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Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see and read that Jesus was at the beginning?

You obviously have not read Proverbs 8.

And of course it would distress you to know that it was Jesus Who Spoke with Moses on the mountain.

You are talking Christophany.. I'm talking his death on the cross and his blood . Read my comment as a full argument not out of context

gohf:
if that is what you also believe why then did you not simply state it when I asked earlier?

What other truth do you have?

Dtruthspeaker:
He does not believe that does not live according to his belief.” Sigmund Freud

No one can say he believes in God yet he does not flee from sin.

Thus, belief in God means fleeing from sin (which is even far better than abstaining from sin)0

And faith and believe are the same. People have still not come to see that believe is be- Live the short of Begin to Live.

That's not what your original story conveys

Truthseeker10:
What other truth do you have?

is there any other truth?

John.14.6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

John.8.31,32, 36
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.

gohf:
is there any other truth?

John.14.6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

John.8.31,32, 36
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.

Ok...thank you.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂na wa oo....Is the place called sleeping and Hades/sheol the same place?

Better. I won't ever indulge you in your endless stupid questions season for you are not here to learn but to query. And when you run out reasonable queries, you enter into stupid questions.

You are obviously Michael234 or something like that. Same question ad infinitum into stupidity.

That aside, you have a dictionary and they have defined that Hades is the place of Punishment of the dead.

Sheol is place of the dead.

And before you ask the stupid question, remember that as you are alive, you are in a place of abode yet you also have the place of punishment called prison where people alive like you are punished. So you ought to understand what the dictionary has said. But as usual I expect you to act stupidly as you pretend not to understand.

SonofElElyonRet:
That's not what your original story conveys

You were the one who moved post and brought in "believing God without abstaining from sin.

My original answer is "righteousness is Holiness".

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

Everyone had Him to reach.

His dying on the cross was the 3rd attempt God took to save us.

What was the 1st and 2nd attempt?

Dtruthspeaker:
Better. I won't ever indulge you in your endless stupid questions season for you are not here to learn but to query. And when you run out reasonable queries, you enter into stupid questions.

You are obviously Michael234 or something like that. Same question ad infinitum into stupidity.

That aside, you have a dictionary and they have defined that Hades is the place of Punishment of the dead.

Sheol is place of the dead.

And before you ask the stupid question, remember that as you are alive, you are in a place of abode yet you also have the place of punishment called prison where people alive like you are punished. So you ought to understand what the dictionary has said. But as usual I expect you to act stupidly as you pretend not to understand.

Does your dictionary say that sleeping is a place?
Is the place called sleeping the same place as sheol?

Does Ecclesiastics 9:10 in the translation below say that hades is a place of punishment?

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Whatsoever thine hand shall find to do, do with all thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Hades wither thou goest.

Amplified Bible
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going.

SonofElElyonRet:
You are talking Christophany.. I'm talking his death on the cross and his blood . Read my comment as a full argument not out of context

I don't know what Christophany is (until now) but I did point out to you that
Jesus was at the beginning and that Proverbs 8 shows Him. And that it would distress you to know that it was He Who Spoke with Moses on the mountain.

And all these are definitely not Christophany.

AI Overview
A Christophany is a manifestation or appearance of Jesus Christ, especially after his resurrection

Dtruthspeaker:
You were the one who moved post and brought in "believing God without abstaining from sin.

My original answer is "righteousness is Holiness".

I meant your very first post (original story)

Dtruthspeaker:
I don't know what Christophany is (until now) but I did point out to you that
Jesus was at the beginning and that Proverbs 8 shows Him. And that it would distress you to know that it was He Who Spoke with Moses on the mountain.

And all these are definitely not Christophany.

You don't know what Christophany means. it's the appearances of Christ in the Old Testament
AI is incorrect. Christophany definitely includes pre incarnation appearances

SonofElElyonRet:
I meant your very first post (original story)

I do not see the post you are referring to for my first post was to counter Duffman and the Abia guy

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not see the post you are referring to for my first post was to counter Duffman and the Abia guy

Oh.. thought you posted the original story. We are on the same page then

SonofElElyonRet:
You don't know what Christophany means. it's the appearances of Christ in the Old Testament
AI is incorrect. Christophany definitely includes pre incarnation appearances

What do you mean by pre incarnation? Do you mean appearances before Mathew?

Just saw another one called "Theophany".

SonofElElyonRet:
Oh.. thought you posted the original story. We are on the same page then

Ok.

Dtruthspeaker:
What do you mean by pre incarnation? Do you mean appearances before Mathew?

Just saw another one called "Theophany".

