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Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 6:50pm On Feb 14, 2025*

GothamCities:
Compare the passages above with these below where God Himself was speaking.

Isaiah 40:10
See, the Sovereign Lord comes with power, and he rules with a mighty arm. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him.

Jabisky, His recompense accompany Him as He comes with the clouds as the Son of man.

Isaiah 44:6
This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, [b]the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Compare the above to the Words of Jesus in the verses of Revelation I shared prior.

May your eyes be opened in Jesus name. Your deceivers shall be mightily judged and brought to justice.

Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? [b]I, the Lord—with the first of them and with the last—I am He.

Just relax yourself, take a deep breath and read without bias and without loyalty to any organization. Read for truth and not for criticism. No one is fighting you. We're just enlightening one another in the scriptures. I'm not your enemy.

You are not my enemy, Agreed!
But you don't want to listen to the holy scriptures.

Whatever you read in Revelation chapter 1 was given to Jesus Christ.

Jesus is NOT the Author of the messages revealed.
Read Matthew 12:15-20 where Jesus copied Isaiah's prophecy.

Let this fact sink into your heart & get you freed from Trinity delusion.
grin

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Gabrielshow24: 7:41pm On Feb 14, 2025

Janosky:
Did your Bible (Psalms 103:20 ) and Biblehub restrict "angel" to a set of beings?
Oga, you are not wise.

Psalms 103:20
"Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!"

Source: Biblehub Greek lexicon entry on aggelos
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H4397 (מַלְאָךְ, mal'ak): Often translated as "angel" or "messenger," used in the Old Testament to describe both divine and human messengers.

Usage: In the New Testament, "aggelos" primarily refers to a supernatural being sent by God to deliver messages, execute His will, or provide guidance and protection to humans.

According to the Greek lexicon meaning of aggelos (angel).
Oga,is Jesus Christ a supernatural being sent by Yahweh his Father/God to deliver messages @ John 7:16?

Oga,Please Allow your brain to function
OR
wallow in your blissful delusion.

If you had been paying attention from the beginning, the term "angel" is rather vague as it can fit both divine and mundane!

But simple biblical wisdom seem to suggest that there is a set of supernatural beings in heaven - the ones properly and universally termed angels. The bible even gave categories to them - your initial statement is just a fallacious conflation of the meaning of the word "angel".

And you and I both know what you plan to attain - by concluding that Jesus is Michael.

But you hide under the generic meaning of the word!

Like I said we all know he is a messenger.
I even pointed out, you and I are messengers.

Now my main question.

Is he only a messenger because he is sent of God or he is a messenger because he also belongs to a set of supernatural beings perhaps cherubims or seraphim or some even unknown-ims?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:27pm On Feb 14, 2025

sonmvayina:
are you a dummy?

man is the rapist
man is the one who commits the crimes

what is man?

man is Gods spirit living within a physical body made from dust.

where did i say God is a rapist. it is you Christians that even hold that idea. with your rape of Mary by god to sire a son.

So if man is God's spirit, is it not God's spirit that is raping?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 9:15pm On Feb 14, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
If you had been paying attention from the beginning, the term "angel" is rather vague as it can fit both divine and mundane!

But simple biblical wisdom seem to suggest that there is a set of supernatural beings in heaven - the ones properly and universally termed angels. The bible even gave categories to them - your initial statement is just a fallacious conflation of the meaning of the word "angel".

Oga,You don't want to agree with Psalms 103:20.
I have questions for you...
First question......
Oga,Use your Bible,
can you name the set of supernatural beings in heaven not performing Yahweh's word, or Obeying the voice of His word?"
2nd question:
Oga, Who is the ONLY being in heaven not performing Yahweh's word, or Obeying the voice of His word?"
3rd question:
Oga,is the God Yahweh a messenger/angel?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Gabrielshow24: 9:27pm On Feb 14, 2025

Janosky:

Oga,You don't want to agree with Psalms 103:20.
I have questions for you...
First question......
Oga,Use your Bible,
can you name the set of supernatural beings in heaven not performing Yahweh's word, or Obeying the voice of His word?"
2nd question:
Oga, Who is the ONLY being in heaven not performing Yahweh's word, or Obeying the voice of His word?"
3rd question:
Oga,is the God Yahweh a messenger/angel?

