₦airaland Forum

BloomingDale:
Very good. After 12years you get your first leaving school certificate. No longer I go school, but na primary school certificate you get. Who 6years epp?

How did we arrived at this?
Years before now,we were told that - after the Primary level School -they divided the School into;
- the Junior Secondary and
- the Senior ( who will go into University) and
- those who will go to learn Technical Education.
• Where is the Technicians Or Technical Education in Nigeria Now?
It has Failed woefully - because Various Nigerian Past Govts - were playing Mouth- Policy,but Not genuinely Interested in :
- it's Funding of Education,- e.g how many States and Federal Govt - Is commited to the Universal ♾️ Educational Budget by the UNESCO's Recommended and Approved -Budgets %- on yearly basis in Nigeria? None!
But we have More Money 🤑 for Political Champaign of Politicians in Nigeria,yet We Can't Find Education! Is that the Ways is done in other Countries? NO
-Where is the Funding and the Money?
- Where is the Personnel- Experts to fully implement this?
- What about Corruption in those running it,e.g Technical Education supposed to be the game Changer in Nigeria because it should have produced Self Employed (Men and Women)-Personnel in Our Society,but it was butched and frustrated by the Past and Various Nigerian Govts- who were never Commited to Progressive Uplifting the Nigeria Youths Educationally :
,e.g Let the Fed Govt mention - which of the Developed Countries -that is or has Successfully Implemented the New Policy- and have Reduced their Youths Unemployment for Decades,in their Countries and Put Modalities- For it's Successful Implementation On the ground in Nigeria too!
Let the Big Grammar begin !

Confusion break bone. 12+4 =16, 6+3+3+4=16, 6+6+4=16.. It not about the system but the quality.

The major challenge here is the curriculum but not the system we practice. The curriculum is very broad, rigorous and knowledgeable based. The children are doing too much subjects will little application to real life situations.

Unlike the British or American system, their curriculum is narrow and application based. Imagine a child in primary school offering about 10 subjects while those in JSS are taking about 14-15 subjects.

All these reforms Tinubu is introducing, I haven't seen any major change and how they reflect on the reality of our life. Instead things are deteriorating and the common or ordinary man hadly eat two square meal a day.

Where are the funds saved from subsidy? How much has been saved? What has it been used for? The new national item he introduced, has it made Nigerians more patriot? What about devaluation of our naira? Livestock ministry? Blue economy ministry? CNG buses? I can continue counting. 2027 is around the corner, election is drawing nearer. They will still tell us give him another four years just like Buhari completed eight years and left the country in a mess.

What I expect this minister to do is to redesign our curriculum so that it aligns with international and global practices. It should be more of skill based and practical oriented.

Then, the government should invest more in education, increase the budget allocation, renovate schools, create conducive environment for learning, equip science and computer laboratories, reintroduce extra curricula activities, competition for sports such principal cup, basketball and volleyball tournament. Brain drain and system decay should not be overlooked.

Please, visit some public schools in your state; you will feel sorry for our dear nation. Some schools are like dumbing ground.

Phase two, make it more attractive and appealing in terms salary, allowances, pension, health insurance and welfare packages for teachers and administrators. Some states are owning teachers for almost a year.

Phase three, eradicate examination malpractices and introduce camera and surveillance in exam halls. I have more to say but let me keep cool for now.

This is the standard practice. From grade one or basic one to grade 12 or basic 12. There won't be anything like first school leaving certificate and waec. INEC may have to update the minimum educational requirements of some elective positions to basic 12, which is equivalent to WAEC.

commoditiesnig:
Very good. Exactly applicable overseas

Gbam! Grade 1 - 12


PS: I witnessed this very type of Grade 1-12 system when i worked in an European country as an English teacher.. I tell you its truly a brilliant system, allows students to fully develop academically and hands-on skills.

I was greatly impressed.

How does it differ from what we have now. You people sef

Ofemannnu:
mj
https://guardian.ng/features/education/fg-scraps-jss-sss-introduces-12-year-basic-education-model/

A thirteen (13) year old boy in Ghana (with 5As and 3Bs in WAEC) has just got admission to study Physics Engineering at the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology (KNUST).
In Nigeria, the govt is saying that a child must be 16 years before gaining admission to university.

The boy in Ghana would have graduated before his counterpart in Nigeria is allowed to go to university.
This is how your country can make or mar your progress in life.

Focusmind:
This is the standard practice. From grade one or basic one to grade 12 or basic 12. There won't be anything like first school leaving certificate and waec. INEC may have to update the minimum educational requirements of some elective positions to basic 12, which is equivalent to WAEC.

Countries that practice 1-12 have certificates in between.
It's still the same at the end

Focusmind:
This is the standard practice. From grade one or basic one to grade 12 or basic 12. There won't be anything like first school leaving certificate and waec. INEC may have to update the minimum educational requirements of some elective positions to basic 12, which is equivalent to WAEC.