Theophany Is God the Father's bodily appearances. He appeared to Abraham and Sarah in the company of the 2 angels that later went to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah..
Christophany is the appearances of Christ bodily essentially in the Old Testament. But I guess it also covers post resurrection appearances

Dtruthspeaker:
This one is even too much. The simple ones like do not lie, steal, envy your neighbour and do not fornicate or do adultery, you can see people have said they won't obey

Without driving and traffic rules, we all have ways we prefer to drive but we decided to follow those rules. Does that make it easy..no

Ruke1989:
Righteousness comes by obedience. The obedience of Abraham to the call of God to forsake his tribe, family in Iran or tehran and move to an undecided location of promise and the obedience to sacrifice his son as soon as God ordered - these two acts of absolute obedience is what God counted for righteousness for Abraham. People don't understand that faith is obedience - faith is not verbal confessions or mere acknowledgement of the concept of God. Merely acknowledging Gods word, existence or praising him without obeying him, worshipping, tithing, singing and doing sacrifices for God doesn't count for righteousness. Bible says obedience is better than sacrifice. Preaching, praying, signing, tithe payment are all sacrifices and must not be replaced by unquestioned obedience to the command of God that that we must be holy - for he is holy

It is because of Abraham's weaknesses which include telling half truth about his wife being a biological sister, impregnating his house girl,vetc, that God later reintroduced himself to Abraham and cautioned him with the follow words, "walk before me and be thou perfect"

Being obedient and always striving towards righteousness is a key factor that God looks out in those he justifies. He doesn't justify those who relax, continue to sin, and argue around that no man is perfect. After all, bible says, job and Zechariah and Elizabeth were perfect, upright, walking in all the commandments of God blameless. Memorize the commandments of God and do your best to be blameless in all if you want God's justification like he did for John, Zechariah, etc despite them being humans tio

I thank God for speaking this Truth.

Wow so we still got real christians in this session of Nairaland.

Please continue practicing the Word of God and your labour of love for God will be rewarded in this world and that which is to come.

I almost moved with tears hearing this from a nairalander. Truth is rare & bitter on this forum.

Obedience to God & His Word is the master key

Truthseeker10:
Does your dictionary say that sleeping is a place?
Is the place called sleeping the same place as sheol?

Does Ecclesiastics 9:10 in the translation below say that hades is a place of punishment?

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Whatsoever thine hand shall find to do, do with all thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Hades wither thou goest.

Amplified Bible
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going.

At least you avoided asking a stupid question.

However, you now asked additional questions that depart from the post. So I will only address the question on point which is "Does your dictionary say that sleeping is a place?
Is the place called sleeping the same place as sheol?"

And this where I ask you why do you let stupidity play with your head?

Does common sense not let you see that going by the bible examples I gave and what we have all seen that sleeping is what we call death Just like what this policeman looks like?
https://www.nairaland.com/8322940/police-officer-found-dead-abuja#133810612.

Common sense already tells you that we say a person has died because his spirit/soul has gone away and left what we call body behind.

And it is that body we put in bury in the ground and that ground is called grave/cemetery or even Sheol.

But clearly Sheol has a wider meaning beyond the meaning of grave and cemetery where the physical bodies of those whom we call dead are buried.

Therefore, Sheol also includes the place where the dead have gone to, even though their physical bodies are still lying on the bed like this policeman.

Truthseeker10:
Does Ecclesiastics 9:10 in the translation below say that hades is a place of punishment?

Brenton Septuagint Translation

That is why you should not use devil's bible
Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV said the grave and not hades.


Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

phemmyfour:
Without driving and traffic rules, we all have ways we prefer to drive but we decided to follow those rules. Does that make it easy..no

Even without anyone telling you the rules did you not already know to drive carefully?

And was that not already easy?

Btruth:
Faith equals righteousness with God

Sun, 16 Feb 2025

‘Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”’ Galatians 3:6

Some might think of Abraham as having a halo around his head. Hardly. Not once, but twice he throws his wife under the bus. As they travelled through Egypt, Abram says to Sarai, ‘You’re a beautiful woman; I’m afraid the Egyptians will want to kill me so someone can have you for a wife, so let’s tell them you’re my sister’ (see Genesis 12:11-13). Pharaoh does take Sarai into his harem and gives Abram, her ‘brother’, a bunch of sheep, cattle, donkeys, servants, and camels. Rather than feeling guilty and coming clean, Abram simply says, ‘Thank you very much.’

And if you think that’s bad, when Abraham and Sarah (previously known as Sarai—see Genesis 17:15) are in the Negev later on, recorded in Genesis 20, he does the whole ‘she’s my sister’ routine a second time. Why doesn’t God just give up on him? Because Abraham doesn’t give up on God! Abraham eventually reached the place in his walk with God where his biography reads: ‘Who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform’ (Romans 4:18-21 NKJV). Note the words ‘strengthened in faith’. God’s plan is not to discard you, but to develop your faith and use you to bring glory to His name.