.
1), 2)
Where's Satan if I may ask?
Or before his fall where did he dwell?

Also you haven't answered my question 🤕.

This your diversion tactics won't help you🧐.
Lastly, God is not angel, although he sends his "WORD"

Now the question on ground is,
Is God's word, although being sent of the Father, the same as the other beings present in Heaven?

This simple question is what you have failed to answer because of your preconceived narrative of equating Jesus to Michael 🙄.

I have not asked for generics but instead identity.

Now duly provide an answer and stop deceiving naive readers with your false equivocations that lead to fallacious conclusions!

Once again stop evading and avoiding the said question!

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 9:38pm On Feb 14, 2025

Truthseeker10:
So if man is God's spirit, is it not God's spirit that is raping?

No...man. God spirit is pure.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 9:43pm On Feb 14, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
And you and I both know what you plan to attain - by concluding that Jesus is Michael.

Jesus the Word is the Commander of Yahweh's Army, (Joshua 5:13-14. Revelation 19:13-14 ), the promised seed of Genesis 3:15 Archangel Michael defeated the serpent Satan the devil, Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8.
Biblical fact confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.

E choke.

Gabrielshow24:
But you hide under the generic meaning of the word!

Like I said we all know he is a messenger.
I even pointed out, you and I are messengers.

Is Yahweh a messenger/angel?

Psalms 103:20, a being "performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice" is what?

Who's voice did Jesus obey at Psalms 110:1 in heaven in agreement with Psalms 103:20?
Oga, You don't want your Bible to reach your heart because of the man made invention of Nicene.

Gabrielshow24:
Now my main question.

Is he only a messenger because he is sent of God or he is a messenger because he also belongs to a set of supernatural beings perhaps cherubims or seraphim or some even unknown-ims?

According to Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1,Did Jesus belong to the set of supernatural beings performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice?
Oga, use your brain nau.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:22pm On Feb 14, 2025

Janosky:
You are not my enemy, Agreed!
But you don't want to listen to the holy scriptures.

Whatever you read in Revelation chapter 1 was given to Jesus Christ.

Jesus is NOT the Author of the messages revealed.
Read Matthew 12:15-20 where Jesus copied Isaiah's prophecy.

Let this fact sink into your heart & get you freed from Trinity delusion.

I pity you dear.

Jesus directly said that He is coming soon and that He's the Almighty. You ignore that?

And no, Jesus was the one who give John the messages of Revelation direction. He even appeared among burning candlesticks, and John described His appearance.

I pity you o. God gave Himself to us but you're saying God gave us angels when the scriptures never said so. If Jesus was an angel, it will be very clear from scriptures. Jesus is the express image of the Father according to Hebrews 1:3. Go and think about that

So, an angel is your begging and the ending. And angel is the one who is, who was and who is to come, the Almighty?

Or you're saying God is the One who is, who was and who is to come? Tell us how this fits into the description of God

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:25pm On Feb 14, 2025*

Janosky:

Read Revelation 1:1 until it sinks into your brain.

If you give Janosky letter addressed to your employees.
When janosky reads Paragraph 8 to your employees:
" He is coming, says ....'the LORD God, the Almighty."

Will your employees agree that janosky is the LORD God Almighty?
Revelation 1:5-8 refers to the God Almighty who gave Jesus the message of Revelation.

Please,Abeg dey use your brain nau.

So, according to you, God the Father is the One coming? He is the One coming with clouds? Is this the nonsense in your brain you're asking me to allow sink into mine? God the Father is the coming who is coming? Even when the book of Revelation ends with the words "...even so come, Lord Jesus."

So, God the Father was the One who WAS? Tell me exactly at what time God the Father ceased to exist for Him to have become the One who WAS. I pity your soul.

