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Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂.....baba don run

When God's word makes things clear yet someone wants to argue because of his credulous preconceived opinion what do you expect?

From what we read at Genesis 18:20-21 it's clear that God is not everywhere so if they like let them twist the matter using different grammar what God said in that verse is self explanatory!

Gabrielshow24:
From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence.

I can for a fact say Dior is in 80% of the world,🤔 its logical antecedent is self explanatory.

Kindly provide a verse that supports the statement in bold.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly provide a verse that supports the statement in bold.

Before I provide any verse let me know your standpoint!

What do you think of God?
Perhaps he is not everywhere? 🤨

Provide a response then I will use both logic and scripture to show the omnipresence of God!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Before I provide any verse let me know your standpoint!

What do you think of God?
Perhaps he is not everywhere? 🤨

Explain 1 kings 8:27, 30.

Gabrielshow24:
Before I provide any verse let me know your standpoint!

What do you think of God?
Perhaps he is not everywhere? 🤨

Now i remember!

You don't know what the Bible teaches on topics so it's not just that you don't have a church but you don't even know what Bible verse to apply during Bible discussion you just want to argue blindly!

MaxInDHouse:
Now i remember!

You don't know what the Bible teaches on topics so it's not just that you don't have a church but you don't even know what Bible verse to apply during Bible discussion you just want to argue blindly!

🤣🤣🤣🤣
Michael the conqueror 😂.

Are you quoting me out of spite🥲?
Awwwwn, that's so sad.

You want a candy🙃.

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 kings 8:27, 30.

Are you not a hypocrite 😂😂😂?

If God can fit into Jesus why then not a temple? 😂😂😂😂


Space is a concept.
Even quantum laws seems to suggest that there is no such thing as space because of quantum entanglement 🤔.

Don't tell me you are a JW😂
That'll be rather sad🤤

Gabrielshow24:
Are you not a hypocrite 😂😂😂?

If God can fit into Jesus why then not a temple? 😂😂😂😂


Space is a concept.
Even quantum laws seems to suggest that there is no such thing as space because of quantum entanglement 🤔.

Don't tell me you are a JW😂
That'll be rather sad🤤

So Solomon the hypocrite was saying trash in 1 kings 8:27, 30?

Truthseeker10:
So Solomon the hypocrite was saying trash in 1 kings 8:27, 30?

Does it matter what newton said?

Present modern science have now created a boundary at which all what newton said is factually true anything below this boundary it becomes wrong.

By the way is Solomon God?
If Jesus the fullness of God which pales in height to the temple can walk as God in flesh then you have no justification for saying otherwise.

Then the problem is in your own perception of God!!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Does it matter what newton said?

Present modern science have now created a boundary at which all what newton said is factually true anything below this boundary it becomes wrong.

By the way is Solomon God?
If Jesus the fullness of God which pales in height to the temple can walk as God in flesh then you have no justification for saying otherwise.

Then the problem is in your own perception of God!!!!

Explain 1 kings 19:11, 12.

Do you agree with the diagram in the screenshot below?

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 kings 19:11, 12.

Do you agree with the diagram in the screenshot below?

I don't have to explain what I have already given an answer to.

If you still don't get it, then the fault is with you, as you are just projecting your perceptions of God.

In terms of identity, the picture is TRUE.

Gabrielshow24:
I don't have to explain what I have already given an answer to.

If you still don't get it, then the fault is with you, as you are just projecting your perceptions of God.

You've not explained 1 kings 19:11, 12. Why was God not in the earthquake, wind and fire?

In terms of identity, the picture is TRUE.

In what terms is the picture not true?

Also you so conveniently left out "in the presence of God" 🤔

Truthseeker10:
You've not explained 1 kings 19:11, 12. Why was God not in the earthquake, wind and fire?


In what terms is the picture not true?

I said the picture is true!!!

You are just buttressing my own point!!!
By substance God is everywhere but by presence he is not necessarily everywhere!!!

Gabrielshow24:
I said the picture is true!!!

So explain John 1:18.
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The picture clearly shows that GOD is father, son and holy spirit simultaneously. So why would John 1:18 say that no one has seen God at any time when people actually saw Jesus?

You are just buttressing my own point!!!
By substance God is everywhere but by presence he is not necessarily everywhere!!!

So are the saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

What's the difference between substance and presence according to the Bible?

Truthseeker10:
So explain John 1:18.
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The picture clearly shows that GOD is father, son and holy spirit simultaneously. So why would John 1:18 say that no one has seen God at any time when people actually saw Jesus?


So are the saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

What's the difference between substance and presence according to the Bible?

That's not what the picture claim🙄.