Please, were you at the Convergence yesterday?

SonofElElyonRet:
Theophany Is God the Father's bodily appearances. He appeared to Abraham and Sarah in the company of the 2 angels that later went to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah..
Christophany is the appearances of Christ bodily essentially in the Old Testament. But I guess it also covers post resurrection appearances

Ok

But, they are wrong on Theophany.

Those apparitions to Abraham, Sarah and the Sodom and Gomorrah event are actually Jesus Christ!

People are not paying attention that it is Written that Jesus, is The LORD/Lord.

There are no 2 "The Lord"

We have only ONE LORD!

1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Dtruthspeaker:
At least you avoided asking a stupid question.

However, you now asked additional questions that depart from the post. So I will only address the question on point which is "Does your dictionary say that sleeping is a place?
Is the place called sleeping the same place as sheol?"

And this where I ask you why do you let stupidity play with your head?

Does common sense not let you see that going by the bible examples I gave and what we have all seen that sleeping is what we call death Just like what this policeman looks like?
https://www.nairaland.com/8322940/police-officer-found-dead-abuja#133810612.

Common sense already tells you that we say a person has died because his spirit/soul has gone away and left what we call body behind.

And it is that body we put in bury in the ground and that ground is called grave/cemetery or even Sheol.

But clearly Sheol has a wider meaning beyond the meaning of grave and cemetery where the physical bodies of those whom we call dead are buried.

Therefore, Sheol also includes the place where the dead have gone to, even though their physical bodies are still lying on the bed like this policeman.

is spirit and soul the same?
In Ecclesiastics 9:10. Does any activity occur in sheol?

That is why you should not use devil's bible
Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV said the grave and not hades.


Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

What is the Hebrew word that is translated as grave in the kjv version?

Jokerman:
What was the 1st and 2nd attempt?

1st one is Genesis 4:26.

And the 2nd attempt is Abraham through Moses and The Law!

And before you hala and wail, look at the line of Salvation from Christ backwards, on whom does it end with? Luke 3:38 answers.

This clearly shows you how long God has been trying to save mankind, but as usual, they reject it and even spoil it.

gohf:
but Ruke is right obedience isnt easy without faith. Isn't it faith that makes one willing to obey?

And like he wrote, obedience is the evidence of one's faith, like James wrote in the new testament.

He removed faith completely. He said righteousness is easy

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see that everybody dealt with Jesus?
Did you not read that no one was created without Him?

No one gets to God without going through Jesus. That is why He Said He was The Way!

Maybe help us answer the question o :

Since no one get to God without Jesus , those that came Before Jesus was born, how will they saved , or they will enter hellfire right ?

Truthseeker10:
is spirit and soul the same?

Yes. The spirit of man is called soul.

Truthseeker10:
In Ecclesiastics 9:10. Does any activity occur in sheol?

Do you see the dead policemen working and devising how to forc someone's wife and daughter?

Truthseeker10:
What is the Hebrew word that is translated as grave in the kjv version?

Don't know, don't care. Right now KJV said "grave" and that is sounds very right, clear and understandable.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not read that He have up Himself to be murdered?
Which clearly means that no one could touch Him save He allowed them?

🤣 your acclaimed god that pray for help Ahaa . Dey play oo

doffman:
Maybe help us answer the question o :

Since no one get to God without Jesus , those that came Before Jesus was born, how will they saved , or they will enter hellfire right ?

Did you not see that Jesus went to Cain but Cain did not listen unlike Seth, Enoch and Noah and Abraham and King Abimelech etc?

Everyone met Jesus.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not see that Jesus went to Cain but Cain did not listen unlike Seth, Enoch and Noah and Abraham and King Abimelech etc?

Everyone met Jesus.

🤣🤣

You did not answer question . I know , you can never answer it . Maybe bring another person to help you .

Must God collect blood before he can give salvation .

Why not God kill the Satan directly without asking for blood for salvation !

Dey play oo

doffman:
🤣 your acclaimed god that pray for help Ahaa . Dey play oo

Now you are playing your stupidity for that is the meaning of

He walked where I walked
He stood where I stand
He felt what I feel
He understands

He knows my frailty
Shared my humanity
Tempted in every way
Yet without sin

God with us!
So close to us
God with us
Emmanuel

And besides you are foolish to not see that this was also a very Big Trap to permanently and foreverly seal the destruction of people like you. NOW NOTHING AND NO ONE SHALL EVER EVER SAVE YOU FROM EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT