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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:21pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If someone left you does that mean you have convinced him?
Angels are spirit sons of God and God is a Spirit so they are more related to Him than any other creature!
"Left" 😂😂😂 is that how you see it🤣.
Oh my God😂😂😂.

You might as well remind yourself of what really happened and stop deceiving yourself and naive readers.

You and your pal, were so shambolic😅,
fallacious and incongruous.

No one is disputing that, I mentioned that already. What I asked was if they were of his substance?

How hard is that to answer?🤧
Certainly you are on the right track🤤.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:23pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
"Left" 😂😂😂 is that how you see it🤣.
Oh my God😂😂😂.

You might as well remind yourself of what really happened and stop deceiving yourself and naive readers.

You and your pal, were so shambolic😅,
fallacious and incongruous.

No one is disputing that, I mentioned that already. What I asked was if they were of his substance?

How hard is that to answer?🤧
Certainly you are on the right track🤤.
You love deceiving yourself a lot!

Ọmọ angels are God's Spirit Sons {Job 38:7} so they share the same nature with their father who is also a Spirit! John 4:24
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 7:25pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
I have no issue with the biblical verse but rather with your tangential interpretation made to fit your narrative.

You have in now way justified that indeed "peer" fits the angelic bill.

It could as well be said of Israel or even mankind as a whole; it could as well be metaphorical.

But as usual you jumped right in by making an "absolute statement".
Screenshot evidence of Greek metohkho @Hebrew 1:9.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fellow, partaker, partner.
From metecho; participant, i.e. (as noun) a sharer; by implication, an associate -- fellow, partaker, partner


You don't like angels as "peers" of Jesus to reference Hebrew 1:9.

"The God your God anointed you above your
Companions/fellows/partners/associates."


Oga, choose the one that suits your taste.

grin grin

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:27pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Screenshot evidence of Greek metohkho @Hebrew 1:9.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fellow, partaker, partner.
From metecho; participant, i.e. (as noun) a sharer; by implication, an associate -- fellow, partaker, partner


You don't like angels as "peers" of Jesus to reference Hebrew 1:9.

"The God your God anointed you above your
Companions/fellows/partners/associates."


Oga, choose the one that suits your taste.

grin grin
Because you left him in his delusion he thought he has won a trophy! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:28pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Screenshot evidence of Greek metohkho @Hebrew 1:9.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
fellow, partaker, partner.
From metecho; participant, i.e. (as noun) a sharer; by implication, an associate -- fellow, partaker, partner


You don't like angels as "peers" of Jesus to reference Hebrew 1:9.

"The God your God anointed you above your
Companions/fellows/partners/associates."


Oga, choose the one that suits your taste.

grin grin
Are you not a partaker of God's reward? 👀
Or are you not a joint heir?👀

That's why I said it could as well fit Spiritual Israel or the bride of God even the whole of creation could fit right in.

Hence it's vague!!!
The main theme is God raising Jesus above all.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:30pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Because you left him in his delusion he thought he has won a trophy! cheesy
Far be it from me.
I talk of our matter,our tango in the other room🤤.

Michael the conqueror 🤤.
It shows this your absolutism has not left you.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:33pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You love deceiving yourself a lot!

Ọmọ angels are God's Spirit Sons {Job 38:7} so they share the same nature with their father who is also a Spirit! John 4:24
You should know very well that with me, you have think very well before you type rubbish.

Assess the implications of your statements before positing them👀
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 7:36pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
"Left" 😂😂😂 is that how you see it🤣.
Oh my God😂😂😂.

You might as well remind yourself of what really happened and stop deceiving yourself and naive readers.

You and your pal, were so shambolic😅,
fallacious and incongruous.
grin.
Assumptions and conjectures everywhere.

You have not provided any biblical evidence for your claims.
Gabrielshow24:
No one is disputing that, I mentioned that already. What I asked was if they were of his substance?

How hard is that to answer?🤧
Certainly you are on the right track🤤.
Oga, what do you understand as "substance"?