If you had seen "not the " then that has shown evidence contrary to your statement.
Also the verse in John alludes to the fact that only the son has seen the immaterial image of God.

Everyone that saw, saw as a shadow of what is not what he really is.

We can't perceive him save based on forms or objects or subject to some laws.

Hence that's why Jesus is the physical image of God and he himself confirms that!!!

Psalm 139:7 gives an allusion to the omnipresence of God!!!

Gabrielshow24:
That's not what the picture claim🙄.

If you had seen "not the " then that has shown evidence contrary to your statement.
Also the verse in John alludes to the fact that only the son has seen the immaterial image of God.

Everyone that saw, saw as a shadow of what is not what he really is.

We can't perceive him save based on forms or objects or subject to some laws.

Hence that's why Jesus is the physical image of God and he himself confirms that!!!

Does the picture say that 'GOD' is 'Father', 'son' and 'holy spirit'? Yes or no?

John 1:18 simply states that no man has seen God at any time. It does not say no one has seen the immaterial image of God. If Jesus is God and people saw him, did they not see God whether materially or not?

Psalm 139:7 gives an allusion to the omnipresence of God!!!

You claimed that "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".
So please is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?
In 1 kings 19:11, 12, are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

Truthseeker10:
Does the picture say that 'GOD' is 'Father', 'son' and 'holy spirit'? Yes or no?

John 1:18 simply states that no man has seen God at any time. It does not say no one has seen the immaterial image of God. If Jesus is God and people saw him, did they not see God whether materially or not?



You claimed that "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".
So please is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?
In 1 kings 19:11, 12, are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

John was making reference to the Father!

Infact seeing Jesus, you have indeed seen the Father.

His aim was to show that it was the son that revealed God to man!!!

Also as regards God is father, son and spirit that is a flip view of seeing the image.

It's rather seen as God the Father is not the son, nor the spirit although God, viz a viz the rest!

Omni substance that's new🤔.
It's rather because of the spirit of God that fills creation, that exists in creation - more of an attribution to the life force or energy dispelling force within creation!

Gabrielshow24:
John was making reference to the Father!

Infact seeing Jesus, you have indeed seen the Father.

His aim was to show that it was the son that revealed God to man!!!

Also as regards God is father, son and spirit that is a flip view of seeing the image.

It's rather seen as God the Father is not the son, nor the spirit although God, viz a viz the rest!

So are you saying that The word "God" in John 1:18 is against the picture representation of God is Father son and holy spirit?

Does the picture say "God the father" or "God is father, son and holy spirit"?

Omni substance that's new🤔.
It's rather because of the spirit of God that fills creation, that exists in creation - more of an attribution to the life force or energy dispelling force within creation!

So is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?

In 1 kings 19:11, 12, are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that The word "God" in John 1:18 is against the picture representation of God is Father son and holy spirit?

Does the picture say "God the father" or "God is father, son and holy spirit"?


So is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?

In 1 kings 19:11, 12, are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

It's not against, it just shows the fullness of sight or rather medium of sight.

one sees God through a lense while One sees God unfiltered!!!

That's a straw God fallacy because the Nicene creed addresses this issue.

The concept of "God" is owned and expressed by three persons under the influence of unity for a particular purpose!

Not God is father, son and spirit !!!! that's a sheepish way of interpreting that and that's why I said earlier; it was a flip side view of the image!!!

Substance is what the attributes of God are built on, it could be physical and spiritual and it is not necessarily physical!!!

Why yet you can't argue against the fact that fields exist around objects while yet not visible it's also imperative that the substance of God can take on any form and it's not limited to anything.

Also you must remember that God is the uncaused cause!!!

And to answer your question God is omnipresent!!!!

Gabrielshow24:
It's not against, it just shows the fullness of sight or rather medium of sight.

one sees God through a lense while One sees God unfiltered!!!

That's a straw God fallacy because the Nicene creed addresses this issue.

The concept of "God" is owned and expressed by three persons under the influence of unity for a particular purpose!

Not God is father, son and spirit !!!! that's a sheepish way of interpreting that and that's why I said earlier; it was a flip side view of the image!!!

can you kindly show me where the picture says "God the father".

Substance is what the attributes of God are built on, it could be physical and spiritual and it is not necessarily physical!!!

Why yet you can't argue against the fact that fields exist around objects while yet not visible it's also imperative that the substance of God can take on any form and it's not limited to anything.

Also you must remember that God is the uncaused cause!!!

And to answer your question God is omnipresent!!!!

So explain 1 kings 19:11, 12 in relation to the statement in bold.

If God is Omnipresent, explain this statement: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Truthseeker10:
can you kindly show me where the picture says "God the father".


So explain 1 kings 19:11, 12 in relation to the statement in bold.