How dare you people?

mikeapollo:
A thirteen (13) year old boy in Ghana (with 5As and 3Bs in WAEC) has just got admission to study Physics Engineering at the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology (KNUST).
In Nigeria, the govt is saying that a child must be 16 years before gaining admission to university.

The boy in Ghana would have graduated before his counterpart in Nigeria is allowed to go to university.
This is how your country can make or mar your progress in life.

Tell them o( the Govt -)so we can see 🙈 well,well!, before we Start at All!
-Who Did They Consult - from the Various Tertiary Institutions?
-Was there any Consultations - and Deliberations - by Experts?
-Did the govt Brought In Experts, from Other Counties Abroad to be Involved in it's Grassroots -Policy Design and Full Implementation?
• Which Developed Countries - Are We Copying Now- let's name them, invites them to Nigeria and see to it's Success!
Would it Drastically Reduced Unemployment of Our Youths?
Would it Makes them becomes Self-Employed Labours,in their Future Professions?
How many Workers would those that will be graduates Employees be here?
Many things are lacking explanation here!

Paper tigers are at it again!

Its implementation is the challenge not the new programme.

Tulumbu government is the most useless walai

nlfpmod:
The Minister of Education, Dr Tunji Alausa's kids are all living abroad o. Let them continue.

You can send Ur children there too

commoditiesnig:
Very good. Exactly applicable overseas

Gbam! Grade 1 - 12


PS: I witnessed this very type of Grade 1-12 system when i worked in an European country as an English teacher.. I tell you its truly a brilliant system, allows students to fully develop academically and hands-on skills.

I was greatly impressed.

So.what is the difference exactly or is it still not 6+3+3 = 12?
Do you think the content of curriculum will be different?

musicwriter:
Malaysia has already done all this.

What you're doing is merely reshuffling classes, which doesn't change anything.

After trying everything to no avail, Malaysia then realized that the problem wasn't class structure but that their native Malay language must be used for knowledge acquisition.

Once they returned to learning in their native language, the problem was solved.

Just learn from Malaysia. Go and read up a little about education in Malaysia

I agree with you u til language part.

Which language should be used in say a federal school?
Even in a state school in Edo or Delta state, different languages are spoken?
How to solve that?

zero8zero:
When a child is enrolled under 6-3-3-4, he can stop his education either at the end of 6, or 6+3, or 6+3+3 or 6+3+3+4. Government aims to eliminate a child getting a 6yrs or a 6+3years Education which is worthless in today's standards. A compulsory 12years makes every child more valuable, then an additional 4years (if he so wishes).

Yea, you are right, that's my thinking too except there is a different meaning to what is being proposed.
With the 12-4system, some irrelevant subjects will be dropped, parents won't need to start seeking for fund to write common entrance and junior WAEC that they can use to seek for any employment opportunities, schools will improve their standard to cover for the 12yrs cycle, overhead costs for schools will be reduced as they don't need separate accreditation for their primary and secondary schools, etc

Reinventing the wheels is plainly stupid! Where's the public engagement?

6-3-3-4 is better structured. This new idea should be jettisoned, anon! There are vocation schools already.

Straight 12 years & no certain breaks in between for choices to be made, etc, isn't better.

Everyone must not be compelled to spend 12 straight years. Why change what has been tested, which produced great results!

LOL

This mister is introducing the chicago pattern of education, this pattern ensures some time is made for crack in the street

That means all Primary 6 Certificates and JSCE Certificates are hereby declared invalid and null and void.

Richie6:
The major challenge here is the curriculum but not the system we practice. The curriculum is very broad, rigorous and knowledgeable based. The children are doing too much subjects will little application to real life situations.

Unlike the British or American system, their curriculum is narrow and application based. Imagine a child in primary school offering about 10 subjects while those in JSS are taking about 14-15 subjects.

All these reforms Tinubu is introducing, I haven't seen any major change and how they reflect on the reality of our life. Instead things are deteriorating and the common or ordinary man hadly eat two square meal a day.

Where are the funds saved from subsidy? How much has been saved? What has it been used for? The new national item he introduced, has it made Nigerians more patriot? What about devaluation of our naira? Livestock ministry? Blue economy ministry? CNG buses? I can continue counting. 2027 is around the corner, election is drawing nearer. They will still tell us give him another four years just like Buhari completed eight years and left the country in a mess.

What I expect this minister to do is to redesign our curriculum so that it aligns with international and global practices. It should be more of skill based and practical oriented.

Then, the government should invest more in education, increase the budget allocation, renovate schools, create conducive environment for learning, equip science and computer laboratories, reintroduce extra curricula activities, competition for sports such principal cup, basketball and volleyball tournament. Brain drain and system decay should not be overlooked.

Please, visit some public schools in your state; you will feel sorry for our dear nation. Some schools are like dumbing ground.

Phase two, make it more attractive and appealing in terms salary, allowances, pension, health insurance and welfare packages for teachers and administrators. Some states are owning teachers for almost a year.

