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Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Roboto11: 1:21pm On Jan 25, 2025
dometome:
Still wondering with a great wonderment on how you cannot stay in your own country
grin

So it's only Caucasians that lay claim to US.

grin

I have more claim to USA than Elon Musk.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by happney65: 1:28pm On Jan 25, 2025
kedeojo:
Exactly my taught at your second to last paragraph. He should simply say, you can't just come to America and gave birth and leave and after sometimes you say your child is a citizen. He should put some numbers of years to stay before confirmation.
Exactly. That is still okay than an outright ban
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Ekaka14: 1:31pm On Jan 25, 2025
Ojuntana:
That's because you're not reading but just following rumours and hearsay
Not true...you probably know next to nothing about this issue so just get off !!
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by 1Alex: 1:41pm On Jan 25, 2025
Starzo:
Every land is made up of immigrants. In the early stages of humanity, people migrated to various lands to form clans.

Now because we all came to our present environment through immigration at one point of our existence,does it mean we throw the gates open allow people move in and out without proper vetting?. Does it mean anyone can just claim to be part of us, understanding our culture,values and struggles just cuz they were born on the land?
this issue is based the rule of law, not on morality or feelings. American constitution says "if you are born in America, you are a citizen".

Trump cannot overnight change the constitution to whatever he likes. He has no right to do that. That's why the court is able to block any of his orders.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by TossTos(m): 1:43pm On Jan 25, 2025
Gbam 🔥🔥🔥

Pelosi , i support this .. me wey dey plan to have my boy an American through birth..
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by BadBradley: 1:45pm On Jan 25, 2025
Expired defeated demon still wan raise voice
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Moniya4Real(m): 1:49pm On Jan 25, 2025
Very correct! Even a Yoruba or Hausa man born in Kano would find it difficult to hold state public office in Kano, regardless of the fact he was actually born in Kano and can speak the local language very fluently
Ok






Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by ElevationD: 1:53pm On Jan 25, 2025
Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree
Nigeria also practices citizenship by birthright!

That’s why you have people of different skin colors, races and religion, born in Nigeria by immigrants and rightfully claim Nigerian citizenship.

The famous Chagouris are the clearest examples. There are uncountable examples of Europeans, Asians, Americans and other Africans who hold Nigerian citizenships and passports.

Trump simply wants to protect his country, seeing what immigrants have done in the recent times. We cannot blame him for that. Unfortunately he cannot, as the constitution would have to be amended to enable him. If the opportunity presents itself, surely they can contest elective offices. By the way, can you count the number of Nigeriens and Chadians who hold public positions in the north?
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by quickly: 1:58pm On Jan 25, 2025
forgiveness:
America is a migrant country. They have exterminated the real indigenes, the red Indians.

Even Trump is a beneficiary of the American by birth law because his forefathers were immigrants.
Maybe 200 years ago . UK cancelled birthright citizenship in 1983.

This law will pass because republicans won the house and the Supreme Court is also conservative.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Ankakh: 2:06pm On Jan 25, 2025
It's as clear as black and white. It's in the 14th amendment.

Any argument is rooted in ignorance and maybe some bigotry and racism joined together.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by descarado: 2:17pm On Jan 25, 2025
forgiveness:
America is a migrant country. They have exterminated the real indigenes, the red Indians.

Even Trump is a beneficiary of the American by birth law because his forefathers were immigrants.
Native Americans.

Nobody uses red Indians anymore. Besides, the natives hate the name red Indians cos they have nothing in common with Indian people at all.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Ajsmart(m): 2:21pm On Jan 25, 2025
Nigeria is a 100% black nation whose indigenous citizens have always inhabited.
America was stolen from the native, indigenous Americans by European IMMIGRANTS who also went as far as committing genocide against the natives, IMPORTED enslaved people to till and build the land. These 2 simple facts tells you that USA does not belong to white people so ANY child who is born on the American soil even by unlawful immigrant parents is by right a 100% citizen of the U.S.A just as the illegal, undocumented European immigrants who stole the land did not revoke birthright citizenship from their children born on U.S soil.

Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by ElSudani: 2:23pm On Jan 25, 2025
Starzo:
Every land is made up of immigrants. In the early stages of humanity, people migrated to various lands to form clans.

Now because we all came to our present environment through immigration at one point of our existence,does it mean we throw the gates open allow people move in and out without proper vetting?. Does it mean anyone can just claim to be part of us, understanding our culture,values and struggles just cuz they were born on the land?
Did native Americans give all the people now calling themselves Americans the right to come to their land in the first place?
If you want to go back that far in history then everyone should go back to where they originally came from.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by jmichael259(m): 2:24pm On Jan 25, 2025
Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.
Yes
Yes
Yes

Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger, You don't need to be born in a country to hold political office except the number one seat in the country.

