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Funflipper:
How about infrastructure? China is like 500 years ahead of America. The only aspect China is lagging behind the US is their military and they are closing the gap really fast while the US is self destructing.

EXPRESSSMAN:
China is building what they need to maintain their huge population. American doesn't need that. You cannot say that the Chinese enjoys a high standard of living than the Americans that's what matters. America is greater and ahead of of China in many ways.

Great100000:
China will impose tariffs of 15 percent on imports of coal and LNG from the US in retaliation for 10 percent levies on Chinese goods.

China will impose tariffs of 15 percent on imports of coal and liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States in retaliation for Washington’s 10 percent levies on Chinese goods.

China’s Ministry of Finance also announced on Tuesday that there would be 10 percent tariffs on imports from the US of crude oil, agricultural machinery, large-displacement vehicles and pick-up trucks.

The new measures were in response to the “unilateral tariff hike” by the US, it said, adding that Washington’s decision “seriously violates World Trade Organization rules, does nothing to resolve its own problems, and disrupts normal economic and trade cooperation between China and the United States”.

Beijing’s tariffs, which come into force on February 10, were announced shortly after US President Donald Trump said he would hold a call with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, in the next 24 hours.

On Saturday, Trump announced sweeping measures against its top trade partners, including Canada and Mexico, with goods from China facing an additional 10 percent tariff on top of the duties they already endure.

Trump said the measures aimed to punish countries for failing to halt flows of undocumented migrants and drugs, including fentanyl, into the US.

However, on Monday, he suspended his threat of tariffs on Mexico and Canada, agreeing to a 30-day pause in return for concessions on border and crime enforcement with the neighbouring countries.

“China’s retaliatory tariffs are a calibrated response rather than an outright escalation,” Julien Chaisse, professor at City University of Hong Kong specialising in international economic law, said.

“The measures demonstrate Beijing’s willingness to impose economic costs on Washington while maintaining flexibility for negotiation.

“The choice of a February 10 start date appears strategic. It allows time for a possible discussion between Trump and Xi which is creating space for last-minute diplomacy before the measures take effect. If talks between the two take place in the coming days, there is room for adjustments, partial exemptions or reciprocal gestures that could prevent a further spiral in trade tensions.


“That said, much will depend on Washington’s interpretation of these measures. If the US views them as a calibrated step leaving room for negotiation, this could set the stage for discussions rather than further escalation. However, if Trump sees this as a direct challenge, his administration could respond with additional trade restrictions. This would intensify the conflict.”

During his first term in 2018, Trump initiated a brutal two-year trade war with China over its massive US trade surplus, with tit-for-tat tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars worth of goods upending global supply chains and damaging the world economy.

To end that trade war, China agreed in 2020 to spend an extra $200bn a year on US goods, but the plan was derailed by the COVID pandemic and its annual trade deficit widened to $361bn, according to Chinese customs data released last month.

Trump warned he might increase tariffs on China further unless Beijing stemmed the flow of fentanyl, a deadly opioid, into the US.

China has called fentanyl a US problem and said it would challenge the tariffs at the World Trade Organization and take other countermeasures, but also left the door open for talks.


Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2025/2/4/china-retaliates-with-tariffs-on-us-goods-after-trumps-move

Seunmuham:
Then you are the one that can't read the room properly, what's my take on who win or not?
The argument stems from if America should continue allowing American manufacturing to be inside or outside America, and I have reasons to why America should bring manufacturing back to America.

Not every likes playing second fiddle to the east or the west

maasoap:
Technology-wise, USA is lagging behind China by like 50 years now.

Golan007:
Zero.sum game for US.

Certainly for this generation.

Can you even see how its 2 closest neighbours, are presently living with distrust to the US?

You cannot go to war with every country and win.

It is not possible.

Seunmuham:
Currently china is ahead of America in overcapacity production and kill out competition .
China is ahead in governance
China is ahead in having a good supply chain.

Great100000:
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2025/2/4/china-retaliates-with-tariffs-on-us-goods-after-trumps-move

SIRTee15:
The guy is right. Even Chinese themselves agree that they are behind the west when it comes to innovation.

Their comparative advantage lies in unrivalled and unparalleled manufacturing scale and a very serious focused government.

