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danvon:
➜Lots of well educated bible scholars than yourself have confirmed it never happened it's not everything that needs argument.

How can anyone confirm for a fact something that is supposed to have taken place 1000s of years ago never happened? Come on now!! Make una dey take am easy with all of these una assertions abeg! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Kobojunkie:
How can anyone confirm for a fact something that is supposed to have taken place 1000s of years ago never happened? Come on now!! Make una dey take am easy with all of these una assertions abeg! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Because the Egyptians were not illiterates, they actually recorded their history, and even if they failed to record it, the Phoenicians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Babylonians definitely did.

Most evidence confirm that Hebrews originated in Canaan and didn't migrate from Egypt.

danvon:
➜Because the Egyptians were not illiterates, they actually recorded their history, and even if they failed to record it, the Phoenicians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Babylonians definitely did. Most evidence confirm that Hebrews originated in Canaan and didn't migrate from Egypt.

Where you get that statement in bold from? According to Scriptural reports, the land of Canaan which was populated by the Hebrews existed as far back as over 500 years before the migration of the children of Israel—descendants of Jacob, the wandering Aramean—to Canaan from Egypt. So, I am not certain what you mean by the statement in bold which contrasts with the records.

Kobojunkie:
Where you get that statement in bold from? According to Scriptural reports, the land of Canaan which was populated by the Hebrews existed as far back as over 500 years before the migration of the children of Israel—descendants of Jacob, the wandering Aramean—to Canaan from Egypt. So, I am not certain what you mean by the statement in bold which contrasts with the records.

It means that Hebrews, Canaanites and Philistines belong to the same linguistic/ethnic family.

The idea that Hebrews came from Egypt as freed slaves to the promise land was totally fabricated or for argument sake doesn't have much evidence to back it up, more evidence support Hebrews originating in Canaan.

danvon:
➜It means that Hebrews, Canaanites and Philistines belong to the same linguistic/ethnic family. The idea that Hebrews came from Egypt as freed slaves to the promise land was totally fabricated or for argument sake doesn't have much evidence to back it up, more evidence support Hebrews originating in Canaan.

Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time.

Kobojunkie:
Where you get that statement in bold from? According to Scriptural reports, the land of Canaan which was populated by the Hebrews existed as far back as over 500 years before the migration of the children of Israel—descendants of Jacob, the wandering Aramean—to Canaan from Egypt. So, I am not certain what you mean by the statement in bold which contrasts with the records.

Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time. Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

They are written to have gone to Egypt and back.

My point is, they never left or came back, they were always in Canaan until the Assyrians and Babylonians displaced them.

They may have been ruled by the Egyptian empire at a certain time, but they never left Canaan to go to live in Egypt..

danvon:
➜They are written to have gone to Egypt and back.
➜My point is, they never left or came back, they were always in Canaan until the Assyrians and Babylonians displaced them.They may have been ruled by the Egyptian empire at a certain time, but they never left Canaan to go to live in Egypt..

Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time.

Kobojunkie:
Where you get that statement in bold from? According to Scriptural reports, the land of Canaan which was populated by the Hebrews existed as far back as over 500 years before the migration of the children of Israel—descendants of Jacob, the wandering Aramean—to Canaan from Egypt. So, I am not certain what you mean by the statement in bold which contrasts with the records.

Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

2. Your point is meaningless when you are instead informed both through scripture sources and non-scriptural sources that the people of Hebrew existed in the land of Canaan, long before the people of Israel were written to have migrated to that same land to live among them. The land in question was occupied land before the so-called Israelites showed up to join the existing Hebrew population.

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time. Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

2. Your point is meaningless when you are instead informed both through scripture sources and non-scriptural sources that the people of Hebrew existed in the land of Canaan, long before the people of Israel were written to have migrated to that same land to live among them. The land in question was occupied land before the so-called Israelites showed up to join the existing Hebrew population.

They showed up to overthrow the Canaanite population not join them. In the Bible, Abraham came from the land of Ur and God promised him Canaan, he was written as an immigrant in Canaan.

danvon:
➜They showed up to overthrow the Canaanite population not join them.
➜In the Bible, Abraham came from the land of Ur and God promised him Canaan, he was written as an immigrant in Canaan.

Yet there are reports of Canaanites living in the same land even after this supposed overthrowing?

Yes, Abraham was an immigrant to Canaan. He eventually left the land, dying elsewhere. So?

Kobojunkie:
Yet there are reports of Canaanites living in the same land even after this supposed overthrowing?

Yes, Abraham was an immigrant to Canaan. He eventually left the land, dying elsewhere. So?

So, Hebrews did not originate in Canaan by biblical narrative.

I don't have energy for pointless arguments, pick up a Bible and read. No place was it ever implied that Canaanites belong to the same group as Hebrews.

Canaanites were constantly painted as evil people, which is why their land was forfeit.

danvon:
➜So, Hebrews did not originate in Canaan by biblical narrative.
➜I don't have energy for pointless arguments, pick up a Bible and read. No place was it ever implied that Canaanites belong to the same group as Hebrews. Canaanites were constantly painted as evil people, which is why their land was forfeit.

The record of the existence of the Canaanites goes as early as Genesis 9 - 12. They existed long before Jacob and His family came to be.

2. The one arguing pointlessly here is you though since you make claims that conflict with information contained in the Israelite Scriptures. The term Hebrew is revealed to have been in place since as early as Genesis 10 and this is about people who are connected to Jacob whose descendants are referred to as the Israelites.

FYI, the first mention of the man named Jacob— the progenitor of the Israelites who was reported to have left Egypt for Canaan— is in Genesis 25.