For instance, Greek metohkho is referenced as "fellows/companions/peers" at Hebrew 1:9.
What verse and chapter in your Bible used the Greek word for "substance" to support your claim?

Abeg make you reply.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Far be it from me.
I talk of our matter,our tango in the other room🤤.
Michael the conqueror 🤤.
It shows this your absolutism has not left you.
Michael has helped God's people JWs to unite as one! John 17:22

Oya present those working with your Lord o! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 7:44pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Are you not a partaker of God's reward? 👀
Or are you not a joint heir?👀

That's why I said it could as well fit Spiritual Israel or the bride of God even the whole of creation could fit right in.

Hence it's vague!!!
The main theme is God raising Jesus above all.

Oga,Which imperfect human being was mentioned or referenced in Hebrew 1:4-14?

What is the subheading on Hebrew 1:4 to 14 in your Bible or online Bibles?
"The son superior to angels"
screenshot evidence
Oga, stick to what is written in Hebrew 1:4 to 14 nau.
grin grin

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:44pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
You should know very well that with me, you have think very well before you type rubbish. Assess the implications of your statements before positing them👀
Mouthing for nothing! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:44pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
grin.
Assumptions and conjectures everywhere.

You have not provided any biblical evidence for your claims.


Oga, what do you understand as "substance"?

For instance, Greek metohkho is referenced as "fellows/companions/peers" at Hebrew 1:9.
What verse and chapter in your Bible used the Greek word for "substance" to support your claim?

Abeg make you reply.
My claims?

I only asked a simple question.
And you have not answered me.

As regards conjectures, am sure your colleague will do so well to show you our previous discussions so that you might see what fate awaits you if you are logically incoherent.

A simple question - whether angels were of the same substance as God? - is what perturbs you both.

Consider wisely the implications of your statement.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:45pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Mouthing for nothing! cheesy
Michael the conqueror 😂😂😂
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 7:48pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Michael has helped God's people JWs to unite as one! John 17:22

Oya present those working with your Lord o! cheesy
Jesus the son of God, not Michael an angel.
You do know how I showed evidently of the plague you call doctrine.
How you and your previous colleague committed false equivocations.

You are always conflating two different things together.

It's rather burdensome🤕.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 7:56pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
My claims?

I only asked a simple question.
And you have not answered me.

As regards conjectures, am sure your colleague will do so well to show you our previous discussions so that you might see what fate awaits you if you are logically incoherent.

A simple question - whether angels were of the same substance as God? - is what perturbs you both.

Consider wisely the implications of your statement.
For clarity and understand you better,I asked several questions....



Oga, what do you understand as "substance"?
What Bible verse/chapter used the Greek word for substance to reference God?


For instance, Greek metohkho is referenced as "fellows/companions/peers" at Hebrew 1:9.
What verse and chapter in your Bible used the Greek word for "substance" to support your claim?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:58pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Michael the conqueror 😂😂😂
YES o!

Michael the spirit Prince and conqueror! Daniel 12:1; Revelations 12:7

Whose earthly followers are the most peaceful and peace loving! Matthew 10:16
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:59pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Jesus the son of God, not Michael an angel.
You do know how I showed evidently of the plague you call doctrine.
How you and your previous colleague committed false equivocations.

You are always conflating two different things together.

It's rather burdensome🤕.
Jehovah's Witnesses knows him as Michael but if you know better oya present your church that's working with Jesus! cheesy

Here is the OP:

delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument
Oya mention the name of your church nah, the OP mentioned the name of the church of the preacher whose point made him tremble! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:05pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
YES o!

Michael the spirit Prince and conqueror! Daniel 12:1; Revelations 12:7

Whose earthly followers are the most peaceful and peace loving! Matthew 10:16
Michael - lamb on Earth, lion in Heaven.🤕
Turn the cheek on Earth, throw out the devil in Heaven🤤.

