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I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

Do juju forget grace

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

But you're still alive with a smart phone or computer to type this when many are crying in pain on their hospital bed.
Well you need to know the true Christians first, learn the purpose of life from them then you can start your prayer as you will know where to channel your petitions and what you must pray for!


Give us today our daily bread.‭Matthew 6:11


Jesus taught his disciples to pray for what they need DAILY not what the world has to offer! Matthew 6:19-21

Go and work bros. Grace is not what your order through prayer with money in view.

@Op you need to know that prayer is not magic... you need to watch/work and pray.

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

it is easy to know who truly belongs to God.

Go read the parable of the Sower Matthew 13: 1–9, 18–23
Parable:
Some seed fell on rocky ground where there was little soil. The seed soon sprouted, but when the sun came up it burnt the young plants.
Meaning:
The seed on the rocky ground represents people who respond with initial enthusiasm, but the word of God does not sink in deep. When persecution or hard times (represented by the sun) come along they give up at once.
Application to You:
Many People cannot commit to the total Christian lifestyle. They are initially attracted by the secondary but give up when the going gets tough. They don't know that as Christians, we are at WAR with the system of this world!!

ANYONE who truly had known Jesus will not leave Him for ANYTHING or ANY CAUSE!

EVALUATE THE REAL AND MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY YOU CLAIMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST PLACE

Even for Christians, there is no substitute for Grace, Hardwork and Perseverance. It is unfortunate you fell into the hands of "Pastors" who promised you ease of life AFTER you give you life to Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

TenQ:
it is easy to know who truly belongs to God.

Go read the parable of the Sower Matthew 13: 1–9, 18–23
Parable:
Some seed fell on rocky ground where there was little soil. The seed soon sprouted, but when the sun came up it burnt the young plants.
Meaning:
The seed on the rocky ground represents people who respond with initial enthusiasm, but the word of God does not sink in deep. When persecution or hard times (represented by the sun) come along they give up at once.
Application to You:
Many People cannot commit to the total Christian lifestyle. They are initially attracted by the secondary but give up when the going gets tough. They don't know that as Christians, we are at WAR with the system of this world!!

ANYONE who truly had known Jesus will not leave Him for ANYTHING or ANY CAUSE!

EVALUATE THE REAL AND MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY YOU CLAIMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST PLACE

Even for Christians, there is no substitute for Grace, Hardwork and Perseverance. It is unfortunate you fell into the hands of "Pastors" who promised you ease of life AFTER you give you life to Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

You're right sir and I agree with you. Sir, I'm a graduate and need a good job

nolzautoz:
You're right sir and I agree with you. Sir, I'm a graduate and need a good job

I appreciate your humility!

The thing you seek is not in EMPLOYMENT, it is in BUSINESS and REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE

1. Seek a few days to Seek the face of God for Wisdom and Direction about what you can do to make money for your self
2. God has already given you TALENTS from which you should make a LIVING Exodus 4:2 and 2 Kings 4:2
3. Your Talents are your natural Abilities whether In-born or Acquired through learning
4. Pick one of your Talents and look at avenues for turning them into Business
5. Whatever it is, it would still require Hard-work, Perseverance and Grace
6. Be realistic about what you will need to invest as you know your pocket and strength

In exactly 12 months, look back and tell me that you still dont have a testimony!
Shalom

TenQ:
I appreciate your humility!

The thing you seek is not in EMPLOYMENT, it is in BUSINESS and REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE

1. Seek a few days to Seek the face of God for Wisdom and Direction about what you can do to make money for your self
2. God has already given you TALENTS from which you should make a LIVING Exodus 4:2 and 2 Kings 4:2
3. Your Talents are your natural Abilities whether In-born or Acquired through learning
4. Pick one of your Talents and look at avenues for turning them into Business
5. Whatever it is, it would still require Hard-work, Perseverance and Grace
6. Be realistic about what you will need to invest as you know your pocket and strength

In exactly 12 months, look back and tell me that you still dont have a testimony!
Shalom

You're a blessing sir. I will follow your guide sir

nolzautoz:
You're a blessing sir. I will follow your guide sir

You are welcome and may the Almighty God open your way!




