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MaxInDHouse:
How many times do i have to tell you not to engage me again?
Is that too difficult for you?
Well i don't have your time because whether you like it or not if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses working with the organization there is no salvation for you!

0 times, so stop acting proud, but you were right and I did agree we don't have the same faith, you are more of propaganda agent than a child of God. You promote religion instead of God's word. You act like a hypocrite correcting others and ignoring your own faults and here you are condemning others to promote your religion.

Truthseeker10:
So before Abraham died, where did faithful people go when they died?

They went to where Abraham is!
It's a nomenclature my dear fro the place where the "father of faith" is!

Truthseeker10:
Where is the location of this paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Only an ignorant person think that heaven or the Spiritual space where Abraham is is a spatial LOCATION!


Otherwise, explain how a legion of demons can be resident in just one man!

nolzautoz:
I✓ ’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
✓ I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

Nigeria is all the proof you need that religion, whichever one you claim, is nothing but a political scam. You have the Muslim hoard up north who even with their fervent prayers exist mostly like slaves and fodder to gun-wielding terrorists backed by politicians n their so-called religion of peace. Don't forget the Christian sheeples down South who offer countless prayers every year while funnelling resources into what is obviously a pyramid scheme designed by their many scammers-in-the-lords whose"success" can be directly traced back to their scheme and nothing else. Before I forget, all this is while the vast majority of the sheeples wallow in poverty as a result. Then you have the traditionalist, who claim juju works but when traced, you realize that the few who ever partook in juju and eventually recorded some success had to do so throw criminal means...drugs, kidnapping victims for ransom, gun running, gangsterism, etc. The many believers in this idea believe and resort to murdering members of their community in hopes of making it big next-- many killing not just once too. All these are products of religion in Nigeria.

So, tell me, wouldn't one have to be blind at this point to not realize it for what it is?

2. You have the evidence right in front of to yet you wonder if it is? Look, they say action speaks louder than words and no own lies better than men can. If you let yourself continue to get sucked up into the lies, you will have no one but yourself to blame after it all. My advice is that you abandon religion completely and focus your energy on discovering exactly why you have failed many interviews and figuring out what you do to pass the next one. Better still, find an opportunity in your community or state around which you can build a business to provide service and/or goods for.

TenQ:
They went to where Abraham is!
It's a nomenclature my dear fro the place where the "father of faith" is!

So Abraham's bosom existed before he was created?

What is the name of the place where Abraham is?

Only an ignorant person think that heaven or the Spiritual space where Abraham is is a special LOCATION!


Otherwise, explain how a legion of demons can be resident in just one man!

So heaven and where Abraham is are not destination?

Truthseeker10:
So Abraham's bosom existed before he was created?

What is the name of the place where Abraham is?
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So did Bode Thomas street in Lagos exit before he was created?
So Muritala Airport was named so at his birth?

SMH!

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=133838359]So heaven and where Abraham is are not destination?

Please, I dare you to point to where the Throne of God is in Heaven!
Only an ignorant person think that heaven or the Spiritual space where Abraham is is a spatial LOCATION!

I wonder how gross ignorance is being exhibited by one who claims knowledge

TenQ:
Please, I dare you to point to where the Throne of God is in Heaven!
Only an ignorant person think that heaven or the Spiritual space where Abraham is is a spacial LOCATION!

I wonder how gross ignorance is being exhibited by one who claims knowledge

Where is heaven and Where is the throne of God?

Truthseeker10:
Where is heaven and Where is the throne of God?

Since you think Heaven or the throne of God is a spatial location,
again
I dare you to point to where the Throne of God is in Heaven!

Truthseeker10:
How do you know that the paradise or Abraham's bosom exist in the spiritual realm?
Where in the spiritual realm is the paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Is Abraham's bosom the same place as paradise? If yes, did Jesus go to Abraham's bosom when he died?

