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When Moses and Elijah appeared before Jesus, the first thing they should have done if Jesus was the God of the old testament was to bow and worship Jesus as God but they didn't, infact they stood and spoke to Jesus like one would speak to a fellow. Now you may well say the disciples may have been asleep, now only Luke who records such obviously showed they were awake when Moses and Elijah appeared but slept off, and that's why there's no record of what the three were discussing.

The record of the transfiguration is such an important encounter that it verifies who Christ the son of the living God is. So, Let's read the account

Mark.9.1 And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."

This is understandable because Jesus said in John 3:3 it's those who are born again that see the kingdom of God. These ones are able to properly identify Jesus not just as a teacher but see him as Christ the King, or the anointed king from God and that is the purpose of those signs. So the revelation of who Jesus is, is for all who are born again and not just Peter, James and John.

Mark.9.2-5

Six days later Jesus took Peter, James, and John to the top of a mountain. No one else was there. As the men watched, Jesus' appearance changed, and his clothing became dazzling white, far whiter than any earthly process could ever make it.
Then Elijah and Moses appeared and began talking with Jesus. "Teacher, this is wonderful!" Peter exclaimed. "We will make three shrines--one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

Ever wondered why Peter said to make three shrines or three tabernacles which represent three places for worship, as all three looked outworldly, possibly all shinning brightly, Now he spoke out of fear, because he didn't know what to make of what he was seeing but God who spoke from above helped clarify the vision before them..
let's look at another account before I continue?

In Luke 9, this occurs after Jesus asked the disciples, "who do people say I am?", and so from verse 18, we see that others in those days thought Jesus was John the Baptist or Elijah or some other prophet who had returned but then Jesus asked the disciples who had followed him and Peter said, you are the Christ from God. After which Jesus speaks to them about what he must go through as the Christ and the cost of following him as a disciple. Now while Luke writes 8days, the content doesn't change much

Luke.9.29 - 36
And as he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothing became dazzling white. Then two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared and began talking with Jesus.

They were glorious to see. And they were speaking of how he was about to fulfill God's plan by dying in Jerusalem. Peter and the others were very drowsy and had fallen asleep. Now they woke up and saw Jesus' glory and the two men standing with him. As Moses and Elijah were starting to leave, Peter, not even knowing what he was saying, blurted out, "Master, this is wonderful! We will make three shrines--one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
But even as he was saying this, a cloud came over them; and terror gripped them as it covered them.
Then a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, my Chosen One. Listen to him." When the voice faded away, Jesus was there alone. They didn't tell anyone what they had seen until long after this happened.


Same was recorded in Mark.9.7 Then a cloud came over them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him."

So in Luke we have Jesus had been praying and his face also shines and the only details they heard before they fell asleep was about the death of Jesus. And it was when they were about to leave that Peter waking up said in amazement, that they should make tents for them and the fear they felt was due to God's presence in the cloud that covered them. The more accounts we read the more we understand what probably happened and much more understand the message from it.

Which is listen to Jesus, not worship Jesus as a god but listen to him, because he is the one God loves and has chosen.

And what of in Matthew, we read more from chapter 17.5 - 13 about what happens after God's voice was heard

But even as he said it, a bright cloud came over them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him. Listen to him."

The disciples were terrified and fell face down on the ground. Jesus came over and touched them. "Get up," he said, "don't be afraid." And when they looked, they saw only Jesus with them.

As they descended the mountain, Jesus commanded them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen until I, the Son of Man, have been raised from the dead."

His disciples asked, "Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?" Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to set everything in order. But I tell you, he has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and he was badly mistreated. And soon the Son of Man will also suffer at their hands."Then the disciples realized he had been speaking of John the Baptist.

So they were still afraid after the voice left, till Jesus touched them and the reason others didn't knkw of this until after the resurrection was because of the instruction from Jesus. And in Matthew we see one very important revelation here because of a question they asked Jesus has they descended.

Why is Jesus being the son of God a revelation well, Jesus wasn't obviously calling himself the son of God but referred to himself as the son of man, almost as if the term son of God was a title left until after his resurrection where God glorifies him as His son.

Anyway that's not the question, the question is, "Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"

And Jesus answer and their understanding pointed to John the Baptist. This is important because they had just seen Elijah appear and stand beside Jesus, by the way John the Baptist was already dead, so Jesus couldn't be either John TB nor Elijah like others said. This further provided proof that Jesus is the Messiah.

