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Alhaji Trump and wahala, the 4 years is counting already.

ppogba:
That is what he will spend the whole of his second coming doing.

iwaeda:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/01/immigration-groups-sue-trump-over-order-to-end-us-birthright-citizenship/

LoneSoldier ☠️ sue soon.

Amumaigwe:
That is in Nigeria's situation with weak systems. It is different elsewhere things work.

I guess u re talking against yourself, it's only in Nigerian with weak system, that, president would be talking as emperor and in which, system would be doing his biddings.


Trump was there for four years, he couldn't do 20% of gragra he said then.

Short memory people always ,,"follow follow" with their shallow minded. Perhaps,you talk from angle of ignorance.

You will read it in few weeks to come,"his executive order on citizens birthright has been blocked.

Read below to educate and upgrade yourself from ignorance.

AuthorMan:
What about legal people on visitors visa or tourist visa who give birth in America.

na dem gangan d change affect, if it stands eventually

DMerciful:
Trump can't win this. There has to be constitutional amendment

This is what section 1 of 14th amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

interpretation of "jurisdiction" is the key battle here not constitutional amendment per say. In the context of citizenship, it means born in the US and subject to the authority of the US...so if both parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, can it be said that their offspring is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. And really in matters like this, if the supremem court is right-leaning, trump may have his way.

MT:
It’s a constitutional matter. Trump can’t get two third of the Congress approval.

Saying the Supreme Court judges are conservative leaning doesn’t mean they follow the republicans blindly. The constitution can’t just be changed with an executive order

he is not seeking to change d constitution, he is seeking to set up a show where the constitution will be interpreted appropriately(in favor of his executive order of course)

DaddyCoool:
Of course. He's just pandering to his base

Trump may likely win it irrespective what his motive may be , whether sincere or otherwise.
The law just needs the right interpretation and once it's agreed, that's all.
Plainly and simple, the law talks about American slaves that did not get freedom to now enjoy citizenship as a right given to them because many of them fought during that great war. Till today there's no such thing as equal rights even in America as long as you're a coloured fellow.

Over the years majority of those who have benefited from this law even Trump are not American slaves be it direct or indirect and there's a proof whatsoever.

obaidan:
This is what section 1 of 14th amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

interpretation of "jurisdiction" is the key battle here not constitutional amendment per say. In the context of citizenship, it means born in the US and subject to the authority of the US...so if both parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, can it be said that their offspring is subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

You did not factor the upload into your comment, which I think is the foundational basis for citizenship in the US. It is foremost for only American slaves and not immigrants as we know Trump is a beneficiary of such.

bixton:
You did not factor the upload into your comment, which I think is the foundational basis for citizenship in the US. It is foremost for only American slaves and not immigrants as we know Trump is a beneficiary of such.

sounds like what u are saying is that Trump's order may stand, that is what i am saying too.
I am saying that newly born kids of 2 parents that are not under the jurisdiction of the US may have to assume the exact privileges that is applicable to their parents.

Here we go again


A rolling stone gathers no moss. It's going to be four years of noise, debates, controversies and no movement.

MT:
You do not understand the process of amending the constitution. You think the President could just wake up and change the US constitution by executive order. The framers of the constitution are not silly when they stated that children born on the US soil are citizens.

-did Trump say he is amending the constitution, the man is standing on the same constitution u people are saying he wants to change. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/
- the framers of the constitution did not just say born on US soil, they also added " and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Can you argue that a newborn whose 2 biological parents(foreigners) are subject to the jurisprudence of another nation, can be suject to the jurisprudence of US

Wallade:
Really. Tell me more about American politics.

You mean Donald Trump has influence over the decision of the Judges in the judiciary?

The issue of concern bothers on the 14th Amendment of the United States of America's Constitution. You now expect the judges to take side with Trump and damn the position of the 14th Amendment.

You are joking right

I will repeat again, you are newbie in US politics.

aswani:
How do you know they are Islamic?

The last time I went to the US, I was quizzed and eventually let in to the chagrin of the immigration officer who had boasted that everybody she had been called to speak to that day had been deported and I am going to be her last "victim".

A Russian and a South American were sent back by other Officers while I was there and an Englishman was giving a final warning in front of me. He also would have gone back but for his "white privilege".

So illegal immigration and this stunt by Trump is nothing to do with Muslims from Islamic countries, stop being an idiot as you have labeled others.

He didn't say only Moslems were involved,, but singled out the fact that abolishing the law would prevent the country from unintentionally giving citizenships to terrorists who even had no intention of staying one minute in their country but destroying it.

miketayo:
Because he wants what is best for his country

Don't mind them. If only a quarter of our political office holders had a mind like Trump.

The posters abusing Trump in the previous comments are just talking out of their behinds.

You are an illegal immigrant. You give birth as an illegal immigrant in America. You then use that baby as an anchor to remain in the U.S., citing 'humanitarian' reasons. Which kind of nonsense format is that?

Fiscus105:
I guess u re talking against yourself, it's only in Nigerian with weak system, that, president would be talking as emperor and in which, system would be doing his biddings.


Trump was there for four years, he couldn't do 20% of gragra he said then.

Short memory people always ,,"follow follow" with their shallow minded. Perhaps,you talk from angle of ignorance.

You will read it in few weeks to come,"his executive order on citizens birthright has been blocked.

Read below to educate and upgrade yourself from ignorance.

He did more than 20% despite the fact that he was fought nonstop by the Democratic party.

ziemcorp:
He did more than 20% despite the fact that he was fought nonstop by the Democratic party.

Infact, his promise to build wall round America,he also achieved that.

CoronaVirusPro:
I will repeat again, you are newbie in US politics.