I pity you most because in spite of your nasty errors, you still have a very bad mouth. You obviously don't know God

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John",

Can you see the fault in your analogy? God gave Jesus the Revelation, Jesus sent an angel to deliver it to John.

Take a closer look dear. Take away your JW biases and look at this scripture with pure eyes:
Here is the passage:

Revelation 1:7-8
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.

Then, the One who is coming spoke:

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

God the Father is. God the Father never was. It was Jesus who WAS when He died on Calvary. He even said "a little while you shall see me no more."

Jesus is the One coming with clouds. He was the One who ascended with the clouds and will return in like manner according to Acts 1.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 10:28pm On Feb 14, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
.
1), 2)
Where's Satan if I may ask?
Or before his fall where did he dwell?

Before Satan's fall,he was obedient in heaven just as
Jesus too.
But Jesus was always forever obedient..

Gabrielshow24:
Also you haven't answered my question 🤕.

This your diversion tactics won't help you🧐.

I have answered your question.
According to your own Bible Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2, is Jesus in the set of supernatural beings performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice?
Yes, definitely!

Psalms 103:20 & Psalm 110:1-2, did Jesus obey Yahweh's voice "sit at my right hand?".
Jesus performed that command of Yahweh !
Oga, you choose to deceive yourself by leaving out Jesus from Psalm 110:1-2 & Psalms 103:20.

Gabrielshow24:
.
Lastly, God is not angel, although he sends his "WORD" .

Please stick to the scriptures
Yahweh's word proceeds from his mouth,@ Isaiah 55:8-11 & Psalms 103:20.
Isaiah 55:8-11, Yahweh's word is obeyed & performed by Yahweh's angels (Jesus,seraphs and cherubs etc).
"The Word" Jesus is a spirit being obeying and performing Yahweh's word, @Psalms 110:1-2 & on earth @John 14:24.

Gabrielshow24:
.
Now the question on ground is,
Is God's word, although being sent of the Father, the same as the other beings present in Heaven?

Yes, other beings are his fellows, companions, Hebrew 1:9.
Every being in your house are your companions.
But your position in your house is the difference.
Likewise heavenly realm, Jesus inherited a name (glory &honor) superior to his fellows, companions.

Gabrielshow24:
This simple question is what you have failed to answer because of your preconceived narrative of equating Jesus to Michael 🙄.

I have not asked for generics but instead identity.

Now duly provide an answer and stop deceiving naive readers with your false equivocations that lead to fallacious conclusions!

Once again stop evading and avoiding the said question!

Oga, REMOVE Psalms 103:20 & Psalm 110:1-2 from your Bible so you can have peace to enjoy your delusion

Jesus is 2nd Lord @ Psalms 110:1-2 performing Yahweh's command.
Jesus is an angel @ Psalm 103:20 obeying Yahweh's voice.
Your Trinity worshipping devotees have written extensive commentaries on Joshua 5:13-14.
Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 11:01pm On Feb 14, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
If you had been paying attention from the beginning, the term "angel" is rather vague as it can fit both divine and mundane!

But simple biblical wisdom seem to suggest that there is a set of supernatural beings in heaven - the ones properly and universally termed angels. The bible even gave categories to them - your initial statement is just a fallacious conflation of the meaning of the word "angel".

And you and I both know what you plan to attain - by concluding that Jesus is Michael.

But you hide under the generic meaning of the word!

Like I said we all know he is a messenger.
I even pointed out, you and I are messengers.

Now my main question.

Is he only a messenger because he is sent of God or he is a messenger because he also belongs to a set of supernatural beings perhaps cherubims or seraphim or some even unknown-ims?

You are desperate to make your personal assumptions supercede the holy scriptures.

Oga,Please reframe your statement thus:
"Man made wisdom seems to suggest that there is a set of supernatural beings in heaven - the ones properly and universally termed angels. "

Did Psalms 103:20 specify a definite set of supernatural beings at Psalms 103:20?