I can understand why some didn't believe John to be Elijah who was to come, well John didn't do any miracles unlike Elijah but there was one important thing Elijah did that John also did and that is who replaces them.

The teaching that Elijah proceeds the Messiah can only be understood that Elijah is used by God to anoint the one who is the Messiah.

I want us to consider that both Moses and Elijah who are seen as two of the greatest prophets in Israel both appoint a successor, as there is no other prophet recorded to have done so, infact if we are consider that Samuel anointed David as leader, you can even understand the association of Christ to the throne of David. David means beloved a term God called Jesus twice recorded in the gospels.


And when looking at the successors of Moses and Elijah, we have Joshua and Elisha. Joshua an identical name of Jesus, which was given by Moses who prophecied about the coming Messiah, a name meaning Jehovah is salvation and the Elisha, which means my God is salvation. Both reference to God, the Elohim, who is Jehovah as man's salvation.

It is worth studying the bible record of those two men, Joshua and Elisha. Elisha was not the promised prophet spoken of Moses even though no other prophet did miracles like he did. Infact apart from Isaiah God used to a time related miracle like Joshua did, not sure any other prophet did much miracles, their primary job was to speak what God said to his people.

Speaking of Isaiah, his name means salvation of Jehovah or Jehovah saves. The volume of his writing that is Messiah related is very high compared to others.

And so a prophet greater than all of them, greater than Abraham as well, baptized Jesus to fulfill scriptures and reveal once and for all the one true Christ, Jesus of Nazareth.

What is your point oga?

Zaheertyler:
What is your point oga?

what did you understand?

gohf:
what did you understand?

Nothing
that is why I’m asking you

Oga evangelist
I am waiting for you to explain how everything you wrote up there advances the body of Christ
Or you want to join kobojunkie?

Zaheertyler:
Nothing
that is why I’m asking you

is there a part you don't understand or you don't understand anything? 🤦
How are you supposed to be answered if you don't have a question and you don't understand anything at all? 🤷

Zaheertyler:
Oga evangelist
I am waiting for you to explain how everything you wrote up there advances the body of Christ
Or you want to join kobojunkie?

does the revelation of Jesus Christ not advance the body of Christ?

Zaheertyler:
Oga evangelist I am waiting for you to explain how everything you wrote up there advances the body of Christ Or you want to join ....?

His brand of religious gobbledegook happens to be acceptable to Christanity, a brand which boasts of over 45,000 different denominations — conflicting ideas regarding the same deity— the religion, of which you are a member, boasts its worships. If what you follow scares you, then the problem lies with you.

Kobojunkie:
His brand of religious gobbledegook happens to be acceptable to Christanity, a brand which boasts of over 45,000 different denominations — conflicting ideas regarding the same deity— the religion, of which you are a member, boasts its worships. If what you follow scares you, then the problem lies with you.

It is my way of life
I really don’t care about denominations
I’m not scared of anything lol
The promise God gave to Abraham
And that which Jesus gave to his disciples before ascending
That promise or gift is very much available and real and has been since the day of Pentecost
You should go and search for that gift so it can start to produce life in you
This has nothing to do with church or if you attend 45000 denominations every Sunday or you are the number one church goer it’s not a criteria
You think God almighty that orchestrated all of it is a mere man like me and you?
It’s a thing of the heart
Well I’m not here to shalaye much
Have a blessed day
Ogba 😂😂😂

Zaheertyler:
➜It is my way of life I really don’t care about denominations I’m not scared of anything lol
The promise God gave to Abraham
And that which Jesus gave to his disciples before ascending
That promise or gift is very much available and real and has been since the day of Pentecost
You should go and search for that gift so it can start to produce life in you
This has nothing to do with church or if you attend 45000 denominations every Sunday or you are the number one church goer it’s not a criteria
You think God almighty that orchestrated all of it is a mere man like me and you?
It’s a thing of the heart
Well I’m not here to shalaye much
Have a blessed day
Ogba 😂😂😂

Storyland! So, as long as you make Christianity your lot, you are part of at least one of its many denominations. No long stories are necessary to understand this simple fact!

Kobojunkie:
Storyland! So, as long as you make Christianity your lot, you are part of at least one of its many denominations. No long stories are necessary to understand this simple fact!

Guess the topic for today 😛

Zaheertyler:
➜Guess the topic for today 😛

Storyland! Na so dem dey take cook una brain well well so tay una no fit reason again outside of all that gobbledegook you have been fed by your scammers-in-the-lords, all this while they continue to bask in the glory that is your hard-earned wealth and blood. Continue on slaves of men!

