sensational clip misinterpretation of verses by you and your islamophobe apologetics.

Indeed Ibn Kathir relies on verses of the Quran to adequately interpret others. See attached.

Then you sure never cane across Surah Araaf verse 11.

The creation of Adam alaihis salam as depicted in Surah Al-A'raf and other verses of the Quran offers a deep insight into the connection between the physical and the spiritual realms. In Surah Al-A'raf 7:11, Allah describes a step-by-step process: first, the essence of Adam is formed, then his physical body is shaped, and finally, the divine command is given for the angels to bow down to him. This progression highlights the significance of both aspects in redefining humanity's place in the universe.

Additionally, Surah Al-Hijr (15:29) and Surah Sad (38:72) confirm that the spirit, or ruh was breathed into Adam after his physical form was completed. This act represents the remarkable nature of human beings, distinguishing them from all other creations.

What is the essence of mankind other than the soul/spirit?

Deliberately misinterpreting again for your skewed objective. When Allah was telling the angels was he necesarily seeking their opinion or permission? Was he stating in words what he was doing?

Why then is the verse stating Jesus being like Adam, emphasises on the command/word to be?

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As you surely cannot disappoint. You didn't review the verse mentioned.

Quran 3:59
Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, [b]then said to him, “Be!” [/b]And he was!

I mention Idris who was raised to a high station agreed upon as paradise.

You mention uniqueness repeatedly in questionable fashion. Do Muslims not consider all the things Allah does as his majestic signs?

Clear question is

1. Abraham was to sacrifice his child to God in worship but this was stopped why then will God accept this later of mankind by his 'acclaimed son" may all not be smitten by this?

2. If the "son of God" is as God why then need he be cursed to be cursed and crucified before being able to go to hell to salvage the condemned and be a means of others going to heaven? If he is all powerful as God why can't this just be done or commanded?

The way God exhibits his knowledge is far different from man.

His power to control the universe is beyond man's or is man able to make the sun rise from the west, north or south instead of the east? Has man gone to the sun and returned?

Mankind is nothing like God though he had granted us some abilities similar but different to his.

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Nice attempt again but it seems you skipped a lot of Quran studies. Oh I forget there wasn't any save the sensational clip misinterpretation of verses by you and your islamophobe apologetics.

Indeed Ibn Kathir relies on verses of the Quran to adequately interpret others. See attached.

Then you sure never cane across Surah Araaf verse 11.

The creation of Adam alaihis salam as depicted in Surah Al-A'raf and other verses of the Quran offers a deep insight into the connection between the physical and the spiritual realms. In Surah Al-A'raf 7:11, Allah describes a step-by-step process: first, the essence of Adam is formed, then his physical body is shaped, and finally, the divine command is given for the angels to bow down to him. This progression highlights the significance of both aspects in redefining humanity's place in the universe.

Additionally, Surah Al-Hijr (15:29) and Surah Sad (38:72) confirm that the spirit, or ruh was breathed into Adam after his physical form was completed. This act represents the remarkable nature of human beings, distinguishing them from all other creations.

What is the essence of mankind other than the soul/spirit?

Deliberately misinterpreting again for your skewed objective. When Allah was telling the angels was he necesarily seeking their opinion or permission? Was he stating in words what he was doing?

Why then is the verse stating Jesus being like Adam, emphasises on the command/word to be?

All you have successfully succeeded in doing is to assert that Allah did not create Adam by any command.
We can see Allah breathing
We can see Allah molding clay
We cannot see Allah saying "BE!"

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I mention Idris who was raised to a high station agreed upon as paradise.

You mention uniqueness repeatedly in questionable fashion. Do Muslims not consider all the things Allah does as his majestic signs?

All I ask is WHY?
Why according to Islam is Jesus the ONLY one who has not died and is with Allah according to your prophet?

The reason Islam does NOT have an answer is simply because Mohammed was copying from both the Jews and Christians things he never understood into both his Qur'an and his religion.

Eg. What is a Spirit?