Note;
If you always see yourself in your dreams having sex or eating or lost in strange places, you may need to deal with this through deliverance. You can daily perform self deliverance on yourself IF you are truly Born Again. The unclean spirit are like Weed and Rodents that frustrate the works of your hand.




The Core Reason for being Born Again is to ESCAPE GOD's Judgement over Sinners and God does it by grafting you into His family by inputting in you His DNA (Holy Spirit)

Stay Blessed Bro!

TenQ:
You are welcome and may the Almighty God open your way!




Note;
If you always see yourself in your dreams having sex or eating or lost in strange places, you may need to deal with this through deliverance. You can daily perform self deliverance on yourself IF you are truly Born Again. The unclean spirit are like Weed and Rodents that frustrate the works of your hand.




The Core Reason for being Born Again is to ESCAPE GOD's Judgement over Sinners and God does it by grafting you into His family by inputting in you His DNA (Holy Spirit)

Stay Blessed Bro!

How can I become born again and how can I do self deliverance

MaxInDHouse:
But you're still alive with a smart phone or computer to type this when many are crying in pain on their hospital bed.
Well God need to know the true Christians first, learn the purpose of life from them then you can start your prayer as you will know where to channel your petitions and what you must pray for!


Give us today our daily bread.‭Matthew 6:11


Jesus taught his disciples to pray for what they need DAILY not what the world has to offer! Matthew 6:19-21

guy you sound like the friends of Job, sometimes when God no send you, be quiet. Saying nothing may have been better.

May someone not tell you this when you are going through pain.

nolzautoz:
How can I become born again and how can I do self deliverance

you cannot deliver yourself, no man can deliver you except Jesus.

For who the son of man sets free is free indeed, any other form of deliverance is repackaged bondaged.

It is because of Jesus that we become children of God and cry our Father deliver us from all evil.

You can only truly become born again by believing the true Jesus which is revealed by the true gospel, and genuinely turning to God. Listen you cannot born yourself, you can be born by the living word of God like Peter said having new life.

But this birth doesn't promises worldly pleasure and peace that is of this world o, so I won't market or advertise what is a lie and contrary to the truth.

Take this time and period and seek God, and study His word. So that you can know the truth.

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

I feel your pain, sometimes it seems God isn't answering our prayers but we believe He hears them and at times it seems God just does good to us even without asking Him.

I wish you could come over to my place at abule egba I somehow have extra food. I don't work if not I would send you something 😋.

When I saw your topic I read it as religion is Islam until I noticed it was is a scam you wrote, hope that made you smile small.

Well instead of giving up why not get angry with God, not that we have a right to br angry at Him, but shout, cry if you must, express yourself to Him, your sadness, pain anger and disappointment. God hears, and while you are doing it, shout at Him that you know that He is good, like the psalms, tell Him not to hide from you that you knoe He can see you. Tell Him this day and moment you already know, and it is recorded in heaven that I am begging you even if I am a dog you care for the birds of the air, give me scrubs from heaven, even those scrubs would feel my house. Tell me why I am suffering. Look keep at it, so God or anyone won't say you gave up.


It is written they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength they shall mount up on wings like an eagle.

If you wait privately on God, seek him, fast and pray, will reward you openly. If you want to stop going to church, stop but don't stop going to God, dont cut off those who actually care for you and maybe that can't help you.


I pray you geta job this year and use your finance to show true love to others. 🕊️

gohf:
I feel your pain, sometimes it seems God isn't answering our prayers but we believe He hears them and at times it seems God just does good to us even without asking Him.

I wish you could come over to my place at abule egba I somehow have extra food. I don't work if not I would send you something 😋.

When I saw your topic I read it as religion is Islam until I noticed it was is a scam you wrote, hope that made you smile small.

Well instead of giving up why not get angry with God, not that we have a right to br angry at Him, but shout, cry if you must, express yourself to Him, your sadness, pain anger and disappointment. God hears, and while you are doing it, shout at Him that you know that He is good, like the psalms, tell Him not to hide from you that you knoe He can see you. Tell Him this day and moment you already know, and it is recorded in heaven that I am begging you even if I am a dog you care for the birds of the air, give me scrubs from heaven, even those scrubs would feel my house. Tell me why I am suffering. Look keep at it, so God or anyone won't say you gave up.