Kobojunkie:
Storyland! Na so dem dey take cook una brain well well so tay una no fit reason again outside of all that gobbledegook you have been fed by your scammers-in-the-lords, all this while they continue to bask in the glory that is your hard-earned wealth and blood. Continue on slaves of men!

..

Zaheertyler:
➜I was the teacher 😒 I have written topics on Christianity,human rights, democratic processes and drug abuse
➜Do you have any ideas on how I can monetize them. Someone was suggesting YouTube but idk still researching. Can you help out?

OMGosh! This is even worse than I thought!

2. I, give you ideas on how to monetize more of the same lies that have broken down brains and futures? No thanks!

Kobojunkie:
OMGosh! This is even worse than I thought!

2. I, give you ideas on how to monetize more of the same lies that have broken down brains and futures? No thanks!

Be useful for once 😒😒

Zaheertyler:
➜Be useful for once 😒😒

You mean like you are useful to feeding your scammers-in-the-lords and their empires/kingdoms of lies here on earth? No thanks!

Kobojunkie:
You mean like you are useful to feeding your scammers-in-the-lords and their empires/kingdoms of lies here on earth? No thanks!

What do you mean by empire kingdom of lies?
That aside
You are useless oo
I hope you know

Zaheertyler:
➜What do you mean by empire kingdom of lies? That asideYou are useless oo. I hope you know

You haven't realized that religion is basically a scheme/a pyramid scheme that essentially has you funding the building of empires/kingdoms here on earth that belong to your scammers-in-the-lords who live at the top of you?

I am under no obligation to you.

Kobojunkie:
You haven't realized that religion is basically a scheme/a pyramid scheme that essentially has you funding the building of empires/kingdoms here on earth that belong to your scammers-in-the-lords who live at the top of you?

I am under no obligation to you.

Wow that’s another view
Tell me more about this pyramid
I’m interested
Or you are not under any obligation to tell me that one too?
Ogba

Zaheertyler:
➜Wow that’s another view Tell me more about this pyramid
I’m interested Or you are not under any obligation to tell me that one too? Ogba

Another view? Pyramid schemes have been with men for thousands of years. They rarely vary from the next so you simply need to go do your research on Google to see what others already see and know of religion.

Kobojunkie:
Another view? Pyramid schemes have been with men for thousands of years. They rarely vary from the next so you simply need to go do your research on Google to see what others already see and know of religion.

Story land
Same way a spectator watching football thinks it’s 1+2=3
Abeg rest

Zaheertyler:
➜Story land. Same way a spectator watching football thinks it’s 1+2=3 Abeg rest

Revealing it to be part and parcel of the same meaningless world we all live in. Do you still not see that Religion is nothing but a scam revved up against you?

Kobojunkie:
Revealing it to be part and parcel of the same meaningless world we all live in. Do you still not see that Religion is nothing but a scam revved up against you?

That’s your business
For me Christianity is a way of life not a religion
It can fit in as one it stands out

You dun tire?
Shebi you like to argue lol
Kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:
Storyland! So, as long as you make Christianity your lot, you are part of at least one of its many denominations. No long stories are necessary to understand this simple fact!

dum dum junkie, if one does not attend or follow a denomination,
how is he part of a denomination:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion,

johnw47:
➜dum dum junkie, if one does not attend or follow a denomination,
how is he a part of a denomination:
➜1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion,

Which kain yeye question be this one abeg? You are told that so long as you are part of the religion of Christianity, you belong to at least one of its over 45,000 different denominations, each spotting a different image of the Christian deity, yet this is the question you think to come back at me with? 😏

The Christian deity is responsible for producing well over 45,000 different confusions — images of itself that contradict themselves. Definitely, the Christian deity is not the same deity that the writer of the text you quoted referenced, no matter how much you wish for him to be.😏

Kobojunkie:
Which kain yeye question be this one abeg? You are told that so long as you are part of the religion of Christianity, you belong to at least one of its over 45,000 different denominations, each spotting a different image of the Christian deity, yet this is the question you think to come back at me with? 😏
The Christian deity is responsible for producing well over 45,000 different confusions — images of itself that contradict themselves. Definitely, the Christian deity is not the same deity that the writer of the text you quoted referenced, no matter how much you wish for him to be.😏

truly confused dum dum junkie, if someone does not attend or follow a denomination,
then that someone is not part of a denomination, u so dum, aren't you:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion,

May your eyes be opened to see the glory of Christ Jesus, the son of God