The existence of Paradise and Abraham’s bosom in the spiritual realm is primarily a matter of faith, grounded in Scripture. In Luke 16:19–31, Jesus recounts the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, where Abraham’s bosom is depicted as a place of comfort for the righteous dead. Similarly, in Luke 23:43, Jesus tells the repentant thief on the cross, "Today you will be with me in Paradise," suggesting a distinct place of peace and rest in the spiritual realm. These references imply that such places exist beyond the physical world, accessible only after death.

Scripture does not provide specific details about the "location" of these places in the spiritual realm.
Jesus did go to Paradise after His death, as He promised the thief.

TenQ:
Since you think Heaven or the throne of God is a spatial location,
again
I dare you to point to where the Throne of God is in Heaven!

When you say spatial location, what do you mean?
Are you now saying that heaven is no longer a destination for those who are born again?

Thankgod89:
The existence of Paradise and Abraham’s bosom in the spiritual realm is primarily a matter of faith, grounded in Scripture. In Luke 16:19–31, Jesus recounts the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, where Abraham’s bosom is depicted as a place of comfort for the righteous dead. Similarly, in Luke 23:43, Jesus tells the repentant thief on the cross, "Today you will be with me in Paradise," suggesting a distinct place of peace and rest in the spiritual realm. These references imply that such places exist beyond the physical world, accessible only after death.

Scripture does not provide specific details about the "location" of these places in the spiritual realm.
Jesus did go to Paradise after His death, as He promised the thief.

Is paradise and Abraham's bosom the same?

What part of a human goes to Abraham's bosom and paradise after death?

Truthseeker10:
When you say spatial location, what do you mean?
Are you now saying that heaven is no longer a destination for those who are born again?

How does one answer a DUMMY when he asks a stupid Question?

Is God or the heavens ever described in terms of X, Y and Z space coordinates by Christians?

If God is SPIRIT and His Angels are Spirits, then you ask a DUMB question!

TenQ:
How does one answer a DUMMY when he asks a stupid Question?

Is God or the heavens ever described in terms of X, Y and Z space coordinates by Christians?

If God is SPIRIT and His Angels are Spirits, then you ask a DUMB question!

🤣🤣🤣....so where is the heaven that born again are going to na?

Kindly tell us how heaven is described in the bible.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣....so where is the heaven that born again are going to na?

Kindly tell us how heaven is described in the bible.

I can see that you have run out of your stupidity!


How a good day!

TenQ:
I can see that you have run out of your stupidity!


How a good day!

🤣🤣🤣 you simply do not even understand what you are teaching people. You don't even know where this heaven that you are talking about is and how the bible
describes it. Nawa oo.

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

If your problem is unemployment, look for something you can do on your own that'll fetch you money no matter how small it is.
Don't fix your mind on Jobs.

Sorry for the insults you got but remember people don't welcome dependants. Start from somewhere no matter how small

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣 you simply do not even understand what you are teaching people. You don't even know where this heaven that you are talking about is and how the bible
describes it. Nawa oo.

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Truthseeker10:
Is paradise and Abraham's bosom the same?

What part of a human goes to Abraham's bosom and paradise after death?

Paradise and Abraham's Bosom are similar but not identical.

Paradise is described as a temporary realm of joy and rest for believers before the final resurrection (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4). It is a place of comfort and peace where believers await their ultimate resurrection while Abraham's Bosom, on the other hand, is the realm of the dead. It is portrayed as a place of comfort and rest for the righteous, such as Lazarus, in the presence of Abraham (Luke 16:22-23). This area is distinct from the part of Hades where the wicked experience torment.

According to the Bible, it is the immaterial part of a human—such as the soul and spirit—that goes to either of these places after death.

Please note that I have not experienced either personally ( paradise or Abraham'sbosom) . Most of what I share here is based on faith, biblical teachings, and research.

Thankgod89:
Paradise and Abraham's Bosom are similar but not identical.

Paradise is described as a temporary realm of joy and rest for believers before the final resurrection (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4). It is a place of comfort and peace where believers await their ultimate resurrection while Abraham's Bosom, on the other hand, is the realm of the dead. It is portrayed as a place of comfort and rest for the righteous, such as Lazarus, in the presence of Abraham (Luke 16:22-23). This area is distinct from the part of Hades where the wicked experience torment.

