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After I studied the Quran, I can't believe an intellectually honest ,morally meticulous, just and truly smart person will practice Islam. Even Christianity, I rejected it at some point just because of some practices and Laws in old testament which GAVE ME a very hard time of doubt and skeptism for more than 15 years of my life even though I was born into a very religious home....if not that I encounterd Christ by himself, and Christ teaching proved to be the most true, sublime, liberating, peaceful and love spreading teaching u can ever find in any scriptures, I may never HAVE become a true Christian again.
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Now imagine the confusion, contradiction, superstitions, capital punishment, and terroristic sentiments promoted by Quran and Mohammed , how can a normal honest person overlook those ethical, and problematic areas of Islamic teachings or scripture and still become a Muslim? The more I studied the Quran, the more I get confused and surprised that people will ascribe Quran as being dropped from heaven to earth for humanity...it's crazy. Spiritual Deception and manipulation can never be more glaring.

My Final opinion about Islam is that it a grand spiritual deception that was was founded and masterminded by a contact with a powerful satanic angel....to deceive humanity about the truth of Jehovah the only true God and Christ the only way to the true God.
I came to this conclusion because almost all major figures found in The Bible is also seen in the Quran..same figure, but different names (language translation) but with more crazy and dramatic stories about them...Quran is a copycat of the Bible events and story interlaced with lies to deceive many away from Christ.

IMAGINE the emotional blackmail called pledge forcefully enforced on Nairaland on Islamic thread...that alone is enough for u to know Islam is not a true religion...Islam is deception that hates criticism or thorough analysis
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How can u force people to pledge they are Muslim before being allowed to comment...that's something found with cult... nothing godly about it....a form of God found in Islam is to make the deception easy....I believe Islamic God is a false God

Firstly, Quran is not a copycat of bible but a holy book that compiled the holy books of these prophets:

Prophet Ibrahim : Abraham
Prophet Musa: Moses
Prophet Daud: David
Prophet Issa: Jesus.

May Allah be pleased with them all. Amin

In the holy bible, before Jesus christ was elevated,he make mentioned of a prophet coming after him which is prophet Mohammad S.A.W

He was the last prophet of Allah and his teaching is the same thing like the prophets before him which is " Oneness of Allah "

So brother, tell me exact verse or chapter in the holy Quran that is not found in the original bible. I mean the real Holy Bible and not king jackson version or brother apostle version.

The so called pledge is as result of some christians who are found of always coming to Muslim threads to talk nonsense.

FreeSpirited:
IMAGINE the emotional blackmail called pledge forcefully enforced on Nairaland on Islamic thread...that alone is enough for u to know Islam is not a true religion...Islam is deception
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How can u force people to pledge they are Muslim before being allowed to comment...that's something found with cult... nothing godly about it....a form of God found in Islam is to make the deception easy....I believe Islamic God is a false God

madridguy:
Firstly, Quran is not a copycat of bible but a holy book that compiled the holy books of these prophets:

Prophet Ibrahim : Abraham
Prophet Musa: Moses
Prophet Daud: David
Prophet Issa: Jesus.

May Allah be pleased with them all. Amin

In the holy bible, before Jesus christ was elevated,he make mentioned of a prophet coming after him which is prophet Mohammad S.A.W

He was the last prophet of Allah and his teaching is the same thing like the prophets before him which is " Oneness of Allah "

So brother, tell me exact verse or chapter in the holy Quran that is not found in the original bible. I mean the real Holy Bible and not king jackson version or brother apostle version.

1. This Real Bible that u guys always use as a point of argument, can you provide it? Have you read it? Abi it's another figment of imagination rhetorics to dissuade people from trusting the Bible? If u can provide it.....I will love to read too and see the original u claim

2. You said Jesus said a prophet is coming, how? Where? When ...Pls I hate unfounded claims....Pls what verse of the Bible did u read this? Was it recorded in the Bible ? And where? Abi it's some oral fables passed down by Islamic scholars ? which is very usual of them.. Kindly provide where u found that statement of Christ...I will also love to read the source..Pls....na beg I dey beg....I hate confusion in my life.

madridguy
Thirdly, it's true that Christ taught One God, which he always call his father..
But that was not the only or major teaching of Christ like other prophets u claim.
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So why din't Quran include major teaching and mission of Christ in the world apart from oneness of God?
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Christ taught salvation, Redemption, his resurrection, forgiveness, Holy Spirit, and Love and Last days judgement. Which no other prophet could preach... Question is , have u considered this other profound teaching of Christ?

FreeSpirited:
After I studied the Quran, I can't believe an intellectually honest ,moral, just and truly smart person will practice Islam. Even Christianity, I rejected it at some point just because of some practices and Laws in old testament which GAVE ME a very hard time of doubt and skeptism for more than 15 years of my life even though I was born into a very religious home....if not that I encounterd Christ by himself, and Christ teaching proved to be the most true, sublime, liberating, peaceful and love filled teaching u can ever find in any scriptures, I may never HAVE become a true Christian again.
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Now imagine the confusion, contradiction, superstitions, capital punishment, and terroristic sentiments promoted by Quran and Mohammed , how can a normal honest person overlook those ethical, and problematic areas of Islamic teachings or scripture and still become a Muslim? The more I studied the Quran, the more I get confused and surprised that people will ascribe Quran as being dropped from heaven to earth for humanity...it's crazy. Spiritual Deception and manipulation can never be more glaring.

My Final opinion about Islam is that it a grand spiritual deception that was was founded and masterminded by a contact with a powerful satanic angel....to deceive humanity about the truth of Jehovah the only true God and Christ the only way to the true God.
I came to this conclusion because almost all major figures found in The Bible is also seen in the Quran..same figure, but different names (language translation) but with more crazy and dramatic stories about them...Quran is a copycat of the Bible events and story interlaced with lies to deceive many away from Christ.

There is takkiyah now. Islam is the most ridiculous and dishonest religion ever known to man. Very self serving

Kdon2:
There is takkiyah now. Islam is the most ridiculous and dishonest religion ever known to man. Very self serving

See ehn...There are a lot of concept in Islamic teaching that u will just shake ur head and cringe knowing that people die for such ridiculous and dishonest claims ....That's why I can never trust the goodness of any staunch Muslim...we have good ones ...but I can never trust it....

FreeSpirited:
See ehn...There are a lot of concept in Islamic teaching that u will just shake ur head and cringe knowing that people die for such ridiculous and dishonest claims ....That's why I can never trust the goodness of any staunch Muslim...we have good ones ...but I can never trust it....

I agree

Regardless of the religion, you can NEVER be a smart and religious person.

It's NOT possible.

The ONLY smart and religious people are the Pastors and Imams who RUTHLESSLY fleece fools in the name of religion.

Put 2 people of ANY different religions together and watch them poke SEVERAL holes in the ideology of the other person's religion while maintaining the INFALLIBILITY of theirs.

Religion is having UNFLINCHING confidence in UNCONFIRMED and UNCONFIRMABLE fairy tales.

It's the stuff of IRRATIONAL STUPIDITY.

This thread is shitting on Islam and its adherents meanwhile the OP follows a religion where the God is ALL-POWERFUL and ALL-LOVING but allows his ARCHNEMESIS to wreak havoc on the children he claims to love UNCONDITIONALLY.

And if the children so much as tell ONE lie or fall into the temptation of the Devil; he will grant them ETERNAL LIFE just for the pleasure of watching them ROAST for ETERNITY.

ALL religion is MADNESS!

There is nothing like confusion here and this is the reason I told you to get the bible. Ask around and get it. Inside the same bible you will found where Jesus christ perform ablution and pray as a Muslim.

FreeSpirited:
1. This Real Bible that u guys always use as a point of argument, can you provide it? Have you read it? Abi it's another figment of imagination rhetorics to dissuade people from trusting the Bible? If u can provide it.....I will love to read too and see the original u claim

2. You said Jesus said a prophet is coming, how? Where? When ...Pls I hate unfounded claims....Pls what verse of the Bible did u read this? Was it recorded in the Bible ? And where? Abi it's some oral fables passed down by Islamic scholars ? which is very usual of them.. Kindly provide where u found that statement of Christ...I will also love to read the source..Pls....na beg I dey beg....I hate confusion in my life.

Namaster:
Regardless of the religion, you can NEVER be a smart and religious person.

It's NOT possible.

The ONLY smart and religious people are the Pastors and Imams who RUTHLESSLY fleece fools in the name of religion.

Put 2 people of ANY different religions together and watch them poke SEVERAL holes in the ideology of the other person's religion while maintaining the INFALLIBILITY of theirs.

Religion is having UNFLINCHING confidence in UNCONFIRMED and UNCONFIRMABLE fairy tales.

It's the stuff of IRRATIONAL STUPIDITY.

This thread is shitting on Islam and its adherents meanwhile the OP follows a religion where the God is ALL-POWERFUL and ALL-LOVING but allows his ARCHNEMESIS to wreak havoc on the children he claims to love UNCONDITIONALLY.

And if the children so much as tell ONE lie or fall into the temptation of the Devil; he will grant them ETERNAL LIFE just for the pleasure of watching them ROAST for ETERNITY.

ALL religion is MADNESS!