It is written they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength they shall mount up on wings like an eagle.

If you wait privately on God, seek him, fast and pray, will reward you openly. If you want to stop going to church, stop but don't stop going to God, dont cut off those who actually care for you and maybe that can't help you.


I pray you geta job this year and use your finance to show true love to others. 🕊️

Your words are inspiring. Thanks so much

Visit your village

Ask your parents some salient questions


What did you choose or predestined while coming ro the world, you need to find out


Have you broken your covenant with your Chi / maker

Please that people block you..

Could be that


They don't have

Past experience

Forces turning there faces from you

Your attitude

BlackfireX:
Visit your village

Ask your parents some salient questions


What did you choose or predestined while coming ro the world, you need to find out


Have you broken your covenant with your Chi / maker

Do you mean that what individual humans are facing today is as a result of what they chose or predestined while coming to earth? If yes, why do people blame the government for problems that they are facing?

nolzautoz:
How can I become born again and how can I do self deliverance

I will first answer the part of Salvation (Being Born Again)
1. Only God has the power and right to Born Anew any person
2. We get Born Again by coming to Him for Salvation by Faith.
Faith is Trust in God's Integrity (Character and Words)

First some Explanation
Being Born Again is like Getting Admission into any Higher institution: You require FOUR steps
1. You must be Qualified
2. You must Apply for the Course
3. You must Vow to live according to the Rules of the Institution (Sign the matriculation Oath)
4. If the THREE above are okay, the VC will issue you your MATRIC number by which you are identified as a bonafide Student of the Institution.

With Respect to Salvation in Christ, it is exactly like You want to be Admitted into the University of Heaven
1. STEP ONE: You must be Qualified for Heaven:
Unfortunately, not one single adult human being is Qualified because All of us are sinners by nature. We are like Pigs whose nature justifies and Enjoys sinning.
Because no one is qualified, the father in Heaven sent Jesus to be the Sacrifice to be our Ransom from the judgement that would befall sinners: for the soul that sin against God must be eternally cut off from His presence to the Refuse Dump (Hell).

If you truly Believe in your Heart that Jesus was crucified, died, resurrected as the LAMB of God to take away your sins and its consequence, THEN you are made QUALIFIED. Your admission into the paradise of God is then based on the certificate of jesus and not on your own certificate.
Romans 10:9-10
"If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".
"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved".

2. STEP TWO: You Must Apply for your Ultimate Need:
People come to Jesus for many things like Healing, Blessings, Help, Protection or Deliverance. But what makes a person a child of God is "Having His name in the REGISTER OF GOD'S CHILDREN" or "Having the MATRIC NUMBER OF HEAVEN."

The good Thief on the Cross with Jesus got Born Again on the Cross.
His Application was: Lord, remember me when you come into Your kingdom!
Jesus reply was like "Because you have asked, Today you would be with me in paradise!"
Luke 11:13
13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Mathew 7:7-8
7Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened

In other words, the one who wants to be Born Again should make his Request like
Father, Please, Write my Name in the Book of Life (the Register of Heaven)
Father, I ask that You Give me the MATRIC Number of Heaven (the Holy Spirit)
Step 1 and 2: Is what the Church fathers will call Accepting Jesus as SAVIOUR

3. STEP THREE: You must Sign the Matriculation Oath (the Oath of Allegiance to the System governing the Children of God)
Eery matriculation auth is an auth to OBEY All the rules of the Institution. For the "University of Heaven", the auth is about
a. Following Holiness with God (a Life of Purity)
b. Commitment to Live a life of Love for God and your neighbour, a Life of service to God

In other words, the one who wants to be Born Again should make his Request like
Father, If you write my name in the Book of Life and make me one of your Children, I promise to live the REST of my Life Living according to your rules and command of Purity. I promise to walk worthy of your calling and henceforth will Live my life to Love my neighbours and Serve you with my spiritual gifts and talents.