However, Chidinma Adetshina cannot become president of Nigeria because she was born in South Africa and Barrack Obama, born in Hawaii, can become president of U.S.A not Kenya because office of the presidency requires that country should also be your country of birth.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Roboto11: 2:27pm On Jan 25, 2025
ElevationD:
Nigeria also practices citizenship by birthright!

That’s why you have people of different skin colors, races and religion, born in Nigeria by immigrants and rightfully claim Nigerian citizenship.

The famous Chagouris are the clearest examples. There are uncountable examples of Europeans, Asians, Americans and other Africans who hold Nigerian citizenships and passports.

Trump simply wants to protect his country, seeing what immigrants have done in the recent times. We cannot blame him for that. Unfortunately he cannot, as the constitution would have to be amended to enable him. If the opportunity presents itself, surely they can contest elective offices. By the way, can you count the number of Nigeriens and Chadians who hold public positions in the north?
What did Immigrants do ?
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Roboto11: 2:29pm On Jan 25, 2025
quickly:
Maybe 200 years ago . UK cancelled birthright citizenship in 1983.

This law will pass because republicans won the house and the Supreme Court is also conservative.
2/3rds majority requited.

It would never pass.

Try another trick.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Eniolohunda: 2:32pm On Jan 25, 2025
happney65:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with citizenship by birth. Nothing wrong. Most of the people saying they don't want this and that,their forefathers were 'inlegal' migrants too.
Trump's Grandfather came from Germany to the USA. The Europeans came from Europe and took over tribal lands from the American Indians themselves who were the owners of the land.

However maybe little tweaking can be done to it. Maybe telling those who want their children to be citizen should stay for a few number of years,like a year or two before they become full citizens. Like it's done in the UK. not having the child today and leaving tommorow. That is still understable.

But wanting to stop citizenship by birth automatically is unfortunate and it is the talking points of racists
It is hard to argue with most of Nigerian youth of today because most of them never read nor research but they will continue arguing blindly based on what they thought. You tried dedicating your time responding to one ignoramus up there that doesn't care to even learn.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by ElSudani: 2:44pm On Jan 25, 2025
diamond68:
That whole concept is madness. You can easily be taken over. 10 million arabs come and born in America, otilor. It is now Taliban territory
Isn't that what the Europeans did to native Americans and the Aboriginals in Australia? It almost happened in South Africa and Israel is gradually killing off Palestinians as we speak.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Benwallt(m): 2:47pm On Jan 25, 2025
Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree
You can see he was clearly stated as nigerian

Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by adecz: 2:52pm On Jan 25, 2025
Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree




Stop opening your mouth on what you
don't know.

Every country has its laws & policies.

A country like US, you can even claim or adopt
any state of your choice, while it's not same
thing in your backwards country.

Se a Nigerian woman may soon become
PM of Britain and you are here comparing
Nigeria with US.


Any more of such senseless posts and I'll
instruct adminis to eject you...

👉 Be warned ⚠️
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by sweetjohn(m): 2:55pm On Jan 25, 2025
Natbrowny:
A white man was born in Nigeria, would we consider him Nigerian? That's what someone who has Australian Parents but was born in Nigeria posted on Quora.

Hugo Wallace Weaving AO is a British-Australian actor. He was born in Nigeria, do we consider him Nigerian.

Can he hold public office here in Nigeria if he proves that by birth he is Nigerian.

America dey try sef, dey allow immigrants who was born on their land to hold public office. Naija no go gree
No be naija abeg, na Yoruba idiots as if they fit fight
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by ogbonti: 3:00pm On Jan 25, 2025
happney65:
Maybe you can ask their forefathers why they put it in their Constitution and it was written there in black and white.

In the US of A. It is not a case of executive action. It is a case of written in black and white in their Constitution.

The same with rights to bear arms. Wondered why America has a huge gun problem? It is because it is in the Constitution.

So if they want to stop non immigrants not to birth kids that are Americans automatically,they should also stop the right for every Tom,Dick and Harry having Military style firearms. Because come to look at it that makes no sense more than fighting over citizenship

2ge4

BTW,they are not the only ones that uses it. Canada does too. And so many others too
The constitution was referring to children of slaves and freed slaves not EVERY TOM DICK and HARRY from every part of the world
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Zubeezanga(m): 3:22pm On Jan 25, 2025
happney65:
Maybe you can ask their forefathers why they put it in their Constitution and it was written there in black and white.

In the US of A. It is not a case of executive action. It is a case of written in black and white in their Constitution.

The same with rights to bear arms. Wondered why America has a huge gun problem? It is because it is in the Constitution.