Indeed !!!
😂😂😂

Also Correlation doesn't mean causation🥲.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:07pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses knows him as Michael but if you know better oya present your church that's working with Jesus! cheesy

Here is the OP:



Oya mention the name of your church nah, the OP mentioned the name of the church of the preacher whose point made him tremble! smiley
Making points that make people tremble is not an accomplishment and it depends on the person involved.

It just shows the inadequacy of the op to respond logically and expose such foolish conflations.

Balablu before entering made "compelling" agendas but fools lauded it as "powerful".

Cipolla laws clearly exemplifies this.
You can attend JW but it doesn't save you from stupidity.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:10pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Making points that make people tremble is not accomplishment and it depends on the person involve. It just shows the inadequacy of the op to respond logically and expose such foolish conflations.
It's the greatest achievement you, your pastors or your entire church can never make.
That's the difference between true Christians and mouth mouth churchgoer! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:11pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
For clarity and understand you better,I asked several questions....



Oga, what do you understand as "substance"?
What Bible verse/chapter used the Greek word for substance to reference God?


For instance, Greek metohkho is referenced as "fellows/companions/peers" at Hebrew 1:9.
What verse and chapter in your Bible used the Greek word for "substance" to support your claim?
You brought up Greek words and meanings for your previous posit, I wonder why it's hard for you to do the same for this?

Look it up and tell me, do Angels have the same substance as God?

How has this simple question not been answered by two JW giants🤕?

🤧Am waiting
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:13pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Michael - lamb on Earth, lion in Heaven.🤕
Turn the cheek on Earth, throw out the devil in Heaven🤤.

Indeed !!!
😂😂😂

Also Correlation doesn't mean causation🥲.
Prove the scriptures wrong nah! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:13pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
It's the greatest achievement you, your pastors or your entire church can never make.
That's the difference between true Christians and mouth mouth churchgoer! cheesy
Really 🥲.
It just shows how needy you are.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:13pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Prove the scriptures wrong nah! cheesy
Is God absolute?
👀
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:15pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Is God absolute?
👀
Register for free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses or stick to what your pastors told you! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 8:15pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Jesus the son of God, not Michael an angel.
You do know how I showed evidently of the plague you call doctrine.
How you and your previous colleague committed false equivocations.

You are always conflating two different things together.

It's rather burdensome🤕.
3 evidences from your fellow Trinitarians which your ghost deity refused to give you Gabrielshow24.
grin grin

*1599 Geneva Bible Daniel 12:1.
* Baptist clergy Charles Spurgeon screenshot .
*Protestant Reformers , Martin Luther & early mentors of your pastorpreneurs.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:16pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Really 🥲.
It just shows how needy you are.
Jehovah's Witnesses light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16 wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:16pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Prove the scriptures wrong nah! cheesy
Even a fool will allude to his act in scripture.
It takes wisdom to discern what is true and what is false.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:17pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16 wink
Calm down am not petty like you.
I deal with subject matter or problem statements.

I ask you and your colleague once again.
Is God absolute?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Even a fool will allude to his act in scripture. It takes wisdom to discern what is true and what is false.
There is just one difference between a mad man and sane people:

The mad man believes he is all knowing and that sane people are all mad but for him to work with anyone, no way.

Sane people work together as a team as they are convinced that they are one body.

So present the church you attend if you're not like the mad man who feels he is all knowing without a team. cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 8:21pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
3 evidences from your fellow Trinitarians which your ghost deity refused to give you Gabrielshow24.
grin grin

*1599 Geneva Bible Daniel 12:1.
* Baptist clergy Charles Spurgeon screenshot .
*Protestant Reformers , Martin Luther & early mentors of your pastorpreneurs.
Are you alluding to an article written as your absolute truth?

😂😂😂
Are you both this dumb?
So you want me to take a footnote written by some Dr. Spurgeon as a credence to your proposition.

What you commit here is "appeal to authority".

If you are familiar with cipolla's laws then you should know better🤧.
This is becoming pathetic 😂😂😂
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Calm down am not petty like you.
I deal with subject matter or problem statements. I ask you and your colleague once again. Is God absolute?
Register for free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses or stick to what your pastors told you! wink
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