If God is Omnipresent, explain this statement: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

The Father is God 🤔
The Father is not the son!
The Father is not the HS!
...
etc👀

What aspects of that don't you understand?
The substance of God is immaterial!!!

You are just trying to fit any object into a square hole🤦

Is energy everywhere? 🤔, yes it is!!!

Even though you can't see it, it's there!
Even in seemingly empty space it's there!!

But yet from science we know that energy can be converted to matter.

If you can't prove that wrong then I beg to differ about your opinion!!!!

Once again you are projecting!!!
Your perception of God is flawed!

Gabrielshow24:
The Father is God 🤔
The Father is not the son!
The Father is not the HS!
...
etc👀

So where did you see "God the father" in the picture?

What aspects of that don't you understand?
The substance of God is immaterial!!!

You are just trying to fit any object into a square hole🤦

😂😂baba never tire oo.
If the substance of God is immaterial, explain this statement: "Substance is what the attributes of God are built on, it could be physical and spiritual and it is not necessarily physical!!!".

Are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire is not God as substance? How come he was not in those elements?

If God is omnipresent, explain this statement: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Truthseeker10:
So where did you see "God the father" in the picture?


😂😂baba never tire oo.
If the substance of God is immaterial, explain this statement: "Substance is what the attributes of God are built on, it could be physical and spiritual and it is not necessarily physical!!!".

Are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire is not God as substance? How come he was not in those elements?

If God is omnipresent, explain this statement: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Emphasis on " it could be" - it also accounts for the case of Jesus!!!

Also The Father is also referred to as God The Father!!!!

If you can't see this then I can't waste my time arguing with you!!!

When you are tired using the Socrates mode of inquiry then we will have a good discourse until then God bless, bye!

Gabrielshow24:
Emphasis on " it could be" - it also accounts for the case of Jesus!!!

Also The Father is also referred to as God The Father!!!!

Where does the statement God the father appear in the picture?

If you can't see this then I can't waste my time arguing with you!!!

When you are tired using the Socrates mode of inquiry then we will have a good discourse until then God bless, bye!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 come oo...never run ooo

If the substance of God is immaterial, explain this statement by you: "Substance is what the attributes of God are built on, it could be physical and spiritual and it is not necessarily physical!!!".
Are you saying that the earthquake wind and fire in 1 kings 19:11, 12 is not God as substance? How come he was not in those elements?

If God is omnipresent, explain this statement by you: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Gabrielshow24:
The Father is God 🤔
The Father is not the son!
The Father is not the HS!
...
etc👀

What aspects of that don't you understand?
The substance of God is immaterial!!!

You are just trying to fit any object into a square hole🤦

You have to first define God. And if your definition is honest and accurate you'd realise that the Son is also God. And since there is only one God, the Son has to be part of that one God

Truthseeker10:
So explain John 1:18.
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The picture clearly shows that GOD is father, son and holy spirit simultaneously. So why would John 1:18 say that no one has seen God at any time when people actually saw Jesus?


So are the saying that the earthquake wind and fire was not God by substance? How come he was not in those elements?

What's the difference between substance and presence according to the Bible?

From your fake translation

Exodus 24:9-11 NWT
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
10 And they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was what seemed like a sapphire pavement, and it was as pure as the heavens themselves.
11 He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God; then they ate and drank


This is Your own fake translation! Always twisting the Bible to fit their doctrine
Cc: MaxInDHouse

TenQ:
Cc: MaxInDHouse

Are you ready to edit the topic?

MaxInDHouse:
Where was God before he created heaven? JWs please Help us

TenQ:
From your fake translation

Exodus 24:9-11 NWT
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
10 And they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was what seemed like a sapphire pavement, and it was as pure as the heavens themselves.
11 He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God; then they ate and drank


This is Your own fake translation! Always twisting the Bible to fit their doctrine
Cc: MaxInDHouse

So explain John 1:18 in relation to Exodus 24:9-11. Was John lying in John 1:18?

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Truthseeker10:
So explain John 1:18 in relation to Exodus 24:9-11. Was John lying in John 1:18?

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

It just means that no one has seen God beyond what God allows them to see. No man can see God in His full Glory and live.

Did God ever walked on Earth?
Did the Elders of Israel see God?
Did Jacob wrestle with God?
Did Abraham see God?

What did verse 10 of Exodus 24: say in your Bible?

Again: From your fake translation

Exodus 24:9-11 NWT
9 Then Moses and Aaron, Naʹdab and A·biʹhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up.
10 And they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was what seemed like a sapphire pavement, and it was as pure as the heavens themselves.
11 He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God; then they ate and drank


This is Your own fake translation! Always twisting the Bible to fit their doctrine