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Clear question is
1. Abraham was to sacrifice his child to God in worship but this was stopped why then will God accept this later of mankind by his 'acclaimed son" may all not be smitten by this?

Because Isaac the son of Abraham to be sacrificed was also a sinner and thus is not qualified to be a RANSOM for Abraham AND it was a TEST of Love and devotion of Abraham to God.
Gen 22:1-2
Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, 'Abraham!' 'Here I am,' he replied.
"Then God said, 'Take your son, your only son, whom you love Isaac and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.'"

After his obedience , the Angel of the LORD said to Abraham.
Gen 22:12
Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.

Jesus however is the LAMB of God that takes away the sins of the World. He can be out RANSOM because He is SINLESS and this is the method God Has designed to RANSOM those who will trust Him.

John 1:29:
"The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world."

According to Prophet Isaiah, he said:
It pleased God to make the death of Jesus as an offering for our sins because this is the essence of the Messiah!

Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."
Jesus explained the purpose of the Messiah being crucified to His disciples
Luke 24:25-27
He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

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2. If the "son of God" is as God why then need he be cursed to be cursed and crucified before being able to go to hell to salvage the condemned and be a means of others going to heaven? If he is all powerful as God why can't this just be done or commanded?

Jesus become cursed because He carried the curse of sin of the world upon Himself. Here what prophet Isaiah said about Jesus.
Isaiah 53:5-6
"But he (the Messiah) was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and YHWH has laid on him the iniquity of us all."


Because SIN is a violation of God's integrity as God, the punishment for sin is eternal damnation. In case you don't understand, when God gives a Command, such command must NOT fail. Sin is making the Command (kunfayakun ) of God to fail.

Because God is the only One Powerful enough to be able to pay for the weight of the judgement of sin for EVERYONE at His will. Nothing and No one else in the universe can carry the judgment of sin for the whole universe.

John 3:16-18:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

For such grievous sin to be overlooked for anyone, he must serve his punishment. Unfortunately, no one can pay for the judgment of sin.

This is why God instituted the ordinance of SACRIFICE for Sin with Moses and the children of Israel. Only a Personality who has no sin must take the punishment of the person who have committed the sin.

Thus the SACRIFICIAL object becomes the Ransom for the one who has committed the sin because of his faith in God's Justice for sin MUST be punished by God.


Since Allah says you Muslims will enter the fire, how long do you think you will have to spend in Hell to completely pay for violation of God's INTEGRITY?

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The way God exhibits his knowledge is far different from man.

His power to control the universe is beyond man's or is man able to make the sun rise from the west, north or south instead of the east? Has man gone to the sun and returned?

Mankind is nothing like God though he had granted us some abilities similar but different to his.

Why is it that Christians and Jews will be your own ransom as Muslims from hellfire?

(Note: Jesus Himself is the Ransom of a Christian from the fire)

TenQ:
All you have successfully succeeded in doing is to assert that Allah did not create Adam by any command.
We can see Allah breathing
We can see Allah molding clay
We cannot see Allah saying "BE!"

Again you see what you want and go blind to other. Do you read this clearly or your eyes, hearth and brain are blind?

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As you surely cannot disappoint. You didn't review the verse mentioned.

Quran 3:59
Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!

TenQ:
Why is it that Christians and Jews will be your own ransom as Muslims from hellfire?

(Note: Jesus Himself is the Ransom of a Christian from the fire)

Laying foundation for another prolonged dispute of no value. Check tge hadith on jews and Christian ransom to understand that everyone will get fair judgement as Allah is the most just.

Superhero fairy tales. No superman is saving you. You are liable to your conduct!

TenQ:
All you have successfully succeeded in doing is to assert that Allah did not create Adam by any command.
We can see Allah breathing
We can see Allah molding clay
We cannot see Allah saying "BE!"

Again you see what you want and go blind to other. Do you read this clearly or your eyes, hearth and brain are blind?

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As you surely cannot disappoint. You didn't review the verse mentioned.

Quran 3:59
Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was!