Your fellow Trinitarians Biblehub says no !!

Source: Biblehub Greek lexicon entry on aggelos
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H4397 (מַלְאָךְ, mal'ak): Often translated as "angel" or "messenger," used in the Old Testament to describe both divine and human messengers.

Usage: In the New Testament, "aggelos" primarily refers to a supernatural being sent by God to deliver messages, execute His will, or provide guidance and protection to humans

Oga, go and rest.

Your claims have fallen apart like a house on quick sand.
grin

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 11:11pm On Feb 14, 2025

GothamCities:
So, according to you, God the Father is the One coming? He is the One coming with clouds? Is this the nonsense in your brain you're asking me to allow sink into mine? God the Father is the coming who is coming? Even when the book of Revelation ends with the words "...even so come, Lord Jesus."

So, God the Father was the One who WAS? Tell me exactly at what time God the Father ceased to exist for Him to have become the One who WAS. I pity your soul.

I pity you most because in spite of your nasty errors, you still have a very bad mouth. You obviously don't know God

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John",

Can you see the fault in your analogy? God gave Jesus the Revelation, Jesus sent an angel to deliver it to John.

Take a closer look dear. Take away your JW biases and look at this scripture with pure eyes:
Here is the passage:

Revelation 1:7-8
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.

Then, the One who is coming spoke:

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

God the Father is. God the Father never was. It was Jesus who WAS when He died on Calvary. He even said "a little while you shall see me no more."

Jesus is the One coming with clouds. He was the One who ascended with the clouds and will return in like manner according to Acts 1.

Read the screenshot evidence and see how your Trinity worshipping devotees twisted the holy scriptures of Revelation 1:1

Correct rendition:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him....."
You deceptively failed to highlight this portion.

God Yahweh owns the Revelation given to Jesus his Son.

LYING miscreants deceiving gullible folks.

grin

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 11:33pm On Feb 14, 2025

Janosky:
Read the screenshot evidence and see how your Trinity worshipping devotees twisted the holy scriptures of Revelation 1:1

Correct rendition:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him....."
You deceptively failed to highlight this portion.

God Yahweh owns the Revelation given to Jesus his Son.

LYING miscreants deceiving gullible folks.

Even in your screenshot, it is called
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

Your screenshot didn't show anything different from what I've been quoting dear.

Your deception is very clear. You deliberately left all the scriptures pointed out to post something else.

How does that change the fact that Jesus is the One who WAS and is to come?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Gabrielshow24: 2:25am On Feb 15, 2025

Janosky:
Jesus the Word is the Commander of Yahweh's Army, (Joshua 5:13-14. Revelation 19:13-14 ), the promised seed of Genesis 3:15 Archangel Michael defeated the serpent Satan the devil, Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8.
Biblical fact confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.

E choke.

Is Yahweh a messenger/angel?

Psalms 103:20, a being "performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice" is what?

Who's voice did Jesus obey at Psalms 110:1 in heaven in agreement with Psalms 103:20?
Oga, You don't want your Bible to reach your heart because of the man made invention of Nicene.

According to Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1,Did Jesus belong to the set of supernatural beings performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice?
Oga, use your brain nau.

We will keep going back and forth if boundaries are not made.

Using new testament "aggelos" then Jesus will fit the generic term in the same vein you and I will fit into the term " human"

You have in no wise answered my question on identity!

Just rigmaroling about.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Gabrielshow24: 2:30am On Feb 15, 2025

Janosky:
You are desperate to make your personal assumptions supercede the holy scriptures.

Oga,Please reframe your statement thus:
"Man made wisdom seems to suggest that there is a set of supernatural beings in heaven - the ones properly and universally termed angels. "

Did Psalms 103:20 specify a definite set of supernatural beings at Psalms 103:20?

Your fellow Trinitarians Biblehub says no !!

Source: Biblehub Greek lexicon entry on aggelos
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H4397 (מַלְאָךְ, mal'ak): Often translated as "angel" or "messenger," used in the Old Testament to describe both divine and human messengers.