Brother atheist, skeptic abi agnostic...wake up from your intellectual pride of logic....it knows no end...it will take u nowhere
Go and read about most iconic fathers of philosophy, read about their end.....you should learn wisdom from it and humble yourself to find and seek God for yourself.........I won't say more than..this.

Everything you said is also reveal to prophet Mohammed which could also be found in the Quran.

FreeSpirited:
madridguy
Thirdly, it's true that Christ taught One God, which he always call his father..
But that was not the only or major teaching of Christ like other prophets u claim.
.
So why din't Quran include major teaching and mission of Christ in the world apart from oneness of God?
.
Christ taught salvation, Redemption, his resurrection, forgiveness, Holy Spirit, and Love and Last days judgement. Which no other prophet could preach... Question is , have u considered this other profound teaching of Christ?

madridguy:
There is nothing like confusion here and this is the reason I told you to get the bible. Ask around and get it. Inside the same bible you will found where Jesus christ perform ablution and pray as a Muslim.

Outside of religion and APC politics , u used to sound at least somewhat reasonable.....but now see as talking abt religion dey make u sound ridiculous and vacuous.
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I asked if u have read the so called original Bible.......u dint answer....means u only carry hearsay
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Then u say Jesus performed ablutions........as if that is a point that amount to anything in the grand scheme of things....Kai...the level of porosity of that argument destroys my will to engage
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If ablutions u refer to means bowing down, was bowing down invented by Islam and Quran...Even Angels bow in heaven....even Psalms taught us about bowing down....so how is that the exclusive of Islam that it has to be used for argument to defend ur faith? Smh...these are the issues about Islam..

2. If Ablutions u mean is washing of hands and legs...then if I may ask...Shay people no dey wash leg and face before Mohammed was born in 570AD Ni abi what's ur point?

So what's exactly ur point abt Ablutions....and what's this literal definition of Ablutions
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madridguy:
Everything you said is also reveal to prophet Mohammed which could also be found in the Quran.

So u want to compare how Jesus taught
Redemption to what Mohammed says
Compare Jesus love and peace teaching or to Mohammeds version?
Compare forgiveness in Christ to Mohammad eye for an eye like old testament?...bro..stoop this
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If Mohammed taught same thing.....how come Mohammed had soldiers that fought for him...And till today Muslims killed in the name of defendimg Mohammed ....Mohammed also killed....Jesus never killed, Mohammed stole by looting caravans of traveling unbelievers...Jesus never.....Mohammed Married and had sex...Jesus was pure, never married like normal human....never had sex......Oga.... don't ever make comparison btw Jesus and Mohammed who was an imposter deceived by a spirit

Namaster:
Regardless of the religion, you can NEVER be a smart and religious person.
It's NOT possible.

The greatest intellectuals are Christians but since you don't know what Christ taught them you may be confused due to atheists claiming PASTORS in the churches of Christendom!

Alhamdulillah o! I can never be a Christian. Tufiakwa! The Bible that was edited to contain Jesus's story from birth to few months, then 12 years then 30-33years!

All those years 1-11years, 13-29years are absent. That's like 90% of Jesus's lifespan is absent in the Bible.

And they claim the Bible is about Jesus!

Same hypocritical Christians will open the Qur'an and pass their judgement. When you do same on their Bible they'll claim you lack the guidance of the holy spirit.

Was the holy spirit helping you to understand our Qur'an too?

Hypocrisy galore!

Have you ever heard of Sufism?

AbuTwins:
Alhamdulillah o! I can never be a Christian. Tufiakwa! The Bible that was edited to contain Jesus's story from birth to few months, then 12 years then 30-33years!

All those years 1-11years, 13-29years are absent. That's like 90% of Jesus's lifespan is absent in the Bible.

And they claim the Bible is about Jesus!

Same hypocritical Christians will open the Qur'an and pass their judgement. When you do same on their Bible they'll claim you lack the guidance of the holy spirit.

Was the holy spirit helping you to understand our Qur'an too?

Hypocrisy galore!

Does Holy spirit exist in Quran? Was Holyspirit promised to Followers of Mohammed? No Muslim can receive the Holy Ghost except they first humble themselves to receive Christ as the son of God who came to save them from the boundage of Islam and Sin

FreeSpirited:
Does Holy spirit exist in Quran? Was Holyspirit promised to Followers of Mohammed? No Muslim can receive the Holy Ghost except they first humble themselves to receive Christ as the son of God who came to save them from the boundage of Islam and Sin

I discussed too issues in my previous post.
1. 90% of Jesus's life does not exist in the Bible!

2. Holy spirit!

You responded to the latter Holy spirit part.

Holy spirit exist in the Qur'an as Angel Gabriel.
And Allah doesn't promise such to anyone apart from the Prophets and pious ones!