Step 3: Is what the Church fathers will call Accepting Jesus as LORD

4. STEP FOUR: The Father Issues you the Matric Number of Heaven!
God the Father looks at your Qualification, your Application and your Commitment to live your life according to His rules to issue you the Matric number.
The matric number of Heaven is the Holy Spirit. God gives whoever comes sincerely to Him the SEAL of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in you is like the DNA of God Himself. This is what qualifies you to become a CHILD of God!
The Holy Spirit in you is the EVIDENCE of your Registration for Salvation. Whoever is given the Holy Spirit (not speaking in tongues o) is known by his fruit. Such begins to be careful of how he lives his life in this corrupt world. He is never comfortable with sinning and if or when he falls into sin, he quickly goes back to God in repentance.
Revelation 20:15
15And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Anyone who has been issued the MATRIC number of heaven by God Himself and has his name written in the Book of life is the one that is Born Again.





So, my friend, being Born Again is a transaction in FAITH and TRUTH between you and God the Father. Ask and you will be given but only ask because you are sincere about your request and decision.

You can take time to TALK to your Father in Heaven and ASK Him Directly (the Four steps will guide you). Prayer is only a tool in the process of your salvation as we are saved because we have FAITH in God for our Salvation.

How will you know that your are Born Again?
1. You trust in Gods integrity to keep his own part of the bargain
John 6:37
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.

2. The Holy Spirit will bear witness with your Spirit that you are now a child of God
You will feel a kind of peace and joy in yourself
You will feel clean and light
Occasionally, the person may manifest one or more of the gifts of the Holy Spirit
Ultimately, your life will change with respect to how you view sin

Even though these are common signs, we do not depend on feeling as evidence of our salvation. We depend on our Faith in the Integrity of God and His Word


If there be any further question, let me know on this.

TenQ:
I will first answer the part of Salvation (Being Born Again)
1. Only God has the power and right to Born Anew any person
2. We get Born Again by coming to Him for Salvation by Faith.
Faith is Trust in God's Integrity (Character and Words)

First some Explanation
Being Born Again is like Getting Admission into any Higher institution: You require FOUR steps
1. You must be Qualified
2. You must Apply for the Course
3. You must Vow to live according to the Rules of the Institution (Sign the matriculation Oath)
4. If the THREE above are okay, the VC will issue you your MATRIC number by which you are identified as a bonafide Student of the Institution.

With Respect to Salvation in Christ, it is exactly like You want to be Admitted into the University of Heaven
1. STEP ONE: You must be Qualified for Heaven:
Unfortunately, not one single adult human being is Qualified because All of us are sinners by nature. We are like Pigs whose nature justifies and Enjoys sinning.
Because no one is qualified, the father in Heaven sent Jesus to be the Sacrifice to be our Ransom from the judgement that would befall sinners: for the soul that sin against God must be eternally cut off from His presence to the Refuse Dump (Hell).

If you truly Believe in your Heart that Jesus was crucified, died, resurrected as the LAMB of God to take away your sins and its consequence, THEN you are made QUALIFIED. Your admission into the paradise of God is then based on the certificate of jesus and not on your own certificate.
Romans 10:9-10
"If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".
"For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved".

2. STEP TWO: You Must Apply for your Ultimate Need:
People come to Jesus for many things like Healing, Blessings, Help, Protection or Deliverance. But what makes a person a child of God is "Having His name in the REGISTER OF GOD'S CHILDREN" or "Having the MATRIC NUMBER OF HEAVEN."

The good Thief on the Cross with Jesus got Born Again on the Cross.
His Application was: Lord, remember me when you come into Your kingdom!
Jesus reply was like "Because you have asked, Today you would be with me in paradise!"
Luke 11:13
13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Mathew 7:7-8
7Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened

In other words, the one who wants to be Born Again should make his Request like
Father, Please, Write my Name in the Book of Life (the Register of Heaven)
Father, I ask that You Give me the MATRIC Number of Heaven (the Holy Spirit)
Step 1 and 2: Is what the Church fathers will call Accepting Jesus as SAVIOUR

3. STEP THREE: You must Sign the Matriculation Oath (the Oath of Allegiance to the System governing the Children of God)
Eery matriculation auth is an auth to OBEY All the rules of the Institution. For the "University of Heaven", the auth is about
a. Following Holiness with God (a Life of Purity)
b. Commitment to Live a life of Love for God and your neighbour, a Life of service to God

In other words, the one who wants to be Born Again should make his Request like
Father, If you write my name in the Book of Life and make me one of your Children, I promise to live the REST of my Life Living according to your rules and command of Purity. I promise to walk worthy of your calling and henceforth will Live my life to Love my neighbours and Serve you with my spiritual gifts and talents.