TenQ:
All I ask is WHY?
Why according to Islam is Jesus the ONLY one who has not died and is with Allah according to your prophet?

Please show proof of this statement of yours.

TenQ:
Because Isaac the son of Abraham to be sacrificed was also a sinner and thus is not qualified to be a RANSOM for Abraham AND it was a TEST of Love and devotion of Abraham to God.

Do good to explain what the sins of Abraham's son were or withdraw your unfounded assertion.

TenQ:
Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."

Jesus become cursed because He carried the curse of sin of the world upon Himself. Here what prophet Isaiah said about Jesus.
Isaiah 53:5-6
"But he (the Messiah) was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and YHWH has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Isa 53:10 is interpreted differently by Jews to refer to a metaphor regarding Israel.

Contradicting laws Jesus in your book says he came to fulfil and uphold? No word of God will go unfulfilled.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23 in the Bible, which states:

If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God

So your God accursed himself going by you equating Jesus to God? Interesting contradictory dynsmics.

Interesting too that your god bruises his beloved and is too powerless to forgive man without blood sacrifice similar to traditional or pagan worship.

TenQ:
Why is it that Christians and Jews will be your own ransom as Muslims from hellfire?

(Note: Jesus Himself is the Ransom of a Christian from the fire)

Laying foundation for another prolonged dispute of no value. Check tge hadith on jews and Christian ransom to understand that everyone will get fair judgement as Allah is the most just.

Superhero fairy tales. No superman is saving you. You are liable to your conduct!

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Again you see what you want and go blind to other. Do you read this clearly or your eyes, hearth and brain are blind?

Is this because you want me to believe that Allah created Adam with a command while EVERY evidence in the Qur'an go to the contrary. The only way out for this is to conclude that it is FALSEHOOD that Allah created Adam using the Mud and it is also a FABRICATION that Allah claimed to have created Adam with his two Hands.

Is it false that Allah created Adam with mud?
Is it false that Allah created Adam with his hands?
Is it false that Allah breathe his spirit into Adam?

If these are false, then we can agree that Allah created Adam by a command of "BE" and Adam was!

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Please show proof of this statement of yours.

I am NOT a Muslim as the question is strictly for you Muslims.
Why according to Islam is Jesus the ONLY one who has not died and is with Allah according to your prophet?

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Do good to explain what the sins of Abraham's son were or withdraw your unfounded assertion.

Doesn't your prophet agree that every son of Adam is a sinner?
Mishkat al-Masabih 2341
Anas reported God’s messenger as saying, "All the sons of Adam are sinners, but the best of sinners are those who are given to repentance."


Do you disagree that Isaac (Abraham's Son) is a son or descendant of Adam?

Moreover, the command of sacrifice was specifically a TEST of the Love and devotion of Abraham to God.

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Isa 53:10 is interpreted differently by Jews to refer to a metaphor regarding Israel.

Exactly the same way interpreted that Jesus is NOT the Messiah. And they interpreted that Jesus was not born of a virgin. And they interpreted that Jesus was a sorcerer. Do you agree with them on these?

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Contradicting laws Jesus in your book says he came to fulfil and uphold? No word of God will go unfulfilled.
Deuteronomy 21:22-23 in the Bible, which states:

If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God

So your God accursed himself going by you equating Jesus to God? Interesting contradictory dynsmics.

Interesting too that your god bruises his beloved and is too powerless to forgive man without blood sacrifice similar to traditional or pagan worship.

Jesus is the fulfilment of the Laws and the Prophet. This is why Jesus said that He has come to COMPLETE or FULFIL the law Matthew 5:17
This was why Jesus said:
Luke 24:44
"This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms."

Was Allah wrong when he said of Jesus that
Qur'an 3:50
"And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me."


Secondly, God through the prophet Isaiah speaking of the Messiah said
Isaiah 53:12
"He poured out His life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Jesus was numbered with the transgressors even though He committed no wrong.

Isaiah 53:9
"He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth."