According to the Bible, it is the immaterial part of a human—such as the soul and spirit—that goes to either of these places after death.

Please note that I have not experienced either personally ( paradise or Abraham'sbosom) . Most of what I share here is based on faith, biblical teachings, and research.

He is just trolling you. He is an atheist and he doesn't want to know anything from you!
Stop responding to him: he will waste your time!

Shalom

TenQ:
He is just trolling you. He is an atheist and he doesn't want to know anything from you!
Stop responding to him: he will waste your time!

Shalom

Lol, thanks.

nolzautoz:
I’ve been praying for grace all these years, but nothing has changed in my life. It’s the same as always. Now, I haven’t eaten in two days. Religion feels like a complete scam, and I’m starting to give up. I’ve been to countless interviews, yet still no job. I’m exhausted, really exhausted.
I’ve reached out to many of my Christian brothers for help, but most have blocked me, and some have insulted me. I can't help but wonder if this is really the Christianity that preaches love. From today, I’m done going to church. The whole religion thing feels like a big scam.

Sorry for Your experience
I hope God straightens your path

gammarays:
➜If your problem is unemployment, look for something you can do on your own that'll fetch you money no matter how small it is. Don't fix your mind on Jobs.
➜Sorry for the insults you got but remember people don't welcome dependants. Start from somewhere no matter how small

He boldly states this even as the number of unemployed in their churches today continues to grow by the day. 🙄🙄

2. OP said religion has scammed him. Aren't you conveniently ignoring that aspect of his post?

RealityKings1:
➜Sorry for Your experience. I hope God straightens your path

Which God out of the thousands of religious gods out there will do that for OP? Why try to gaslight OP into believing the fault is his for not receiving this grace he has religiously prayed for?

Thankgod89:
Paradise and Abraham's Bosom are similar but not identical.

Paradise is described as a temporary realm of joy and rest for believers before the final resurrection (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4). It is a place of comfort and peace where believers await their ultimate resurrection while Abraham's Bosom, on the other hand, is the realm of the dead. It is portrayed as a place of comfort and rest for the righteous, such as Lazarus, in the presence of Abraham (Luke 16:22-23). This area is distinct from the part of Hades where the wicked experience torment.

According to the Bible, it is the immaterial part of a human—such as the soul and spirit—that goes to either of these places after death.

Please note that I have not experienced either personally ( paradise or Abraham'sbosom) . Most of what I share here is based on faith, biblical teachings, and research.

So paradise, Abraham's bosom and heaven are not the same thing, They refer to three different realms?

So before Abraham was born, all good people that died went to where out of all the three realms?

Ecclesiastics 9:10 is quoted below.

New International Version
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

English Standard Version
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

Where does the Bible teach that soul is an immaterial part of man that does not die and that it was put inside man when he was created?

gohf:
0 times.

OK count this as one and stop quoting me!

TenQ:
He is just trolling you. He is an atheist and he doesn't want to know anything from you!
Stop responding to him: he will waste your time!

Shalom

Lol says a person that cannot describe heaven, the throne of God and Abraham's Bosom. But he is busy telling people that they would go to heaven as their destination after being born again.

Kobojunkie:
1.Which God out of the thousands of religious gods out there will do that for OP?

2. Why try to gaslight OP into believing the fault is his for not receiving this grace he has religiously prayed for?

1. The conception of the ultimate reality or ultimate truth revloves around a creator. You can explain that reality as Tetragramton YHWH Baal GOD or Most High.

2. My post was a prayer to the OP. how is that "gaslighting"? Life revolves around luck more than effort. It's important to prayer for luck and exert effort. When your effort isn't putting through a good result, that means you are probably praying for the wrong thing at that moment.

The real challenge is knowing what particular thing to pray for.
If nothing works, just live your life and don't try to impress people.