Usage: In the New Testament, "aggelos" primarily refers to a supernatural being sent by God to deliver messages, execute His will, or provide guidance and protection to humans

Oga, go and rest.

Your claims have fallen apart like a house on quick sand.

Contrary to your write-up, everything after its own kind.

Hence from the get go, if proper distinction is not made, you and I will be no different.

We are both anthropomorphic, but we are indeed different in terms of identity.

Your entire bases as been on the generic usage of the word messenger although you are becoming to allude to its new testament usage as "supernatural messenger".

Even that won't solve your problem.
Even a foul spirit from heaven went into the mouths of prophets in the very bible giving them false prophecies.

Now you see that the term supernatural messenger doesn't cut it only.

I could also argue that Satan is some messenger of some sort, although messenger of himself!

You have not answered me either on this question:

"Are you an alien?"

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Gabrielshow24: 2:34am On Feb 15, 2025

Janosky:
Before Satan's fall,he was obedient in heaven just as
Jesus too.
But Jesus was always forever obedient..

I have answered your question.
According to your own Bible Psalms 103:20 & Psalms 110:1-2, is Jesus in the set of supernatural beings performing Yahweh's word and obeying Yahweh's voice?
Yes, definitely!

Psalms 103:20 & Psalm 110:1-2, did Jesus obey Yahweh's voice "sit at my right hand?".
Jesus performed that command of Yahweh !
Oga, you choose to deceive yourself by leaving out Jesus from Psalm 110:1-2 & Psalms 103:20.

Please stick to the scriptures
Yahweh's word proceeds from his mouth,@ Isaiah 55:8-11 & Psalms 103:20.
Isaiah 55:8-11, Yahweh's word is obeyed & performed by Yahweh's angels (Jesus,seraphs and cherubs etc).
"The Word" Jesus is a spirit being obeying and performing Yahweh's word, @Psalms 110:1-2 & on earth @John 14:24.

Yes, other beings are his fellows, companions, Hebrew 1:9.
Every being in your house are your companions.
But your position in your house is the difference.
Likewise heavenly realm, Jesus inherited a name (glory &honor) superior to his fellows, companions.

Oga, REMOVE Psalms 103:20 & Psalm 110:1-2 from your Bible so you can have peace to enjoy your delusion

Jesus is 2nd Lord @ Psalms 110:1-2 performing Yahweh's command.
Jesus is an angel @ Psalm 103:20 obeying Yahweh's voice.
Your Trinity worshipping devotees have written extensive commentaries on Joshua 5:13-14.
Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.

So I am to hold commentaries as absolute statements😅!

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:52am On Feb 15, 2025

sonmvayina:
No...man. God spirit is pure.

But you said man Is God's spirit. Can't you see that you are confused?

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Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Judybash93(m): 12:03pm On Feb 15, 2025

If Jesus were to be alive today, DNA would prove who his father was. Mary most probably went to receive the holy cane from someone else and now we have a religion... Dululu reloaded

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 2:28pm On Feb 15, 2025

Truthseeker10:
But you said man Is God's spirit. Can't you see that you are confused?

But that is what it is...see Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalm 104:29-31

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:27am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
But that is what it is...see Ecclesiastics 12:7 and Psalm 104:29-31

Point out from those verse where it says that man is God's spirit.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 8:52am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
Point out from those verse where it says that man is God's spirit.

Ecclesiastics 12;7

7And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God, Who gave it.

The constituents of man. At death. They go back where they came from. God's spirit back to him and the body back to the earth....(Default state)

Psalm 104:29-30
29You hide Your countenance and they are frightened; You gather in their spirit and they perish and return to their dust.

30You will send forth Your spirit and they will be created, and You will renew the surface of the ground.

31The glory of the Lord will be forever; the Lord will rejoice with His works.

See verse 30. God sends his spirit and man is created and they replenish the earth, he takes it and the die and return back to dust.