Step 3: Is what the Church fathers will call Accepting Jesus as LORD

4. STEP FOUR: The Father Issues you the Matric Number of Heaven!
God the Father looks at your Qualification, your Application and your Commitment to live your life according to His rules to issue you the Matric number.
The matric number of Heaven is the Holy Spirit. God gives whoever comes sincerely to Him the SEAL of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in you is like the DNA of God Himself. This is what qualifies you to become a CHILD of God!
The Holy Spirit in you is the EVIDENCE of your Registration for Salvation. Whoever is given the Holy Spirit (not speaking in tongues o) is known by his fruit. Such begins to be careful of how he lives his life in this corrupt world. He is never comfortable with sinning and if or when he falls into sin, he quickly goes back to God in repentance.
Revelation 20:15
15And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Anyone who has been issued the MATRIC number of heaven by God Himself and has his name written in the Book of life is the one that is Born Again.





So, my friend, being Born Again is a transaction in FAITH and TRUTH between you and God the Father. Ask and you will be given but only ask because you are sincere about your request and decision.

You can take time to TALK to your Father in Heaven and ASK Him Directly (the Four steps will guide you). Prayer is only a tool in the process of your salvation as we are saved because we have FAITH in God for our Salvation.

How will you know that your are Born Again?
1. You trust in Gods integrity to keep his own part of the bargain
John 6:37
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.

2. The Holy Spirit will bear witness with your Spirit that you are now a child of God
You will feel a kind of peace and joy in yourself
You will feel clean and light
Occasionally, the person may manifest one or more of the gifts of the Holy Spirit
Ultimately, your life will change with respect to how you view sin

Even though these are common signs, we do not depend on feeling as evidence of our salvation. We depend on our Faith in the Integrity of God and His Word


If there be any further question, let me know on this.

So are you saying that a person who is not born again cannot be saved?

Were faithful men of God like Abraham and Noah born again? If yes, why did they not go to heaven when they died as Jesus showed in John 3:13?

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

Lol, what makes you think prayer will help you out of the millions of Christians like you that are in need of help?

gohf:
guy you sound like the friends of Job, sometimes when God no send you, be quiet. Saying nothing may have been better. May someone not tell you this when you are going through pain.

How many times do i have to tell you not to engage me again?
Is that too difficult for you?
Well i don't have your time because whether you like it or not if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses working with the organization there is no salvation for you!

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that a person who is not born again cannot be saved?

Were faithful men of God like Abraham and Noah born again? If yes, why did they not go to heaven when they died as Jesus showed in John 3:13?

John 3:15-16
that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him

Abraham knew this Jesus: the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World
John 8:56
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad.”

Do you disagree with the fact that God is wise enough to deal with those who never met Jesus nor knew Him




Do you understand why the least in the kingdom of God is greater than John the baptist (who is also by implication greater that Abraham and David and Enoch)?
Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

It all boils down to those who believed in the Crucified Messiah!






If you like, you can chart your own path to salvation if you know the way other than Jesus
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

TenQ:
John 3:15-16
that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him

Abraham knew this Jesus: the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World
John 8:56
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad.”

Do you disagree with the fact that God is wise enough to deal with those who never met Jesus nor knew Him

Do you understand why the least in the kingdom of God is greater than John the baptist (who is also by implication greater that Abraham and David and Enoch)?

Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.


It all boils down to those who believed in the Crucified Messiah!






If you like, you can chart your own path to salvation if you know the way other than Jesus

So why was Abraham not in heaven after he died according to John 3:13?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that a person who is not born again cannot be saved?