2 Corinthians 5:21:
"God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God."

So, Jesus took up our sin as the sacrificial LAMB of God

I know that one of the big differences between Allah and YHWH is that Allah enjoys people committing sin while YHWH must punish sin. It is understandable that sin is trivial with Allah but not trivial with YHWH.

(Sahih Muslim, Book 37, Hadith 6622)
"By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and replace you with people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would pardon them."

Compare with,

Proverbs 11:21
"Be sure of this: The sinner will not go unpunished, but those who are righteous will go free."

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Laying foundation for another prolonged dispute of no value. Check tge hadith on jews and Christian ransom to understand that everyone will get fair judgement as Allah is the most just.

Superhero fairy tales. No superman is saving you. You are liable to your conduct!

I stated with evidence from the Bible that Jesus would be our RANSOM from the fire of Hell all I wanted to know is WHY it makes sense for Christians and Jews to be your own ransom from the fire. Does it make sense to you?
Why is it that Christians and Jews will be your own ransom as Muslims from hellfire?

Christians agree that everyone is liable to his sins, but the problem is that it's consequence is impossible for anyone to bear. This is why the repentant person gets from God the Father the One who can carry the justice of God on our behalf as our RANSOM from the fire (for according to God, a sinner must be punished)

If your claim is that you are solely liable for your conduct, why did your prophet say:
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'

Why would Christians and Jews pay for the judgment of Fire on the Muslims?

You will note that as a Christian, we don't have any problems in EXPLAINING how or why we believe the Scriptures. But not so with you Muslims. Because Islam is a randomly copied religion devoid of reasons for most of your copied actions.

TenQ:
Is this because you want me to believe that Allah created Adam with a command while EVERY evidence in the Qur'an go to the contrary. The only way out for this is to conclude that it is FALSEHOOD that Allah created Adam using the Mud and it is also a FABRICATION that Allah claimed to have created Adam with his two Hands.

Is it false that Allah created Adam with mud?
Is it false that Allah created Adam with his hands?
Is it false that Allah breathe his spirit into Adam?

If these are false, then we can agree that Allah created Adam by a command of "BE" and Adam was!
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So I see you accept some verses of the Quran and reject others. Why? Just as the Pharisees and Sadducees have selective acceptance of scripture?

Is Verily, the likeness of ‘Isa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was.[Al ‘Imran 3:59 a part of the Quran or not?

See how it answers your silly questions?
Does it affirm the honor of Allah creating Adam with his own 'hands' from dust?

Does it Affirm breathing into Adam, Adam's soul/spirit?

Does it affirm the saying [b][size=14pt]Be[/size][

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/b] to Adam?

Do you not see the nonsense of your stance?

After shaping Adam, Allah commanded him to Be, and he became a living being. This illustrates that the process of molding Adam was part of Allah's creative act, but it was His powerful word, Kun (كن), that granted life and existence.

The command Be emphasizes that all creation relies entirely on Allah’s will, surpassing any physical processes or materials involved.

The significance of Be indicates that, despite the Molding Process, it is Allah's Divine Power through the command "Be" that brings forth life, existence, and animation. The molding from dust served as a precursor, but it was His word that granted life.

The physical form made from dust or clay highlights humility, while the command Be represents the honor Allah conferred upon Adam by breathing spirit into him: "And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." (Quran 15:29)

The creation of Adam exemplifies Allah's absolute control over all things. He selects the means (dust/clay) and the method (the command Be, showcasing His creative power to bring life from non-living materials.

TenQ:
I m NOT a Muslim as the question is strictly for you Muslims.

TenQ:
All I ask is WHY?
Why according to Islam is Jesus the ONLY one who has not died and is with Allah according to your prophet?

You now remember you are not a Muslim but in your delusions you know more about the Quran and Islam than Muslims?

You say only Jesus but cannot account for every single person that lives in your street talk less of the world and specifically all that have existed through thd many millennia to know who else is with Allah despite haven not died. You now have full documentation of all humanity since the inception of mankind?

Where did you get your statement about only Jesus from?