We don't need Humble ourselves to any Christ. We humble ourselves to only the God of Christ just as the Prophets of the old testament do not know any Christ by name or worshipped anything trinity!

AbuTwins:
I discussed too issues in my previous post.
1. 90% of Jesus's life does not exist in the Bible!

2. Holy spirit!

You responded to the latter Holy spirit part.

Holy spirit exist in the Qur'an as Angel Gabriel.
And Allah doesn't promise such to anyone apart from the Prophets and pious ones!

We don't need Humble ourselves to any Christ. We humble ourselves to only the God of Christ just as the Prophets of the old testament do not know any Christ by name or worshipped anything trinity!

Why should Jesus life be a biography?
Was there any autobiography of any prophet in the Bible that came before Jesus? Abram appeared in the Bible at age of 75
So why do u want Jesus to have autobiography? U are just majoring on minors and frivolities....Is there any Prophet in Quran that has a complete childhood to death biography?
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Is biography the purpose of his coming......The scriptures only talk about the ministry and the works they do when their appointed time for ministry started.....Why Muhammad started ministry at age 40? Why din't he start at age 2 as u accused Christ....So what's ur point if not being disingenuous making mountain out of nothing

FreeSpirited:
Why should Jesus life be a biography?
Was there any autobiography of any prophet in the Bible that came before Jesus? Abram appeared in the Bible at age of 75
So why do u want Jesus to have autobiography? U are just majoring on minors and frivolities....Is there any Prophet in Quran that has a complete childhood to death biography?
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Is biography the purpose of his coming......The scriptures only talk about the ministry and the works they do when their appointed time for ministry started.....Why Muhammad started ministry at age 40? Why din't he start at age 2 as u accused Christ....So what's ur point if not being disingenuous making mountain out of nothing

Muhammad's biography is not in the Qur'an. The Qur'an is not a story book of Prophets. Some stories are narrated with the lessons.

You talk about Abraham, what about Moses and Joseph?

The story of Muhammad exists outside the Qur'an in the hadiths and Seerah! His dad died before he was born. His mum died when he was four. He had to live with relatives.

Of course, the editors/writers of the Bible are wise. So many things would have happened in those period mentioned that wasn't reported or recorded. It's like they had to hide those parts forever!

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AntilsIam:
Quran is not a story book of your prophets, why is the story of your Isa Narrated in quran then? You just like to be promoting taqqiya or should we say you are under the influence of ignorance

Quran na war manual and porn hub book book abi bawo

U dey mind him rubbish wey hin type

Jesus said to his disciples:

“Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:5-6

Let's analyze the highlighted:

*LOST
*SHEEP
*HOUSE
*ISRAEL

The LOST. Sincere and honest hearted people born or raised in false religions.

The SHEEP. Because they are sincere and honest hearted they are like sheep without a shepherd seeking divine guidance.

HOUSE. Such ones strongly believe that there can't be two religions doing the will of one God so they won't jump from one religion to another because they are loyal.

ISRAEL. This is the first man who cherish spiritual inheritance with all his heart {Genesis 25:33-34} so people like him are born or raised in false religions.

That is the reason why Jesus said we should continue going to such ones because they belong to the true God as faithful and loyal worshipers.

Would you like to know how to identify such ones?

FreeSpirited:
After I studied the Quran, I can't believe an intellectually honest ,morally meticulous, just and truly smart person will practice Islam. Even Christianity, I rejected it at some point just because of some practices and Laws in old testament which GAVE ME a very hard time of doubt and skeptism for more than 15 years of my life even though I was born into a very religious home....if not that I encounterd Christ by himself, and Christ teaching proved to be the most true, sublime, liberating, peaceful and love spreading teaching u can ever find in any scriptures, I may never HAVE become a true Christian again.
.
Now imagine the confusion, contradiction, superstitions, capital punishment, and terroristic sentiments promoted by Quran and Mohammed , how can a normal honest person overlook those ethical, and problematic areas of Islamic teachings or scripture and still become a Muslim? The more I studied the Quran, the more I get confused and surprised that people will ascribe Quran as being dropped from heaven to earth for humanity...it's crazy. Spiritual Deception and manipulation can never be more glaring.

My Final opinion about Islam is that it a grand spiritual deception that was was founded and masterminded by a contact with a powerful satanic angel....to deceive humanity about the truth of Jehovah the only true God and Christ the only way to the true God.
I came to this conclusion because almost all major figures found in The Bible is also seen in the Quran..same figure, but different names (language translation) but with more crazy and dramatic stories about them...Quran is a copycat of the Bible events and story interlaced with lies to deceive many away from Christ.

Oh awesome, you've read the Qur'an? — that's absolutely cool.

Islam is a ☪️ancer. Without the lies, Islam dies.