So if they want to stop non immigrants not to birth kids that are Americans automatically,they should also stop the right for every Tom,Dick and Harry having Military style firearms. Because come to look at it that makes no sense more than fighting over citizenship

2ge4

BTW,they are not the only ones that uses it. Canada does too. And so many others too
as time changes things have to change constitutions have to change in the best interest of the present now, that is how humanity survive it is called adaptation
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Bwaal(m): 3:24pm On Jan 25, 2025
forgiveness:
America is a migrant country. They have exterminated the real indigenes, the red Indians.

Even Trump is a beneficiary of the American by birth law because his forefathers were immigrants.
May your brain be filled with wisdom and you shall never lack knowledge wise. THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING THE BLOKE
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by ElevationD: 3:28pm On Jan 25, 2025
Roboto11:
What did Immigrants do ?
Immigrants, especially South Americans have been involved in very serious crimes, ranging from drug trade to murder.

Note that Trump simply amplified what had been going on with previous administrations. However this time, Trump is determined to put an end to the endless huge human trains moving to America from Venezuela, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, etc.

Aside from that, Trump is determined to put an end to terrorist imported into the USA from Middle East and Africa. All he wants to do is to protect his country from criminals. While they find internal means within the law to deal with criminal citizens, they must not permit foreign criminals to continue to invade their country and further harm the citizens.

That’s the same complain by Nigerians, when we complained that Fulani militia had invaded the country from other parts of Africa.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Roboto11: 3:34pm On Jan 25, 2025
ElevationD:
Immigrants, especially South Americans have been involved in very serious crimes, ranging from drug trade to murder.

Note that Trump simply amplified what had been going on with previous administrations. However this time, Trump is determined to put an end to the endless huge human trains moving to America from Venezuela, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, etc.

Aside from that, Trump is determined to put an end to terrorist imported into the USA from Middle East and Africa. All he wants to do is to protect his country from criminals. While they find internal means within the law to deal with criminal citizens, they must not permit foreign criminals to continue to invade their country and further harm the citizens.

That’s the same complain by Nigerians, when we complained that Fulani militia had invaded the country from other parts of Africa.
Those are lies.

Racism as it as always been.

Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by naijaman2225(m): 3:35pm On Jan 25, 2025
dometome:
False! Not what the constitution says. Stay in your own country na abeg
Stop spreading falsehood. The 14th Amendment to the U.S constitution is very clear about that: anyone one born in the United States is a citizen, whether the parents are citizens themselves, permanent residents or migrants (legal or illegal). The only exception are children of diplomats.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by Darkjudge24: 3:36pm On Jan 25, 2025
24kmagik:
Person say e no want you for him country, you de para.

Here in Nigeria, some people don't even want you to go to their state of origin to live. They will ask you to go back to your own state simply because the set up of the country favours one part over the other.

I really wish there was a way to stop this migration bullshit forever in this world. Stay in your country. If you must go to another man's land, let it be for vacation or work, after which you must come back within a time frame.

In that case, every government will double up their efforts to make their country conducive.

Nigerians are a nuisance everywhere in the world and I like how South Africans are handling them

Useless people
If you must give your own narrative must you denigrate Nigeria and Nigerians, stop it
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by quickly: 3:39pm On Jan 25, 2025
Roboto11:
2/3rds majority requited.

It would never pass.

Try another trick.
The birth right citizenship was passed because of slaves and red indians. When the rule was made they were not thinking about u in africa or chinese, it was for there own sub class of people as of the time. The matter will drag for long and reach supreme court. The Supreme court of the US can stamp the amendemnt. Having said that i am neither for or against it, Wetin concern me


The truth of the matter is that it encourages illegal migration mostly from central and south america.

They havent even mentioned chinese and indians those ones are abusing the system massively with theri billions of population. India is worse than Nigeria as abusers

Nigeria is like 1-2% or even less.
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by 24kmagik: 3:42pm On Jan 25, 2025
Darkjudge24:
If you must give your own narrative must you denigrate Nigeria and Nigerians, stop it
I won't stop because that is just the fact.
Stay in your country and stop constituting nuisance in other people's lands.

Nobody wants to come to your country.

Instead of staying in your country to build it and make it attractive, you you run to other people's lands and constitute nuisance all over the place.

Useless country with useless leaders and followers

Na that Trump fit una
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by DuttyChuks: 3:43pm On Jan 25, 2025
forgiveness:
America is a migrant country. They have exterminated the real indigenes, the red Indians.

Even Trump is a beneficiary of the American by birth law because his forefathers were immigrants.
Can you prove this?
Re: If You're Born In America You're American - Nancy Pelosi by naijaman2225(m): 3:43pm On Jan 25, 2025
1Alex:
this issue is based the rule of law, not on morality or feelings. American constitution says "if you are born in America, you are a citizen".

Trump cannot overnight change the constitution to whatever he likes. He has no right to do that. That's why the court is able to block any of his orders.
Most Nigerians find it difficult comprehending this , which is not surprising given that what we have here is a pseudo democracy.
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