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

Maybe you should read Genesis again because it obviously mentioned that the god imposed the condition on them as the price for being the “chosen people” who would later steal things that belonged to other people.

The question you should be asking is why did the god engage in all the shenanigans in Egypt, including mass murder, when he was the one that caused them to suffer in the first place.

It’s a ridiculous fairy tale.

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danvon:
Lots of well educated bible scholars than yourself have confirmed it never happened it's not everything that needs argument.

Does one really need “bible scholars” to realize that it’s all bullshit?

What makes a “bible scholar” any more of an authority than Dtruthspeaker? At the end of the day they both have only their unfounded opinions.

Kobojunkie:
How can anyone confirm for a fact something that is supposed to have taken place 1000s of years ago never happened? Come on now!! Make una dey take am easy with all of these una assertions abeg! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

danvon:
Because the Egyptians were not illiterates, they actually recorded their history, and even if they failed to record it, the Phoenicians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Babylonians definitely did.

Most evidence confirm that Hebrews originated in Canaan and didn't migrate from Egypt.

That’s not a proper answer to the question of how do you know something from 1000 years ago did not happen.

What if the Egyptians wrote that some guy could scale a mountain in a single bound and fly like an eagle while flapping his arms, would you believe it because they were not illiterates or would you disbelieve it because the claim is fantastic, obviously absurd, and physically impossible?

Do you need to go to Mount Olympus to confirm Zeus isn’t there?

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

If you are living on this planet presently and you can see that all the so called law enforcement agents are not up to 1% of the population in your country yet your rulers makes rules that's making life unbearable for the masses despite the fact that those who will enforce such rules are also among the suffering masses what makes you think Pharaoh whose law enforcement agents were all Egyptians can't do the same thing to the Israelites who were never trained to handle weapons?

Kobojunkie:
The record of the existence of the Canaanites goes as early as Genesis 9 - 12. They existed long before Jacob and His family came to be.

2. The one arguing pointlessly here is you though since you make claims that conflict with information contained in the Israelite Scriptures. The term Hebrew is revealed to have been in place since as early as Genesis 10 and this is about people who are connected to Jacob whose descendants are referred to as the Israelites.

FYI, the first mention of the man named Jacob— the progenitor of the Israelites who was reported to have left Egypt for Canaan— is in Genesis 25.

You have the right to your opinion. You want to believe every first born son of a great civilization died in a single day, you have the right to believe it.

KnownUnknown:
That’s not a proper answer to the question of how do you know something from 1000 years ago did not happen.

What if the Egyptians wrote that some guy could scale a mountain in a single bound and fly like an eagle while flapping his arms, would you believe it because they were not illiterates or would you disbelieve it because the claim is fantastic, obviously absurd, and physically impossible?

Do you need to go to Mount Olympus to confirm Zeus isn’t there?

That's where multiple sources and archaelogical evidence come into play. Something as great as the first born son of every Egyptian dying and the red sea splitting should have surely been vastly recorded.

danvon:
✓ You have the right to your opinion. You want to believe every first born son of a great civilization died in a single day, you have the right to believe it.

Opinion? What u gave you are facts about what is contained right there in the book itself. Why you insist on arguing about it all from a point of ignorance is beyond me. This is why I keep insisting that those of you who claim to be Nigerian atheists abi na wetin you go claim are no different from the religious hordes in your ignorance and arrogance. You reason and approach things the very same way they do, yet you convince yourselves you are somehow different? 😩😩😩😩

Kobojunkie:
Opinion? What u gave you are facts about what is contained right there in the book itself. Why you insist on arguing about it all from a point of ignorance is beyond me. This is why I keep insisting that those of you who claim to be Nigerian atheists abi na wetin you go claim are no different from the religious hordes in your ignorance and arrogance. You reason and approach things the very same way they do, yet you convince yourselves you are somehow different? 😩😩😩😩

Facts would be admitting that the bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by people, people with their own motives, beliefs and goals from a totally different era

Believing the Bible was fabricated actually makes it more interesting to read.

But you have the right to your own delusion, I'm not a pastor I'm not interested in changing your mind.

Please don't mention me again.

danvon:
➜Facts would be admitting that the bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by people, people with their own motives, beliefs and goals from a totally different era
➜Believing the Bible was fabricated actually makes it more interesting to read. But you have the right to your own delusion, I'm not a pastor I'm not interested in changing your mind. Please don't mention me again.

Nowhere in the book is it stated that the book fell from this heaven when you reference it. Rather, if you carefully took time to actually read through yourself, you would find that the various authors were humans who expressed themselves in human language with the intention that their works be comprehended and consumed by other humans such as themselves the same way they would human thought. I guess my point is why do you think it is OK to argue emotionally from a point of ignorance yourself? 🙄🙄

2. Every book on this planet was fabricated by humans and meant for human consumption. So arguing this way does not help you at all. 🙄

FYI! Stop thinking it is OK for you to push the very same religious gobbledegook that others do only to pretend it is better cause it comes from you. 🙄

Kobojunkie:
Nowhere in the book is it stated that the book fell from this heaven when you reference it. Rather, if you carefully took time to actually read through yourself, you would find that the various authors were humans who expressed themselves in human language with the intention that their works be comprehended and consumed by other humans such as themselves the same way they would human thought. I guess my point is why do you think it is OK to argue emotionally from a point of ignorance yourself? 🙄🙄

2. Every book on this planet was fabricated by humans and meant for human consumption. So arguing this way does not help you at all. 🙄

FYI! Stop thinking it is OK for you to push the very same religious gobbledegook that others do only to pretend it is better cause it comes from you. 🙄

What religious gobbledegook? Saying the Exodus story didn't happen?