Chinese manufacturing scale and prowess is so vast I don't think any other country can compete in another 50 years. China manufacturing value chain is almost 100% for 99% of what they produce.

The only way manufacturing can leave china is if the west or any other country develop a new way of production, like what happened during the industrial revolution when UK took over manufacturing.

The reason why U think china is technological advanced is because whatever is innovated elsewhere, once china gets hold of it, it's game over.
Trust me within few years they will replicate it and produce a cheaper if not a better version.

Look at robotics, electric cars and AI. All were innovated by the west, but right now china is leading in all 3 industry.
China is about to produce more electric cars than all other nations combined. China electric car BYD is set to be the largest car manufacturing company in the world beating even Toyota. They are growing by over 500% every year.

All those tiktok tech application videos doesn't mean innovation.
Showing videos of drones delivering fast food to homes isn't innovation. U can replicate such in Ogbomoso if the demand and resource is available.

Look at driverless cars, despite all the noise on tiktok videos about autonomous cars in china, no Chinese company has achieved any meaningful breakthrough. All they do is some experimental propaganda videos in a very controlled environment.

But let any western company start production of driverless cars, china will take over within few years.

That's their strength. Whether its a good or bad
strength, that's up for debate.

DrAda:
Why does he keep calling them when he is the aggressor? It's really strange

Bentacur007:
Trump is reversing some policies

Golan007:
No western nation has mastered driverless cars either.

Which means it is still an open race.

In the modern day, it is difficult to hide information, and China has a policy to seek and use information.

SIRTee15:
Trust me when I say china won't be the first to produce driverless cars. That breakthrough will come from the west.
U can take that to the bank.

Golan007:
That is based on no fact.

SIRTee15:
Baidu made noise about it 2 years ago.
How far?

Golan007:
That is based on no fact.

SIRTee15:
My fact remain China hasn't led in any innovation since their emergence as economic power.
None.
Their strength lies in manufacturing scale and replication

Golan007:
BYD
DeepSeek.

SIRTee15:
Pls follow my conversation and maybe learn definition of innovation.

BYD didn't innovate electric cars
Deepseek didn't innovate AI chats.

YorubaYouth:
American Technologies made China what China is today. Like if you Agree, Share if not.

Golan007:
Innovation to you is only what westerners do.

Is it not innovation when it can be done with less GPU and power?

This is not your strong suit.

SIRTee15:
See definition of innovate.

So tell us what's the new thing deepseek changed.

If your next response makes no sense, I will ignore U.

EXPRESSSMAN:
Not true. production wise, China leads but in technology, America lead by far .

Bentacur007:
Trump is reversing some policies

Xisnin:
No.
China is a copycat for now.
Just name any sector and you will find China simply copied the published success of others.
Is it semiconductor, R&, Aerospace, Software, Pharmaceuticals and AI that China leads in?
Obviously none.
Sure, it produces cheaper alternatives later after seeing working examples from elsewhere.
But that is not innovation.

Even Russia can boast of being the innovators in several fields but not China.

I understand where you are coming from, many people confuse manufacturing at scale(producing so much quantity)
with the actual innovation.

It is funny that you mention TikTok as your source.

Gerrard59:
LOL

South Korean companies are apprehensive their Chinese competitors don't out-do them. Then you say American companies move operations to South Korea? It is Vietnam and Malaysia that are winning those deals, most of which are powered by Chinese entrepreneurs. This belief that only foreigners own the large businesses in China is mendacious.

Gerrard59:
Every Asian country has China as its biggest trading partner. No one is fighting China head-on in Asia because they know the consequences. South Korea and Co have already risen, but do you expect Thailand or Malaysia to fight China? Some Chinese got kidnapped in Thailand and Chinese tourists threatened to stop visiting only for the prime minister to apologise and do social media content aimed at appeasing Chinese tourists.

China has arrived. Everyone should accept it.

iwaeda:
Elon Musk will destroy USA and run back to South Africa

maasoap:
Technology-wise, USA is lagging behind China by like 50 years now.

maasoap:
What? Perhaps, you're not up to date about technological advancement of China. China big cities are currently living in the future. Go on tiktok and other video sharing platforms and listen to American tourists going to China. There are many technological breakthroughs which China has been able to achieve but no one in USA is even dreaming of it at the moment. Push me little, I will list few of them for you