TenQ:
Doesn't your prophet agree that every son of Adam is a sinner?
Mishkat al-Masabih 2341
Anas reported God’s messenger as saying, "All the sons of Adam are sinners, but the best of sinners are those who are given to repentance."


Do you disagree that Isaac (Abraham's Son) is a son or descendant of Adam?

Another assignment for you. What is the validity in terms of authenticity of what you reproduced despite proudly sharing you are ignorant to provide reference as you are not muslim?

If all descendants of Adam are sinners please what are the sins of Abraham's son in relation to your faulty belief in human blood sacrifice for redemption or reconciliation with God?

You see how deeply pagan your belief is?

From sacrifice you change to test? Please I know you clown a lot but these turn around contradictory jokes make no sense.

TenQ:
Exactly the same way interpreted that Jesus is NOT the Messiah. And they interpreted that Jesus was not born of a virgin. And they interpreted that Jesus was a sorcerer. Do you agree with them on these?

Reconcile with them as they are the people from which your Jesus is from. I sense a Pharisees and Sadducees like difference in your opinion. What I feel is irrelevant as it is you and them to resolve.

TenQ:
I stated with evidence from the Bible that Jesus would be our RANSOM from the fire of Hell all I wanted to know is WHY it makes sense for Christians and Jews to be your own ransom from the fire. Does it make sense to you?
Why is it that Christians and Jews will be your own ransom as Muslims from hellfire?

Christians agree that everyone is liable to his sins, but the problem is that it's consequence is impossible for anyone to bear. This is why the repentant person gets from God the Father the One who can carry the justice of God on our behalf as our RANSOM from the fire (for according to God, a sinner must be punished)

If your claim is that you are solely liable for your conduct, why did your prophet say:
Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'

Why would Christians and Jews pay for the judgment of Fire on the Muslims?

You will note that as a Christian, we don't have any problems in EXPLAINING how or why we believe the Scriptures. But not so with you Muslims. Because Islam is a randomly copied religion devoid of reasons for most of your copied actions.

Are you certain you are not a terrorist?

This your ransom position and a lot of what we hear/see going around. Can a ransom be given to one who has it all?

Study Riyadh saliheen very well and if you don't understand better ask.


......No one will reap except what they sow. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of your differences.
Quran 6:164

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So I see you accept some verses of the Quran and reject others. Why? Just as the Pharisees and Sadducees have selective acceptance of scripture?

Is Verily, the likeness of ‘Isa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was.[Al ‘Imran 3:59 a part of the Quran or not?

See how it answers your silly questions?
Does it affirm the honor of Allah creating Adam with his own 'hands' from dust?

Does it Affirm breathing into Adam, Adam's soul/spirit?

Does it affirm the saying [b][size=14pt]Be[/size][

---

/b] to Adam?

Do you not see the nonsense of your stance?

After shaping Adam, Allah commanded him to Be, and he became a living being. This illustrates that the process of molding Adam was part of Allah's creative act, but it was His powerful word, Kun (كن), that granted life and existence.

The command Be emphasizes that all creation relies entirely on Allah’s will, surpassing any physical processes or materials involved.

The significance of Be indicates that, despite the Molding Process, it is Allah's Divine Power through the command "Be" that brings forth life, existence, and animation. The molding from dust served as a precursor, but it was His word that granted life.

The physical form made from dust or clay highlights humility, while the command Be represents the honor Allah conferred upon Adam by breathing spirit into him: "And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." (Quran 15:29)

The creation of Adam exemplifies Allah's absolute control over all things. He selects the means (dust/clay) and the method (the command Be, showcasing His creative power to bring life from non-living materials.

All this verse has shown is that there is a BIG contradiction in the Qur'an.
It is either Allah created Adam with a command or Allah created Adam with some Actions.

Again
Is it false that Allah created Adam with mud?
Is it false that Allah created Adam with his hands?
Is it false that Allah breathe his spirit into Adam?

If these are false, then we can agree that Allah created Adam by a command of "BE" and Adam was!