We shall see

Helpout12345:
When the 14th amendment was written and ratified, there was no problem of illegal immigrants, birth tourism and other issues around this amendment.

So the argument will be based on the problems existing then when the amendment was written and ratified.

I will advise you to go and read the US Supreme Court judgement in the case : United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898),

This has been settled and clarified,

Trump is fooling you guys, I will remind you when the case is tossed out in the court of law. Trump will just be fooling around by multiple appeals.

This has gone to court for years and they always lose. In as far as you're in US soil, you're subjected to the jurisdiction of the US because no foreign country can kill you in the US even if you're an illegal immigrant. Also, the law applies to you if you break the law

obaidan:
This is what section 1 of 14th amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

interpretation of "jurisdiction" is the key battle here not constitutional amendment per say. In the context of citizenship, it means born in the US and subject to the authority of the US...so if both parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, can it be said that their offspring is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. And really in matters like this, if the supremem court is right-leaning, trump may have his way.

DMerciful:
This has gone to court for years and they always lose. In as far as you're in US soil, you're subjected to the jurisdiction of the US because no foreign country can kill you in the US even if you're an illegal immigrant. Also, the law applies to you if you break the law

Let them be fooling around.

The case that will be tossed out easily.

For him to succeed, he needs to change the constitution and he doesn’t have the two thirds in both congressional chambers.

Fiscus105:
Small by small, he would just wake up by the end of 4 years and see that, 30% of gragra talking, he is struggling to achieve it.

If you really want to achieve an agenda, it would be better if you control ur mouth but fully open ur brain, if you do that, it would greatly reduce opposition towards the goal.

Haba brotherly. There you must do National debate to talk about your policies if elected. Na Nigeria make am optional that's why we end up first with who no respect the press.
And for democracy, freedom of the press is like the third pillar!
Being a president is not for a person's private interest sir.

bixton:
Trump may likely win it irrespective what his motive may be , whether sincere or otherwise.
The law just needs the right interpretation and once it's agreed, that's all.
Plainly and simple, the law talks about American slaves that did not get freedom to now enjoy citizenship as a right given to them because many of them fought during that great war. Till today there's no such thing as equal rights even in America as long as you're a coloured fellow.

Over the years majority of those who have benefited from this law even Trump are not American slaves be it direct or indirect and there's a proof whatsoever.

See the verbatim, exact wording of the law below.
Please tell us how ANYBODY can interprete it to mean that sometimes when you are born in US you are NOT a citizen.

powerkey:
Idiots who can't go to court in their home countries will have the temerity to sue a president. Deport all of them to their Islamic countries.

It's like you're high on something. Hope you're aware that citizenship by birth has been longed in the US Constitution since 1776, that's before Trump's great-grand father was born and you're talking off point

RichDaniels:
It's like you're high on something. Hope you're aware that citizenship by birth has been longed in the US Constitution since 1776, that's before Trump's great-grand father was born and you're talking off point

This is NOT true. It was passed on June 13, 1866 and ratified on July 9, 1868.
See the exact wording above

Trump is fully aware of how people come to the US to give birth just to gain citizenship.

givedemwotowoto:
Trump's executive orders so far are pro America. I think the birthright citizenship needs congressional law (which he can get) but maybe he wants to go the route of the Supreme court so that the conservative judges will side with him, citing national security concerns.

you are a very smart person - leave all these fools to be talking trash - They think this is Trump's first term when even members of his own party were fighting him - now they know that whoever disagrees with him in the Republican Party will be primaried by Trump and they will surely lose if that happens - so everyone will fall in line - this is very different from Trump's first term - he has an overwhelming mandate to do all he said he wants to do - there is no Russia conspiracy theory special consul to lie and waste everyone's time - Those who seek to destroy America with globalist ideas are in for a rude shock with the return of Trump - and he will be so successful as majority of Americans including my humble self are totally in support of the MAGA agenda - it is going to be an interesting 4 years of American Golden Age VIVA TRUMP, MAGA 4EVER!!!

powerkey:
Idiots who can't go to court in their home countries will have the temerity to sue a president. Deport all of them to their Islamic countries.

So? What does that have to do with anything? America must be held to the notion it espouses.

Bar1941:
Those children have no say in whatever their parents did to get to the State. They don’t deserve to suffer for a crime they never committed.

The executive order takes effect from February. It's basically for the unborn children to be giving birth the proper way. A pregnant woman flying from Africa just to give birth in America is sheer madness. I mean what kind of opportunity are you looking for? These people are crazy though.

There's a difference iwhen people find themselves in US and had no choice than to give birth there due to circumstances if they are pregnant than setting out for the sole aim of giving birth iin America and steal citizenship of a place that you remotely have no business in, something is definitely wrong with that. One would expect all American States to fall in-line with Trump's perspective and get this done without much legal trouble.

This is a hotly debated topic, with immigration advocates arguing that such a move would be unconstitutional and violate the 14th Amendment, while others believe it could address illegal immigration concerns. Would you like more detailed information on this or a summary of the arguments for and against this proposal?

IamAsiri:
He didn't say only Moslems were involved,, but singled out the fact that abolishing the law would prevent the country from unintentionally giving citizenships to terrorists who even had no intention of staying one minute in their country but destroying it.

I am certain you are responding to someone else's post so I would ask you to read the post I responded to again.

The madness of going to give birth in America needed to be hacked to death once and for all. Hopefully, there will be more lawful amendments to it. Trump is a hero for this. Stay and give birth in your country, stop fooling yourselves all over the world.

aswani:
I am certain you are responding to someone else's post so I would ask you to read the post I responded to again.

I get your point, though the truth is that it's the immigrants from Muslim countries that are usually the quickest to sue in this kind of situation.