RealityKings1:
1. The conception of the ultimate reality or ultimate truth revloves around a creator. You can explain that reality as Tetragramton YHWH Baal GOD or Most High.
2. My post was a prayer to the OP. how is that "gaslighting"? Life revolves around luck more than effort. It's important to prayer for luck and exert effort. When your effort isn't putting through a good result, that means you are probably praying for the wrong thing at that moment.
3. The real challenge is knowing what particular thing to pray for.
➜If nothing works, just live your life and don't try to impress people.

Simple question! Which God? Which of the 45,000 Christian deities will do this for OP? Or which of the many local Nigerian deities are you referring to there? Or which of the many versions of the Islamic Allah do you mean will do this for OP? 🙄🙄

2. A payer in addition to the many useless prayers OP has made over the years? Are you for real? Isn't that a clear attempt to convince OP that his ineffective prayers can somehow be resolved by this one prayer of yours meaning OP's prayers may have failed but yours will definitely make the difference? 🙄

3. Oh! Yet more gaslighting! Never mind the fact that OP specifically stated what it was he had been praying for years, you would rather he think he was not praying for the right thing, abi? 🙄

4. So, You finally admit that OP is right that prayer is useless at the end of it all? 🙄

(Yes, there are various versions of the Islamic Allah out there. There are clearly different versions of Allah worshipped right here in Nigeria alone. There is the version worshipped by the Yorubas, the Boko Harams, and then by Northern politicians even Iswap has a different Allah for its own ideologies. And then when we move internationally, we find that a different Saudi Arabia serves an Allah different from that in Afghanistan, in Yemen, and also in Sudan. Every religion seems to have multiple versions of its deity and it becomes a clear question of whether the lies come from those who claim to serve or the deity in question. )

MaxInDHouse:
How many times do i have to tell you not to engage me again?
Is that too difficult for you?
Well i don't have your time because whether you like it or not if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses working with the organization there is no salvation for you!

The people who shouted "crucify him, crucify him" were also Jehovah's witnesses and they were working in the organization and definitely they would not be saved, so there is no salvation for you either

Kobojunkie:
Simple question! Which God? Which of the 45,000 Christian deities will do this for OP? Or which of the many local Nigerian deities are you referring to there? Or which of the many versions of the Islamic Allah do you mean will do this for OP?

(Yes, there are various versions of the Islamic Allah out there. There are clearly different versions of Allah worshipped right here in Nigeria alone. There is the version worshipped by the Yorubas, the Boko Harams, and then by Northern politicians even Iswap has a different Allah for its own ideologies. And then when we move internationally, we find that a different Saudi Arabia serves an Allah different from that in Afghanistan, in Yemen, and also in Sudan. Every religion seems to have multiple versions of its deity and it becomes a clear question of whether the lies come from those who claim to serve or the deity in question. )

1. I think the op is the person in the best position you should ask this

2. It's perfectly OK if you don't believe in any deity or factors. It doesn't change the fact that it's real

gohf:
0 times, so stop acting proud, but you were right and I did agree we don't have the same faith, you are more of propaganda agent than a child of God. You promote religion instead of God's word. You act like a hypocrite correcting others and ignoring your own faults and here you are condemning others to promote your religion.

Same is said of you for you even blatantly and openly Lie as shown in the thread where your lies where clearly laid to the point you resorted to deleting the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8315427/gohf-threads-forever-proof-liar#133692957

You are the same.

MaxInDHouse:
But you're still alive with a smart phone or computer to type this when many are crying in pain on their hospital bed.
Well you need to know the true Christians first, learn the purpose of life from them then you can start your prayer as you will know where to channel your petitions and what you must pray for!


Give us today our daily bread.‭Matthew 6:11


Jesus taught his disciples to pray for what they need DAILY not what the world has to offer! Matthew 6:19-21

sharap yeyeovah na mumu god e no get power

dawnomike:
@Op you need to know that prayer is not magic... you need to watch/work and pray.

sharap e no dey work, religion na scam