See also Genesis 6.:3

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Same idea, Man is God's spirit+ body from the earth.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:52am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
Ecclesiastics 12;7

7And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God, Who gave it.

The constituents of man. At death. They go back where they came from. God's spirit back to him and the body back to the earth....(Default state)

Psalm 104:29-30
29You hide Your countenance and they are frightened; You gather in their spirit and they perish and return to their dust.

30You will send forth Your spirit and they will be created, and You will renew the surface of the ground.

31The glory of the Lord will be forever; the Lord will rejoice with His works.

See verse 30. God sends his spirit and man is created and they replenish the earth, he takes it and the die and return back to dust.

See also Genesis 6.:3

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Same idea, Man is God's spirit+ body from the earth.

So where does the bolded say that man is God's spirit?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 8:54am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
So where does the bolded say that man is God's spirit?

Are you blind or you can't comprehend ? Which one?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 8:56am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
Are you blind or you can't comprehend ? Which one?

Oga show me na? The verse you bolded say God created things with his spirit. Show me where it says that man is God's spirit.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 9:01am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
Oga show me na? The verse you bolded say God created things with his spirit. Show me where it says that man is God's spirit.

"Send forth your spirit ( whose spirit?) and they are created and replenish the earth. Take it and they die and return to dust...

I don't want to believe you are dull.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 9:06am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
"Send forth your spirit ( whose spirit?) and they are created and replenish the earth. Take it and they die and return to dust...

I don't want to believe you are dull.

So when does God sending forth is spirit to create things mean that man is God's spirit, are you saying that man is what God used to create things?

In Genesis 3:19, did God say that man is his spirit? Yes or no?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 9:12am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
So when does God sending forth is spirit to create things mean that man is God's spirit, are you saying that man is what God used to create things?

In Genesis 3:19, did God say that man is his spirit? Yes or no?

See Genesis 6 vs 3 for proper understanding.
Man is both flesh and God's spirit.
At death they return to where they came from. It is not difficult to understand...why are you behaving like a toddler?
Iin Genesis 3:19, God was addressing man's ego. That is the flesh. Because that is what is going to be his undoing.

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 9:16am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
See Genesis 6 vs 3 for proper understanding.
Man is both flesh and God's spirit.
At death they return to where they came from. It is not difficult to understand...why are you behaving like a toddler?
Iin Genesis 3:19, God was addressing man's ego. That is the flesh. Because that is what is going to be his undoing.

If you say that man is God's spirit, was it man that God sent forth to create things?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 10:44am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
If you say that man is God's spirit, was it man that God sent forth to create things?

Nooo

You are missing it.
Man is God's spirit+ dust of the earth.

It is God's spirit that is experiencing life as man.
The spirit can also live independently in the spiritual realm.
We are all God's spirit experiencing human life in multiple ways.
One spirit, different manifestation.
It is God that created man. The spirit existed before the creation of man.....as spirit

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by Truthseeker10: 10:45am On Feb 16, 2025

sonmvayina:
Nooo

You are missing it.
Man is God's spirit+ dust of the earth.

It is God's spirit that is experiencing life as man.
The spirit can also live independently in the spiritual realm.
We are all God's spirit experiencing human life in multiple ways.
One spirit, different manifestation.
It is God that created man. The spirit existed before the creation of man.....as spirit

Why are you confused na. Are you denying that you said that man is God's spirit?
If man is God's spirit, is it not man that God sent to create things?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 10:48am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
If you say that man is God's spirit, was it man that God sent forth to create things?

It was only God that existed in the beginning before creation. After creating heaven and earth...and everything in it. He now moulded the statue of a man from the dust of the earth and then sent his spirit inside the statue and it came to life..(became conscious).
What did I miss?

Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by sonmvayina(m): 10:49am On Feb 16, 2025

Truthseeker10:
Why are you confused na. Are you denying that you said that man is God's spirit?
If man is God's spirit, is it not man that God sent to create things?

See my last post..

You don't have sense at all...

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