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I am writing about this topic not only because of my interaction with the Nairalander @MrPresident1, but because of my observations on Nairaland and the lived experiences of my contacts with people who profess to be Christians, especially the Pentecostal varieties.
I have attached a screenshot of our conversation, and you will notice how he immediately resorted to insults and abuses. This is someone who goes by the title of “born again,” has more than 200 topics on the Rapture, and is quick to quote Bible verses.

Now to the crux of the matter: does going to church, being born again, or religion in general lead to any change in life in a positive direction? Are the spiritual encounters we experience in our churches mere emotional manipulations with no tangible positive life changes?

This is not only related to this individual alone; I see lots of Bible-touting pastors resort to insults and curses when challenged or countered. I am proud to say I have never been to any church, read the Bible for more than two years now, and will never do so in the future.
Believe me when I tell you these people will speak in tongues in the morning and physically fight and curse you in the evening. I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people.
Are the change of life experiences or being born again a big scam?

Your question is unnecessary because of your use of the word, "Claim".

If you replace the word with "Become" or "Are", your question will become answerable.

immortalcrown:
Your question is unnecessary because of your use of the word, "Claim".

If you replace the word with "Become" or "Are", your question will become answerable.

It means you actually understand my question but are unwilling or unable to provide a measured response ? Let's not play around with semantics.

Nnamdipapa:
It means you actually understand my question but are unwilling or unable to provide a measured response ? Let's not play around with semantics.

It seems you don't understand the grammatical function of "Claim" as you used it in your post.

immortalcrown:
It seems you don't understand the grammatical function of "Claim" as you used it in your post.

Ok. I will desist from wasting time since you are not ready to engage the article.

Nnamdipapa:
Ok. I will desist from wasting time since you are not ready to engage the article.

You are missing the point.

You are not and cannot be something just by claiming to be that thing.

immortalcrown:
You are missing the point.

You are not and cannot be something just by claiming to be that thing.

There is always a claim behind every spiritual experience except you can see the minds of those people. The only way we evaluate is checking the fruits and actions after the claims.

Nnamdipapa:
There is always a claim behind every spiritual experience except you can see the minds of those people. The only way we evaluate is checking the fruits and actions after the claims.

You are now contradicting yourself. You are now supporting my point.

Repentance means CHANGE.

Repentance does not mean CLAIM.

immortalcrown:
You are now contradicting yourself. You are now supporting my point.

Repentance means CHANGE.

Repentance does not mean CLAIM.

At the point of repentance, all we have are the claims reason we hear a lot of testimonies of the claimed conversion. I have seen people change without being born again or attending churches.

I don't suffer fools gladly. You come at me like an idiot, I put you in your place.

Nnamdipapa:
I am writing about this topic not only because of my interaction with the Nairalander @MrPresident1, but because of my observations on Nairaland and the lived experiences of my contacts with people who profess to be Christians, especially the Pentecostal varieties.
I have attached a screenshot of our conversation, and you will notice how he immediately resorted to insults and abuses. This is someone who goes by the title of “born again,” has more than 200 topics on the Rapture, and is quick to quote Bible verses.

Now to the crux of the matter: does going to church, being born again, or religion in general lead to any change in life in a positive direction? Are the spiritual encounters we experience in our churches mere emotional manipulations with no tangible positive life changes?

This is not only related to this individual alone; I see lots of Bible-touting pastors resort to insults and curses when challenged or countered. I am proud to say I have never been to any church, read the Bible for more than two years now, and will never do so in the future.
Believe me when I tell you these people will speak in tongues in the morning and physically fight and curse you in the evening. I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people.
Are the change of life experiences or being born again a big scam?

You have over 200 threads to read to cure yourself of foolishness

Nnamdipapa:
I am writing about this topic not only because of my interaction with the Nairalander @MrPresident1, but because of my observations on Nairaland and the lived experiences of my contacts with people who profess to be Christians, especially the Pentecostal varieties.
I have attached a screenshot of our conversation, and you will notice how he immediately resorted to insults and abuses. This is someone who goes by the title of “born again,” has more than 200 topics on the Rapture, and is quick to quote Bible verses.

Now to the crux of the matter: does going to church, being born again, or religion in general lead to any change in life in a positive direction? Are the spiritual encounters we experience in our churches mere emotional manipulations with no tangible positive life changes?

This is not only related to this individual alone; I see lots of Bible-touting pastors resort to insults and curses when challenged or countered. I am proud to say I have never been to any church, read the Bible for more than two years now, and will never do so in the future.
Believe me when I tell you these people will speak in tongues in the morning and physically fight and curse you in the evening. I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people.
Are the change of life experiences or being born again a big scam?

MrPresident1:
You have over 200 threads to read to cure yourself of foolishness

You are who you are. Stop deceiving yourself and others.

MrPresident1:
I don't suffer fools gladly. You come at me like an idiot, I put you in your place.

I am sure you will also fight and throw punches in the guise of " not taking fools lightly"?

The fool is the person believing he will fly away in the sky in 2025 in the name of Rapture.

Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him. Your behind will get lacerated with koboko.

Read and cure yourself of madness. I command you to read. Read.

Nnamdipapa:
I am sure you will also fight and throw punches in the guise of " not taking fools lightly"?

The fool is the person believing he will fly away in the sky in 2025 in the name of Rapture.

MrPresident1:
Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him. Your behind will get lacerated with koboko.

Read and cure yourself of madness. I command you to read. Read.

Not your fault really.

Internet is anonymous so you can spout inanities with absolute impunity.

You will quake in your boots were you to stand face to face and look me in the eye.

The truth is that Christ through the church has brought a lot of good and great impact to the world.
Civilization and western education most parts of the world enjoyed today were brought by missionaries as good hospitals and other good things brought along.
To the question of if lives are truly changed after being born again. The answer is YES. The reason why is not appear to be so popular is because good news don’t sell as fast bad news. Evil news goes viral quickly but true born again lives that are really changed positively are
mostly not heard in the news or carry by the popular blogs.
My observation especially in this part of the world is that church is the one fueling hope of people mostly. Considering that the government or political leaders does not seem to be very concern and considerate about people’s well-being.

Nnamdipapa:
I am writing about this topic not only because of my interaction with the Nairalander @MrPresident1, but because of my observations on Nairaland and the lived experiences of my contacts with people who profess to be Christians, especially the Pentecostal varieties.
I have attached a screenshot of our conversation, and you will notice how he immediately resorted to insults and abuses. This is someone who goes by the title of “born again,” has more than 200 topics on the Rapture, and is quick to quote Bible verses.

Now to the crux of the matter: does going to church, being born again, or religion in general lead to any change in life in a positive direction? Are the spiritual encounters we experience in our churches mere emotional manipulations with no tangible positive life changes?

This is not only related to this individual alone; I see lots of Bible-touting pastors resort to insults and curses when challenged or countered. I am proud to say I have never been to any church, read the Bible for more than two years now, and will never do so in the future.
Believe me when I tell you these people will speak in tongues in the morning and physically fight and curse you in the evening. I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people.
Are the change of life experiences or being born again a big scam?