Phase three, eradicate examination malpractices and introduce camera and surveillance in exam halls. I have more to say but let me keep cool for now.

You are right about the broad subject base, throughout my days in school, I never did more than 11subjects at any level, my dad will even tell me to go to school with only the subjects I'm having for the day, so no excessive loads in my bag, and I close early 2pm in a private school.
Fast forward to few years later, one of my siblings was having about 16subjects in a class, I yelled the day I saw it.
I think this system should be made to address such, as subject must be in progression, so a pupil shouldn't do verbal reasoning at basic1 to 4, then you ditch it for a different unrelated subject in basic 5.
Another issue I think should be factored in is the issue of textbooks, schools should be made to give out list of books, let schools use textbooks from open market so students can have shared knowledge.
Then, I can easily hopped into the house of my next door neighbour to solve a maths problem as there is likelihood of using similar texts, despite attending different schools.
Schools should focus on impacting knowledge, rather than selling commodity like books, socks, Lunchbox, etc.
My son's school, seeing the administrators in the morning is a tug of war, they are always not available, attending to parents buying this or that, there was even an instance they gave my son a photocopied text, I had to return it as it was too dark for his sight, the replacement wasn't better off

D00msDay:
Our education system should give compulsory room for vocational training, tech skills etc. The world is changing and our educational system should be adjusted to fit into the new world. Let's do away wit our archaic and precolonial system of education.

The future is tech. AI is taking over. Acquiring a tech skills should be a must in our educational system.

Years back I had to talk some sense into my young bro who wanted to study mechanical engineering " the same course I graduated wit but nothing to show for it and I had to switch profession". I told him to go for software engineering or cyber security. After all the argument he took my advice and now a graduate of computer engineering from FUTMINNA and his his doing so well for himself and the family.

After chopping books like Engineering Drawing with Worked Examples, by F. Pickup and M.A. Parker, and graduating wit a 2.1, I still ended up changing profession.

I don't really share your view, there is nothing wrong with Mechanical Engineering, if you are a graduate of any engineering course, you can be as good as any graduate of Physics, Mathematics, and even Computer Science or Engineering. It is just a matter of picking up some relevant books and read. The course itself has taught you that. It is only because Nigeria is a funny country that makes gold looks like Aluminum. I know few friends that finished as you did that now banker's and accountant's, they in banks and auditing firms, even KPMG! My point is as an engineer, you can always maneuver your way out of any adverse economy. You are wired for that. I would still have preferred your brother to have studied Mechanical Engineering, then switch to computer whatever. I hold an M.Sc in the same course during the inglorious days of IBB. I don't regret it. My wife suggested to my son to read Computer Science, I refused, it is still better to be an engineer, whichever field, then computer training can follow. As an engineer, you are taught to reason better and dabble to any field.
You create machines for every profession, even medical field relies on your skill to perform.

Cheers, great colleague.

The devil came for just three purposes, to kill ill, steal and destroy.

SmartyPants:
This is actually an adaptation of the American system. Nothing wrong with it.

Why always copying foreign systems? He missed an opportunity for true reform by educating students in native languages with English as a compulsory side subject

Hmmm

commoditiesnig:
Very good. Exactly applicable overseas

Gbam! Grade 1 - 12


PS: I witnessed this very type of Grade 1-12 system when i worked in an European country as an English teacher.. I tell you its truly a brilliant system, allows students to fully develop academically and hands-on skills.

I was greatly impressed.

Are you still working in that European country?

Do you not know that educational models are structured in a way that it suits the country and her needs thereby adding value to the economy !!!!

Do you think this model is well suited to the needs of Nigeria given the kind of leaders we get?

Those who make this models in this country with their outdated models which is of no use to modern day theories and ideals still ask the FG to extend their age of retirement to 70 years......

Nigeria/Nigerians and copy copy

God forbid


The other time na cheerleaders I Dey see for one school in Edo state. Nna ehn

BloomingDale:
Very good. After 12years you get your first leaving school certificate. No longer I go school, but na primary school certificate you get. Who 6years epp?

Nigeria is confusionist and inconsistent in policy making and implementation
What happened to 6-3-3-4 system of education


Nawaooo

But it's still the dame na

KINGsXchange:
The Fxck is this…
And somebody who is sickhead below me will say “Good development”

How old are you,young fool?

If you were around before the 6-3-3-4 system,you would have understood how it "killed" progressive Education and COGNITION in this nation..

6-3--3-4 system is one of the major drawbacks of pristine and well tailored Education and why "Juveniles" like you are VACOUS!

IamANigerianMan:
We the children of the rich , it will not affect us, whenever our fathers make any policy is for our own benefit not everyone.

Children of the rich don't speak like this .

PEASANT!

pankali:
The devil came for just three purposes, to kill ill, steal and destroy.

The actual verse does not state that it is the devil but scammers— men .