Were faithful men of God like Abraham and Noah born again? If yes, why did they not go to heaven when they died as Jesus showed in John 3:13?

Abraham and Noah were saved by their faith, but their salvation was not yet fully realized.

Before Jesus' ascension, heaven was not open to believers, and they entered an intermediate state, often referred to as "paradise" or "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22-23, 23:43). This was a temporary realm where believers awaited the resurrection and the opening of heaven.. After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, the way to heaven was opened, and believers can now enter heaven at death.

Religion might be a scam, but God is not.

God is realer than the air you Breathe

Thankgod89:
Abraham and Noah were saved by their faith, but their salvation was not yet fully realized.

Before Jesus' ascension, heaven was not open to believers, and they entered an intermediate state, often referred to as "paradise" or "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22-23, 23:43). This was a temporary realm where believers awaited the resurrection and the opening of heaven.. After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, the way to heaven was opened, and believers can now enter heaven at death.

So faithful people who died before Abraham went where?

And where is the location of this paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Truthseeker10:
So faithful people who died before Abraham went where?

And where is the location of this paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Faithful individuals who lived before Abraham, such as Abel, Enoch, and Noah, were regarded as righteous because of their faith and obedience to God (Hebrews 11). Scripture implies that they were acknowledged as faithful and likely went to the same place as other Old Testament believers.

As for Abraham’s bosom or paradise, the Bible does not provide a specific geographic location. It is most likely a spiritual realm rather than a physical place, with its descriptions serving as symbolic representations of comfort and closeness to God.

Truthseeker10:
So why was Abraham not in heaven after he died according to John 3:13?

I don't usually use the "term Heaven" as the destination of believers in a specific sense because there is a NEW heaven and a NEW earth. In both will be children of God. The tabernacle of God will also be on earth at this time.

The Bible spoke about Abraham's Bosom: a term used in the Bible to describe a place of comfort and security for the righteous dead (the place where Abraham is). Paradise wherever it is means a Garden and a place of Comfort and Peace.

Thus where Abraham currently is called Abraham's' bosom by Jesus is Paradise Lk 16:22
Paradise is a Place in Heaven 2Cor 12:4 Rev 6:9-11 or Rev 7:1-17
The New Earth with the New Jerusalem on Earth is Also Paradise Rev 21:1 and Rev 22:9-27

To understand, these, for the Thief on the cross Jesus said:
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
This is not paradise on Earth!

PP123:
Do juju forget grace

You say that as if the millions who have pursued juju most of their lives have been helped by it any better than the Christians and muslims have been helped by their many prayers. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

TenQ:
I don't usually use the "term Heaven" as the destination of believers in a specific sense because there is a NEW heaven and a NEW earth. In both will be children of God. The tabernacle of God will also be on earth at this time.

The Bible spoke about Abraham's Bosom: a term used in the Bible to describe a place of comfort and security for the righteous dead (the place where Abraham is). Paradise wherever it is means a Garden and a place of Comfort and Peace.

Thus where Abraham currently is called Abraham's' bosom by Jesus is Paradise Lk 16:22
Paradise is a Place in Heaven 2Cor 12:4 Rev 6:9-11 or Rev 7:1-17
The New Earth with the New Jerusalem on Earth is Also Paradise Rev 21:1 and Rev 22:9-27

To understand, these, for the Thief on the cross Jesus said:
Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
This is not paradise on Earth!

So before Abraham died, where did faithful people go when they died?

Where is the location of this paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Thankgod89:
Faithful individuals who lived before Abraham, such as Abel, Enoch, and Noah, were regarded as righteous because of their faith and obedience to God (Hebrews 11). Scripture implies that they were acknowledged as faithful and likely went to the same place as other Old Testament believers.

As for Abraham’s bosom or paradise, the Bible does not provide a specific geographic location. It is most likely a spiritual realm rather than a physical place, with its descriptions serving as symbolic representations of comfort and closeness to God.

How do you know that the paradise or Abraham's bosom exist in the spiritual realm?
Where in the spiritual realm is the paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Is Abraham's bosom the same place as paradise? If yes, did Jesus go to Abraham's bosom when he died?